Tomi Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 19 hours ago, Mr MO said: Why suck up to somebody who is leaving? So he will hopefully change his mind and not leave, then they can stick him on a 2 year contract and keep him in their nursery. They did the same thing with arzani. He was leaving so they threw him into the team and look what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 48 minutes ago, Tomi said: So he will hopefully change his mind and not leave, then they can stick him on a 2 year contract and keep him in their nursery. They did the same thing with arzani. He was leaving so they threw him into the team and look what happened. They played Arzani more towards the end of the season to trigger his extension clause, those extra games tied him automatically to City for another year. Iām still convincedĀ Joyce was forced to play him by management as at the start of the season he had used any excuse under the sun not to select him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, Mr MO said: They played Arzani more towards the end of the season to trigger his extension clause, those extra games tied him automatically to City for another year. Iām still convincedĀ Joyce was forced to play him by management as at the start of the season he had used any excuse under the sun not to select him. I agree with you there. Looked like that to me also. A majorĀ interest for me for the rest of this season is to see just what Joyce does with Maclaren and Harrison. The latter especially has been portrayed as a "Joyce signing" and I'm going to be interested to see just how much match time he gets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 Yeh nah i dont buy that. Our squad was deep af at the start of last season, to the point we couldnt even get Kilkenny into it. There simply wasnt an opportunity to get an untried and untested kid like Arzani into the squad, esp when he had obvious fitness concerns. Eventually through injury and a few players leaving an opportunity presented, and he subsequently took it. Simple as that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 I would normally say 3-5-2 but looks like Good is out so its going to be 4-3-3 10 bucks says he throws Larocca into mid with Griffiths and Brats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, bt50 said: Yeh nah i dont buy that. Our squad was deep af at the start of last season, to the point we couldnt even get Kilkenny into it. There simply wasnt an opportunity to get an untried and untested kid like Arzani into the squad, esp when he had obvious fitness concerns. Eventually through injury and a few players leaving an opportunity presented, and he subsequently took it. Simple as that. Yep, that too he took his chanceĀ and his contract got extended and because of that CFG could sell and Joyce took him of the field at first opportunity for a sub. Why canāt it all be both? Thatās what Joyce is here for right, get these players developed and if they do move on because they are too goodĀ at least make some money out of them. So it was critical to keep within the group contractually.Ā Edited February 8, 2019 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 37 minutes ago, Mr MO said: Yep, that too he took his chanceĀ and his contract got extended and because of that CFG could sell and Joyce took him of the field at first opportunity for a sub. Why canāt it all be both? Thatās what Joyce is here for right, get these players developed and if they do move on because they are too goodĀ at least make some money out of them. So it was critical to keep within the group contractually.Ā I definitely dont think we played him to trigger his extension ; he was clearly holding his own, and more, in the side and was earning a game on merit. His game time gradually built and by seasons end he was playing close to 90 min most weeks. Also, imo we didnt want him to go and had every intention to keep him. His world cup drew so many suitors that in the end he got stars in his eyes andĀ he wanted to go, so CFG thought 'well if you're going to go abroad we may as well sign you because we think we can get better cash for you in a couple years time than we would if sold you now'. Just business sense once a decision had already been made by the player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrison Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 28 minutes ago, Mr MO said: 1. Thatās what Joyce is here for right, 2. get these players developed and if they do move on because they are too goodĀ at least make some money out of them. 3. So it was critical to keep within the group contractually.Ā 1. I'd say Joyce is here to help us win trophies. It's his primary focus, but there are other concerns like development that all managers have to consider.Ā 2. All clubs develop their own talent and then sell them if they become too good for the club or the league. This isn't exclusive to our club. 3. It's critical for every club to keepĀ talented players under contractĀ . Otherwise they walk andĀ you end up with nothing, especially if they're over a certain age and there's no compensation.Ā I'm not sure why everyone sees some hidden agenda with our club. Principles like commercial sustainability, youth development and contract managementĀ literally apply to every club in existence.Ā Ā 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 32 minutes ago, Harrison said: 1. I'd say Joyce is here to help us win trophies. It's his primary focus, but there are other concerns like development that all managers have to consider.Ā 2. All clubs develop their own talent and then sell them if they become too good for the club or the league. This isn't exclusive to our club. 3. It's critical for every club to keepĀ talented players under contractĀ . Otherwise they walk andĀ you end up with nothing, especially if they're over a certain age and there's no compensation.