hyperfuzz Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 feel like that double sub will a defining moment when we look at the sacking of JvS in a couple of months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lime Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) Oh right so premeditating where a penalty will go before the bloke moves to take it is good keeping? Sorenson has been useless accept it, waste of a visa spot when we had perfectly fine keeper in velaphiActually, penalty saves are pretty much ALL about premeditating. Sometimes you guess right, sometimes you don't. Happy to have the Velaphi argument but blaming Sorensen is stupid. Edited October 30, 2015 by dr lime 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmelbcity Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Actually, penalty saves are pretty much ALL about premeditating. Sometimes you guess right, sometimes you don't. Happy to have the Velaphi argument but blaming Sorensen is stupid. Not just blaming sorrenson realise also having half a squad of 18 year olds doesn't get you far either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlings Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 My mate lost a Black bag about 10 rows back from the capo. Pm me pls if you have it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lime Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Not just blaming sorrenson realise also having half a squad of 18 year olds doesn't get you far either.Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Torn Asunder Posted October 30, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) Quite possibly the most disappointing loss I can recall. 2 goals up and then to lose convincingly to a rabble. We were beaten by a team with the Hoff and Watson !?And we couldn't even crack an 8k crowd.We were mentally weak. Substitutions and tactics in the second half were rubbish. No midfield cover on the bench ... I reckon Paartalu off the bench may have saved the game for us. The club wanted consistency this season, and we are seeing it ... consistently playing only in patches.To have gone on with the win tonight after the super start and the 2 nil was what the club desperately needed ... Instead, based on the manner of our loss, it's a massive step backwards.I am gutted. Edited October 30, 2015 by Torn Asunder 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Why did Sorensen lean to his right so early?... Made it so easy for Trifunovic to place it in the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Pints Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Jeez...following this club really is akin to torture. Can envisage a support group bobbing up in a few years."Hello everyone, my name is Dave and I'm a Melbourne City supporter".Support group: "Hello Dave". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) Simply disgusting. Made all the worse by the team showing it can play good football in the first half as well (I don't think the Jets had 1 good chance in the first half, and we had more than enough chances [i.e. Bruno's header] to go +3 up). Such ridiculous capitulation, together with a roll-over-when-times-get-tough mentality. Incredibly disappointing, and it does feel like deja vu all over again for long suffering Heart supporters. There were signs towards the end of the first half that the team was starting to sit on their lead, and sadly the team was even more flat after the half time break. That simply can't happen. During the first 10 minutes of the second half the team was flat; they weren't keeping the ball and didn't create any chances. And after the double substitution things were even worse--exactly the opposite outcome substitutions are meant to produce--and the team unraveled over the 21 minutes from the Jets first goal on the 58th minute to their last goal on the 79th minute. IMO we sent boys out to do a men's job. 3 of our back four are 22 years old or younger, our midfield of 'veteran' Aaron Mooy (25), Stefan Mauk (20) and Jacob Melling (20), and 18 year old Kuzmanovski as one of our front 3. And then there's the substitutions! We threw 2 more kids on (Dekker, 21, Millar, 18) to try and settle the team. Hardly the players that can help an A-League team settle and fightback in a difficult situation. It all reflects very badly on JVS. Expecting too much from kids, and quite possibly not leading the team enough himself. The inability to get the team fired up at half time going into the second half reflects poorly on him. Important and/or experienced players also went missing in the second half and didn't show enough leadership, but the coach can't escape plenty of heat after that poor second half capitulation. There's a lot of other issues in this match too--the team's profligacy (Bruno and Gameiro had golden chances to score), the inability of the team to play for 90 minutes (an issue that feels like it's been around forever), refereeing madness (soft calls all night for the Jets, they should have had more yellow cards, and a questionable pen) and a poor crowd of 7,200 (how on Earth do we have that number following a thumping 3-1 win in front of 8,400 last Sunday, with ample advertising this week?). Really tired of these matches and just want to see a more confident team play football with self-belief for most of a football match. Edited October 30, 2015 by Murfy1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pringa Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) We're basically the equivalent of being the Richmond of the A-League as far as hope and disappointment goes. Looked dreadful the moment the second half kicked off. Not sure why you would try to get 'If you love City stand up' going the third time when the Jets scored both times this chant started up. And for those who say we have no history - we manage to pull out performances like Melbourne Heart did, thank you very much. Edited October 30, 2015 by pringa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Negatives .... Too many to mention and CBF positives .... 