belaguttman Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 good first half from us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Too many similar players up front, and no-one with the ball control needed at this level. Certainly need Arzani to spark them up a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Great first half, tactically and strategically solid. Amazing what a great coach can do to a relatively mediocre team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Polak Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Havent seen this much diving in a long time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 I don't know how to feel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Decent result against a team of champions, I think it holds us in good stead for the next 2 games. Qualifying for the next round seem realistic. Well done fellas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Polak Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, haz said: I don't know how to feel Optimistic against the remaining games. I feel this is a more disciplined, intellegent and structured team compared to the postecoglou era. I reckon leckie or kruse should have been subbed off around the 70-75th minute. They looked really exhausted also, a sunday league player can cross a better ball than risdon Edited June 16, 2018 by Young Polak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Personally I am really happy with that. Although I think the final score is the right result, I reckon we can hold our heads high after that performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever City Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) Shit result and some questionable reffing but couldn't have been more proud of our boys. Onto Denmark. Edited June 16, 2018 by Forever City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 A disciplined display from the Socceroos, unlucky to concede the second goal. Definite penalty to France, even if unlucky for Risdon: he touched the ball that ricocheted off Griezman's foot, the Risdon's leg caught his trailing leg and fouled him. The game was decided by cms. Good to see Arzani on, hopefully, he gets longer now. Our luck, this time VAR worked 58 minutes ago, Young Polak said: Havent seen this much diving in a long time Not since the gold medal performance by Grosso 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, belaguttman said: A disciplined display from the Socceroos, unlucky to concede the second goal. Definite penalty to France, even if unlucky for Risdon: he touched the ball that ricocheted off Griezman's foot, the Risdon's leg caught his trailing leg and fouled him. The game was decided by cms. Good to see Arzani on, hopefully, he gets longer now. Our luck, this time VAR worked If that's the official line by Fifa then that's bullshit. Got the ball first, nothing dangerous in the challenge. Basically means you can't tackle. Very 50/50 situation, which means you go with the on field ref decision (has to be obvious error). FWIW I would say the same about backing the on field ref if it had gone against us initially. >>>> Thought we did well, and is reflected in the frustration at the result. Would have taken a 2-1 loss at the start, and thought we push them harder than most would have believed we would have beforehand Hopefully the boys use it as fuel for the fire. Edited June 16, 2018 by mattyh001 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 we're ghana win the leg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) The Peru "Heart" sash Edited June 16, 2018 by haz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 It's offical. Risdon got a touch. #fuckVAR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 1 hour ago, HeartFc said: #fuckVAR Why are er even surprised? But I have to admit, VAR at the WC is much more streamline without having a sponsor attached. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 2-0 surely got this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bt50 Posted June 16, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 My take on the pen is that I'm ok with the ref calling it, but imo theres no way thats a clear and obvious error to be overturned either way. I think the VAR overstepped its jurisdiction. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 9 hours ago, mattyh001 said: If that's the official line by Fifa then that's bullshit. Got the ball first, nothing dangerous in the challenge. Basically means you can't tackle. Very 50/50 situation, which means you go with the on field ref decision (has to be obvious error). FWIW I would say the same about backing the on field ref if it had gone against us initially. >>>> Thought we did well, and is reflected in the frustration at the result. Would have taken a 2-1 loss at the start, and thought we push them harder than most would have believed we would have beforehand Hopefully the boys use it as fuel for the fire. Watch what happens after Risdon touches the ball, it ricochets off Griezman's leg so he's had the last touch, then Risdon's leg catches his trailing leg - foul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, belaguttman said: Watch what happens after Risdon touches the ball, it ricochets off Griezman's leg so he's had the last touch, then Risdon's leg c bunatches his trailing leg - foul Given the tackles been made in the one action, who touches last is not necessarily that relevant. The rules look at the recklessness and carelessness of the tackler (that is to say when contact is made with the ball when the tackle has been applied and not who touches last). There are also so many instances where the tackled player has a late-second swing / heavy touch you can say possession has been lost in the tackle, and that body contact is unavoidable / not the be all end all