Falastur Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 7 hours ago, Kinnibari said: Why not just increase the cap? Several reasons, but they mostly come down to where the cost lands. Like the A-League, MLS has franchise owners who spend and some who can barely pay the rent. In general, the ones with little money are the earliest entrants to the league - I guess you could say that that's no surprise when you examine how much the buy-in fee to join the league has super-inflated. However, unlike the A-League, MLS is a single entity league. The league owns all the teams - not just their right to play, as in Australia, but their trademarks, their marketing presence and their players. If you lose your franchise you cannot simply look for another league to transfer your registration to, you simply no longer own a club. The way MLS operates this is to centralise everything. All merchandise, for example, is league-owned and operated and all revenue from it is divided equally. If one team generated 50% of the merch income, they would get not a penny more than a club who didn't sell a single item. Also, as mentioned, the players are owned and paid by the league, not the clubs - the league even independently handles all transfer negotiations, including whether to accept bids for players or what price to acquire them for. The teams can make requests on these items but cannot make demands. For the same reason, players cannot be sold between clubs, they can only be traded for other players, allocation money, international player slots, etc. They only this year introduced free agency, but it's very limited. Players are not free to pick which club they join, the league tells them where to go in accordance with the drafts they operate. Going back to the actual question, the clubs agree to pay the league the amount of salary that they share spending, including DP salaries. These are costs they directly pay, reducing league expenditure. Allocation money does not have to be paid by the clubs, meaning it is less controversial for the clubs with little money behind them who are arguing for the salary cap to be frozen, not increased. You could argue that it is just money that could otherwise be passed back to the clubs, but unlike leagues where the clubs have a say in the operation of the league, there's no such obligation in MLS so they wouldn't anyway. Allocation Money is just a nicety the league offers to its clubs to encourage them to get better players, and to encourage them to pay the top American stars well enough to (hopefully) persuade them not to go abroad. Now that I write this, it does suggest to me that the differences between MLS and the A-League mean that allocation money would not work properly, but still. It's a good system for the environment it exists in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 IMO this would be the perfect time to bring in a guest player on the level of del piero. Especially if we still have he momentum going into January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 On 28 May 2015 at 11:40 PM, Tesla said: I think CFG should "make a statement" and sign the man once known as "Dave". Yes, Ki. Now that lad would take the league by storm & Id expect to win the dunny seat. Hey, as several wise men on herehave already said (about their own suggestions) "it's not my money" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Here's an interesting one for you guys to debate. There's been a lot of talk all over the forum of late that Bruno should get Koren's marquee place when he is released at the end of the season. I completely agree with this. However as we are 90% sure that Mooy will also leave at the end of the season, that obviously leaves us with another open marquee spot. What does eveeyone think about Mooy's marquee spot being taken by Novillo? We've seen with Koren what can go wrong by signing an unproven A League marquee, and Tuna and Harry are proving to be the best combination in the league, almost as good as Broich and Berisha in Roars winning years. Both of them are among the best players in the league and both have been playing well enough to demand mega bucks. What are your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 I'd rather Novillo and Bruno stay under the cap and we have two new marquees next season, assuming Mooy goes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 The best way to keep them under the cap is to make them feel at home and appreciated. Plus any dodgy backdoor thing possible, like accomodation or a car or something with their family ahah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno cpfc Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Dylan said: The best way to keep them under the cap is to make them feel at home and appreciated. Plus any dodgy backdoor thing possible, like accomodation or a car or something with their family ahah. A La Perf Glory ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 1 hour ago, GreenSeater said: Here's an interesting one for you guys to debate. There's been a lot of talk all over the forum of late that Bruno should get Koren's marquee place when he is released at the end of the season. I completely agree with this. However as we are 90% sure that Mooy will also leave at the end of the season, that obviously leaves us with another open marquee spot. What does eveeyone think about Mooy's marquee spot being taken by Novillo? We've seen with Koren what can go wrong by signing an unproven A League marquee, and Tuna and Harry are proving to be the best combination in the league, almost as good as Broich and Berisha in Roars winning years. Both of them are among the best players in the league and both have been playing well enough to demand mega bucks. What are your thoughts? Well, if both Bruno and Novillo get decent offers from European teams (and Mooy leaves), wouldn't mind making them the marquee players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
