Transfer Talk, Rumours and Speculation

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2 hours ago, jw1739 said:

One serious problem I have with the cap is that the total payments to non-marquee players have to be a minimum of 90% of the cap. Together with the limit on visa players and the minimum number of players you must have in the squad this means an automatic pay rise for a number of very ordinary Australian players per club every time the cap is raised.

There's a lot more to it than just raising the salary cap. IMO you either have a free market or you don't.

I don't think that what we currently have is suitable for the times nor do I believe that the free market would work wonders (see the old NSL).

Personally, a salary structure needs to be in place so that if a young player decides to become a professional footballer five years later he is no worse off than if he had done an apprenticeship or gone to uni. Secondly, if things don't work out then they are able to continue on a career path without having being prejudiced by having a stint as a professional footballer.

Then come the next age group which are good enough for the A-League but not good enough for Europe or are returning from Europe. Say a Craig Goodwin - who is an excellent example having been discarded from AU Youth team, then gone to Oakleigh before Heart gave him another chance, then professional contract with the Jets, then Europe and now back to AU. This is where it gets difficult as the club need this type of player but not too many (hello BR).  So clubs need to be given incentives to retire these types of players and the players need to be given some financial security/career path. Same applies for the near retirement players like Vidosic, McKay and even Galecovic.

This should form the core of the salary budget for all clubs. From there the A-League needs to work out a visa player budget to attract talent that would enhance the competition as well as teach the younger brigade. So if I assume that two visa players are marquee, then the budget required for the remaining visa players needs to be calculated.

To summarise the salary cap should have three components: the Australian salary component of which 90% should be paid out, three visa players salary component and the two marquee player component which would be free market. If a club decides not to have marquee players then a portion of that (say 30%) can be redistributed to the local players and visa players component. If a club chooses not to have any visa players then a portion of that also goes to the local player salary.

As for a numbers cap I am still thinking on that one.

[fiji19]

have been saying it for ages 

move to 3+1 foreigners, have all foreigners outside the cap. Will allow clubs to invest in a better type of foreigner whilst not hampering finances to hard. 

Allow for perhaps 1 aussie to also be placed outside the cap as well

[haz]

13 minutes ago, fiji19 said:

Allow for perhaps 1 aussie to also be placed outside the cap as well

Or just raise the cap by $1m

The few rules the better imo. None of this mature age rookie or loyal player crap. Just increase the cap with the only (simplified) rules being:

1. Don't go over the cap

2. 3+1 foreign players outside of the cap.

[Harrison]

The issue with those suggestions above are the talented Australian players we are trying to keep. Luke Brattan, Rostyn Griffiths, Jamie Maclaren, even Harrison Delbridge and Curtis Good. 

They are or will potentially become very difficult to retain with a relatively low salary cap or an Australian component. 

We want to be making it easier for clubs to retain those good Australian players as well as the good foreign players. 

We should also be aiming for simplicity. A bigger salary cap and a floor calculated by multiplying the minimum wage by the number of players on a roster. The minimum wage can be set to something reasonable. No need for a 90 per cent floor IMO. 

The market will take care of the rest. 

[Shahanga]

I think allowing transfer fees within Australia will be a big step in encouraging clubs to sign/develop younger players.

[Mr MO]

2 hours ago, dconder13 said:

Harrison is an unreal signing. He is a kid trying to prove himself to make it big, he will give it his all and try hard. But people will still complain

If you don’t perform people will complain correct.

[dconder13]

4 minutes ago, Mr MO said:

If you don’t perform people will complain correct.

Was referring to people complaining about the signing without seeing him play but ok 

[jw1739]

52 minutes ago, Harrison said:

The issue with those suggestions above are the talented Australian players we are trying to keep. Luke Brattan, Rostyn Griffiths, Jamie Maclaren, even Harrison Delbridge and Curtis Good. 

They are or will potentially become very difficult to retain with a relatively low salary cap or an Australian component. 

We want to be making it easier for clubs to retain those good Australian players as well as the good foreign players. 

