Jimmy Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 41 minutes ago, hakz7 said: Would he have been on over 200k considering he was on marquee wages before? If so, will have freed up plenty of cap space. Have seen figures as high as 350k reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) Will miss willo, if for no other reason he seemed like he actually gave a shit and was always good for a yarn after a game Edited January 19, 2016 by mattyh001 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 1 hour ago, hakz7 said: Would he have been on over 200k considering he was on marquee wages before? If so, will have freed up plenty of cap space. 28 minutes ago, Jimmy said: Have seen figures as high as 350k reported. Yeah I believe those numbers are the range for what he was paid. Whatever the exact number we've freed up a significant amount of salary cap space. So by my estimate the club would have some room to move within the cap, especially if Caceres was signed as an injury replacement for Gameiro, as has been reported. Even if the club signs Fitzgerald, the club might have the scope to bring in one more decent player inside the cap. Although I'm not 100% sure about the squad numbers, so 1 more player might have to leave for us to bring in a new decent player that uses up that now free salary cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 8 hours ago, hyperfuzz said: pretty sure Kisnorbo, Garruccio, Retre, Mauk were all Heart. Yeah. Garrucio and Kisnorbo are two of the first names I remember having to learn so pretty sure they were Heart players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 8 hours ago, Murfy1 said: Yeah I believe those numbers are the range for what he was paid. Whatever the exact number we've freed up a significant amount of salary cap space. So by my estimate the club would have some room to move within the cap, especially if Caceres was signed as an injury replacement for Gameiro, as has been reported. Even if the club signs Fitzgerald, the club might have the scope to bring in one more decent player inside the cap. Although I'm not 100% sure about the squad numbers, so 1 more player might have to leave for us to bring in a new decent player that uses up that now free salary cap space. He was on 350k before but it dropped for the last two seasons, when he signed his old deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) 16 hours ago, hyperfuzz said: pretty sure Kisnorbo, Garruccio, Retre, Mauk were all Heart. That's correct. All there in season 2013-14 when we were still Heart. All the best Willo. Hope you can re-capture form and success in your new venture. Edited January 20, 2016 by jw1739 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Scored some nice goals but didnt reach the heights that seemed possible. Was always great with the fans and the kids and ironically was better under JA. ... and I'll never forget that standing ovation he got when he came on in the 63rd minute of the All-stars game. Spine tingling stuff! if I remember correctly he was replacing Del Piero 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 16 minutes ago, Torn Asunder said: Scored some nice goals but didnt reach the heights that seemed possible. Was always great with the fans and the kids and ironically was better under JA. ... and I'll never forget that standing ovation he got when he came on in the 63rd minute of the All-stars game. Spine tingling stuff! if I remember correctly he was replacing Del Piero Well maybe the standing ovation was for Del Piero? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, Tony999 said: Well maybe the standing ovation was for Del Piero? I think he is taking the piss 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 Thanks for the memories Willo. Did some sensational stuff on his day, his goal against Sydney FC is my favourite memory of this club. One of the better blokes to have played for us too, will be missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityslicker09 Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 His goal against SFC late in the game was one of the best heart memories/wins. Thank you Willo. Best of luck where ever you may go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortheloveofthegame Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 Spud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 4 goals per season. marquee dollars. if we lose we lose.. just think if we gave Koren another 5 seasons he could have been the next David Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronAV11 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 so the big question is who gets his super Dave chant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, Kiro Kompiro said: 4 goals per season. marquee dollars. if we lose we lose.. just think if we gave Koren another 5 seasons he could have been the next David Williams. you do realise that Dave's 'marquee' status was just creative accounting in a year where there was no designated Aus marquee? He was on no more than 350k tops at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Just now, bt50 said: you do realise that Dave's 'marquee' status was just creative accounting in a year where there was no designated Aus marquee? He was on no more than 350k tops at that time. Source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, Kiro Kompiro said: Source? Where's your source that there is something to be upset about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Just now, bt50 said: Where's your source that there is something to be upset about? So you have no source about his wages. FWIW David Williams should never got a contract extension. His output and attitude are the very embodiment of the Heart years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Just now, Kiro Kompiro said: So you have no source about his wages. FWIW David Williams should never got a contract extension. His output and attitude are the very embodiment of the Heart years. I'm not going to go searching through five years of articles and threads to appease you