Ā I'm not sure why everyone sees some hidden agenda with our club. Principles like commercial sustainability, youth development and contract managementĀ literally apply to every club in existence.Ā Ā Yeah all correct. it's not a hidden agenda at all, for me it'sĀ plainly obvious what happened. The Arzani contract situation was well truly atĀ discussionĀ mid season well before the world cup and even before he became a regular starter. There was talks of him going back to Sydney due to lack of game time, Arzani's management also put pressure on the situation as he wasn't playing and coming out of contract. Everything you say is 100% correct and follow the mechanics of the commercial football world, ifĀ City didn't play him wasĀ essentially going to walk out of the door for free.Ā Without game time he could not show the world what he was capable of , this toĀ upkeep his player value. The rest is history he played well, City triggered the clause without having to renegotiated a new contract, CFG could sit back and relax during the world cup - it was a win win for both of them. I just sometimes think that we like to idealize the football world too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, bt50 said: Yeh nah i dont buy that. Our squad was deep af at the start of last season, to the point we couldnt even get Kilkenny into it. There simply wasnt an opportunity to get an untried and untested kid like Arzani into the squad, esp when he had obvious fitness concerns. Eventually through injury and a few players leaving an opportunity presented, and he subsequently took it. Simple as that. Couldn't or wouldn't get Kilkenny into it? I think suggesting Kilkenny wasn't good enough as a reflection of the strength of the squad is not quite right. Looking at his performances this season he'd get ahead of Baccus, Griffiths, Malik, and also Brattan.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, bt50 said: I definitely dont think we played him to trigger his extension ; he was clearly holding his own, and more, in the side and was earning a game on merit. His game time gradually built and by seasons end he was playing close to 90 min most weeks.Also, imo we didnt want him to go and had every intention to keep him. His world cup drew so many suitors that in the end he got stars in his eyes andĀ he wanted to go, so CFG thought 'well if you're going to go abroad we may as well sign you because we think we can get better cash for you in a couple years time than we would if sold you now'. Just business sense once a decision had already been made by the player. Exactly this Ā 1 hour ago, Harrison said: 1. I'd say Joyce is here to help us win trophies. It's his primary focus, but there are other concerns like development that all managers have to consider.Ā 2. All clubs develop their own talent and then sell them if they become too good for the club or the league. This isn't exclusive to our club. 3. It's critical for every club to keepĀ talented players under contractĀ . Otherwise they walk andĀ you end up with nothing, especially if they're over a certain age and there's no compensation.Ā I'm not sure why everyone sees some hidden agenda with our club. Principles like commercial sustainability, youth development and contract managementĀ literally apply to every club in existence.Ā Ā ..and this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, n i k o said: Couldn't or wouldn't get Kilkenny into it? I think suggesting Kilkenny wasn't good enough as a reflection of the strength of the squad is not quite right. Looking at his performances this season he'd get ahead of Baccus, Griffiths, Malik, and also Brattan.Ā My take at the time, whether you agree with it or not was this. Killa was in the team for R1, pulled out injured (or sick?), replaced by Malik who had a motm performance. Malik and Brattan then formed a pretty decent partnership in the following games and being the incumbents, couldnt be pushed out until they put in a poor shift. I think this is particularly true of Malik. IIRC the next two or three games Killa couldnt even get into the squad because we were winning and everyone was doing their role. We were also 4-0. Remember Joyce's team first ethic, particularly last season, whether you agree with it or not, seems to revolve around you dont get dropped if you play well. He eventually broke back into the squad in R5 when we played Sydney and came of the bench, with no real impact. This off the bench thing continued for the next two or three weeks from memory before he found himself out of the squad altogether. I stand to be corrected, but this was around the time when it was rumoured that he had a fall out with Joyce why he wasnt back starting, and obviously the rest is history. Im not suggesting he wasnt good enough by any stretch and clearly hes killing it this season. But i dont think its as cut and dry as not being good enough either. IMO basically it came down to Joyce preferring the Malik-Brattan partnership to the Killa-Brattan partnership, and the fact that the former was performing reasonably well made it hard for Killa to get in and prove that he was the better option anyway. IMO there was never any point where i thought Malik was a better player than Killa, and still don't, but for some strange reason the partnership of Ossie and Bratts seemed to workĀ better than Killa and Bratts that we'd seen the season before.