We should also be aiming for simplicity. A bigger salary cap and a floor calculated by multiplying the minimum wage by the number of players on a roster. The minimum wage can be set to something reasonable. No need for a 90 per cent floor IMO. 

The market will take care of the rest. 

The minimum is already set.

It's quite easy to do some calculations based on the number of players in the squad and their ages to see what the gaps are between:
- the minimum total wages we have to pay based on age;
- the minimum we actually have to pay (90% of $3.063m i.e. $2.756m);
- the cap ($3.063m).
 

[AntiScum]

3 hours ago, Shahanga said:

I think allowing transfer fees within Australia will be a big step in encouraging clubs to sign/develop younger players.

How do you work out a player's value? 

Transfer committee to keep fees realistic? 

[Shahanga]

3 minutes ago, AntiScum said:

How do you work out a player's value? 

Transfer committee to keep fees realistic? 

The free market.

The value is what the buyer and seller can agree on. We need less regulation, not more.

[AntiScum]

2 hours ago, Shahanga said:

The free market.

The value is what the buyer and seller can agree on. We need less regulation, not more.

Fair call in regards to less regulations. All players should have release clauses in there contracts like in Spain not only for insurance purposes but also fair price. As most Aussie players are sold well below there true worth 

[haz]

14 hours ago, Shahanga said:

The free market.

The value is what the buyer and seller can agree on. We need less regulation, not more.

Knowing FFA they'll put transfer fee caps that are calculated on age + matches played.

[Chris p]

A-League clubs refuse to pay transfer fees for international players I can't imagine what would be different on the domestic front 

[Shahanga]

8 minutes ago, Chris p said:

A-League clubs refuse to pay transfer fees for international players I can't imagine what would be different on the domestic front 

True, but at least it shouldn’t be banned like it is now. 

[AntiScum]

33 minutes ago, Chris p said:

A-League clubs refuse to pay transfer fees for international players I can't imagine what would be different on the domestic front 

Man city pay transfer fees for young players 🤔

[jw1739]

1 hour ago, Chris p said:

A-League clubs refuse to pay transfer fees for international players I can't imagine what would be different on the domestic front 

 

57 minutes ago, Shahanga said:

True, but at least it shouldn’t be banned like it is now. 

The present system simply encourages players to be recycled around the league, and it also discourages the development of young players. Players will sign any old contract knowing that as soon as a better opportunity arises elsewhere it's just a "Code of Honour" that a clubs releases a player who asks.

There's no way a ban is appropriate. IMO the minimum fee that should apply is what remains on the player's contract - that would sort a lot of this out.

I agree with the view that it's probably not wise to deregulate the market completely, but we should be aiming to deregulate as far as we can and as soon as we can.

[Imtellingyou]

Couldn't we get an in form player from Qatar. 

[Harrison]

48 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

 

The present system simply encourages players to be recycled around the league, and it also discourages the development of young players. Players will sign any old contract knowing that as soon as a better opportunity arises elsewhere it's just a "Code of Honour" that a clubs releases a player who asks.

There's no way a ban is appropriate. IMO the minimum fee that should apply is what remains on the player's contract - that would sort a lot of this out.

I agree with the view that it's probably not wise to deregulate the market completely, but we should be aiming to deregulate as far as we can and as soon as we can.

Agree.

Also, in the NRRs, 10.6b states that the maximum transfer fee is 50 per cent of the remaining value of the contract.  

[mus-28]

10 hours ago, haz said:

Knowing FFA they'll put transfer fee caps that are calculated on age + matches played divided by the price of 1L of Caltex Vortex Premium

 

[HughJass]

Brattan to Korea? Out of contract and Korean transfer window open https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/korea-opportunity-for-brattan-as-city-contract-runs-down

[jw1739]

It's almost impossible to discuss individual players when there's considerable uncertainty about whether Joyce will be kept on or not. If we keep letting players go we will be faced with such a massive rebuilding job that it will be yet another season down the drain.

I'm just not confident that there's any underlying plan for the club.

[Mr MO]

22 minutes ago, HughJass said:

Brattan to Korea? Out of contract and Korean transfer window open https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/korea-opportunity-for-brattan-as-city-contract-runs-down

I would take it, if I was Luke.

