MHFC-FAN Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, neio said: I will be staggered if we don't get the 3 points. Glover is not the problem here either, he doesn't help at all I'll admit that and he probably has a few games on the sidelines but I wouldn't want to be in his shoes 10 metres in front of these dickheads back turned as flares are coming his way. We also weren't perfect with throwing flares but I don't think any were particularly close to Izzo and he also hasn't left the ground with a concussion. Both teams will have some sanctions, ours will be very minor compared to them though, but I suspect that's the last derby with fans for a while I've heard Victory could have their license taken off them. Most likely all their sponsors will pull out and the supporter outrage on Facebook is huge! There may not be much if any of a victory left after all this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka1 Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 The camera man should’ve thrown the flare that hit him back into the crowd too. Pussy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiko Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 they'll deactivate the active area and sell the seats to families, OSM are finished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 I wake up to Classic FM news and they never mention the A-League (they will mention the AFL sporadically but never miss the NRL) but this morning the lead story was the pitch invasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post belaguttman Posted December 17, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) I've slept on my thoughts. In no particular order: We looked good for 22 minutes, although a little fragile in defence, allowing the vist0rs a few chances that a decent team would have converted. O'Neill's a key player for us; it was good to see him finally score. Why do we go through the inconvenience of regular bag searches, and body 'scans', and have to watch security jump on and wrestle a 14 yr old for standing on a seat when 'security services' provide no security whatsoever when they are needed? It looks like Glover threw two flares off the pitch; the first was just over the advertising fence, the second into the first few rows of a seething mob. Whilst this may have triggered the pitch invasion, it was widely advertised before the game, was premeditated, and was NEVER going to help the cause; APL has much evidence to show why a Grand Final should not be held in Melbourne. Both sets of active support seem to attract 'derby specials' who are never there primarily for the game itself; active support groups must actively identify and exclude these people. Flares are not the issue themselves; there were flares at Fed Square; they added to the atmosphere and were barely reported on by the media, and attracted no Police attention, but throwing anything on the pitch is unacceptable APL muzzling franchise media response immediately after the match left an unhealthy media vacuum APL has handled this issue very poorly; if they had thought this through, would they have expected any different fan response and, in particular, a different response from an entitled aggressive ill-disciplined group like visit0rs active support? I feel for the majority of supporters there who had their evening ruined, hundreds of frightened kids, potential lost future supporters, the players and Alex King. I hope the Channel 10 camera man is OK. A day of shame. Edited December 18, 2022 by belaguttman 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 I fucking loved active back in the day when they chanted about players. Now it just seems to attract flogs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiko Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 I was firmly against the anti hool/active policies of the past and the hidden security but now I think the active areas have disrespected the game, actually violated it so much that I don't care if they knuckle down and police the crap out of it. All those anti corporate protestors too can wake up, the game has no money, the owners are bleeding not you, they have a right to recoup, the also have a massive obligation to listen to their fans and they stumble badly there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStig Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 10 hours ago, rass said: Reading a lot of stuff online, it truly amazes me how people are blaming Glover for starting this. How many people went to Fed Square for the Aus v Arg game? It was full of young dickheads lighting flare after flare and then just throwing them into the crowd. But that's ok right? Wouldn't be a stretch to suggest most of those people were also part of the mob who stormed the pitch tonight. Also, where did all those hoons get those white sticks they were throwing on the ground when they finally got kicked out? They just happened to have them in their hands did they? Glover put them there did he? Yeah it was dumb throwing the flare back, but those fukheads were obviously going to do it anyway. What a sad, feral society we have become. Ask yourself this question. If Glover has quietly picked up the flare and put it in the bucket would there have been a riot? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, kiko said: I was firmly against the anti hool/active policies of the past and the hidden security but now I think the active areas have disrespected the game, actually violated it so much that I don't care if they knuckle down and police the crap out of it. All those anti corporate protestors too can wake up, the game has no money, the owners are bleeding not you, they have a right to recoup, the also have a massive obligation to listen to their fans and they stumble badly there. The game has no money? This report, issued just one week before the announcement of the sale of the Grand Final, doesn't have a hint of a shadow hanging over finances: https://keepup.com.au/news/apl-releases-its-inaugural-two-year-report-here-comes-the-future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, TheStig said: Ask yourself this question. If Glover has quietly picked up the flare and put it in the bucket would there have been a riot? For sure. If not last night, then another night. Was it dumb from Glover? Absolutely. But thinking he caused it is probably the most naive thing I've ever heard. ... And I've come to the realisation that as disgusting as the decision was from the APL, it wasn't the reason for last night either. They could have made such a powerful statement together if they wanted to. But they went for violence instead. They're triggers, not the cause. Look at the scenes from last night. Thugs wearing masks grabbing pieces from the advertising boards as they're invading the pitch. So ask yourself this, would you go to a game hiding behind a ski mask if your intention was to make a peaceful walk out protest? This has been brewing for years and years. Only a few months ago that same group went to a local npl match to cause trouble.. and found it. Pigs looking for trouble, just waiting for a spark to start it. ..and then jumping online to play the victim? Well that's just as cowardly as hiding behind masks. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, TheStig said: Ask yourself this question. If Glover has quietly picked up the flare and put it in the bucket would there have been a riot? I think Glover has to be sanctioned. But really, I don't think anyone - APL, AAMI Park, Security, City or Victory - got themselves properly prepared for this match. Melbourne was going to be the flashpoint and no-one did enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiko Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 Thanks JW a very interesting report, but club owners are bleeding money, always have, the Western United doco revealed they were losing $4.5m a year. My position is this: give fans an opportunity to buy into the club model, maybe make it a 50 +1 ownership model as in Bundesliga, but who amongst us is going to fork out cash knowing it'll be gone in 3-4 years? In reality it's probably not going to work right? That's why this private ownership model is the best we have got, Heart owners only made their money back after City Group paid a nice price to buy in, and they are propping it up too, so this Silver Lake money $140m across 12 clubs, how long is it going to last and what do they intend to invest in to grow their revenues? Okay so no money is probably not accurate but when nearly every club every year is making multi million dollar losses it's not hard to see why certain decisions are made. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, kiko said: Thanks JW a very interesting report, but club owners are bleeding money, always have, the Western United doco revealed they were losing $4.5m a year. My position is this: give fans an opportunity to buy into the club model, maybe make it a 50 +1 ownership model as in Bundesliga, but who amongst us is going to fork out cash knowing it'll be gone in 3-4 years? In reality it's probably not going to work right? That's why this private ownership model is the best we have got, Heart owners only made their money back after City Group paid a nice price to buy in, and they are propping it up too, so this Silver Lake money $140m across 12 clubs, how long is it going to last and what do they intend to invest in to grow their revenues? Okay so no money is probably not accurate but when nearly every club every year is making multi million dollar losses it's not hard to see why certain decisions are made. No argument with you. The issue is transparency. Indeed, what is being done with the $140m from Silver Lake? No different from your local council, State government, Commonwealth Government etc. etc. - massive expenditures and you can't see anything, or much, from it all. APL itself? What's the management structure? How much are these guys getting paid in salaries and expenses? Where is all the money going? Did we just double up on Football Australia? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 44 minutes ago, TheStig said: Ask yourself this question. If Glover has quietly picked up the flare and put it in the bucket would there have been a riot? Exactly right. I blame glover more then the vuck fans. He should've known better then to rile up the crowd and throw the flare back at them. The vuck fans were simply defending themselves. He can enjoy the long holiday that the ffa are about to give him. I'm hearing a 7-8 week suspension for "inciting crowd violence " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post malloy Posted December 18, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 minute ago, kingofhearts said: Exactly right. I blame glover more then the vuck fans. He should've known better then to rile up the crowd and throw the flare back at them. The vuck fans were simply defending themselves. He can enjoy the long holiday that the ffa are about to give him. I'm hearing a 7-8 week suspension for "inciting crowd violence " The pitch invasion was pre-planned, numerous MVFC supporters with life bans were in attendance with their OSM pals. There was a reason why they all didn't walk out on 20 mins. If you watch the side angle of the video where Gliver throws the flare you can see some of them already starting to go over the fence and security moving in prior to the flare being thrown into the NT. Glover fucked up, n should be punished for that, but he can't be blamed for something that OSM planned to do. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, TheStig said: Ask yourself this question. If Glover has quietly picked up the flare and put it in the bucket would there have been a riot? Yes. The young men in front of me in the home end were clearly agitated and waiting to see “something”. That pitch invasion was obviously pre-planned and these blokes knew that it (or something similar) was going to happen. Edited December 18, 2022 by Shahanga 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, malloy said: The pitch invasion was pre-planned, numerous MVFC supporters with life bans were in attendance with their OSM pals. There was a reason why they all didn't walk out on 20 mins. If you watch the side angle of the video where Gliver throws the flare you can see some of them already starting to go over the fence and security moving in prior to the flare being thrown into the NT. Glover fucked up, n should be punished for that, but he can't be blamed for something that OSM planned to do. EXACTLY!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 I don't see how anyone can be "banned." It's a nonsense. No-one is asked for an Identity check and I don't see how one can be enforced without driving more and more people away from the game. I also want to see different admission gates for club members - I've asked for this for a while. It's insulting to treat people as if they are criminals with metal detectors and bag checks - we just want to watch a bloody football match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStig Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: The game has no money? This report, issued just one week before the announcement of the sale of the Grand Final, doesn't have a hint of a shadow hanging over finances: https://keepup.com.au/news/apl-releases-its-inaugural-two-year-report-here-comes-the-future And weren't Australia and the clubs due to get a huge cash windfall from their progression in the World Cup? What happened to that? 1 hour ago, kiko said: Thanks JW a very interesting report, but club owners are bleeding money, always have, the Western United doco revealed they were losing $4.5m a year. My position is this: give fans an opportunity to buy into the club model, maybe make it a 50 +1 ownership model as in Bundesliga, but who amongst us is going to fork out cash knowing it'll be gone in 3-4 years? In reality it's probably not going to work right? That's why this private ownership model is the best we have got, Heart owners only made their money back after City Group paid a nice price to buy in, and they are propping it up too, so this Silver Lake money $140m across 12 clubs, how long is it going to last and what do they intend to invest in to grow their revenues? Okay so no money is probably not accurate but when nearly every club every year is making multi million dollar losses it's not hard to see why certain decisions are made. There is an argument to say that the membership based model is the best solution for Australia. look at the AFL clubs which are membership based. It must be something peculiar to our culture. Seems to have worked ok for the Germans too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, TheStig said: Ask yourself this question. If Glover has quietly picked up the flare and put it in the bucket would there have been a riot? Yes pitch invasion was planned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiko Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 TheStig I hope it works, I just ask myself if the club asked us 9K members to fork out $500-$1000 and lock it away for 20-25 years to ensure the survival of the club how many of us would do it? I'd probably just scrape in at $500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Torn Asunder Posted December 18, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 The league needs to take a good look at the rules around active The culture of active support has gone down the wrong path, mostly evident at the Tards, WSW, but also at City and Sydney ... I think the following 3 things should be set in place for active and it would resolve a heap ... 1. No covering faces 2. No swearing in chants 3. No middle finger solutes People will deride me for this, but these 3 things bring a lot of hostility and aggression to the experience, and also attract a certain fringe element who seek anarchy and violence. To me, as a lifetime attendee of a Heart/City games, these 3 things are so dumb and immature and they just add nothing Can active still support loudly and sing passionately without these 3 things? Yes of course they can. The people that need these things as part of their outlet are not really there for the game, they're there for the aggression. And when there is an undercurrent of aggression eventually it'll boil over, like the shameful events of last night's derby 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiko Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 I think JW is right a separate gate for active which can be done pretty easily at AAMI and then a separate styled m/ship card to get into the area (photo ID on it probably) and then yes TornUnder those 3 things as well. Last night was not the end of football in this country it was possibly the end of active and to be honest to lose it and keep football is probably a sacrifice the administrators of the game will take. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 50 minutes ago, kiko said: TheStig I hope it works, I just ask myself if the club asked us 9K members to fork out $500-$1000 and lock it away for 20-25 years to ensure the survival of the club how many of us would do it? I'd probably just scrape in at $500 I think we have to go for a hybrid, and I think foreign ownership should be limited. I was an enthusiastic supporter of the takeover of Heart by CFG. At the time it was still only an 80% (or thereabouts) majority share, and the rest was still local, and also we were only the second actual playing club at the time (the other being Manchester City - New York City existed but had not yet started to play). Now we are wholly owned, just one of 12 clubs, and pretty much the bottom of that pile. It's not a good feeling for any of us. When Heart was formed there was talk of allowing members to take a share, but the talk never came to any fruition. At the time I would have gladly put up my money for a share. Return on investment doesn't have to always be money - it can bring reward in all sorts of ways. Home renovation is often not actually necessary, but the reward comes in comfort. And your life becomes more fulfilling and therefore your overall health and attitudes tend to improve. Such I believe it would have been with Heart. To be at AAMI in the Heart years was just so different from what it is today. There's a lot of anger in Australia at the moment. We see that reflected in many ways, and IMO last night was an example of that. Interesting too that @Torn Asunder rates the active supporters of the four "big city" clubs as the ones on the wrong path. Doesn't surprise me that that's where the anger shows. And it must be addressed, but I think it must be addressed not only at the fan level. I don't think that being necessarily "big" is the answer. The EPL still has relatively "small" clubs who are competitive and keep the game alive and kicking. Bournemouth (just 11,000 capacity at their home ground), Brighton, Brentford, Fulham all come to mind. TBH, what a bloody awful week for us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStig Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, jw1739 said: I think we have to go for a hybrid, and I think foreign ownership should be limited. I was an enthusiastic supporter of the takeover of Heart by CFG. At the time it was still only an 80% (or thereabouts) majority share, and the rest was still local, and also we were only the second actual playing club at the time (the other being Manchester City - New York City existed but had not yet started to play). Now we are wholly owned, just one of 12 clubs, and pretty much the bottom of that pile. It's not a good feeling for any of us. When Heart was formed there was talk of allowing members to take a share, but the talk never came to any fruition. At the time I would have gladly put up my money for a share. Return on investment doesn't have to always be money - it can bring reward in all sorts of ways. Home renovation is often not actually necessary, but the reward comes in comfort. And your life becomes more fulfilling and therefore your overall health and attitudes tend to improve. Such I believe it would have been with Heart. To be at AAMI in the Heart years was just so different from what it is today. There's a lot of anger in Australia at the moment. We see that reflected in many ways, and IMO last night was an example of that. Interesting too that @Torn Asunder rates the active supporters of the four "big city" clubs as the ones on the wrong path. Doesn't surprise me that that's where the anger shows. And it must be addressed, but I think it must be addressed not only at the fan level. I don't think that being necessarily "big" is the answer. The EPL still has relatively "small" clubs who are competitive and keep the game alive and kicking. Bournemouth (just 11,000 capacity at their home ground), Brighton, Brentford, Fulham all come to mind. TBH, what a bloody awful week for us all. Which 4 clubs? Apart from the occasional flare our active support has been reasonably well behaved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 I wonder what PK would of done if he was still on the sidelines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 3 hours ago, TheStig said: Ask yourself this question. If Glover has quietly picked up the flare and put it in the bucket would there have been a riot? Blaming Glover is like saying, "look what you've done now, you made me hit you". Nobody should have a flare thrown at them (and it was thrown at him) whilst doing their job. In retrospect, he should have been far more careful about what he did with it but the match was still in progress, he was trying to clear the field. There's also images of visit0r flogs already over the fence before he picked up the flare. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, kiko said: I think JW is right about a separate gate for active, which can be done pretty easily at AAMI and then a separate styled m/ship card to get into the area (photo ID on it probably), and then yes, TornUnder those 3 things as well. Last night was not the end of football in this country it was possibly the end of active and, to be honest to lose it and keep football is probably a sacrifice the administrators of the game will take. I can't understand how security can insist that my 60-year-old wife surrender a plastic water bottle and other people can bring in fireworks and flares with impunity. I can't understand how security can wrestle a 14-year-old to the ground for crossing the fence or standing on a seat yet not be able to keep fans and players safe. I've never felt safer in the presence of ground security, they are a factor, in general, dysregulating the crowd; maybe or maybe not last night, I wasn't there, but, as a general comment. Flares were present in Fed Square, and this almost passed without comment by MSM apart from it being included in the 'incredible atmosphere'. The overall review should be a way to channel the energy of the supporters in a creative way without a response that requires a display of toxic masculinity from a dysregulated minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 3 hours ago, rass said: ..and then jumping online to play the victim? That's also a