3 guys spinning dizzy around a pole then trying to kick a goal. It was funny to watch, best entertainment of the night. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityamatic Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Woeful performance, so many things wrong tonight I don't really want to start up... but can any tactically minded people on here enlighten me on to what JVS was doing with his changes tonight? I cannot figure out for the life of me what he was trying to achieve by making a double change when he did and why he simply swapped our wingers over, when we were under so much defensive pressure and barely even had the ball? I'm no expert (rather, a casual Football Manager player) but I just can't make sense of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Good luck Bruno if Novillo and gamiero play in same team, won't be passing of any sort by them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 We lost control off the midfield in the second half so JVS brought on 2 forwards. Perhaps he was thinking that we would cop a few goals but maybe could just outscore them, maybe he regretted starting Williams who had butchered just about every ball, perhaps he realised that he has no midfielders or experienced players on the bench? Most likely he was afflicted with the same panic as the team on the pitch and just didn't think. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Surely having Paartalu as on option on bench would have been better than having 2 wide defenders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Melbourne Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Jvs out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 not even surprised, go from complete dominance in the first half to hardly troubling the gk apart from the piece where gameiro skied his shotnever feel comfortable with a 2 goal lead considering our history, didn't feel safe last sunday and could feel a loss coming at 2-1 up todayrefs are fucked, time to import refs, atleast 1 major incident in all our games so farget gooch out of defence, get tando back in when ready and finally fuck jvs off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 No game sums up Melbourne Heart/City more than what I just witnessed. Play brilliantly, get everyone’s hopes up #believe and then implode, play terribly make bad coaching decisions and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCMLIII Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Another heartless performance tonight?Yup. I was correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Defibrillator Posted October 30, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 I've seen some jaw dropping Heart / City moments in my time. Engelaar's goal in our own half, Terra's bicycle kick, but the double substitution at 55 minutes just had me gobsmacked. It was obvious to a few of us watching that Mauk had run out of legs at 50 minutes, and Melling was starting to struggle but still gut-running as he does. At 55 minutes it was clear the midfield shape was gone - Melling sitting too deep and Mauk too far forward to the strikers, and with Carney dropping sporadically into the middle we were struggling - or should I say overrun. It just begged to be addressed.And the solution - take off the forward line that had pressed and created (and for all the Williams haters out there - he worked hard both ways) for two youngsters including one out of position (and watch the lack of defensive tracking three minutes after they came on for their first goal). Fuck knows what's going on with Paartalu, but to pick a bench with no backup midfielders when you have two youngsters in the middle and one coming back from injury was just suicide - and it turned out to be.And to chase the game - well you couldn't with that bench. So we bomb the ball long over a dysfunctional non-existent midfield to a 1.75m CF with no change in a clearly failing shape. Fuck, put Kisnorbo up there if that's all you got! You can talk about ticker in the players, you can talk about fitness, you can talk about youth failing, but what happened tonight has to be blamed on the coaching staff and only the coaching staff. After the FFA Cup debacle managerially, surely this has to stop. I'm done - JVS has to go to circuit break this cultural rot.180 km round trip and three disappointed kids in the car and one severely pissed off adult. Fuck this is getting harder each year. 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) I was surprised to find the forum still operating as I thought it would have actually melted down before I got home. You're probably all numbed by what we've seen tonight rather than angry.IMO we didn't lose control of the midfield, we gave it away. Round about the 35-minute mark I'd say. From then on it was a question of how many Newcastle were going to score, not whether they would. Once we gave away the initiative I thought most of our players were well below par, even those who should have stood up and tried to pull the side back together. The defence is leaking goals, and every team is attacking us down the flanks and we don't have the ability to clear the ball effectively. Retre tries hard but doesn't have the pace, and Garuccio is just not a defender. TBH I thought Sorensen was woeful tonight - too easily beaten to his left, and poor distribution. The midfield was disorganised, and just too many passes going astray. Glamour boy Mooy was too slow and too selfish on a number of occasions. Up front our wingers were completely ineffective. Tuna tried hard, but as I suggested elsewhere, he and Mooy are not going to be able to