[mattyh001]

On 03/02/2019 at 0:14 PM, jw1739 said:

 

The present system simply encourages players to be recycled around the league, and it also discourages the development of young players. Players will sign any old contract knowing that as soon as a better opportunity arises elsewhere it's just a "Code of Honour" that a clubs releases a player who asks.

There's no way a ban is appropriate. IMO the minimum fee that should apply is what remains on the player's contract - that would sort a lot of this out.

I agree with the view that it's probably not wise to deregulate the market completely, but we should be aiming to deregulate as far as we can and as soon as we can.

I see more expansion (and the sooner the better) to be a greater priority than transfer fees TBH.

The extra playing rosters brings a greater demand for playing talent, which would eventually force clubs to spend / open the purse strings (once the transfer ban goes of course)

Right now we have a very limited market in terms of possible buying club. CCM, Wellington and Newcastle are never gonna spend significant sums, which means we need way more teams for any future competitive market

[RedAndWhitePride]

TWG are reporting that WMG are heavily linked to Luke Brattan, in an article that also states the new team will be named 'Western Athletic' and will wear green and black. 

 

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/western-athletic-wins-the-name-game-for-a-league-newbies?fbclid=IwAR1Hnv9XvQs-cNLl2WM9aTFt5rSTOA8denrRoQxx-_P0G7H0xQ4wAfmM0RM

 

 

Edited February 11, 2019 by RedAndWhitePride

[Mr MO]

18 minutes ago, RedAndWhitePride said:

TWG are reporting that WMG are heavily linked to Luke Brattan, in an article that also states the new team will be named 'Western Athletic' and will wear green and black. 

 

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/western-athletic-wins-the-name-game-for-a-league-newbies?fbclid=IwAR1Hnv9XvQs-cNLl2WM9aTFt5rSTOA8denrRoQxx-_P0G7H0xQ4wAfmM0RM

 

 

Good name except wrong colour, leave green for Canberra and Tasmania and pick up a all white kit.

[AntiScum]

3 hours ago, RedAndWhitePride said:

TWG are reporting that WMG are heavily linked to Luke Brattan, in an article that also states the new team will be named 'Western Athletic' and will wear green and black. 

 

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/western-athletic-wins-the-name-game-for-a-league-newbies?fbclid=IwAR1Hnv9XvQs-cNLl2WM9aTFt5rSTOA8denrRoQxx-_P0G7H0xQ4wAfmM0RM

 

 

A few players have been approached by WMG.

Going to be very interesting to see the what happens to the standard of play with a new team, do clubs now look to NPL players or go with youth?

[Harrison]

So it seems The World Game were correct about Josh Risdon having agreed terms with WMG.

According to TWG, Luke Brattan has been heavily linked with WMG.

Let's hope they're wide of the mark with Brattan. That would add a bit of spice to our rivalry but I'd prefer to have Luke in our midfield. 

[neio]

Nikola Mileusnic been chased by up to 4 aleague clubs. Really hope we are one of them. Super quick, scores goals and sets up assists and I can't imagine will be super expensive 

Some people will say we can do better, but when he is playing well I see him as one of the better Australian wingers in league, and is definitely better than anything we have now

[Jovan]

11 minutes ago, neio said:

Nikola Mileusnic been chased by up to 4 aleague clubs. Really hope we are one of them. Super quick, scores goals and sets up assists and I can't imagine will be super expensive 

Some people will say we can do better, but when he is playing well I see him as one of the better Australian wingers in league, and is definitely better than anything we have now

Not Anglo enough. 

[citypool]

He should stay Adelaide imo 

[haz]

2 hours ago, Jovan said:

Not Anglo enough. 

Joyce is going to have a brain aneurysm from repetitively saying his last name.

[neio]

Keanu Baccus has signed a new deal with wsw, so I guess that's the end of that rumour 

[Harrison]

According to Dave Davutovic we’ve signed another Victory player, 18-year-old forward Nicholas Sette. 

He was a senior player for them but terminated his contract in late January. I presume he’s signed a youth contract with us. 