of the situation. If anything last night Griezeman's last night was super heavy, implying that Risdon had made enough contact on the ball with his tackle to cause Griezeman to loss control over the ball. To punish players for body contact after winning the ball for me means the game is trying to get rid of the tackle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 1 hour ago, bt50 said: My take on the pen is that I'm ok with the ref calling it, but imo theres no way thats a clear and obvious error to be overturned either way. I think the VAR overstepped its jurisdiction. I agree with that. Overall the match went the way I expected it to go, but on the day we gave as good as we got and France didn't look like world-beaters at all. "In my day" and before VAR plenty of refs would have waved play on even for France's second, because the ball couldn't have crossed the line by more than an inch. On the first replay I saw it was not clear that it had. So, stiff result for us. I would still like to throw VAR into the bin, but I know it won't happen. IMO the challenge for Australian football is what it always has been - improve the technical skills of the players so that we can be more creative going forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 13 hours ago, playmaker said: Great first half, tactically and strategically solid. Amazing what a great coach can do to a relatively mediocre team. Pity all that will go to shit when Arnie comes in. And there will be no VAR to help him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Tony999 said: Pity all that will go to shit when Arnie comes in. And there will be no VAR to help him. Don't know about that, Arnie knows the current system quite well so I have faith that he will continue the current style. In the post match interview Van Marwijk basically said when he got the team it was a mess, if you get a chance listen to it as it is pretty revealing and confirms that what Ange was doing was junk and how he has great respect for the Australian players. As for the penalty, well, it could have called either way but I am more than comfortable with it being called a penalty. I have no issue with Risdon because if he didn't attempt a tackle it was surely a goal anyway. I am so proud of the team and after watching the Denmark v Peru I think we have a great chance of winning both games due to their defences being so much weaker than France's. France should beat both teams easily and if we play like we did last night we should win both our remaining games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 2 hours ago, mattyh001 said: Given the tackles been made in the one action, who touches last is not necessarily that relevant. The rules look at the recklessness and carelessness of the tackler (that is to say when contact is made with the ball when the tackle has been applied and not who touches last). There are also so many instances where the tackled player has a late-second swing / heavy touch you can say possession has been lost in the tackle, and that body contact is unavoidable / not the be all end all of the situation. If anything last night Griezeman's last night was super heavy, implying that Risdon had made enough contact on the ball with his tackle to cause Griezeman to loss control over the ball. To punish players for body contact after winning the ball for me means the game is trying to get rid of the tackle Reasonable comments, my comment was just that there was a foul committed after the ball was touched by Griezman but was it a 'clear and obvious error' by the on-field ref? Probably not. VAR should be there to review for 'clear and obvious errors', not to re-referee the game 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Give azarni more time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 3 hours ago, mattyh001 said: Given the tackles been made in the one action, who touches last is not necessarily that relevant. The rules look at the recklessness and carelessness of the tackler (that is to say when contact is made with the ball when the tackle has been applied and not who touches last). There are also so many instances where the tackled player has a late-second swing / heavy touch you can say possession has been lost in the tackle, and that body contact is unavoidable / not the be all end all of the situation. If anything last night Griezeman's last night was super heavy, implying that Risdon had made enough contact on the ball with his tackle to cause Griezeman to loss control over the ball. To punish players for body contact after winning the ball for me means the game is trying to get rid of the tackle Yes. Body contact in itself is not foul play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 1 hour ago, playmaker said: Don't know about that, Arnie knows the current system quite well so I have faith that he will continue the current style. In the post match interview Van Marwijk basically said when he got the team it was a mess, if you get a chance listen to it as it is pretty revealing and confirms that what Ange was doing was junk and how he has great respect for the Australian players. As for the penalty, well, it could have called either way but I am more than comfortable with it being called a penalty. I have no issue with Risdon because if he didn't attempt a tackle it was surely a goal anyway. I am so proud of the team and after watching the Denmark v Peru I think we have a great chance of winning both games due to their defences being so much weaker than France's. France should beat both teams easily and if we play like we did last night we should win both our remaining games. I think France would want to top the group as they play the winners/runners up from the unofficially labelled "Group of Death". In terms of Ange, to me he was always shithouse so no further comment required there. Arnie, well we all know how shithouse his team was in the Asian Champions League.Have zero faith in him leading the Socceroos.. Next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 France’s Hernandez Cleared To Play Next Game Despite Sustaining 11 Separate ConcussionsBy The Shovel on June 17, 2018 In what has been described as a miracle recovery, France’s Lucas Hernandez will line up against Peru next week despite suffering from 11 concussions and a broken leg in the game against Australia.Hernandez – who also sustained a spinal injury in the second half – bravely played out the game against Australia even though he broke his leg in the 11th minute, and was frequently concussed.