of all people. Dave was placed as marquee because he was the highest earning Australian player at the time in order to free up extra cap space for another 200-300k player. As far as being resigned, he'd just come off a season where he'd come second in the golden boot in a year we finished last. Think a contract extension is well deserved in that situation. The terms however are another argument completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 15 minutes ago, bt50 said: I'm not going to go searching through five years of articles and threads to appease you of all people. Dave was placed as marquee because he was the highest earning Australian player at the time in order to free up extra cap space for another 200-300k player. As far as being resigned, he'd just come off a season where he'd come second in the golden boot in a year we finished last. Think a contract extension is well deserved in that situation. The terms however are another argument completely. Me of all people? Who else would you "appease" with facts given that you replied to MY comment? Williams was one of the highest paid players at the club. For what? Four goals per season? Glad to see the back of the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Kiro Kompiro said: Me of all people? Who else would you "appease" with facts given that you replied to MY comment? Williams was one of the highest paid players at the club. For what? Four goals per season? Glad to see the back of the guy. Take it this way, I'm not going to go to that much effort to prove a point to the forum's most negative and floggish poster. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 21 minutes ago, bt50 said: Take it this way, I'm not going to go to that much effort to prove a point to the forum's most negative and floggish poster. PFFFTTTT, A Melbournian "Leader" calling someone else a flog. Heard it all now. Fucking delusional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, Kiro Kompiro said: PFFFTTTT, A Melbournian "Leader" calling someone else a flog. Heard it all now. Fucking delusional. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Williams was the best of a bad bunch, and deserved an extension (due, arguably to the strength of our squad at the time). If memory serves, the only way I found out he was a marquee was due to a line in a Michael Lynch article, there wasn't much made of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 11 minutes ago, bt50 said: yeah no worries bud I'll give a fairy clap when you co-ordinate your first chant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tommykins said: Williams was the best of a bad bunch, and deserved an extension (due, arguably to the strength of our squad at the time). If memory serves, the only way I found out he was a marquee was due to a line in a Michael Lynch article, there wasn't much made of it. The bloke was heavily flawed and I often called for him to be used only as an impact sub only, but he deserves some credit because he arrived with a far bit of buzz from NQR and instantly got sent into the Wilderness by JVS and played a lot of NYL but kept hanging there when many others would have swapped clubs. He then worked his arse off in the Season 3 Preseason, clearly dropped some weight he had gained and got back in the side, and always was there for the fans. He also has the rare distinction of being basically the only player who JVS put offside as he often does to blokes (In Season 2) and then who actually found some solid form under JVS at the end of Season 4. Edited January 22, 2016 by cadete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, Kiro Kompiro said: yeah no worries bud I'll give a fairy clap when you co-ordinate your first chant. Another uneducated gem. Youre that far off the mark it isnt funny. But sure, go and take another wild guess and run with it as fact, nothing we dont regularly see from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, Kiro Kompiro said: yeah no worries bud I'll give a fairy clap when you co-ordinate your first chant. Seriously mate, that is a comment directly about Active Support and not the other poster's opinion on a player... how is it relevant and how are you qualified to make such a comment? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Getting back to Williams, I can't remember the last time he made an impact, except for giving the crowd facial injuries or putting dints in the roof when taking a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Few games ago he cut one back for Fornaroli was a quality assist, but yeah really has been out of form for a while. The only thing is that he played 100 games for us and deserves some respect and gratitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) He was what he was: A Melbourne Heart Player... What can you expect from a bloke that played for a club who once he had arrived had decide to cease the injection of money for player recruitment, facilities, and notably its coaches... sure Heart had better players than Williams but how many of them were real A-League bonafide stars by the time he arrived? Not Many... most of them were just like Willow they all had their fairly different noticable flaws as they were who the club could attract and afford. Edited January 22, 2016 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) Last season I remember him coming on and pressing for the final 30 mins. Made a few key turn overs, two led to goals. When he did stuff like that he was amazing. Problem was he did that once every ten games and couldn't hit the side of a barn door. A waste of a potentially decent a-league player. Shame he didn't give a fuck Edited January 22, 2016 by Tonyboozeadams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Willo never gave a fuck about the club. I still remember his first press conference with us when we signed him, he didn't really give a fuck about the club, just looking to use us as a springboard to go to europe mid year. Oh he also rocked up to the club more then once overweight from pre-season, some professional he