Murfy1 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I think hoff has a good attitude, he's won the club man award or whatever it is and seems to be passionate about the heart/city. He's probably just not a first team player and I hope we do release him. There's a 'good' or nice attitude, and there's a good or winning or professional attitude. IMO Hoffman is definitely the former; he seems a nice guy and a top bloke, doubt I seriously doubt that Hoffman helps the team have a winning or professional attitude. I even think the club signing so many nice guys might have made it more difficult for the team to get that winning/professional attitude. Nice guys like Hoffman and Williams seem to try to keep themselves and everybody smiling, even if the team is losing, or even when the team hasn't won an away match in over a year, and so on. I'm sure there are some players who are both nice guys with winning/professional attitudes, but IMO the club has signed lots of nice guys who are media friendly--Hoffman, Williams Macallister--from the beginning, and I really don't think it's helped create a winning culture at the club (no need to quote Williams' infamous quote for further proof). The moment the club gets ruthless with these not very talented players, who are nice but not winners (like Hoffman, Redmayne, Williams), then this club will be making real progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Maybe the 'nice' players could spend some time answering the phone calls from season ticket holders when next season's tickets go on sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Just maybe signing so many 'nice players' is a reflection of the personality type the coach feels comfortable dealing with. Edited May 12, 2015 by n i k o 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Just maybe signing so many 'nice players' is a reflection of the personality type the coach feels comfortable dealing with. Yes, if he's still here he should be put on phone answering duties as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I think hoff has a good attitude, he's won the club man award or whatever it is and seems to be passionate about the heart/city. He's probably just not a first team player and I hope we do release him. There's a 'good' or nice attitude, and there's a good or winning or professional attitude. IMO Hoffman is definitely the former; he seems a nice guy and a top bloke, doubt I seriously doubt that Hoffman helps the team have a winning or professional attitude. I even think the club signing so many nice guys might have made it more difficult for the team to get that winning/professional attitude. Nice guys like Hoffman and Williams seem to try to keep themselves and everybody smiling, even if the team is losing, or even when the team hasn't won an away match in over a year, and so on. I'm sure there are some players who are both nice guys with winning/professional attitudes, but IMO the club has signed lots of nice guys who are media friendly--Hoffman, Williams Macallister--from the beginning, and I really don't think it's helped create a winning culture at the club (no need to quote Williams' infamous quote for further proof). The moment the club gets ruthless with these not very talented players, who are nice but not winners (like Hoffman, Redmayne, Williams), then this club will be making real progress. In the past I haven't said too much in criticism or perhaps even stood up for players when people suspected their attitude was suspect. After all if you don't know someone, interpreting their body language or media quotes (that are probably out of context) is really only likely to be accurate when you know the person well. Its pretty clear though there is an attitude problem at the club. If you look at the players who might be part of that, certainly David Williams seems more of the "happy go lucky" type, fun to hang round with, but not always the best in a scrape. The odds are he is part of the problem, I'll give you that. In regards to Jason Hoffman though perhaps you are a bit harsh - I reckon he's always given 100% as far as I could tell. He has worked hard to learn and perform in a new position too. The key problem with the Hoff is his 100% is not that great and the question with him basically has always been "is he just good enough to keep because he's cheap" or not. i think we've now realised we need to move on. Andrew Redmayne I'm not sure. I saw no evidence of him improving over 2 seasons, but perhaps that's because he already was at 100%, anyway in his case it is beyond me how he has a professional contract in the first place, so his attitude isn't really a factor either way. I would have Mate D on the "questionable attitude" list too. How a guy with his modest talent could think he could get away with being a poor trainer is beyond me. Its too late here now Mate, get a real job and play kick around in SL2 with your mates from your teens, you'll only need to train when its a full moon, so you should be happy. In regards to personalities I think you can be a "winner" without being a total arsehole, Damien Duff being a case in point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALZALOL Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 Almost confirmed that he is being moved onto one of the bottom 3 teams from this season. Was not told which due to confidentiality and to ensure minimal leakage of information and ensure the deal goes through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I think hoff has a good attitude, he's won the club man award or whatever it is and seems to be passionate about the heart/city. He's probably just not a first team player and I hope we do release him. There's a 'good' or nice attitude, and there's a good or winning or professional attitude. IMO Hoffman is definitely the former; he seems a nice guy and a top bloke, doubt I seriously doubt that Hoffman helps the team have a winning or professional attitude. I even think the club signing so many nice