Round 6: City v Central Coast Mariners

[Kiro Kompiro]

 

 

Agree about playing them too early.

 

If the young ones had come on and missed their goals, some on hear would be baying for their blood. Luckily they didn't.

 

But was their performance good luck, actual brilliance, youthful exuberance or what? It is a very fine line between being successful and being a dud.

 

I for one would after "blooding" them give them more minutes when the game is not at stake and giving them more time to show their worth and have them reproduce the performance rather than just starting them into it immediately.

 

Marino's finish was not luck. His was a striker's finish

 

Those "easy tap ins" are far from easy.  The hardest part is getting your timing right so that you meet the ball at the right time which is coming at you at pace and at 90 degrees to your motion and where you need it end up, and stay on-side.

 

I had one go at it in a real game once upon a time, and was promptly put back in the middle at half time.

 

He is arguing against throwing Marino into the deep end... not knocking his ability which obv has everyone excited

 

So you seriously think we should start Marino?

 

 

No but I'd gave him half an hour.

[MaliMate]

Seeing as Williams scored his position doesn't warrant being lost to Marino. Williams should be started and Marino should still be a sub. Same with Melling, although if it came down to Retre or Melling I'd be giving the later the nod to start.

I am hardly a Williams Fanboy and even I think his performance against Brisbane warrants reselection... the only way I can see us winning this game without Mooy (And Koren) is by sitting back again and relying on Williams speed.

Relying on Williams to win us a game. Yeahnah.

CCM are a rabble, don't see how they'll score against us let alone win. 3-0 City.

[Heart of Melbourne]

If Kalmar does come in and start this could benefit the team. I see this as his last opportunity to make a difference and play well. Let's wait and see. Must win game. We dropped this game the season is finished.

[Cityscape]

Redmayne

Hoffman - Kisnorbo - Wieleart - Ramsay

Paartalu

Miller - Garuccio

Duff - Williams -  Dugandzic

[perthheart]

Not really a finished season if we lose. It's the a-league. We didn't win in how many rounds last season? And after one short run of results we were back in contention for the finals. Strange we are looking better away from home this year than at home. Although I do remember that being a trait of JVS' first stint. Teams coming out at us away from home gives our pacy players more chances to do some damage as witnessed v the roar.

CCM are exactly the kind of team we always lose to. Have we ever even beaten them? Still wake up with cold sweats from the memory of that game that we absolutely destroyed them for 89 minutes then lost in the last minute to a Adam fucking Kwasnik goal. This isn't the Mariners of old though. If we nick one early we could score a bag. Either that or we will lose 1-0.

[Victards]

i would keep the team the same, just with Miller slotting into Mooy's position. We should win this game, although CCM play such a fucking boring and shit game style (similar to ours mind you) and we always find it hard to break them down. We need a change of plan/game style just to switch it up a bit when we verse such defensive/counter-attacking teams. Nonetheless, hopeful for the 3 points!

[n i k o]

although CCM play such a fucking boring and shit game style (similar to ours mind you)

Hold on, what????

[cadete]

 

 

Seeing as Williams scored his position doesn't warrant being lost to Marino. Williams should be started and Marino should still be a sub. Same with Melling, although if it came down to Retre or Melling I'd be giving the later the nod to start.

I am hardly a Williams Fanboy and even I think his performance against Brisbane warrants reselection... the only way I can see us winning this game without Mooy (And Koren) is by sitting back again and relying on Williams speed.

Relying on Williams to win us a game. Yeahnah.

CCM are a rabble, don't see how they'll score against us let alone win. 3-0 City.

 

Well building from the back has so far won us nothing but a couple of draws, a loss to Adelaide and a flogging from the Mongs.

[MaliMate]

 

 

 

Seeing as Williams scored his position doesn't warrant being lost to Marino. Williams should be started and Marino should still be a sub. Same with Melling, although if it came down to Retre or Melling I'd be giving the later the nod to start.

I am hardly a Williams Fanboy and even I think his performance against Brisbane warrants reselection... the only way I can see us winning this game without Mooy (And Koren) is by sitting back again and relying on Williams speed.

Relying on Williams to win us a game. Yeahnah.

CCM are a rabble, don't see how they'll score against us let alone win. 3-0 City.

 

Well building from the back has so far won us nothing but a couple of draws, a loss to Adelaide and a flogging from the Mongs.

 

I'll forgive you for not having watched any CCM games this season, they're awful. If we play like we have all season we will no doubt win.

