Mr MO Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, jw1739 said: The A-League's Salary Cap for 2019/20 was $3.2m, except for Western United who were allowed $3.6m. The Salary Floor was $2.88m (90% of the cap). It is the latter when combined with the minimum number of senior players that each club must have (20) that produces the problem. Part of the discussion is lowering the minimum squad to 18 I read somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, mattyh001 said: we need substantial expansion and promotion / relegation first IMO for any market to work you need both supply and demand. i just don't see how there are enough teams currently in the A League to create the required demand for significant transfer fees. outside of the big two teams in Melbourne and the big two in Sydney, i just dont see how the other clubs are going to spend much (particularly on a regular basis). plus there's no real reserve comp for clubs (largely due to cost), so i think clubs are in a pickle - I cant see clubs wanting 30+ players on their books if only 12-15 get regular game time (or for that fact I cant see players wanting to stay at a club long term if they are not playing). once we get to a two tiered comp with 24 + teams, you will have the demand since teams will be pushing for success (even if that means not getting relegated) while there will be enough teams for a reserves comp where you could still keep costs down through making it regionally based / use hubs / etc. Forget promotion/relegation. Relegation would simply mean the end of that A-League club. One division is barely sustainable, let alone two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Forget promotion/relegation. Relegation would simply mean the end of that A-League club. One division is barely sustainable, let alone two. one of the major issues facing our game in the saturated Aussie market, and a big part of the reason our game needs to have restrictions on spending Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, mattyh001 said: one of the major issues facing our game in the saturated Aussie market, and a big part of the reason our game needs to have restrictions on spending The A-League is in such a mess that it's not going to be fixed by tinkering with one particular rule. FFA needs to take a step back and take an overall approach. And it doesn't need a team of consultants and glossy publications to do it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 24 minutes ago, jw1739 said: The A-League is in such a mess that it's not going to be fixed by tinkering with one particular rule. FFA needs to take a step back and take an overall approach. And it doesn't need a team of consultants and glossy publications to do it either. Geez @jw1739 I was going to cut you in on the action. You’ve just ruined my plan to fund my new Byron Bay lifestyle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtellingyou Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 In this situation the whole state is in a mess. City may be one of the better performing businesses. Having stood down less people and not lowering salaries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Shahanga said: Geez @jw1739 I was going to cut you in on the action. You’ve just ruined my plan to fund my new Byron Bay lifestyle. @Shahanga How can you go to Byron Bay when you're under house arrest in Melbourne? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missing_Moy Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 23 hours ago, Mr MO said: That’s something we have been looking out for, for many years now. It never happened, how would this season be any different especially with this small cap size? If they scrap the cap then the loan players are not an issue. The reason we don’t get loaned players is the salary cap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 9 hours ago, Shahanga said: I see what you’re saying @NewConvert but the clubs would have to be in a financial crisis. Given football is a world game you have a liquid market for services, so if you want a player of a certain quality you’ll have to pay or they will pursue other options. The PFA might argue a salary floor guarantees quality. Hardly. The best guarantee of quality is the need for Ws. I don’t know what the minimum wage is and whether it’s sensible, worth noting though that youth contract players can play in the A League. I do know the league is in a pickle. To navigate it they’ll need to be innovative and flexible and are better guided by concepts and principles rather than hard and fast rules. Ideas like structuring training to fit work better and having “near to retire” players on low football salaries but also with career bridging jobs organised by the club. Salary floor wouldn’t allow that, but at the moment probably be best for everyone. I still stand by the fact that at some stage young players will need to make a call in terms of financial planning (at least the well balanced ones). The A-League was in a pickle before the virus now it is well and truly in a pickle. Yes, creativity is required but the information trickling out indicates that the A-League are not actually trying to be creative. 