n i k o Posted December 8, 2019 Report Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: I'm reluctant to blame individual players - except Bouzanis, who I think just isn't up to it - I think we were poorly set up against Perth and had the wrong game plan. Why on earth we were playing long high balls to Maclaren is beyond me, and when we persisted with that tactic after conceding a soft goal we were never likely to get anything out of the match. I thought the coaching against Perth was every bit as bad as what we saw under Joyce, and didn't seem consistent with any of the principles espoused by Mombaerts. I still don't understand WTF we thought we were doing. I don't think we should be taking it out on Delbridge when IMO it was Mombaerts who got it all wrong. Agree. The ultimate reason for the loss was the tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted December 8, 2019 Report Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 hours ago, jw1739 said: I'm reluctant to blame individual players - except Bouzanis, who I think just isn't up to it - I think we were poorly set up against Perth and had the wrong game plan. Why on earth we were playing long high balls to Maclaren is beyond me, and when we persisted with that tactic after conceding a soft goal we were never likely to get anything out of the match. I thought the coaching against Perth was every bit as bad as what we saw under Joyce, and didn't seem consistent with any of the principles espoused by Mombaerts. I still don't understand WTF we thought we were doing. I don't think we should be taking it out on Delbridge when IMO it was Mombaerts who got it all wrong. We didn't deliberately set out to play long balls or go out wide. This is the team adapting to the match scenario in front of them. Perth choked the middle with five players almost all in the circle. It's a low block. How do we get around that? A team needs to find ways of breaking down their opposition, which is why we saw a few long balls and the wingers dropping to find more of the ball. We were pushed out wide because that's where the space was. Makes it difficult to play our way and in the press conference Mombaerts said we tried to fix it at half time but we conceded the second and it made it very hard. We also conceded first, which was less than ideal. It's a good lesson for the coaches and the team. IMO different players are needed against that kind of system, ones who can carry the ball and like to play in tight and quicker, more direct players. I'm thinking of guys like Berenguer, Luna, Wales and Najjarine. But in regards to Delbridge, twice he was beaten in the air by his direct opponent and the other was an own goal off his boot. He wasn't responsible for the loss but he was the worst player out there. I'm sure he'd be pissed off at Bouzanis but I reckon he'd know he had a shocker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) He's definitely not been as good as he was last year but imo outside of maybe Galloway, pretty much our entire back 5 has been below average to poor. Our tactics are leaving our defenders quite exposed at times. Edited December 9, 2019 by Embee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Embee said: He's definitely not been as good as he was last year but imo outside of maybe Galloway, pretty much our entire back 5 has been below average to poor. Our tactics are leaving our defenders quite exposed at times. Granted. But many errors of the likes of Jamieson and Delbo have been individual errors. They're not necessarily exposure to poor positioning, although at times they are. Simple routine things like not passing it to an oppositions players feet are unfortunately happening every game. Im pretty sure I could safely bet that Bort would not be making those basic errors like that even within the current system (please note, im not saying he's without error). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, n i k o said: Granted. But many errors of the likes of Jamieson and Delbo have been individual errors. They're not necessarily exposure to poor positioning, although at times they are. Simple routine things like not passing it to an oppositions players feet are unfortunately happening every game. Im pretty sure I could safely bet that Bort would not be making those basic errors like that even within the current system (please note, im not saying he's without error). Not saying it's necessarily what's causing the issues, but asking too much of players in possession can lead to those errors too. Harrison and Curtis aren't particularly brilliant with the ball at their feet, although Curtis is decent enough at this level. To be fair, for the most part Bort was probably as close to a perfect centre back as you'll get in Australia. Good positioning and reading of the play, excellent recovery speed for the times he was caught out and was also a cut above with the ball at his feet as far as most other defenders in this league. Edited December 9, 2019 by Embee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Embee said: excellent recovery speed for the times he was caught out This... enjoyed watching this always - most of the time he would recover with those burst and calmly keep possession without wild antics. I didn’t even mind that opponents broken through the lines as Bort was there. Edited December 10, 2019 by Mr MO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Embee said: Not saying it's necessarily what's causing the issues, but asking too much of players in possession can lead to those errors too. Harrison and Curtis aren't particularly brilliant with the ball at their feet, although Curtis is decent enough at this level. The system we play unfortunately asks a lot of quality from every player hence it argued if this is the right approach for this league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 36 minutes ago, Mr MO said: The system we play unfortunately asks a lot of quality from every player hence it argued if this is the right approach for this league. That’s why Windbichler needs to come in when he’s fit. He’s a good defender sure, but he’s an even better ball player. He was used as a six at times in the K-League and in the Austrian Bundesliga. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 10 hours ago, Mr MO said: The system we play unfortunately asks a lot of quality from every player hence it argued if this is the right approach for this league. Sorry, this is is the wrong attitude. We should and must demand that the league improve. If the coach does not raise the bar then no one will. It is yup to the coach and club to search for players to improve or to find players that are willing to improve. "Quality" is dependent on a lot of factors and talent is only one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, NewConvert said: Sorry, this is is the wrong attitude. We should and must demand that the league improve. If the coach does not raise the bar then no one will. It is yup to the coach and club to search for players to improve or to find players that are willing to improve. "Quality" is dependent on a lot of factors and talent is only one. Okay let’s have the right attitude! Let’s find some real impact and team carrying visas players and use the marquee and guest player spots for proper players. Edited December 10, 2019 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtellingyou Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 Delbo struggles against the players who can shield a ball. Until he develops that defending skill , he is the weakest link. There will be no team success as he holds the key defensive role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 Obviously just 2 people's opinions, but Delbridge has made half way point team of season by Daniel Garb and Simon Hill. Very interesting selection as he has had 2 red cards Has obviously made a massive impact on some people this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, neio said: Obviously just 2 people's opinions, but Delbridge has made half way point team of season by Daniel Garb and Simon Hill. Very interesting selection as he has had 2 red cards Has obviously made a massive impact on some people this season His highlights reel would be very impressive this season. How much attention is given to his shortcomings and mistakes is another thing. Edited January 20, 2020 by n i k o 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jw1739 Posted January 20, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 10 hours ago, n i k o said: His highlights reel would be very impressive this season. How much attention is given to his shortcomings and mistakes is another thing. I'm an unashamed Delbridge fan. It's not only his highlights that grab the fan's attention, it's that you can see his absolute commitment to the cause in every match. That's what we loved about Bruno, and I think Delbo comes close as a defender. City desperately needs some continuity, and Delbridge is the type of player who provides that. I for one would love to see him become a "club stalwart." 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missing_Moy Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, jw1739 said: I'm an unashamed Delbridge fan. It's not only his highlights that grab the fan's attention, it's that you can see his absolute commitment to the cause in every match. That's what we loved about Bruno, and I think Delbo comes close as a defender. City desperately needs some continuity, and Delbridge is the type of player who provides that. I for one would love to see him become a "club stalwart." Yeah love his commitment has a few brain farts but he is amazing in the air and desperate to stop goals love him!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 I’m glad he’s at our club. I guess that makes me a fan. I don’t think he’s in Socceroos form right now though (and I thought last week he looked like a bloke who’d missed a game and hadn’t been able to train). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted January 20, 2020 Report Share Posted January 20, 2020 Don’t know why he can’t be our captain next year. Seems made for it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 how the fuck do they both have diamanti in their teams 🤡🤡🤡🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Thrillhouse said: how the fuck do they both have diamanti in their teams 🤡🤡🤡🤡 Take off your partisan blinkers. Have you seen the passes he makes? That cross to Berisha for their first goal on Sunday was an absolute peach. You may not like him, but he is a hugely talented playmaker. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, jw1739 said: I'm an unashamed Delbridge fan. It's not only his highlights that grab the fan's attention, it's that you can see his absolute commitment to the cause in every match. That's what we loved about Bruno, and I think Delbo comes close as a defender. City desperately needs some continuity, and Delbridge is the type of player who provides that. I for one would love to see him become a "club stalwart." I agree with your sentiments. How many more red cards we can handle watching is another thing. If he is to be our future club stalwart we can't afford him getting multiple red cards a season. If he can improve this part and maintain his performances I'll be all the way behind him staying and perhaps even captaining the team. Edited January 21, 2020 by n i k o 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 21, 2020 Report Share Posted January 21, 2020 21 hours ago, Harrison said: Don’t know why he can’t be our captain next year. Seems made for it. I’m not sure if he’s a big talker on the pitch might be a confidence thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Harrison Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Thrillhouse said: donkey On rollerblades. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 Calm blue ocean calm blue ocean... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 The first two red cards were pretty soft in all fairness. Tonight's tackle was a shocker though after a horrid first touch. He's either a 10/10 player or a 2/10 player, there's really no in between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 Can we finally agree that he's just not very good? For a guy his size he is timid in the air but throws himself into slide tackles like he's N'golo Kante. Last season was an anomaly, he's just a bang average defender, a good back up but nothing more. I reckon you could stand Marc Warren next to Bart and he'd probably look like a decent A-League player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 10 hours ago, Thrillhouse said: donkey Bull in a china shop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, mus-28 said: Can we finally agree that he's just not very good? For a guy his size he is timid in the air but throws himself into slide tackles like he's N'golo Kante. Last season was an anomaly, he's just a bang average defender, a good back up but nothing more. I reckon you could stand Marc Warren next to Bart and he'd probably look like a decent A-League player. “Bart who?” and “future Socceroo” or even “captain material”. Perhaps overhyped after a couple of good tackles. However I do think he’s got value to add to this league and club, but you are correct just an average defender. Edited February 1, 2020 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted February 1, 2020 Report Share Posted February 1, 2020 On 21/01/2020 at 10:43 AM, Harrison said: Don’t know why he can’t be our captain next year. Seems made for it. Hm. Maybe that’s why. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Harrison said: Hm. Maybe that’s why. Haha perhaps he reads the forum and got carried away a bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, Mr MO said: Haha perhaps he reads the forum and got carried away a bit! Or possibly he knows that he's not being retained for next season and couldn't care a fuck anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Or possibly he knows that he's not being retained for next season and couldn't care a fuck anymore? Wouldn’t you play your heart out to earn an extension. That might be it, he’s trying to hard. His fans would devastated if he leaves. No doubt he will pick up another A-League contract somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, Mr MO said: Wouldn’t you play your heart out to earn an extension. That might be it, he’s trying to hard. His fans would devastated if he leaves. No doubt he will pick up another A-League contract somewhere else. Be shocked if we didn’t re-sign him what other Australian CB are out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 Or maybe he just made a bad tackle. He isn't the first to do it, he won't be the last. He obviously has some form of problem with red cards, but I would be staggered if we let him go 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, neio said: Or maybe he just made a bad tackle. He isn't the first to do it, he won't be the last. He obviously has some form of problem with red cards, but I would be staggered if we let him go He looks like he’s trying too hard and the emotion gets the most of him. Looked good with Bart next to him as Bart was the leader of the defence calm and composed whereas he doesn’t have him there now. Edited February 2, 2020 by CityBoyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 minute ago, CityBoyz said: He looks like he’s trying too hard and the emotion gets the most of him. Looked good with Bart next to him as Bart was the leader of the defence calm and composed whereas he doesn’t have him there now. in addition to that, Bart was usually the one who chased down players when we were caught out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, malloy said: in addition to that, Bart was usually the one who chased down players when we were caught out. In hindsight not offering Bart what he wanted is what will cost us top 2 as our defence has been shambolic this season. Shocking by the decision makers at the club where Sydney can re-sign their whole squad again for next season we couldn’t re-sign our best player. Just shows we’re the two clubs are at🤦♂️ Edited February 2, 2020 by CityBoyz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, CityBoyz said: In hindsight not offering Bart what he wanted is what will cost us top 2 as our defence has been shambolic this season. Shocking by the decision makers at the club where Sydney can re-sign their whole squad again for next season we couldn’t re-sign our best player. Just shows we’re the two clubs are at🤦♂️ It has been mentioned here before but there was two things at play with Bart. He wanted a lot money which would make him marquee and unfortunately we already committed to paying Berenguer a fortune for this season. We couldn’t fit any of them under the cap as there was only one marquee spot up for grabs as Jmac was already locked in. Edited February 2, 2020 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 The whole Berenguer contract has been an utter disaster. We get more out of cameo appearances by our academy players than we've seen out of him in nearly two seasons. Noone isn't much better either. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanz Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 The berenguer experiment is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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