win us silverware by themselves.I don't know how many more times we're going to endure this before CFG takes the axe to JvS. I can't see how team selections, substitutions, tactics, mental brittleness and ultimately performances like this enhance the "brand." The worst case of capitulation I've seen in 5+ seasons. Edited October 30, 2015 by jw1739 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Yup. I was correct.No you were wrong, it was a true Heart performance tonight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 The other contributing factor to the team selection and bench selection of course is our appalling injury list, almost all the sort of players that we would have wanted out there tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 The players came out like they're on speed. The tactic is to kill the game off at home in the first hour. 30 minutes later and their boots feel like thy're weighed down by concrete. JVS did this last season. Wait till its January and we have a day game... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Most of their team were sitting on yellow cards and yet we still let them boss us. Could say so much but in the end we were just shit. ...and to think for one night, we could have been sitting on top of the tree.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 I was surprised to find the forum still operating as I thought it would have actually melted down before I got home. You're probably all numbed by what we've seen tonight rather than angry.IMO we didn't lose control of the midfield, we gave it away. Round about the 35-minute mark I'd say. From then on it was a question of how many Newcastle were going to score, not whether they would. Once we gave away the initiative I thought most of our players were well below par, even those who should have stood up and tried to pull the side back together. The defence is leaking goals, and every team is attacking us down the flanks and we don't have the ability to clear the ball effectively. Retre tries hard but doesn't have the pace, and Garuccio is just not a defender. TBH I thought Sorensen was woeful tonight - too easily beaten to his left, and poor distribution. The midfield was disorganised, and just too many passes going astray. Glamour boy Mooy was too slow and too selfish on a number of occasions. Up front our wingers were completely ineffective. Tuna tried hard, but as I suggested elsewhere, he and Mooy are not going to be able to win us silverware by themselves.I don't know how many more times we're going to endure this before CFG takes the axe to JvS. I can't see how team selections, substitutions, tactics, mental brittleness and ultimately performances like this enhance the "brand." The worst case of capitulation I've seen in 5+ seasons.Because they left nothing in the tank. #JVS tactics: game is won in first 30 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Mods - please add 'No one' to the options for Man of the Match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFCRC Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Let myself settle down a bit...What a familiar feeling supporting this football club! had a complete sense of inevitably about it. Just a numb feeling leaving the ground and now.. That Newcastle team is beyond average but from '30 onwards we made them look like champions Bossed through the midfield and they did as they pleased.. Williams ineffectual for his 50 mins but so was his replacement.. Dekker was just as crap as Gameiro. Bruno tried hard as always but there's only so much he can do unfortunately we're the first game the next three weeks so I better get used to kicking the weekend off on a sour note. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thrillhouse Posted October 30, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 happy we play away next week 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 We're basically the equivalent of being the Richmond of the A-League as far as hope and disappointment goes. Looked dreadful the moment the second half kicked off. Not sure why you would try to get 'If you love City stand up' going the third time when the Jets scored both times this chant started up. And for those who say we have no history - we manage to pull out performances like Melbourne Heart did, thank you very much. the timing for some of the chants tonight was absolutely awfulalso, the Que Sera, Sera chant is literally the biggest buzzkill of a chant that we have imo, made a million times worse when we're losing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Not sure why is everything blaming the club. It's JVS' fault. EVEYTHING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) Here's something funny: took my missus to the game for the first time this season (she has zero interest in football), towards the end of the game she goes why you all stressed for your team is winning? She looks up at the scoreboard and goes is that 3-2??? I didn't even notice lol That was the only time l laughed last night. Edited October 30, 2015 by Tony999 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 The worst capitulation I have ever seen in my life. Wow.You know its a bad loss when supporters of the same team start arguing with each other in the stands.Is there a way back from this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Our fullback are also fucken disgraceful. Completely slaughtered on both sides tonight. That double sub too just fucken lol honestly. Why do we continue to play Dekker wide when he's clearly a central player? Honestly.Can we on the football forum take over coaching duties for the rest of the season? Belguttaman? Murf? We have better coaches on here then we do at city ATM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Go back not too long ago and I would have been so pissed