7 hours ago, mattyh001 said: we need substantial expansion and promotion / relegation first IMO for any market to work you need both supply and demand. i just don't see how there are enough teams currently in the A League to create the required demand for significant transfer fees. outside of the big two teams in Melbourne and the big two in Sydney, i just dont see how the other clubs are going to spend much (particularly on a regular basis). plus there's no real reserve comp for clubs (largely due to cost), so i think clubs are in a pickle - I cant see clubs wanting 30+ players on their books if only 12-15 get regular game time (or for that fact I cant see players wanting to stay at a club long term if they are not playing). once we get to a two tiered comp with 24 + teams, you will have the demand since teams will be pushing for success (even if that means not getting relegated) while there will be enough teams for a reserves comp where you could still keep costs down through making it regionally based / use hubs / etc. Your assumption and it is a big assumption is that the more clubs (1st & 2nd tier) the public and the sponsors will follow. Me thinks not. I stand by what I wrote a long time ago. What is the difference between the old NSL and the new model that people keep on dreaming about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 Adelaide have officially announced that Gomukla is leaving, should only be a matter of time now before we announce him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 16 hours ago, jw1739 said: @Shahanga How can you go to Byron Bay when you're under house arrest in Melbourne? When I’m massively wealthy I can- it seems if you have enough money or status you are Covid immune (Byron is apparently full of these people; welcome to the new Australia) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Shahanga said: When I’m massively wealthy I can- it seems if you have enough money or status you are Covid immune (Byron is apparently full of these people; welcome to the new Australia) It says in the Bible somewhere "Unto him that hath shall even more be given." It's always been the same [hence the (initial) appeal of communism] - wealthy and privileged people telling poorer and less-privileged people what's good for them and what they have to do. (While you're under house arrest give "Animal Farm " a re-read.) Edited September 12, 2020 by jw1739 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 11/09/2020 at 10:09 AM, mattyh001 said: we need substantial expansion and promotion / relegation first IMO for any market to work you need both supply and demand. i just don't see how there are enough teams currently in the A League to create the required demand for significant transfer fees. outside of the big two teams in Melbourne and the big two in Sydney, i just dont see how the other clubs are going to spend much (particularly on a regular basis). plus there's no real reserve comp for clubs (largely due to cost), so i think clubs are in a pickle - I cant see clubs wanting 30+ players on their books if only 12-15 get regular game time (or for that fact I cant see players wanting to stay at a club long term if they are not playing). once we get to a two tiered comp with 24 + teams, you will have the demand since teams will be pushing for success (even if that means not getting relegated) while there will be enough teams for a reserves comp where you could still keep costs down through making it regionally based / use hubs / etc. 21 hours ago, NewConvert said: I still stand by the fact that at some stage young players will need to make a call in terms of financial planning (at least the well balanced ones). The A-League was in a pickle before the virus now it is well and truly in a pickle. Yes, creativity is required but the information trickling out indicates that the A-League are not actually trying to be creative. Your assumption and it is a big assumption is that the more clubs (1st & 2nd tier) the public and the sponsors will follow. Me thinks not. I stand by what I wrote a long time ago. What is the difference between the old NSL and the new model that people keep on dreaming about? one of the problems with the current setup is that we only have 5 games a week. Expand the league and you have more content from a broadcast perspective. That enables more sponsors to be seen (and more often where they sponsor the league), which in itself puts more money into the game (on top of a bigger broadcast deal). in terms of the fans, you are right in that it is a challenge to turn the public into supporters. I see it like "field of dreams" tho - build it and (then) they will come. you need teams there first before fans bases will grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 23 hours ago, NewConvert said: I still stand by the fact that at some stage young players will need to make a call in terms of financial planning (at least the well balanced ones). The A-League was in a pickle before the virus now it is well and truly in a pickle. Yes, creativity is required but the information trickling out indicates that the A-League are not actually trying to be creative. Your assumption and it is a big assumption is that the more clubs (1st & 2nd tier) the public and the sponsors will follow. Me thinks not. I stand by what I wrote a long time ago. What is the difference between the old NSL and the new model that people keep on dreaming about? I'm afraid that I agree with this. I think that with the right people at the helm we might be able to drag things out to a 16-team competition, but the creativity and energy levels demonstrated so far by FFA - even the "new FFA" - don't inspire me to have much confidence that we can do even that. And the clubs themselves also need the right people running them - City being a perfect example of how a couple of decisions pissed off a substantial number of its supporters to the extent that much of the growth in attendances has been lost - 2019-20 home derbies (both effectively pre-virus) only half-filling AAMI Park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Atkinson