Ā Edited February 8, 2019 by bt50 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jovan Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, bt50 said: My take at the time, whether you agree with it or not was this. Killa was in the team for R1, pulled out injured (or sick?), replaced by Malik who had a motm performance. Malik and Brattan then formed a pretty decent partnership in the following games and being the incumbents, couldnt be pushed out until they put in a poor shift. I think this is particularly true of Malik. IIRC the next two or three games Killa couldnt even get into the squad because we were winning and everyone was doing their role. We were also 4-0. Remember Joyce's team first ethic, particularly last season, whether you agree with it or not, seems to revolve around you dont get dropped if you play well. He eventually broke back into the squad in R5 when we played Sydney and came of the bench, with no real impact. This off the bench thing continued for the next two or three weeks from memory before he found himself out of the squad altogether. I stand to be corrected, but this was around the time when it was rumoured that he had a fall out with Joyce why he wasnt back starting, and obviously the rest is history. Im not suggesting he wasnt good enough by any stretch and clearly hes killing it this season. But i dont think its as cut and dry as not being good enough either. IMO basically it came down to Joyce preferring the Malik-Brattan partnership to the Killa-Brattan partnership, and the fact that the former was performing reasonably well made it hard for Killa to get in and prove that he was the better option anyway. IMO there was never any point where i thought Malik was a better player than Killa, and still don't, but for some strange reason the partnership of Ossie and Bratts seemed to workĀ better than Killa and Bratts that we'd seen the season before.Ā My memory was slightly different.Ā Your first part of being injured and then Brattan and Malik formed a partnership was as I remember. Then from my memory Brattan got dropped. It could have been the 1st derby not sure. But instead of Kila coming in Jakobsen was brought in. To his credit first up it was okay but after 2 or 3 games it was clear he wasn't up to it. Then Brattan came back.Ā I CBF checking but would be interested to be confirmed.Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Jovan said: My memory was slightly different.Ā Your first part of being injured and then Brattan and Malik formed a partnership was as I remember. Then from my memory Brattan got dropped. It could have been the 1st derby not sure. But instead of Kila coming in Jakobsen was brought in. To his credit first up it was okay but after 2 or 3 games it was clear he wasn't up to it. Then Brattan came back.Ā I CBF checking but would be interested to be confirmed.Ā Hmm completely forgot about Jakobsen playing CDM... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, Jovan said: My memory was slightly different.Ā Your first part of being injured and then Brattan and Malik formed a partnership was as I remember. Then from my memory Brattan got dropped. It could have been the 1st derby not sure. But instead of Kila coming in Jakobsen was brought in. To his credit first up it was okay but after 2 or 3 games it was clear he wasn't up to it. Then Brattan came back.Ā I CBF checking but would be interested to be confirmed.Ā Ā 11 minutes ago, rass said: Hmm completely forgot about Jakobsen playing CDM... Yeh same. Was it a Jako/Malik CDM pairing with Bratts as the 10? Who was playing 10? Jeepers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXIOM Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Mr MO said: They played Arzani more towards the end of the season to trigger his extension clause, those extra games tied him automatically to City for another year. Iām still convincedĀ Joyce was forced to play him by management as at the start of the season he had used any excuse under the sun not to select him. So if they had him for one more year then why did man city have to get involved and sign him on a 2 year man city contract?Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, bt50 said: My take at the time, whether you agree with it or not was this. Killa was in the team for R1, pulled out injured (or sick?), replaced by Malik who had a motm performance. Malik and Brattan then formed a pretty decent partnership in the following games and being the incumbents, couldnt be pushed out until they put in a poor shift. I think this is particularly true of Malik. IIRC the next two or three games Killa couldnt even get into the squad because we were winning and everyone was doing their role. We were also 4-0. Remember Joyce's team first ethic, particularly last season, whether you agree with it or not, seems to revolve around you dont get dropped if you play well. He eventually broke back into the squad in R5 when we played Sydney and came of the bench, with no real impact. This off the bench thing continued for the next two or three weeks from memory before he found himself out of the squad altogether. I stand to be corrected, but this was around the time when it was rumoured that he had a fall out with Joyce why he wasnt back starting, and obviously the rest is history. Im not suggesting he wasnt good enough by any stretch and clearly hes killing it this season. But i dont think its as cut and dry as not being good enough either. IMO basically it came down to Joyce preferring the Malik-Brattan partnership to the Killa-Brattan partnership, and the fact that the former was performing reasonably well made it hard for Killa to get in and prove that he was the better option anyway. IMO there was never any point where i thought Malik was a better player than Killa, and still don't, but for some strange reason the partnership of Ossie and Bratts seemed to workĀ better than Killa and Bratts that we'd seen the season before.