possiblygeorge Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 2 hours ago, GreenSeater said: Here's an interesting one for you guys to debate. There's been a lot of talk all over the forum of late that Bruno should get Koren's marquee place when he is released at the end of the season. I completely agree with this. However as we are 90% sure that Mooy will also leave at the end of the season, that obviously leaves us with another open marquee spot. What does eveeyone think about Mooy's marquee spot being taken by Novillo? We've seen with Koren what can go wrong by signing an unproven A League marquee, and Tuna and Harry are proving to be the best combination in the league, almost as good as Broich and Berisha in Roars winning years. Both of them are among the best players in the league and both have been playing well enough to demand mega bucks. What are your thoughts? Yes yes yes. Like i said in another thread they are both the keys for us doing a lot of damage in this league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntiScum Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Imagine adding another two gun marquees on top of of Bruno & Harry to replace Koran & Mooy? mmmmmm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 9 minutes ago, hakz7 said: Well, if both Bruno and Novillo get decent offers from European teams (and Mooy leaves), wouldn't mind making them the marquee players. Agree with this. But it must be said as well that the club puts itself in a spot of bother when it signs a dud marquee. When the likes of Koren, who can't even make the bloody match-day squad on merit, is getting paid around $1 million bucks a season, and Fornroli and Novillo are on 1/3 of that (and probably less), it's fully understandable for them to wonder why they are not getting paid more. This is actually a really important reason why A-League clubs should sign players who are un-debatable marquees in the first place (like Del Piero, Ono and Engelaar) that won't turn out to be duds (like Koren), so the marquee spots are fully used and the team has some quality Visa players too, who understand why they aren't on marquee money: because there is a noticeable difference in class between those Visa players and the marquees. Hopefully our club gets the the marquee spots right soon, so there is zero chance of the Broich and Berisha dilemma at Brisbane of a few seasons ago (where Berisha left for Victory for marquee money) happening here. Mooy undoubtedly deserves his marquee spot (more goals scored and assisted in total than either Fornaroli or Novillo), so hopefully the other marquee spot gets sorted out soon, so every player in the team like Fornaroli and Novillo can have a spot in the team they are happy with. postscript: There's reputed to be a TV deal in the works that could well be completed before next season, possibly a 50% to 100% increase on the current revenue the FFA/Australian association football gets. If an improved TV deal happens, then there will be a clear flow on effect with an increased salary cap, and Melbourne City could give Fornaroli and Novillo deserved pay increases inside the cap. Hopefully this everyone-wins scenario occurs before next season, and these marquee discussions become unnecessary (and then Melbourne City could sign 2 quality marquees alongside Fornaroli and Novillo. That's a team you'd pay decent money to watch every season!). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 The issue of marquee signing is an interesting one. Marquee as in undoubtedly superior player who has played in the top leagues with title winning clubs and with name recognition such as ADP or Ono; OR, marquee as in being paid outside the salary cap such as Berisha who was unknown when he arrived. If Mooy does depart (as I expect him to) then I would prefer for straight replacement with someone of equal quality that can be paid outside the cap. That is I don't particularly care whether he is a name or not, he just has to be effective. Now, personally I think that Mooy, Novillo and Fornaroli depend on each other and we are seeing the results of their combined training and play making. If we take Mooy out of the team altogether will they be as effective? Sure I am all for making sure that they remain at the club long term but I also believe that they need a mid-field general to be effective. I am not particularly worried that either Fornaroli or Novillo will end up in Europe. Fornaroli has been there before and for whatever reason didn't make it. Novillo had been in the French system for a long time and we know that he had issues with the clubs. Europe has plenty of kids that want their chance and failing that plenty of talent to select from the non-european leagues. I suspect that clubs will just overlook them. Where I think that these two players would be tempted would be China, the MLS and of course the petro-leagues. That is where the offers will come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) @Murfy1 I agree Murphy. I think in order to ensure we keep Bruno and Harry under the cap for next season we need to bring in marquees that are not only big name players but bring another level of quality than these two offer. Edited January 10, 2016 by n i k o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 See my earlier post re Ki. Ok perhaps "a little" unrealistic (transfer fee, what 5M pound?), wages. Well if he'd come it would be at least $4M/season. So maybe some else, but I'd like to see them pay a transfer fee for a U29 box to box midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 According to Transfermarkt Robinho has been out of contract since 1st of Jan. Does he fit the criteria of a guest player? He does have past connections with CFG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, haz said: According to Transfermarkt Robinho has been out of contract since 1st of Jan. Does he fit the criteria of a guest player? He does have past connections with CFG CFG would never work with Robinho again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnibari Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 22 hours ago, Murfy1 said: postscript: There's reputed to be a TV deal in the works that could well be completed before next season, possibly