jw1739 Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 Really like the guest passes we've been offered for the game. Am endeavouring to use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 Full strength I’d expect. At least until it’s all wrapped up. Any chance for 10K? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icantthinkofacoolname Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 Code ‘GOCITYGA’ on ticketek for 2 GA tickets for $20 ($10 each). Not sure if anyone on here needs it since i think most of us would be members but just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Harrison said: Full strength I’d expect. At least until it’s all wrapped up. Any chance for 10K? I personally don’t really have any mates that would go. But really happy to see the club be proactive about this issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 Not sure where to put it, but good interview with Scott Jamieson https://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/news/press-conference-scott-jamieson-200521 Makes some interesting positive comments about Warren Joyce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 Yeah he’s said something briefly before about that. Talking city gave a nod to Joyce too. Joyce wasn’t a completely idiot, he wouldn’t have stayed in the game as long as he has otherwise. He made some positive contributions, it’s just that many of us were frustrated with a lot of the details of his work. On that note my adult son has agreed to return for this game, after walking away from the club due to Joyceball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IssySG Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, Shahanga said: Joyce wasn’t a completely idiot, he wouldn’t have stayed in the game as long as he has otherwise. Agree with this theory in principle, in practice i present the counterargument; Steve Kean. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 Sorry, but what we played under Joyce was turgid and frankly we are playing the complete opposite and its a joy to watch. Next thing some are going to start crediting Mr Unlucky with where we are at. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Jovan said: Sorry, but what we played under Joyce was turgid and frankly we are playing the complete opposite and its a joy to watch. Next thing some are going to start crediting Mr Unlucky with where we are at. Oh yes. I think the only credit he is surely getting is for changing the culture? (In his brutal one dimensional way) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Shahanga said: Oh yes. I think the only credit he is surely getting is for changing the culture? (In his brutal one dimensional way) But was it a permanent change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 hours ago, NewConvert said: But was it a permanent change? Well the culture now is a hell of a lot better than it was 4 years ago. No guys in the squad with the body shapes of Brattan, winning tough games, winning with X. Coming from behind to win. As to your question, I don’t think culture is ever permanent but it is very slow to change, for better or worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 Agree nothing is ever permanent and certain. Best example is Man United after Ferguson's tenure. What is important is to minimise the duration of those periods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 Jamo several times used the term "humble" to describe the present players (or quite a few of them - I can't remember his exact phraseology) and I took from that that Joyce dealt with a few players who had to be cut down to size, so to speak. The difference being that today's players realise that they are privileged to play for the club, whereas when Joyce arrived there were a few who thought that the club was privileged to have them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted May 20, 2021 Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 I'm finding this recent Joyce appreciation a little unwarranted. I'm putting our recent consistent high level performances soley down to PK and the "current" coaching team. With a huge acknowledgement to Erik and that other bloke he had. The culture discussion is also a big nonsense, largely driven by AFL mentality, if you are fit, focussed and proffessional then ultimately that is basically a "good healthy" culture. My question how many players did Joyce actually influence their culture/attitude/performance that are still playing. Jamieson,Atkinson, Berenguer Griffiths Metcalfe, I would argue these blokes are pretty much all improved since he left. So basically we will only have a good culture if we win games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jw1739 Posted May 20, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jovan said: I'm finding this recent Joyce appreciation a little unwarranted. I'm putting our recent consistent high level performances soley down to PK and the "current" coaching team. With a huge acknowledgement to Erik and that other bloke he had. The culture discussion is also a big nonsense, largely driven by AFL mentality, if you are fit, focussed and proffessional then ultimately that is basically a "good healthy" culture. My question how many players did Joyce actually influence their culture/attitude/performance that are still playing. Jamieson,Atkinson, Berenguer Griffiths Metcalfe, I would argue these blokes are pretty much all improved since he left. So basically we will only have a good culture if we win games. Perhaps I'm very wide of the mark but I assumed that the ones he cut down to size were the ones who left the club? I'm surprised that you ridicule "culture." It means "the way we do things around here" and my personal experience whilst employed (not in football of course) is that it makes a huge difference to how people behave and produce in the workplace. Basically whether you're in it together or just in it for yourself. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 2 hours ago, jw1739 said: Perhaps I'm very wide of the mark but I assumed that the ones he cut down to size were the ones who left the club? I'm surprised that you ridicule "culture." It means "the way we do things around here" and my personal experience whilst employed (not in football of course) is that it makes a huge difference to how people behave and produce in the workplace. Basically whether you're in it together or just in it for yourself. Yes I believe Jamieson was referring to guys like Fornaroli and Kilkenny. If that’s Joyce’s legacy then so be it. I think he did what had to be done and was always going to be the villain. Couldn’t coach but instilling a team-first culture is important and it looks like he did that. And then Mombaerts laid the philosophical, technical and tactical foundations for Kisnorbo, who himself seems like a bit of a hybrid of the two men before him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 I'm far from a Joyce apologist, I had a number of pretty significant issues with him during his time in charge, but it is notable that almost everybody I've spoken to who works at the club or was adjacent to the club during his time in charge speaks glowingly of some of the culture changes he assisted in embedding during his time there. The guy was clearly a 'my way or the highway' type man manager who had most of his experience taking that stance with younger players and seemingly struggled to find common ground with some of the more experienced guys in the squad. It's no coincidence that it was mostly outspoken veterans who he fell out with IMO. This isn't me attempting to canonize Joyce in any way, his tenure dealt a certain amount of damage to other aspects of the club, in particular fan engagement and attendances. However, from what I've heard/been told, he was pretty crucial in the beginnings of the mentality change at this club. Something which was then improved upon and potentially perfected by the Erick and Paddy duo. 2 hours ago, jw1739 said: Jamo several times used the term "humble" to describe the present players (or quite a few of them - I can't remember his exact phraseology) and I took from that that Joyce dealt with a few players who had to be cut down to size, so to speak. The difference being that today's players realise that they are privileged to play for the club, whereas when Joyce arrived there were a few who thought that the club was privileged to have them. I think this point is probably relatively close to the truth tbh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 I think it's probably fairly indicative (for better, or in some cases, much worse) the players that left the club under Joyce's management have often gone on to have falling out's with other managers, too. It's possible to be a decent man manager and create culture while being a woeful tactician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 35 minutes ago, Tommykins said: I think it's probably fairly indicative (for better, or in some cases, much worse) the players that left the club under Joyce's management have often gone on to have falling out's with other managers, too. It's possible to be a decent man manager and create culture while being a woeful tactician. Not sure that’s true. I can’t think of one example to be honest. Don’t get me wrong I still think he was a shit man manager, but his 1950s methods did achieve something was my sole point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 Hang on, so he axed some egos and now is responsible for the they way the group are performing now. Okay you speak to people who hold him high regard, yet I could guarantee they would never bring him back. I'll go back to my original premise, we are where we are down to Kisnorbo and Mombarets and almost nothing for Joyce, in 2 seasons he almost singlehandedly ruined the club. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 46 minutes ago, Jovan said: Hang on, so he axed some egos and now is responsible for the they way the group are performing now. Okay you speak to people who hold him high regard, yet I could guarantee they would never bring him back. I'll go back to my original premise, we are where we are down to Kisnorbo and Mombarets and almost nothing for Joyce, in 2 seasons he almost singlehandedly ruined the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 56 minutes ago, Jovan said: Hang on, so he axed some egos and now is responsible for the they way the group are performing now. Okay you speak to people who hold him high regard, yet I could guarantee they would never bring him back. I'll go back to my original premise, we are where we are down to Kisnorbo and Mombarets and almost nothing for Joyce, in 2 seasons he almost singlehandedly ruined the club. You have to dig a hole for foundations. You have to remove something to allow you to build. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 4-0 win incoming. Party start to finish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 Top level is open now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, CityBoyz said: Top level is open now It's amazing when the FFA gives us a decent time/day to kick off we can actually draw a big crowd. Who would've thought Wednesday night games would be such a bad idea? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtellingyou Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 It's more related to the fact that the whole game event is shaped as a big Plate celebration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 1.Tom GLOVER (gk), 2.Scott GALLOWAY, 3.Scott JAMIESON (c), 4.Nuno REIS, 5.Daniel GEORGIEVSKI, 7.Rostyn GRIFFITHS, 8.Aiden O’NEILL, 9.Jamie MACLAREN, 10.Florin BERENGUER-BOHRER, 11.Craig NOONE, 14.Naoki TSUBAKI, 16.Taras GOMULKA, 17.Stefan COLAKOVSKI, 18.Connor METCALFE, 19.Ben GARUCCIO, 20.Adrian LUNA, 22.Curtis GOOD, 23.Marco TILIO, 33.Matthew SUTTON (gk), 36.Kerrin STOKES. In: 16.Taras GOMULKA (promoted), 36.Kerrin STOKES (promoted). Out: Nil. Unavailable: 13.Nathaniel ATKINSON (hamstring), 15.Andrew NABBOUT (adductor). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Shahanga said: Not sure that’s true. I can’t think of one example to be honest. Don’t get me wrong I still think he was a shit man manager, but his 1950s methods did achieve something was my sole point. I think people that typically make very good man managers usually end up as assistants or youth coaches - think Duncan Ferguson, Joe Jordan, Sam Allardyce, Peter Reid, Neil Lennon. They provide excellent leadership to their team and generally players say they love playing for them, but in reality the football can be very one-dimensional, which can work when it's in vogue, but when they're required to make a change they an often really struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icantthinkofacoolname Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, CityBoyz said: Top level is open now Very good sign but i’m a little surprised. My friend bought a ticket this morning and said Pax was only ~6250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Jovan said: Hang on, so he axed some egos and now is responsible for the they way the group are performing now. Okay you speak to people who hold him high regard, yet I could guarantee they would never bring him back. I'll go back to my original premise, we are where we are down to Kisnorbo and Mombarets and almost nothing for Joyce, in 2 seasons he almost singlehandedly ruined the club. I fully agree with this post. The turnover under Joyce was no different to our annual turnover. And AFAIK neither Fornarelli nor Kilkenny have had a fallout with their managers at PG. For me the big change happened during the lockdown period when the team had to go into a bubble. Look at the posts/performance pre-bubble and post bubble. And by that stage WJ was screwing the careers of young English footballers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, NewConvert said: I fully agree with this post. The turnover under Joyce was no different to our annual turnover. And AFAIK neither Fornarelli nor Kilkenny have had a fallout with their managers at PG. For me the big change happened during the lockdown period when the team had to go into a bubble. Look at the posts/performance pre-bubble and post bubble. And by that stage WJ was screwing the careers of young English footballers. I wonder how much of it can also be attributed to the club looking after its players much better than other clubs during the pandemic. Iirc we were one of the few clubs who didn't try and reduce players salaries and continued to pay players. Surely something like that helps drive home the point that people are lucky to play fir the club. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missing_Moy Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, NewConvert said: I fully agree with this post. The turnover under Joyce was no different to our annual turnover. And AFAIK neither Fornarelli nor Kilkenny have had a fallout with their managers at PG. For me the big change happened during the lockdown period when the team had to go into a bubble. Look at the posts/performance pre-bubble and post bubble. And by that stage WJ was screwing the careers of young English footballers. Hmmmm Kilkenny currently frozen out of the PG side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, Missing_Moy said: Hmmmm Kilkenny currently frozen out of the PG side Yes he’s signed with Victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citymad Posted May 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr MO said: Yes he’s signed with Victory. is this definite or just assumumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, citymad said: is this definite or just assumumption. Not officially announced but the reason he is frozen out is because it became clear he won’t be a Glory player next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 Predictions for PAX tommorow night going to go with 12k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kingofhearts Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) Pax is 100 000 Edited May 21, 2021 by kingofhearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 This week might have good crowds for once if our game gets over 10k, Wellington first home game and the Sydney derby at the scg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Embee said: How is my opinion straw man? I'm saying that Joyce should be given zero credit for where we are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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