Ā I think you are right on most accounts there. I suppose he couldn't get in from that perspective.Ā Where this argument, for want of a better word, is going is back to Joyce decisions making to be able utilise and choose his better players.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, n i k o said: I think you are right on most accounts there. I suppose he couldn't get in from that perspective.Ā Where this argument, for want of a better word, is going is back to Joyce decisions making to be able utilise and choose his better players.Ā Yeh i suppose when you recruit a wealth of midfielders and can only play 3, and then choose to play the picked on your last performance game, you back yourself into a corner in terms of a selection policy. I can appreciate his logic behind the philosophy tbh, but ultimately i just dont think its a good philosophy unless you have the very best players available, which you'll never get in a salary capped league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 Kilkenny did not start a single match for us in 2017/18. He was not in the squad for the first four rounds, came on in the 76th minute in Round 5 (lost 0-1), was on the bench in Round 6, (drew 1-1), came on in the 46th in Round 7 (lost 3-1) and in the 78th in Round 8 (lost 1-3). Thereafter he was excluded from every match-day squad. He went to Perth in the January window, and played the full duration of every one of their last 10 matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 18 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Kilkenny did not start a single match for us in 2017/18. He was not in the squad for the first four rounds, came on in the 76th minute in Round 5 (lost 0-1), was on the bench in Round 6, (drew 1-1), came on in the 46th in Round 7 (lost 3-1) and in the 78th in Round 8 (lost 1-3). Thereafter he was excluded from every match-day squad. He went to Perth in the January window, and played the full duration of every one of their last 10 matches. Technicality i know, but he was definitely in the 'squad' for the Round 1 match v Brisbane and was a late withdrawal due to illness i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inchcolm Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 I do not think we will any change to his formation 4:2:3:1 ......................Galekovic De Laet, Delbridge, Schenkeveld, Jamieson ................Griffiths, Brattan ..Wales...........Ā McGree.............Berenguer .......................Maclaren 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 7 hours ago, Afif Adam said: anddddd breath start on the bench? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afif Adam Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 start birighitti 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dconder13 Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 24 minutes ago, Afif Adam said: start birighitti Agrees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 I am starting to get a feeling like this will probably end up like the Sydney game. Big build up, large crowd and then we will go embarrass ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IssySG Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 For those that are interested, the newly formed Melbourne City Terrace are encouraging everyone to get down to The Imp before the game, and they'll be leaving for Aami Park at 7:00pm. The atmosphere won't come back without people getting involved, if you're in a position too, come down to the Imp and have a drink with fellow City Fans. Happy game day people, up the City Boys! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moops Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Great weather for football, hopefully it will be a good game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afif Adam Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 So what we expecting to crack at lest 10k today?Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Afif Adam said: So what we expecting to crack at lest 10k today?Ā Not a chanceĀ Maybe 9 at most, but more likely closer to 7500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afif Adam Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, neio said: Not a chanceĀ Maybe 9 at most, but more likely closer to 7500 Never thought Iād see the season whereĀ a welly home game would get a bigger crowd than us, Rudan is a geniusĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityWildcat Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 I'm strangely pumped for this game.Ā See you there.Ā I'll join the terrace...Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Afif Adam said: So what we expecting to crack at lest 10k today?Ā Look out the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 3-4-3 no defensive mids hold on to your hats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) Nice... Reckon it will be 4-3-3 with Good CDM. Edited February 9, 2019 by rass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Just now, rass said: Nice... Now this is sexy! Most hyped I have been for a game in a long time!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, haz said: Now this is sexy! Most hyped I have been for a game in a long time!!! Agree.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXIOM Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, rass said: Agree.Ā Agree x 2 just need to play well and win. That has to be easy enoughĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dconder13 Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 Left laneway for this we better fkn win, fire up!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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