a 50% to 100% increase on the current revenue the FFA/Australian association football gets. If an improved TV deal happens, then there will be a clear flow on effect with an increased salary cap, and Melbourne City could give Fornaroli and Novillo deserved pay increases inside the cap. Hopefully this everyone-wins scenario occurs before next season, and these marquee discussions become unnecessary (and then Melbourne City could sign 2 quality marquees alongside Fornaroli and Novillo. That's a team you'd pay decent money to watch every season!). That would be huge. Really hope it comes off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) On 09/01/2016 at 2:38 PM, Murfy1 said: There's reputed to be a TV deal in the works that could well be completed before next season, possibly a 50% to 100% increase on the current revenue. Where did you hear this from? What is the current deal worth (is it 160m over 4yrs)? Edited January 11, 2016 by MHFC-FAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 5 hours ago, MHFC-FAN said: Where did you hear this from? What is the current deal worth (is it 160m over 4yrs)? Correct the current deal is $40m a season (160 over 4 yrs). Some of the reports are here: - http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/new-tv-deal-could-underpin-expansion-to-12team-aleague-by-2017/news-story/dc5f6e7870b1a3e856c76590c70dde9f - http://www.afr.com/business/media-and-marketing/tv/football-federation-australia-considers-new-tvdeal-20150111-12m3my - http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/a-league/channel-nine-keen-to-show-saturday-night-aleague-matches/news-story/b9ff63d5a25c949cdc587f7c70888a50 - http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/soccer-the-game-must-move-to-a-major-freetoair-channel-to-compete-20151222-gltfat.html The proposed new TV deal has been estimated to be worth $80m a season. Although after this season I'd wager the deal might be a little less, but it still should be a very significant increase on the present deal. As the last report mentions a TV deal was in the works to replace SBS with Channel 10 this season, but due to red tape the deal didn't get over the line before the season started. So it looks like there's momentum for a new TV deal to be announced before next season, before the current deal expires in 2016-17 (at the end of next season). Anyway that's a sketch of the details reported on the TV deal. I'd say it's just a matter of time before a significantly improved TV deal is announced, and there's a chance it could get done before next season starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 The new TV deal will be nowhere near double. If they get $60 million/year they are lucky Besides I believe we are entering a cycle where the FFA is chasing its tail with regards to money with no improvement to the bottom line of the association or A-League club owners. What will-and has happened- is that with more money available the players stick their hands out for even more, the stadiums likewise. T We already had one of the most expensive national teams at the World Cup in 2010 and 2014. Lets get real here: this was a squad of players who were playing in lower leagues if they were playing at all, and in 2014 failed to earn a single point and conceded nine goals and scored 3. Instead of using the additional money to bring in quality imports- like the A-League did in the early years eg Yorke Kazu Carbone Juninho ADP Heskey Ono- the PFA have stitched up the FFA with giving rubbish locals pay rises instead This year the matildas negotiated massive pay increase and conditions yet they bring in next to nothing in revenue. Ticket prices rise as owners try to break even which makes it cost almost as much to watch an A-League game as it does an EPL game. The FFA screws grass roots to meet the demands of the PFA-yes your 12 year old is paying some of Matt Simon's wages. Get rid of the salary floor the salary cap and foreigner restrictions. Otherwise the A-league will remain the third rate league it is regardless of new TV deal money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Pints Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 Any suggestion that we could retain Bruno under the cap next season is crazy talk. The guy is as good as any striker in the history of this league, if not better. I'm sure he'd feel shafted if the club denied him marquee status next season and let's be honest- who could blame him? Not only is the prickly pear sublimely skilled but he sets the standard for defensive pressure week in, week out. He is a known quantity, plenty of players with large reputations have wilted in the Australian sun and many more will continue to do so. On the other hand I'm not sure about Novillo. Whilst he is incredibly damaging when on song there are still games where he swans around looking disinterested. He is also quite lucky to have stayed on the pitch after a couple of brain fades + there's the history of serious soft tissue injuries. Well paid but under the cap would be my preference for Harry. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 Salary cap is shit. Remove it and let us buy the next 50 championships 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 Wouldn't mind seeing any of these players whose contracts expire at the end of the season as marquee. Tom Huddlestone Hatem Ben Afra Vagnar Love Raul Meireles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 10 hours ago, Imperial Pints said: Any suggestion that we could retain Bruno under the cap next season is crazy talk. The guy is as good as any striker in the history of this league, if not better. I'm sure he'd feel shafted if the club denied him marquee status next season and let's be honest- who could blame him? Not only is the prickly pear sublimely skilled but he sets the standard for defensive pressure week in, week out. He is a known quantity, plenty of players with large reputations have wilted in the Australian sun and many more will continue to do so. On the other hand I'm not sure about Novillo. Whilst he is incredibly damaging when on song there