 

I may exaggerate at times, but I do firmly believe we would win this game even with John Aloisi in charge.

[cadete]

 

 

 

 

Seeing as Williams scored his position doesn't warrant being lost to Marino. Williams should be started and Marino should still be a sub. Same with Melling, although if it came down to Retre or Melling I'd be giving the later the nod to start.

I am hardly a Williams Fanboy and even I think his performance against Brisbane warrants reselection... the only way I can see us winning this game without Mooy (And Koren) is by sitting back again and relying on Williams speed.

Relying on Williams to win us a game. Yeahnah.

CCM are a rabble, don't see how they'll score against us let alone win. 3-0 City.

 

Well building from the back has so far won us nothing but a couple of draws, a loss to Adelaide and a flogging from the Mongs.

 

I'll forgive you for not having watched any CCM games this season, they're awful. If we play like we have all season we will no doubt win.

 

I may exaggerate at times, but I do firmly believe we would win this game even with John Aloisi in charge.

 

Fair Enuf - I respect your opinion on this kind of stuff so bring on the three points.

Edited November 11, 2014 by cadete

[Herman Cain]

 

 

 

 

Seeing as Williams scored his position doesn't warrant being lost to Marino. Williams should be started and Marino should still be a sub. Same with Melling, although if it came down to Retre or Melling I'd be giving the later the nod to start.

I am hardly a Williams Fanboy and even I think his performance against Brisbane warrants reselection... the only way I can see us winning this game without Mooy (And Koren) is by sitting back again and relying on Williams speed.

Relying on Williams to win us a game. Yeahnah.

CCM are a rabble, don't see how they'll score against us let alone win. 3-0 City.

 

Well building from the back has so far won us nothing but a couple of draws, a loss to Adelaide and a flogging from the Mongs.

 

I'll forgive you for not having watched any CCM games this season, they're awful. If we play like we have all season we will no doubt win.

 

I may exaggerate at times, but I do firmly believe we would win this game even with John Aloisi in charge.

 

 

We won these types of games more often under Aloisi.  I'm pretty sure he won more home games in his first season than JVS ever has.

[MaliMate]

 

 

 

 

 

Seeing as Williams scored his position doesn't warrant being lost to Marino. Williams should be started and Marino should still be a sub. Same with Melling, although if it came down to Retre or Melling I'd be giving the later the nod to start.

I am hardly a Williams Fanboy and even I think his performance against Brisbane warrants reselection... the only way I can see us winning this game without Mooy (And Koren) is by sitting back again and relying on Williams speed.

Relying on Williams to win us a game. Yeahnah.

CCM are a rabble, don't see how they'll score against us let alone win. 3-0 City.

 

Well building from the back has so far won us nothing but a couple of draws, a loss to Adelaide and a flogging from the Mongs.

 

I'll forgive you for not having watched any CCM games this season, they're awful. If we play like we have all season we will no doubt win.

 

I may exaggerate at times, but I do firmly believe we would win this game even with John Aloisi in charge.

 

Fair Enuf - I respect your opinion on this kind of stuff so bring on the three points.

 

I may be talking through my pocket though for what it is worth. Backed Perth to win to nil on the weekend and enjoyed watching CCM not even scare me one bit for 90 minutes on their own home turf. Moss has definitely lost the playing group from what I can gather.

[Shahanga]

 

Agree about playing them too early.

 

If the young ones had come on and missed their goals, some on hear would be baying for their blood. Luckily they didn't.

 

But was their performance good luck, actual brilliance, youthful exuberance or what? It is a very fine line between being successful and being a dud.

 

I for one would after "blooding" them give them more minutes when the game is not at stake and giving them more time to show their worth and have them reproduce the performance rather than just starting them into it immediately.

 

Marino's finish was not luck. His was a striker's finish

 

Those "easy tap ins" are far from easy.  The hardest part is getting your timing right so that you meet the ball at the right time which is coming at you at pace and at 90 degrees to your motion and where you need it end up, and stay on-side.

 

I had one go at it in a real game once upon a time, and was promptly put back in the middle at half time.

 

Outa likes.

 

Anyone who doesn't rate "tap ins", hasn't played up front, on the wing (and watched them sail harmlessly across goals, like Ramsay's Class A cross last week) or coached a team that let good chances go begging simply because no one got into the right spot.

 

If tap ins were so bloody easy then all forwards would get 6 or 7 a year, but you know what?  They don't.  Its only guys like Van Nistelroy and our own Willo who do.  Marino has only had 2 appearances off the bench, but second time up he showed great instinct to get on the scoreboard.  Not getting too carried away though -early days, but if he works hard etc etc he might have a bright future.  Keep him on the bench.