was. All he did was get a lot of stats on a bad team. Does it make you a good player if you score a lot of goals, simply because we had no other options outside of the legendary Maltese messi? Someone has to score them, and look how much good it did for us. You'd also think if he was that good that season overseas clubs or even other a-league clubs would've been circling for his signuature but surprise surprise none of them ever did hmmmmm.... Very much overrated sorry, glad to see the back of him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 1 minute ago, kingofhearts said: Willo never gave a fuck about the club. I still remember his first press conference with us when we signed him, he didn't really give a fuck about the club, just looking to use us as a springboard to go to europe mid year. Oh he also rocked up to the club more then once overweight from pre-season, some professional he was. All he did was get a lot of stats on a bad team. Does it make you a good player if you score a lot of goals, simply because we had no other options outside of the legendary Maltese messi? Someone has to score them, and look how much good it did for us. You'd also think if he was that good that season overseas clubs or even other a-league clubs would've been circling for his signuature but surprise surprise none of them ever did hmmmmm.... Very much overrated sorry, glad to see the back of him. Out of likes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 12 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: Willo never gave a fuck about the club. I still remember his first press conference with us when we signed him, he didn't really give a fuck about the club, just looking to use us as a springboard to go to europe mid year. Oh he also rocked up to the club more then once overweight from pre-season, some professional he was. All he did was get a lot of stats on a bad team. Does it make you a good player if you score a lot of goals, simply because we had no other options outside of the legendary Maltese messi? Someone has to score them, and look how much good it did for us. You'd also think if he was that good that season overseas clubs or even other a-league clubs would've been circling for his signuature but surprise surprise none of them ever did hmmmmm.... Very much overrated sorry, glad to see the back of him. out of likes as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 1 hour ago, japiedog said: 1 hour ago, kingofhearts said: Willo never gave a fuck about the club. I still remember his first press conference with us when we signed him, he didn't really give a fuck about the club, just looking to use us as a springboard to go to europe mid year. Oh he also rocked up to the club more then once overweight from pre-season, some professional he was. All he did was get a lot of stats on a bad team. Does it make you a good player if you score a lot of goals, simply because we had no other options outside of the legendary Maltese messi? Someone has to score them, and look how much good it did for us. You'd also think if he was that good that season overseas clubs or even other a-league clubs would've been circling for his signuature but surprise surprise none of them ever did hmmmmm.... Very much overrated sorry, glad to see the back of him. not sure whats happening with my quotes... even in that season where he scored 12, he missed so many simple chances. I think it was against Perth at home where he missed one from 2 yards out with no keeper. he should of scored 20+ that season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Tonyboozeadams said: Last season I remember him coming on and pressing for the final 30 mins. Made a few key turn overs, two led to goals. When he did stuff like that he was amazing. Problem was he did that once every ten games and couldn't hit the side of a barn door. A waste of a potentially decent a-league player. Shame he didn't give a fuck I actually think he just had a big gap between his best and worst TBH rather than it being a question of effort... hence he really turned in an reasonable game amongst the good and many bad ones. He either pulled shit off or he didn't and unfortunately all his best assets which made him a professional footballer were based around him playing one particular way which was using his pace to take guys on and blaze at goal... if had not played this way he would probably never had made to the level he did at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Just now, cadete said: I actually think he just had a big gap between his best and worst TBH rather than it being a question of effort... hence he really turned in an reasonable game amongst the good and many bad ones. He either pulled shit off or he didn't and unfortunately all his best assets which made him a professional footballer were based around him playing one particular way which was using his pace to take guys on and blaze at goal... if had not played this way he would probably never had made to the level he did at all. Agree with this. To add to that, once his confidence became shot during last season he just never regained it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Saying he lacked confidence is just an excuse imo. He was a good player earlier on for NQF, what killed him was his work rate. The rest of the league got better, and yet willo didn't work any harder to keep up, he thought he could just skate through on the fact he had a bit of pace. His touch for example, for someone who is suppose to be played as an out and out striker it honestly seemed like it got worse and worse the longer he player for us. And the misses fuck I just remember always saying "he was a player with potential" sadly that's all he'll ever be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Oh Im not saying it as an excuse. More just a statement of what happened. I don't subscribe to the belief that he didn't give a fuck though, ultimately he just wasn't good enough often enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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