part of the 'toxic masculinity response: entitlement realised through aggression, then playing the victim when exposed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, belaguttman said: I can't understand how security can insist that my 60-year-old wife surrender a plastic water bottle and other people can bring in fireworks and flares with impunity. I can't understand how security can wrestle a 14-year-old to the ground for crossing the fence or standing on a seat yet not be able to keep fans and players safe. I've never felt safer in the presence of ground security, they are a factor, in general, dysregulating the crowd; maybe or maybe not last night, I wasn't there, but, as a general comment. Flares were present in Fed Square, and this almost passed without comment by MSM apart from it being included in the 'incredible atmosphere'. The overall review should be a way to channel the energy of the supporters in a creative way without a response that requires a display of toxic masculinity from a dysregulated minority. Yeah. I remember my late wife having to surrender a water bottle that was deemed to exceed the allowed size. The irony being that it was City merchandise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 I've had time to reflect on last night and I still struggle to reconcile the fact that for the myriad of reasons this game in this City and country is forever doomed. I cannot see this game ever becoming "normal", "mainstream". It will be always regarded fringe. The actual incident and pitch invasion was avoidable. Seriously they had enough security and Vic Pol present to line the fence at both ends as deterrent. A Glover, FMD, to say he made a bad choice, wow, that's Seriously got to be the dumbest thing he could have done. Izzo had several flares thrown at him, especially aftet we scored. 1 even burnt a hole in the the net, and for every flare thrown at him, he calmy removed of the field to the side and it became a non issue. But Glover hurls is back. What did he think was going to happen. And then to top it off he's got these morons charging at him and he's facing them standing his ground, just dumb. The bloke that I reackon is probably completely blameless was the ref, he actually tried to protect Glover and got covered in the sand. The funniest thing watching the news reports is that a one point as he is getting escorted off he blows his whistle. Anyway I think Glover will cop some suspension but by and large I think the game itself is beyond repair. Very very sad realisation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChopperHeart Posted December 18, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Torn Asunder said: The league needs to take a good look at the rules around active The culture of active support has gone down the wrong path, mostly evident at the Tards, WSW, but also at City and Sydney ... I think the following 3 things should be set in place for active and it would resolve a heap ... 1. No covering faces 2. No swearing in chants 3. No middle finger solutes People will deride me for this, but these 3 things bring a lot of hostility and aggression to the experience, and also attract a certain fringe element who seek anarchy and violence. To me, as a lifetime attendee of a Heart/City games, these 3 things are so dumb and immature and they just add nothing Can active still support loudly and sing passionately without these 3 things? Yes of course they can. The people that need these things as part of their outlet are not really there for the game, they're there for the aggression. And when there is an undercurrent of aggression eventually it'll boil over, like the shameful events of last night's derby This is spot on. Wanna know why attendances aren’t growing? Active is a big part of the issue. I have kids now and can’t sit anywhere near the flogs in active when amateur hour, un-clever chants like “Fuck ‘em all, fuck all the rest” come out. It’s a disgrace. I love watching the support, but the male toxicity (admit it, it’s a sausage fest - minimal chicks) which have all these young blokes feeding off each other’s pack mentality, builds this environment which pushes people further and further until stuff like last night happens, which at the time seems acceptable to those participating, Victory active support does have a far darker, sinister undertone - you can see it in the older thugs, wearing black hoodies covering faces etc, look like they are a gang not football fans. but people outside football see our terrace in the same light when flares are chucked, anti establishment chants with fuck the APL come out. Even look at your city terrace Facebook posts each week, written with anger about chanting, disrespecting opposition etc etc it all builds toxic anger. protest with banners, walk out, do all these things, but honestly, active support is an asset, and a liability - and maybe it really is something that needs to be looked at - is it time to disband a bunch of hot headed blokes on the sauce, and scatter them amongst the crowd. And if this stops you following our football club, maybe you weren’t there to follow and support and be part of our football club, but rather the toxic male pack mentality side of it where you felt part of a tribe who chant abuse and stick together, but that’s about it. this isn’t at all approval for moving the GF to Sydney, that’s still a disgrace, particularly the process. And we should still show peaceful protests and simply boycott finals, First past the post are the premiers. but this is more broadly a question about who really loves football and believes it can grow with new fans when they see the way our active fans behave. I’m a heart Foundation member, I got into aleague after 2006 World Cup when I finally understood the excitement and emotion of football seeing our country do so well. I could never follow victory because I saw back then the thugs and toxic undertone of their active. But I have loved heart/city and being a part of many wins and tough times (including in the terrace years ago), but have always cringed at some of our behaviour - I think if they ban active, for the long haul, maybe they have a better chance. Right now, we go backwards. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno cpfc Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 I also was a founder member until last season my darling wifes health was starting to detererate (sorry about the spelling) also my own so we decide not to attend games. In the mean time after a derby at AMII park we were quietly walking to the station after the game when we had a flare thrown at us from somewhere below where we were walking so i tossed it back to them and was then threatened with assault . Luckily a fellow walker who was bigger than them told them to get lost, those supposed fans were Victory supporters so it must run in the blood of their fans. This disgraceful behavior at this last match has to be the last straw for Victory active, as like many others i think they were at that match purely to riot, ok so Glover did the wrong thing but the security should have dealt with it in the first instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 We are the biggest sport in the world, loud fans and safe use of flares are part of it, pitch invasions and violence are not. No, the sport isn’t dying and this league will over come this and move on just like any other league in the world has done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr MO said: We are the biggest sport in the world, loud fans and safe use of flares are part of it, pitch invasions and violence are not. No, the sport isn’t dying and this league will over come this and move on just like any other league in the world has done. Providing the money doesn't pull out with the likes of parashit, 10 and even to a lesser extent Isuzu. If they go the league is in trouble. Otherwise it's going to be a long recovery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 So what do we think happens next then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 Police are chasing certain individuals https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/knocking-on-a-few-doors-soon-polices-warning-to-alleged-pitch-invaders-after-disgraceful-aleague-scenes/news-story/52f76bfd12c5018a8218be522f35fd31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Torn Asunder said: Police are chasing certain individuals https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/knocking-on-a-few-doors-soon-polices-warning-to-alleged-pitch-invaders-after-disgraceful-aleague-scenes/news-story/52f76bfd12c5018a8218be522f35fd31 The guy that threw the bucket is an absolute dead shit. As if you are going to somehow get away with that. Firstly you have your face exposed and secondly your finger prints are all over the steel bucket. What a f%cking iiddiiioooottttt!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, malloy said: The pitch invasion was pre-planned, numerous MVFC supporters with life bans were in attendance with their OSM pals. There was a reason why they all didn't walk out on 20 mins. If you watch the side angle of the video where Gliver throws the flare you can see some of them already starting to go over the fence and security moving in prior to the flare being thrown into the NT. Glover fucked up, n should be punished for that, but he can't be blamed for something that OSM planned to do. Fair enough, most of my posts about this issue have been me shitposting. I'm only annoyed at Glover for being careless with when he was removing the flare from the field of play. I don't think he was intentionally throwing it into the stands, more reckless than anything. To play the devils advocate however, I actually like the idea of active areas around the country interrupting live play during rounds. Obviously I don't condone anything the mongs did, or anyone for that manner attacking players, but are all of these walk outs really achieving anything? Are we actually going to have a reversal of the decision or some type of change happen? Because atm I see nothing happening except a few posts on twitter acknowledging active areas walking out. If all of these active areas actually want to see a reversal of the decision made about where the next 3 grand finals are being held, their needs to be some actual disturbance to how rounds of football are happening.Nothing is being achieved currently. Edited December 18, 2022 by kingofhearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aardvark Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: To play the devils advocate however, I actually like the idea of active areas around the country interrupting live play during rounds. Obviously I don't condone anything the mongs did, or anyone for that manner attacking players, but are all of these walk outs really achieving anything? Are we actually going to have a reversal of the decision or some type of change happen? Because atm I see nothing happening except a few posts on twitter acknowledging active areas walking out. If all of these active areas actually want to see a reversal of the decision made about where the next 3 grand finals are being held, their needs to be some actual disturbance to how rounds of football are happening.Nothing is being achieved currently. If they were done sensibly i think there is a 5050 chance they may have been somewhat effective for this round, but obviously no chance now...and anything more than one round would most likely piss off every other supporter more tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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