belaguttman Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Any chance Man City will announce the signing of Weilart, Ramsay and Redmayne? All 3 accept mutually agreed releases from Heart, to join Man City then accept releases there, before finding other clubs (funnily enough not triggering any payments under the salary cap). You got a source for that? I've not heard any suggestion of this happening. I'm not entirely sure why the players would sign up to a scheme designed to deprive them of a golden goodbye either, nor why City would feel the need to do so either to save on such a pitiful amount of cash compared to their budget? Edit: oh wait, you're just suggesting that you want to see it happen? I think I may have misread. I'm sure that they won't do that but any payouts to players are included under the salary cap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepdog Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Heard they have started looking for part time jobs (mainly trades) for the young fellas coming from city on loan. I will take one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Any chance Man City will announce the signing of Weilart, Ramsay and Redmayne? All 3 accept mutually agreed releases from Heart, to join Man City then accept releases there, before finding other clubs (funnily enough not triggering any payments under the salary cap). You got a source for that? I've not heard any suggestion of this happening. I'm not entirely sure why the players would sign up to a scheme designed to deprive them of a golden goodbye either, nor why City would feel the need to do so either to save on such a pitiful amount of cash compared to their budget? Edit: oh wait, you're just suggesting that you want to see it happen? I think I may have misread. I'm sure that they won't do that but any payouts to players are included under the salary cap No, i'm thinking they leave Heart by "mutual concent" so there would be no pay out. If a "3rd party" happened to pay them well for their next job, what's that got to do with the FFA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 You think Mooy has been getting less game time because he is comming here? He has hardly any minutes for weeks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Heartspur Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Heard they have started looking for part time jobs (mainly trades) for the young fellas coming from city on loan. I will take one. A part-time job or a young fella? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koerner4 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 You think Mooy has been getting less game time because he is comming here? He has hardly any minutes for weeks Possibly and also just because Wanderers rotate like crazy and he played so much early on in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTD/MLBHRT/ESSNDON Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 He started every game, Popa is just cunt and proving a point that he won't be missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Mooy, Mooy, Mooy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepdog Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 Heard they have started looking for part time jobs (mainly trades) for the young fellas coming from city on loan.I will take one. A part-time job or a young fella? Young fella pushing barrows. Toughen em right up. Similar to dogdeball theory "you can dodge a wrench" etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Any chance Man City will announce the signing of Weilart, Ramsay and Redmayne? All 3 accept mutually agreed releases from Heart, to join Man City then accept releases there, before finding other clubs (funnily enough not triggering any payments under the salary cap). You got a source for that? I've not heard any suggestion of this happening. I'm not entirely sure why the players would sign up to a scheme designed to deprive them of a golden goodbye either, nor why City would feel the need to do so either to save on such a pitiful amount of cash compared to their budget? Edit: oh wait, you're just suggesting that you want to see it happen? I think I may have misread. I'm sure that they won't do that but any payouts to players are included under the salary cap No, i'm thinking they leave Heart by "mutual concent" so there would be no pay out. If a "3rd party" happened to pay them well for their next job, what's that got to do with the FFA? Doesn't have to be mutual consent, could be done by transfer. Once transferred to a club outside Australia FFA cannot control what happens. However, I doubt City itself would risk this, as it would likely receive very close scrutiny as a blatant manipulation of the salary cap and possibly lead to a clamp-down on such activity in the future. But as Shahanga says, 3rd party payments are impossible to control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 It may be possible to work the system that way but is that the way that we want to become successful and what we want to become known for? I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 a 3rd party payment to those players would be great. It's exactly how we managed to get Kewell on base wages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexxandro Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 It may be possible to work the system that way but is that the way that we want to become successful and what we want to become known for? I don't. Yep. City should bring enough advantage without having to rort the system. Simply using the marquee and guest spots properly combined with decent facilities and proper youth development should be enough to challenge for top spot if the coach is up to it (I'm looking at you JVS). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestay Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 Huzie i cant tell if you are being serious when you say that part time jobs are being lined up for any City youngsters that might come across, you are saying that tongue in cheek are you not? Any Player heading your way from City is a full time proffesional footballer the only thing they will be working on, apart from football will be the local female talent !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InMyHeart Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 We will be nothing next year unless we fix our defence. Horrible Keeper/s And of the back 4 only 1 decent player being Paddy Kisnorbo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted April 27, 2014 Report Share Posted April 27, 2014 We will be nothing next year unless we fix our defence. Horrible Keeper/s And of the back 4 only 1 decent player being Paddy Kisnorbo What about Socceroo of the future on the Left... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 according to the studs up blog, Traore is no certainty to stay at Victory. Could swoop in and put garuccio at LW. Traore is a citizen now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baresi Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 according to the studs up blog, Traore is no certainty to stay at Victory. Could swoop in and put garuccio at LW. Traore is a citizen now. Wouldn't touch with a 10ft pole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUTD/MLBHRT/ESSNDON Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Best left back in the league by a mile, I've got a feeling he will be with us next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepdog Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Would take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Would take Agreed - Some Full Backs with some actual defensive ability would be a welcome sight IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victards Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 as i have already stated, traore would probably be the only victory player that i would take in a heart beat. Best full back in the league by miles. Would be a massive inclusion but wouldnt be surprised to see him stay, or perhaps move abroad (Asia) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) Why this fixation with free agents? As we can pay transfer fees, we will, within reason, go after whoever we want as marquees. If there's a transfer fee to pay, so be it. Edited April 28, 2014 by Parrot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Because you can't buy players from other A-League clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Huzie i cant tell if you are being serious when you say that part time jobs are being lined up for any City youngsters that might come across, you are saying that tongue in cheek are you not? Any Player heading your way from City is a full time proffesional footballer the only thing they will be working on, apart from football will be the local female talent !!!! I'm not sure if you're being serious now...lol I was 100% serious. One of them was a chippy apparently, I think it's for life after football...same as our AFL players do (excluding Fev). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Huzie i cant tell if you are being serious when you say that part time jobs are being lined up for any City youngsters that might come across, you are saying that tongue in cheek are you not? Any Player heading your way from City is a full time proffesional footballer the only thing they will be working on, apart from football will be the local female talent !!!! I'm not sure if you're being serious now...lol I was 100% serious. One of them was a chippy apparently, I think it's for life after football...same as our AFL players do (excluding Fev). He was being serious - I thought you were joking too. This stuff is a long way away from what happens in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestay Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Huzie no way will any city youngsters be working in chip shops par time!!e Any youngsters coming over will already be driving top of the range BMWs and probably one or two of them have Audi R8s lined up ,i know about salatry caps and all the other monetary limits in the A league but the type of player coming your way is already used to a weekly salary somewhere between 2 to 4 thousand a week and thats not because its city paying bigger wages than other premier league clubs, but that figure is probably about average for a 18/19 year old proffesional footballer at a premier league club who is possibly a year away from a couple of outings in the first team or, going out on loan to a championship team, or european side . The days of trainee footballers cleaning boots and sweeping the stadium clean on a monday morning are long gone.. These guys will have enough money to throw at the local night club,s and the local girls, and they wont have to say do you want vinegar on your chips either! I do understand that any young guys with the Heart team are probablly still in some form of education, and do have to have part time jobs to make a living, But Heart won the lottery when the sheik came to town ,and you are going to be operating on a whole new level from now on I know a few guys on this forum laugh at that idea and have told me so on here but it is true ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva10 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Huzie no way will any city youngsters be working in chip shops par time!!e Any youngsters coming over will already be driving top of the range BMWs and probably one or two of them have Audi R8s lined up ,i know about salatry caps and all the other monetary limits in the A league but the type of player coming your way is already used to a weekly salary somewhere between 2 to 4 thousand a week and thats not because its city paying bigger wages than other