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/a-league/teams/victory/former-city-midfielder-anthony-lesiotis-to-play-for-victory-in-derby/news-story/2c14ed332134ed970ab6bbbd195e9b7e

[jw1739]

16 minutes ago, Harrison said:

According to Dave Davutovic we’ve signed another Victory player, 18-year-old forward Nicholas Sette. 

He was a senior player for them but terminated his contract in late January. I presume he’s signed a youth contract with us. 

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/a-league/teams/victory/former-city-midfielder-anthony-lesiotis-to-play-for-victory-in-derby/news-story/2c14ed332134ed970ab6bbbd195e9b7e

@Harrison That article is behind a paywall.

[Harrison]

2 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

@Harrison That article is behind a paywall.

I read it in the actual paper but wanted to give a link. Maybe someone with a subscription can access it. 

[NuggetsMcGreggor]

2 hours ago, Harrison said:

I read it in the actual paper but wanted to give a link. Maybe someone with a subscription can access it. 

You can beat the paywall by copying the article url at outline.com

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Victory reap rewards of City’s system

FEBRUARY 21, 2019

Emerging midfielder Anthony Lesiotis looks set to create history by becoming the first ex Melbourne City player to feature for Victory in a local derby.

Victory coach Kevin Muscat broke an unwritten rule to sign a player from their arch enemy for the first time in eight years, with Lesiotis playing four games since debuting in January.

While many players have crossed the Victory to City divide, including Aziz Behich, Harry Kewell, Fred, Mate Dugandzic and current keeper Eugene Galekovic, Melbourne’s first A-League club prided itself on not poaching players from their local rivals.

But City Football Group’s significant academy investment coupled with their first-team bottleneck has left City players primed for poaching and, along with the arrival of Western United next season, could trigger a domino effect of youth transfers with intense negotiations taking place behind the scenes.

Lesiotis looks like a sharp signing for Victory. (AAP Image/Dan Peled)

Fellow teenager Nicholas Sette, who was in Victory’s Asian Champions League squad last year and twice featured on the bench in the FFA Cup, has just moved to City.

Meanwhile City’s senior listed right-back Dylan Pierias, who is out of contract at the end of the season and attracting strong interest from Victory and Western United.

City’s youth program is more highly regarded than Victory’s, with Australia’s youth national teams — primarily the Joeys (Under 17s) and Young Socceroos (Under 20s) regularly featuring more City players in recent years.

Nicholas Sette (left) took another direction. (Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

However Victory have begun investing more into their academy, which has improved since the arrival of highly-rated youth coach, ex Football Federation Australia and Welsh federation technical chief Rob Sherman in the role of general manager, technical and coaching.

While Lesiotis, 18, made two first-team appearances for City, with his A-League debut coming in the Round 1 derby at Marvel Stadium, he felt opportunities would be hard to come by.

City coach Warren Joyce signed fellow defensive midfielders Kearyn Baccus and Rostyn Griffiths in the off-season, with Osama Malik and Luke Brattan already there while defender Curtis Good was also deployed in midfield.

With only Carl Valeri and Spaniard Raul Baena ahead of him at Victory, Lesiotis — who was only on a youth team contract at Victory — took a calculated gamble of joining Victory and it’s reaped rewards.

While Muscat signed him with an eye on the Asian Champions League, Lesiotis has already played 112 minutes, in one start and three substitute appearances.

Carl Valeri‘s injury saw Lesiotis thrown in for his first start in last week’s 1-1 draw away to Wellington Phoenix.

 

[jw1739]

So much for Joyce and youth. We'll probably lose several young players in the coming off-season because he prefers crap players such as Vidosic, La Rocca and Griffiths.

 

[Shahanga]

On 22/02/2019 at 4:28 PM, jw1739 said:

So much for Joyce and youth. We'll probably lose several young players in the coming off-season because he prefers crap players such as Vidosic, La Rocca and Griffiths.

If they are attack minded Joyce ships them out. No wonder we’re unwatchable 

[Dylan]

double post

Edited February 24, 2019 by Dylan

[Jovan]

33 minutes ago, Dylan said:

double post