[Jovan]

 

 

Agree about playing them too early.

 

If the young ones had come on and missed their goals, some on hear would be baying for their blood. Luckily they didn't.

 

But was their performance good luck, actual brilliance, youthful exuberance or what? It is a very fine line between being successful and being a dud.

 

I for one would after "blooding" them give them more minutes when the game is not at stake and giving them more time to show their worth and have them reproduce the performance rather than just starting them into it immediately.

 

Marino's finish was not luck. His was a striker's finish

 

Those "easy tap ins" are far from easy.  The hardest part is getting your timing right so that you meet the ball at the right time which is coming at you at pace and at 90 degrees to your motion and where you need it end up, and stay on-side.

 

I had one go at it in a real game once upon a time, and was promptly put back in the middle at half time.

 

Outa likes.

 

Anyone who doesn't rate "tap ins", hasn't played up front, on the wing (and watched them sail harmlessly across goals, like Ramsay's Class A cross last week) or coached a team that let good chances go begging simply because no one got into the right spot.

 

If tap ins were so bloody easy then all forwards would get 6 or 7 a year, but you know what?  They don't.  Its only guys like Van Nistelroy and our own Willo who do.  Marino has only had 2 appearances off the bench, but second time up he showed great instinct to get on the scoreboard.  Not getting too carried away though -early days, but if he works hard etc etc he might have a bright future.  Keep him on the bench.

 

Marino's run was almost text book, angled towards near post. Very pleasing to see on his second run. He also laid a clever pass to Mooy who then hit the crossbar. If he can be this effective in the coming weeks in 15 to 20 minute cameos late in the game then he may turn into a real prospect.  

[Red or Dead]

We've played Central Coast 12 times:

Lost: 8

Won: 1

Drew: 3

 

This season:

MCY: D-D-L-L-W | 5pts | 6th

CCM: L-W-L-L-L  | 3pts | 7th

[malloy]

Agree about playing them too early.

If the young ones had come on and missed their goals, some on hear would be baying for their blood. Luckily they didn't.

But was their performance good luck, actual brilliance, youthful exuberance or what? It is a very fine line between being successful and being a dud.

I for one would after "blooding" them give them more minutes when the game is not at stake and giving them more time to show their worth and have them reproduce the performance rather than just starting them into it immediately.

Marino's finish was not luck. His was a striker's finish

Those "easy tap ins" are far from easy. The hardest part is getting your timing right so that you meet the ball at the right time which is coming at you at pace and at 90 degrees to your motion and where you need it end up, and stay on-side.

I had one go at it in a real game once upon a time, and was promptly put back in the middle at half time.

Outa likes.

Anyone who doesn't rate "tap ins", hasn't played up front, on the wing (and watched them sail harmlessly across goals, like Ramsay's Class A cross last week) or coached a team that let good chances go begging simply because no one got into the right spot.

If tap ins were so bloody easy then all forwards would get 6 or 7 a year, but you know what? They don't. Its only guys like Van Nistelroy and our own Willo who do. Marino has only had 2 appearances off the bench, but second time up he showed great instinct to get on the scoreboard. Not getting too carried away though -early days, but if he works hard etc etc he might have a bright future. Keep him on the bench.

Ramsey's cross was not a class A cross, far from it. It went to no one. The biggest factor in a pass/cross being good is getting it to a team mate.

You can't expect your team mates to be where you want to pass/cross it to. Yes the forwards are at fault for not getting into the box, but for Ramsay to not even look up and see who he is trying to get the ball to is amateur stuff.

[silva10]

Well hopefully Melling or Garuccio replaces Retre

 

It does seem Miller will replace Mooy.

 

Personally I would prefer Duff to play alongside Melling with Garuccio coming in to play wide left and Duga wide right.

[HeartinHobart]

We've played Central Coast 12 times:

Lost: 8

Won: 1

Drew: 3

This season:

MCY: D-D-L-L-W | 5pts | 6th

CCM: L-W-L-L-L | 3pts | 7th

Those stats are more attractive then Perth Glory's record at Bluetongue prior to Sunday. Didn't stop them.

[InMyHeart]

People are so blind I swear... Williams pressing is outstanding, it's something that we missed with villa playing, Williams is a good a league player and we are definitely a better team with him playing

[Nate]

I doubt Phil Moss is the kind of guy to inspire any confidence within a squad, let alone an already boring Mariners side which has lost some of its most effective players.