premier league clubs, but that figure is probably about average for a 18/19 year old proffesional footballer at a premier league club who is possibly a year away from a couple of outings in the first team or, going out on loan to a championship team, or european side . The days of trainee footballers cleaning boots and sweeping the stadium clean on a monday morning are long gone.. These guys will have enough money to throw at the local night club,s and the local girls, and they wont have to say do you want vinegar on your chips either! I do understand that any young guys with the Heart team are probablly still in some form of education, and do have to have part time jobs to make a living, But Heart won the lottery when the sheik came to town ,and you are going to be operating on a whole new level from now on I know a few guys on this forum laugh at that idea and have told me so on here but it is true ! The problem is what will it cost them by winniing this particular lottery? With us they have built on the foundations of the fact we were a community based club. Having respect for our history and bringing the fans with them. However, this may not be the case with Heart. The fact that it is a frnachise league has made it easier to buy the team. But for the Heart fans they are being told it will mean losing their name and colours. It is a situation that shouldn't be happening. Our owners should respect their history however short it may be. If they don't then they will lose a lot of respect and goodwill from fans in Melbourne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) Huzie no way will any city youngsters be working in chip shops par time!!e Any youngsters coming over will already be driving top of the range BMWs and probably one or two of them have Audi R8s lined up ,i know about salatry caps and all the other monetary limits in the A league but the type of player coming your way is already used to a weekly salary somewhere between 2 to 4 thousand a week and thats not because its city paying bigger wages than other premier league clubs, but that figure is probably about average for a 18/19 year old proffesional footballer at a premier league club who is possibly a year away from a couple of outings in the first team or, going out on loan to a championship team, or european side . The days of trainee footballers cleaning boots and sweeping the stadium clean on a monday morning are long gone.. These guys will have enough money to throw at the local night club,s and the local girls, and they wont have to say do you want vinegar on your chips either! I do understand that any young guys with the Heart team are probablly still in some form of education, and do have to have part time jobs to make a living, But Heart won the lottery when the sheik came to town ,and you are going to be operating on a whole new level from now on I know a few guys on this forum laugh at that idea and have told me so on here but it is true ! Lonestay, chippy means carpenter or handiman (as in, creator of wood chips), not chip shop worker. Come on, that's not even Australian slang, we use that word too! Edited April 28, 2014 by Falastur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestay Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Silva 10 well done for geting the colours, name change, and history into another thread!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestay Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Falastur sorry the city guys wont be able to knock up a trophy cabinet either out of a bit of chipboard lol!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestay Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 mind you if they worked part time in a local furniture store might get a bit of discount on one !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moops Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Would take, but not the best by a mile?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresonlyonebzamora Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 But Heart won the lottery when the sheik came to town Now I know you didn't have any ill meaning toward this comment but I'd just like to point out we hear it a lot and it's sort of become a slap in the face. Are we only 'rich' due to luck of the draw and should be happy with it? We've won the 'lottery' so apparently we get a lifetime's supply of footballers but it seems that comes at a price (although I won't delve further into that already exhausted argument!). Anyway, covering rehashed ground perhaps it's just a strange choice of words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Jason Hoffman @JHoff28 9m @simoripamonti hey Simone. Should we get our programs today? The Hoff in nice and early for pre-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Huzie no way will any city youngsters be working in chip shops par time!!e Any youngsters coming over will already be driving top of the range BMWs and probably one or two of them have Audi R8s lined up ,i know about salatry caps and all the other monetary limits in the A league but the type of player coming your way is already used to a weekly salary somewhere between 2 to 4 thousand a week and thats not because its city paying bigger wages than other premier league clubs, but that figure is probably about average for a 18/19 year old proffesional footballer at a premier league club who is possibly a year away from a couple of outings in the first team or, going out on loan to a championship team, or european side . The days of trainee footballers cleaning boots and sweeping the stadium clean on a monday morning are long gone.. These guys will have enough money to throw at the local night club,s and the local girls, and they wont have to say do you want vinegar on your chips either! I do understand that any young guys with the Heart team are probablly still in some