guys might have made it more difficult for the team to get that winning/professional attitude. Nice guys like Hoffman and Williams seem to try to keep themselves and everybody smiling, even if the team is losing, or even when the team hasn't won an away match in over a year, and so on. I'm sure there are some players who are both nice guys with winning/professional attitudes, but IMO the club has signed lots of nice guys who are media friendly--Hoffman, Williams Macallister--from the beginning, and I really don't think it's helped create a winning culture at the club (no need to quote Williams' infamous quote for further proof). The moment the club gets ruthless with these not very talented players, who are nice but not winners (like Hoffman, Redmayne, Williams), then this club will be making real progress. In the past I haven't said too much in criticism or perhaps even stood up for players when people suspected their attitude was suspect. After all if you don't know someone, interpreting their body language or media quotes (that are probably out of context) is really only likely to be accurate when you know the person well. Its pretty clear though there is an attitude problem at the club. If you look at the players who might be part of that, certainly David Williams seems more of the "happy go lucky" type, fun to hang round with, but not always the best in a scrape. The odds are he is part of the problem, I'll give you that. In regards to Jason Hoffman though perhaps you are a bit harsh - I reckon he's always given 100% as far as I could tell. He has worked hard to learn and perform in a new position too. The key problem with the Hoff is his 100% is not that great and the question with him basically has always been "is he just good enough to keep because he's cheap" or not. i think we've now realised we need to move on. Andrew Redmayne I'm not sure. I saw no evidence of him improving over 2 seasons, but perhaps that's because he already was at 100%, anyway in his case it is beyond me how he has a professional contract in the first place, so his attitude isn't really a factor either way. I would have Mate D on the "questionable attitude" list too. How a guy with his modest talent could think he could get away with being a poor trainer is beyond me. Its too late here now Mate, get a real job and play kick around in SL2 with your mates from your teens, you'll only need to train when its a full moon, so you should be happy. In regards to personalities I think you can be a "winner" without being a total arsehole, Damien Duff being a case in point. I think paartalu has been a breath of fresh air in that regard. Not afraid to come out and say what the issues are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I think that people are confusing being a nice bloke and being an arsehole on the job. I have found that people who are arseholes get away with it only because others let them - there is nothing like a hammer on your hand and a willingness to use it to see arseholes back down (my old man taught me that trick). But being an agreeable bloke does not mean you have to accept mediocrity - indeed when a "nice" bloke is riled you know you screwed up. Personally I am not sure that there is an attitude problem with the team but certainly some players do have one (Williams infamous interview is enough to see that) but there is the problem that some players are not talented enough to be in the A-League. Hoffman is a case in point. And BTW I did see Willo kick IaRocca in the face last season when he was physically brutalising players. Even better was that he was not even carded but did give away a foul. So Willo does have a nasty streak in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted May 12, 2015 Report Share Posted May 12, 2015 I think that people are confusing being a nice bloke and being an arsehole on the job. I have found that people who are arseholes get away with it only because others let them - there is nothing like a hammer on your hand and a willingness to use it to see arseholes back down (my old man taught me that trick). But being an agreeable bloke does not mean you have to accept mediocrity - indeed when a "nice" bloke is riled you know you screwed up. Personally I am not sure that there is an attitude problem with the team but certainly some players do have one (Williams infamous interview is enough to see that) but there is the problem that some players are not talented enough to be in the A-League. Hoffman is a case in point. And BTW I did see Willo kick IaRocca in the face last season when he was physically brutalising players. Even better was that he was not even carded but did give away a foul. So Willo does have a nasty streak in him. Agree with all this. I probably overstated the point about Melbourne Heart/City systemically recruiting nice guys who aren't winners. Anyway you can put the attitude issue to one side with effectively all of the suggested players, because on playing performance alone most of them are more lucky than deserving to have contracts with Melbourne City. So it will be interesting to see if the club is 'ruthless' over the off-season, like the insider in Lynch's article said the club will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Please leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_terra_11 Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Anyone one else notice Zinni wearing #15? Could Williams finally be gone or am I reading too much into things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tesla Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Anyone one else notice Zinni wearing #15? Could Williams finally be gone or am I reading too much into things?Has to be a good probability. The only problem might be we are paying him too much and he would have to take a significant pay cut to join someone else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Doubt it. He's been mentioned as injured by JVS in all the pressers.Will play an important role