deal is in doubt now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, CityBoyz said: Atkinson deal is in doubt now We rather thought as much. Glory jumped the gun but City hadn't confirmed. Suspect Atkinson has had a change of heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, fensaddler said: We rather thought as much. Glory jumped the gun but City hadn't confirmed. Suspect Atkinson has had a change of heart. Yep also Perth haven’t paid their players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icantthinkofacoolname Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Perth & Tony Sage are a rabble atm. He’d be wise to stick with us if he can. I’d be very happy if he did too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 this sounds promising for us with Atkinson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted September 17, 2020 Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 Very nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2020 My disappointment remains - that we didn't value him sufficiently to keep him in the first place. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 3 hours ago, jw1739 said: My disappointment remains - that we didn't value him sufficiently to keep him in the first place. True, but in a salary cap league we never know what the club would need to do to meet a player’s demands and thus whether the deal made sense or not. I imagine the deal stopped looking so great to Atko when he saw the clip of the (then) new owner. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted September 18, 2020 Report Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Shahanga said: True, but in a salary cap league we never know what the club would need to do to meet a player’s demands and thus whether the deal made sense or not. I imagine the deal stopped looking so great to Atko when he saw the clip of the (then) new owner. Totally agree. I also think our 'valuation' of Natty pre COVID and post season are probably light years apart. He really kicked on in the back end of the season and even taking salary cap out of the equation, id suggest most clubs worldwide dont like paying more than they think a player is actually worth. Money is one aspect obviously, but i'm sure the fact that his destination club has gone from being that to a total joke in the space of a few months doesnt warm his cockles either. Edited September 18, 2020 by bt50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kingofhearts Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 Lmao what a ball's up move from Perth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 I am failing to see how they now cant sign and move across once the borders open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Dylan said: I am failing to see how they now cant sign and move across once the borders open Because Perth won't pay them until there's freedom of movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 things you love to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 This is one of the strangest transfers we have had in our history. But absolutely pimped he is back, if he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr MO Posted September 20, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, neio said: This is one of the strangest transfers we have had in our history. But absolutely pimped he is back, if he is Yes apparently our scouting department has been following him for several years now. They watched all the YouTube highlights and are impressed with what he can bring. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluka Posted September 20, 2020 Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 Absolutely rapt if he’s back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2020 I doubt that anything can be considered to be "finalised" until the League decides what it wants to happen next season - whenever that is. And that itself is dependent on many factors. I can't see how we can have a national league whilst there are still border restrictions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icantthinkofacoolname Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 Tilio, Gomulka and Sutton have all been officially announced. All 3 are really wonderful young signings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CityBoyz Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, icantthinkofacoolname said: Tilio, Gomulka and Sutton have all been officially announced. All 3 are really wonderful young signings. Also Tilio and Gomulka 3 year deals great long term prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 Same article points out Iannuci is leaving, but not sure where to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 17 hours ago, CityBoyz said: things you love to see Delighted. I love the way he plays and he's one of our key players until he gets the inevitable call from Europe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jw1739 Posted September 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 hours ago, HughJass said: My take on this is twofold. One, we're looking to field a fairly youthful side this year. and two, these guys would not be signing contracts with City if the club was not paying wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, jw1739 said: My take on this is twofold. One, we're looking to field a fairly youthful side this year. and two, these guys would not be signing contracts with City if the club was not paying wages. There replacing Genreau, Wales and Bouzanis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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