are still games where he swans around looking disinterested. He is also quite lucky to have stayed on the pitch after a couple of brain fades + there's the history of serious soft tissue injuries. Well paid but under the cap would be my preference for Harry. Yeah we saw how it worked with Mooy. Some Asian club comes in with say $3M+ transfer fee for Tuna & whispers to his manager $1.5M/year. Next thing you know that manager is in with Munn negotiating Tunas new marquee contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 20 + goals per season is worth a marquee contract. Bruno is definitely in line for a new deal next season without question. How much really depends on the 2 marquee spots. There is a possibility we could land 2 amazing new marquees and that would leave Novillo and Fornaroli under the cap. If that could be done then wow. Exciting times just contemplating what might be and not half baked pipe dreams but genuine outcomes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 I dont think we will win anything this season which will probably keep bruno and novillo under the cap. Our club this season reminds me alot of the Visitors in Anges last year, Scoring for fun, defence let them down and they came third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 Surely Bruno has to be a marquee next season! We can't afford to lose a player like him. He has certainly earned it more so than that berisha cu#t. Other marquee position used on a quality Mooy replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 37 minutes ago, Dylan said: I dont think we will win anything this season which will probably keep bruno and novillo under the cap. Our club this season reminds me alot of the Visitors in Anges last year, Scoring for fun, defence let them down and they came third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 12, 2016 Report Share Posted January 12, 2016 44 minutes ago, Jovan said: 20 + goals per season is worth a marquee contract. Bruno is definitely in line for a new deal next season without question. How much really depends on the 2 marquee spots. There is a possibility we could land 2 amazing new marquees and that would leave Novillo and Fornaroli under the cap. If that could be done then wow. Exciting times just contemplating what might be and not half baked pipe dreams but genuine outcomes. I don't think the club would be doing the right thing to base marquee status on half a season. As the rules stand you don't get a second chance with a marquee - as we have seen with Koren. There's a long way to go this season, for the team and for individuals such as Tuna and Harry N. If you go though the list of players already contracted for next season you can see the task that Michael Petrillo, JD and van 't Schip have ahead of them to get the balance right. IMO KK's post above hits a number of nails right on the head. It's absurd that as fast as you develop or find a good player the odds are against you keeping him. These caps and associated rules ultimately have to go, and it's time to start making sensible moves to abolishing them. We're very lucky that CFG have invested in Melbourne and the League the way they have, because at the moment they're pretty well hamstrung with every move that they want to make to get a return on their investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmelbcity Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Fire up the marquee thread lads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) Get a cake and go lure Yaya Toure' Edited January 20, 2016 by Dylan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulhollanddrive Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 http://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/vertragslosespieler Free agents, not sure if still current. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Abdulrahman would be lovely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnibari Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Agree, but isn't he on stupid amounts of money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 50 minutes ago, Tonyboozeadams said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Abdulrahman would be lovely Would be an absolute star and a cult figure, but I'd so there is almost no chance he will leave the money he is on in UAE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Someone has reported on 442 that, from a good source, we may be getting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, neio said: Would be an absolute star and a cult figure, but I'd so there is almost no chance he will leave the money he is on in UAE That hair is worth the coin alone, though I'd rather Carlos Valderrama instead... Interesting to see he has trialed with Man City in the past and has also had knee injuries though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 1 minute ago, n i k o said: Someone has reported on 442 that, from a good source, we may be getting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michu I'm not sure what I think about this. Thing is, since his one amazing season in Swansea, he's done a grand total of nothing with his career. The fact that he's currently playing for a fourth tier amateur club says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC22 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, Falastur said: I'm not sure what I think about this. Thing is, since his one amazing season in Swansea, he's done a grand total of nothing with his career. The fact that he's currently playing for a fourth tier amateur club says it all. Bruno and Harry's careers had also stalled before coming here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 I have no idea who we might sign as a marquee or guest player. I just hope that name and reputation are not the main criteria, and it's the way the guy plays, a hard work ethic, and how he will complement the players we already have are more important criteria - as we have seen with Bruno Fornaroli. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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