form of education, and do have to have part time jobs to make a living, But Heart won the lottery when the sheik came to town ,and you are going to be operating on a whole new level from now on I know a few guys on this forum laugh at that idea and have told me so on here but it is true ! I don't know if you understand the concept of the salary cap, but players over here don't earn 2-4 thousand a week unless they are a marquee. No matter how rich the owners are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schrecky Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Huzie no way will any city youngsters be working in chip shops par time!!e Any youngsters coming over will already be driving top of the range BMWs and probably one or two of them have Audi R8s lined up ,i know about salatry caps and all the other monetary limits in the A league but the type of player coming your way is already used to a weekly salary somewhere between 2 to 4 thousand a week and thats not because its city paying bigger wages than other premier league clubs, but that figure is probably about average for a 18/19 year old proffesional footballer at a premier league club who is possibly a year away from a couple of outings in the first team or, going out on loan to a championship team, or european side . The days of trainee footballers cleaning boots and sweeping the stadium clean on a monday morning are long gone.. These guys will have enough money to throw at the local night club,s and the local girls, and they wont have to say do you want vinegar on your chips either! I do understand that any young guys with the Heart team are probablly still in some form of education, and do have to have part time jobs to make a living, But Heart won the lottery when the sheik came to town ,and you are going to be operating on a whole new level from now on I know a few guys on this forum laugh at that idea and have told me so on here but it is true ! I don't know if you understand the concept of the salary cap, but players over here don't earn 2-4 thousand a week unless they are a marquee. No matter how rich the owners are. Um Yes they do ! The average is 2.2k per week. The range is slighlty out it should be 1-4k per week where 47k is minimum wage and 200k is a good experienced wage. It all fits in the cap of 2.62M+ excluding marquees & 3rd party agreements http://www.pfa.net.au/index.php?id=191 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 A Faustian Pact" is not quite the same as 'Winning the Lottery". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Huzie no way will any city youngsters be working in chip shops par time!!e Any youngsters coming over will already be driving top of the range BMWs and probably one or two of them have Audi R8s lined up ,i know about salatry caps and all the other monetary limits in the A league but the type of player coming your way is already used to a weekly salary somewhere between 2 to 4 thousand a week and thats not because its city paying bigger wages than other premier league clubs, but that figure is probably about average for a 18/19 year old proffesional footballer at a premier league club who is possibly a year away from a couple of outings in the first team or, going out on loan to a championship team, or european side . The days of trainee footballers cleaning boots and sweeping the stadium clean on a monday morning are long gone.. These guys will have enough money to throw at the local night club,s and the local girls, and they wont have to say do you want vinegar on your chips either! I do understand that any young guys with the Heart team are probablly still in some form of education, and do have to have part time jobs to make a living, But Heart won the lottery when the sheik came to town ,and you are going to be operating on a whole new level from now on I know a few guys on this forum laugh at that idea and have told me so on here but it is true ! It's not to make money out of, it's for after their career ends they have options/skill sets. This isn't me guessing either, this is fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 (edited) EXCLUSIVE: Injured Chelsea skipper John Terry rated 50/50 for Champions League return JOHN TERRY is rated 50-50 to make a shock return from an ankle injury and face Atletico Madrid tomorrow. By David Woods 29 April 2014 Terry was initially ruled out until the Champions League Final on May 24 by boss Jose Mourinho after he had to hobble off in the first leg of the Champions League semi-final last week. But Starsport revealed on Friday he had only tweaked ankle ligaments and was hopeful of returning for the second leg at Stamford Bridge. Chelsea's inspirational skipper did not train with the first team yesterday, but did do some light running under the guidance of the club's physio department. It is understood Mourinho is planning to play Branislav Ivanovic at centre back alongside Gary Cahill - with Cesar Azpilicueta and Ashley Cole the full backs - if Terry cannot make it. Meanwhile, it has emerged that Sheihk Mansour has sanctioned a move for midfielder Frank Lampard - who is suspended for the Atletico match. But the deal is with Melbourne Heart, not Manchester City. The super-rich Sheihk bought an 80 per cent stake in the A League club for £6.7m in January. Lampard is out of contract at the end of the season and is already being courted by LA Galaxy. Melboune are offering £60,000 a week after tax for two years, with the option of a third year. The 35-year-old, though, is hoping to secure another year's extension with the Blues and is unlikely to take up the Aussie option. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/376459/EXCLUSIVE-Injured-Chelsea-skipper-John-Terry-rated-50-50-for-Champions-League-return Edited April 29, 2014 by Murfy1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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