off the bench this season for sure IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 But... but... he's super David Williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 I reckon he'd be a good fit at Perth or Newcastle... wouldn't rule it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Doubt it. He's been mentioned as injured by JVS in all the pressers.Will play an important role off the bench this season for sure IMO Still using a crutch a week or so ago. I can't see anyone else taking on the risk with him - we were foolish to sign him for three years seeing he'd been released by Sydney after they signed him for their ACL campaign. Will stay this season and then be dumped. Along with quite a few others whose contracts expire in May 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 I think i remeber players wearing all different numbers in the match against Man City so i think its just a preseason thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Still using a crutch a week or so ago. I can't see anyone else taking on the risk with him - we were foolish to sign him for three years seeing he'd been released by Sydney after they signed him for their ACL campaign. Will stay this season and then be dumped. Along with quite a few others whose contracts expire in May 2016.people complain about 1 year deals and then complain about 3 year deals, is 2 years the magic number or is it all just hindsight bias? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 I think i remeber players wearing all different numbers in the match against Man City so i think its just a preseason thingBut as it is an official competition would that not cause complications? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 But as it is an official competition would that not cause complications?Doubt it. Number would just have to match the team sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 people complain about 1 year deals and then complain about 3 year deals, is 2 years the magic number or is it all just hindsight bias?I don't think it's anything to do with hindsight. People just find any reason to complain. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnibari Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 I think they just needed a number and William's number was free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 So based on the press reports Dave is on the way out. 91 games for us, top scorer with about 26 but you'd have to say he has largely been a disappointment . Had a few good moments of course, a 12 goal season and "that goal" against Sydney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 still a good servant of the club i guess chuck in that hat trick away to wellington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Regardless of the club loosing countless balls in the earth's orbit, I would hope we don't slag him when he plays against us we had been good to the supporters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 9 minutes ago, Shahanga said: So based on the press reports Dave is on the way out. 91 games for us, top scorer with about 26 but you'd have to say he has largely been a disappointment . Had a few good moments of course, a 12 goal season and "that goal" against Sydney. I make it 21 goals all told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Opens a spot for Zinni or (possibly) Kuzmanovski on the wing, depending on what the club does with Garrucio/Clisby now that Michael Zullo is back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 7 minutes ago, jw1739 said: I make it 21 goals all told. Away from home without my spreadsheet. Was just going off (vague) memory and will happily take your word for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, Tommykins said: Opens a spot for Zinni or (possibly) Kuzmanovski on the wing, depending on what the club does with Garrucio/Clisby now that Michael Zullo is back. I reckon it confirms we are going to get that winger big name this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 1 minute ago, Shahanga said: Away from home without my spreadsheet. Was just going off (vague) memory and will happily take your word for it. Would appreciate a check of the following anyway. 2011-12: 1 2012-13: 5 2013-14: 12 2014-15: 3 2015-16: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 I'll never forget that goal against Sydney. One of the best moments in our club's short history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 6 minutes ago, hakz7 said: I'll never forget that goal against Sydney. One of the best moments in our club's short history. Need a video of our best goals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfc_10 Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fFEiSmA5r8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Had about 1 good moment every 2 seasons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 If Adelaide win they win, if they lose they lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Pints Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 In other news the kfc in welland has just hired 10 new full-time staff... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 2 hours ago, jw1739 said: Would appreciate a check of the following anyway. 2011-12: 1 2012-13: 5 2013-14: 12 2014-15: 3 2015-16: 0 That looks right. By the way I make it 99 games for Heart/City for Willo having just checked soccerway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I think the club should have played Willo last night (or at least had him in the match day squad). I'm sure his 100 appearance for us would have overridden any conflicts he had. I'd say the club was worried about an injury, but me I worry more about winning games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 If he played and got injured, swap with Malik doesn't happen, so I can understand why he wasn't selected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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