“It’s amazing how he gets these quite serious injuries game after game, but then seems to recover. It’s so brave,” one observer said.Doctors are concerned for Hernandez’s safety should he come up against serious physical contact in the next game. “If he is actually pushed or elbowed, there are concerns he might die,” one medical professional said. http://www.theshovel.com.au/2018/06/17/frances-hernandez-cleared-to-play-next-game-despite-sustaining-11-separate-concussions/ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 The team did themselves proud - with one exception. Why is Rogic in the NT at all? He was just as effective as I was here in Oz. FFS it is time to bench him and then ditch him altogether from the NT. Start with either Luongo or Irvine but the team does not need a passenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Agree, Rogic offers little in international level games. He's a star in the SPL but he's stayed there for a good reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) I am on the fence with Rogic but to his defence he was manned up by Kante who is arguably the best DM in the world, not to mention Umtiti and Pogba also covering the space. I would say he will get a bit more freedom with Denmark and Peru where the opposition around him are far less talented. Edited June 17, 2018 by playmaker 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 26 minutes ago, playmaker said: I am on the fence with Rogic but to his defence he was manned up by Kante who is arguably the best DM in the world, not to mention Umtiti and Pogba also covering the space. I would say he will get a bit more freedom with Denmark and Peru where the opposition around him are far less talented. Nice mate a sensible comment! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 26 minutes ago, playmaker said: I am on the fence with Rogic but to his defence he was manned up by Kante who is arguably the best DM in the world, not to mention Umtiti and Pogba also covering the space. I would say he will get a bit more freedom with Denmark and Peru where the opposition around him are far less talented. Probably the only tactical mistake we made was having him out there too long. But as they say- 70% of the earth is covered in water, the rest is covered by Kante. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 1 hour ago, belaguttman said: Agree, Rogic offers little in international level games. He's a star in the SPL but he's stayed there for a good reason Or perhaps (as I see it) because he plays in the SPL/NPL he is shocked when he comes up against quality opposition and doesn’t know what to do about it. i agree he was our weak link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/world-cup/france-leftback-lucas-hernandez-admits-he-exaggerates-fouls-as-part-of-the-spectacle/news-story/ff582da2c6d94cb6df68b603a5ee8f83 Wanker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 I agree that Rogic was up against a pretty formidable midfield trio but he's not been much better against Syria 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 38 minutes ago, belaguttman said: I agree that Rogic was up against a pretty formidable midfield trio but he's not been much better against Syria Just like the SPL, he only performs against Minnows (which is the entire SPL! Sorry rangers) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 Blaming any player is easier with hindsight, and would like to know how we / who would have played it better had Rogic not started. Rogic was there to tuck in when defending, sit in hole / help semi press on half way and transition when attacking. @thisphantomfortress is right he was probably right that he was out there 5-10 mins maybe to long, but then the question becomes is to what degree did Irvine benefit from being fresh against opposition that were tiring after actually starting? For me, each player did well. Circumstances led to a result less than deserved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 I think we would have been better off playing Luongo/Irvine from the start and bringing on Rogic late, he was never going to have an impact given his opponents (Kante in particular). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, haz said: https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/world-cup/france-leftback-lucas-hernandez-admits-he-exaggerates-fouls-as-part-of-the-spectacle/news-story/ff582da2c6d94cb6df68b603a5ee8f83 Wanker Football could introduce a "pink cards" system. When match reviews show players to be diving, issue a "pink card" and suspend the players on a certain number of accumulated cards. And make them wear a pink armband for the rest of the season to show the world what they are. Diving is a blight on the game. The way this guy went down holding his head when the contact - if any - had been to his back disgusted me. Edited June 17, 2018 by jw1739 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted June 18, 2018 Report Share Posted June 18, 2018 Pink cards. Come on @jw1739. Leave the game as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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