 

That said, it's stupid to suggest we're a shoe-in considering our history and the Mariners' history and I can't really see it being a walk in the park, especially without our talisman Mooy. Miller is a handy replacement but we can't rely on him to interact with the players around him in the same way as Mooy has as he hasn't had time to gel. So I guess it'll be interesting to see what sort of tactics JVS decides to employ against a Mariners side which will more than likely park the bus and counter, hopefully the boys don't rest on last week's laurels and are hungry to win consecutive games.

[NewConvert]

After 4 and a bit seasons, any supporter of this club that thinks that the team is a shoe-in against any other club, has not been paying attention.

[KSK_47]

I wouldn't say we are a shoe in, but CCM are not the unit they have been in the past. We are a good chance to win this IMO

[mattyh001]

I wouldn't say we are a shoe in, but CCM are not the unit they have been in the past. We are a good chance to win this IMO

 

agreed, and would have thought our win last week helped the players' confidence a fair bit too.

 

the big issue i see for us this week is the way the team builds its attacks.  we just havent looked (a.) able to play the ball in behind deep lying teams quickly when on the counter, nor (b.) struggle to find a good ball into the box with possession based build up play.

 

last week we got away with it given how high the Brisbane defense sat - they gave us too much space.  

 

then again CCM have been shite all season.  their only win came against Newcastle; a team we should have beat and IIRC the Mariners only won thanks to a very late / flukey / lucky set piece.  as KSK47 rightly points out, in the past the Mariners have been a lot better as a unit than they are currently.

 

they also have a trip to Adelaide tonight in the FFA Cup.  that cant help - especially if Adelaide trounce them

Edited November 11, 2014 by mattyh001

[Tonyboozeadams]

Expecting paartalu to step up with mooy out. Bloke needs a big game. And the Mariners midfield and forward line should afford him some time on the ball

[mus-28]

I've watched every CCM game so far and they've been soundly outplayed in all of them. Moss is possibly a worse coach than Aloisi. Picking favourites, playing players out of position, making strange substitutions, the list goes on. He's setting them up for a guaranteed wooden spoon, if we can't win this game, we're fucked.

[japiedog]

CCM are going to park and lock  the bus.

 

Unfortunately for us , I don't see any of our players having the  keys to open it

we don't have ( at the moment) a creative #10 to unlock a defence like that

Last week win was based on a couple of mistakes and turnovers in transition by Brisbane going forward.

the third goal was on them pushing forward and leaving themselves exposed at the back.

 

CCM aren't going to come out and "play" , they will try and hit us on the break

 

I'm seeing 0-0 ,  at best 1-0 to us possibly 1-0 to CCM

 

Hope that I am totally wrong

Edited November 12, 2014 by japiedog

[Fentonthescreamingcactus]

if we can manage to score early we should go on and win easy but if its locked 0-0 at the half we wont be getting the three points

[Kiro Kompiro]

I've watched every CCM game so far and they've been soundly outplayed in all of them. Moss is possibly a worse coach than Aloisi. Picking favourites, playing players out of position, making strange substitutions, the list goes on. He's setting them up for a guaranteed wooden spoon, if we can't win this game, we're fucked.

 

See it was Moss's head we saw on the bench next to Arnold for years at the Mariners, wasn't it?  So, what, Moss didn't learn a fricken' thing there?  WTF was he doing: spectating?  We're not talking  6 mths here, the guy was there for years.

[Murfy1]

I wouldn't say we are a shoe in, but CCM are not the unit they have been in the past. We are a good chance to win this IMO

 

This is pretty much my view. I think we're a pretty good chance, if only because CCM are a lot weaker than they used to be.

 

Also, I think the FFA Cup match tonight against Adelaide could be the most important factor in making this Sunday's match likely to result in a Melbourne City win. CCM will have to play a lot of their 1st choice players to compete with Adelaide, so they'll have a lot of tired players come Sunday's match. Also, Adelaide are justifiably well tipped IMO to win tonight, which will hurt CCM confidence. And lastly, the Mariners are foolishly flying up to Adelaide, then flying back to Gosford, then flying out to Melbourne for our match all between today and Sunday, and that will take it's toll.

 

 

So this is a match Melbourne City should win, and I reckon are likely to get the best result in. It reminds me of last season's final derby, where we played a team that was softened up by mid-week football, so I'm pretty expectant that Melbourne City (who should be what they rarely are, confident, like they were before that final derby) will get a good result.