off with what happened tonight. But with the effects of inconsistency in our club at the start of yet another season I felt so desensitised to the three goals we copped and the loss that it doesn't bother me too much. I felt the first half our performance was a combination of us playing well and linking up but also Newcastle not performing well. Without doubt the subs made by both teams in the second half was the game changer. Newcastle made some changes in midfield which changed the dynamics of the game. We really could have done with a change in the midfield, unfortunately it came in the form of Miller who was very poor in that position. Perhaps Paartalu off the bench could have been useful?I'm not sure why Dekker is being brought on to play as a winger. He's not that type of player to be providing defensive support for Retre and to be trying to create attacking opportunities. With Gameiro I think his energy is great and he will be a good player for us eventually but he definietly doesn't look settled yet. I think JVS is certainly at fault for the loss due to the subs and players chosen during the game. But I also think he's not stupid and can see what's going on regarding how the teams is performing inconsistently. He's basically pointed it out numerous times this season already. But with every time he mentions it shows that he simply doesn't have the ability (qualities) to change this because it keeps happening. Simply not good enough. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva10 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 What looked like being a great win turned out to be a disaster. It was obvious in the last 10 minutes that their most dangerous attacks were coming down our left. What we should have done was take only Kuzi off and put Williams to the right, with Gamiero on the left. Maybe that would have given us a platform to stop them and get our attacks going. The fact is we had less experience on the bench than we did on the park, so we were restricted to what we could do off the bench. I don't understand why he didn't have a midfielder on the bench. Allied to this we have not seen Franjic or Hughes, and Zullo only fleetingly. The management have to be asked serious questions on how we recruit. Even if Franjic is a very good player, should we be signing him if we don't know when we can get him on the pitch. The Hughes signing is also looking very poor. We shouldn't be really signing someone on a Visa spot who still wants to play international football. Especially if that player is 35.With Koren and Paartalu being so poor again this season, it now leaves us with very young squad that lacks real leadership both on and off the field. Also whilst Sorenson is a competent keeper, he isn't a game changer.The whole organisation really needs to be looked at from top to bottom, before things get even worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityHeart Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 LOL @ the club, upping the PR and media spend this week promoting memberships for THAT!JVS - where do you start? Cant remember a game where ALL of the changes made were just disastrous, yes the players need to shoulder blame but I am not sure what roles JVS was going for for the first 2 - and why make those 2 changes together? it was clear a midfield change was needed. Poor Millar - brought on during our collapse and was an utter deer caught in the headlights. I think he missed his first half a dozen passes by meters, literally.Dekker/Corey - was there a mandate not to provide width or something? It was clear in the first half Newcastle wanted to stay solid in the middle, but Williams/Kuzi were able to draw the out without playing specatularly, opening up the midfield. That 2nd half was a tactical abomination. Basically brought 2 fresh players on who offered nothing and destroyed our structure.Sorensen - umm, how can a person have played so many games at such a level, yet has no idea how to distribute the ball? Mind numbingly scary how bad he was in that area.However, this is the game I thought the Perth FFA cup disaster would catch up with us, and it did. Perhaps we had our hands tied, but we had nothing to mitigate it and basically played the same team yet again. That stupid trip to Perth could not have come at a worse time, which created long travel before a short game, which backed into another short week with Newcastle having 48 hours on us. I really wonder how much planning and thought went into those 3 games, yes I know we have an injury list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Spineless. No one came out in the second half. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Heartspur Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 the timing for some of the chants tonight was absolutely awfulalso, the Que Sera, Sera chant is literally the biggest buzzkill of a chant that we have imo, made a million times worse when we're losingEspecially the Top of the League chant in the first half! And people are taking aim at JVS for his decision making. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommac Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) Agree with the general consensus on here. Lacked leadership on the pitch and from the touchline. Incredibly strange substitutions from JVS especially given the 2 defenders/2 attackers on the bench he chose. Where was Trifiro? That was tailor made for him to come on. Granted not a world- beater but he gets on the ball and is pretty composed. JVS bringing Millar into midfield (albeit briefly as after 5 minutes of errors he moved him to RB) was idiotic. I'm not completely off him just yet- but that loss is his. Bruno=superstar Edited October 30, 2015 by tommac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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