Edited November 12, 2014 by Murfy1

[mus-28]

 

I've watched every CCM game so far and they've been soundly outplayed in all of them. Moss is possibly a worse coach than Aloisi. Picking favourites, playing players out of position, making strange substitutions, the list goes on. He's setting them up for a guaranteed wooden spoon, if we can't win this game, we're fucked.

 

See it was Moss's head we saw on the bench next to Arnold for years at the Mariners, wasn't it?  So, what, Moss didn't learn a fricken' thing there?  WTF was he doing: spectating?  We're not talking  6 mths here, the guy was there for years.

 

 

Moss is more of a coach than a manager. If you ever watched the doco 'the Code' on Fox Sports it was pretty clear Moss' main role was to do with motivating/yelling/getting worked up, while Arnold was calculated adapting tactics as the game unfolded.

 

Arnold may never have had the best squad but he got the best out of the players and built on an impressive club culture, Moss seems to be destroying that week by week.

[Torn Asunder]

But CCM have Matt Simon and Hutchy ...

[kingofhearts]

Get this bad feeling we're going to fuck up this game, just like that day we drew to wellington when all their players were on national duty.

 

Prove me wrong boys!

[Jovan]

Get this bad feeling we're going to fuck up this game, just like that day we drew to wellington when all their players were on national duty.

 

Prove me wrong boys!

or that one against Jets that ended our run.

[THB]

 

 

 

Agree about playing them too early.

 

If the young ones had come on and missed their goals, some on hear would be baying for their blood. Luckily they didn't.

 

But was their performance good luck, actual brilliance, youthful exuberance or what? It is a very fine line between being successful and being a dud.

 

I for one would after "blooding" them give them more minutes when the game is not at stake and giving them more time to show their worth and have them reproduce the performance rather than just starting them into it immediately.

 

Marino's finish was not luck. His was a striker's finish

 

Those "easy tap ins" are far from easy.  The hardest part is getting your timing right so that you meet the ball at the right time which is coming at you at pace and at 90 degrees to your motion and where you need it end up, and stay on-side.

 

I had one go at it in a real game once upon a time, and was promptly put back in the middle at half time.

 

Outa likes.

 

Anyone who doesn't rate "tap ins", hasn't played up front, on the wing (and watched them sail harmlessly across goals, like Ramsay's Class A cross last week) or coached a team that let good chances go begging simply because no one got into the right spot.

 

If tap ins were so bloody easy then all forwards would get 6 or 7 a year, but you know what?  They don't.  Its only guys like Van Nistelroy and our own Willo who do.  Marino has only had 2 appearances off the bench, but second time up he showed great instinct to get on the scoreboard.  Not getting too carried away though -early days, but if he works hard etc etc he might have a bright future.  Keep him on the bench.

 

Marino's run was almost text book, angled towards near post. Very pleasing to see on his second run. He also laid a clever pass to Mooy who then hit the crossbar. If he can be this effective in the coming weeks in 15 to 20 minute cameos late in the game then he may turn into a real prospect.  

 

He will defs be a real prospect but knowing us, we'll probably let him go.

[El Cunado]

Get this bad feeling we're going to fuck up this game, just like that day we drew to wellington when all their players were on national duty.

 

Prove me wrong boys!

 

That was a horror that one. The week after a derby win and it was their third choice keeper from memory as well. 

 

Feeling okay for this match. Millar will definitely help, as without Koren, Mooy or Mauk, probably too much responsibility would have been on the shoulders of Retre/ Melling. Central Coast having one of the slowest defences in the league will be useful given the pace in ours and thats pretty much the reason I'm confident for the three points. 

[belaguttman]

We only have a chance in this game if we score early as CCM then won't be able to afford to sit back and park the bus. Our best chance of scoring early is from a set piece, something that we are much better at this season. Iff CCM are forced to play then we have a chance of winning, if CCM score first then its game over for a team that lacks that creativity in the front third

[CB.]

This sounds like the Newcastle game thread, CCM to win 3-1 after we go up from a Paartalu header

[Jovan]

This sounds like the Newcastle game thread, CCM to win 3-1 after we go up from a Paartalu header

Costanzo logic. love it.

[hakz7]

AAMI Park will have resurfaced the pitch for Sunday. Anyone know what effects the new pitch could have if any?

[CB.]

 

This sounds like the Newcastle game thread, CCM to win 3-1 after we go up from a Paartalu header

Costanzo logic. love it.