belaguttman Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, fensaddler said: And who might that be? I think it started about Wednesday... It started Wednesday evening just after the Socceroos game, just at the time when Bambi opened his mouth 19 hours ago, johnno cpfc said: And when you have oversize ego's in the changeroom (Cahil) there will be disruptions. There'll always be one ego larger than the others, even in the U12s. It's the coach's job to manage this Edited November 20, 2017 by belaguttman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, belaguttman said: It started Tuesday evening just after the Socceroos game, just at the time when Bambi opened his mouth That was Wednesday night? But yes, I agree on where it started... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 If the Fernando rumour is true then there is a major issue and it basically stems from Wazza. Now the Cahill saga from what I can tell is really caused by Cahill's personal needs and ego but this new Fernando situation is something different. Now I'm from a school of thought that at a proffessional soccer club not all players are equal. That some are more important than others and alternatively some are less important. To treat all equally and on their merits is all well and good but ultimately its about winning and sometimes you need to make exceptions and alternative rules or boundaries to accommodate better players. Now there is a point where your authority can be undermined but by and large if you make the rules and "manage" some players then you should be able to create a strong culture and retain the more talented players. So in this case for me as long as it's clear whats expected then some things can be overlooked to keep good players. So essentially as a manager you need to select the best players available to the way you want to play or the way in which you think will win the upcoming game and sticking with concrete rules can be detrimental especially short term but also in the long run. So by and large a manager needs to manage and not police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted November 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) Old Wazza is going down the anglo route of getting rid off all the exciting players and making us as boring as bat shit even this merit based approach we have heard from him has been exposed as a total sham. Anyway I have thought this all along but its clear what he likes, young players and 'Yes' men because they are obedient. Too piss weak to handle a senior player. I bet he tries to shelve off Bruno next. back to out before Xmas again IMO. Edited November 21, 2017 by Dylan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Jovan said: If the Fernando rumour is true then there is a major issue and it basically stems from Wazza. Now the Cahill saga from what I can tell is really caused by Cahill's personal needs and ego but this new Fernando situation is something different. Now I'm from a school of thought that at a proffessional soccer club not all players are equal. That some are more important than others and alternatively some are less important. To treat all equally and on their merits is all well and good but ultimately its about winning and sometimes you need to make exceptions and alternative rules or boundaries to accommodate better players. Now there is a point where your authority can be undermined but by and large if you make the rules and "manage" some players then you should be able to create a strong culture and retain the more talented players. So in this case for me as long as it's clear whats expected then some things can be overlooked to keep good players. So essentially as a manager you need to select the best players available to the way you want to play or the way in which you think will win the upcoming game and sticking with concrete rules can be detrimental especially short term but also in the long run. So by and large a manager needs to manage and not police. The only extra accomodation for better players should be financial accomodation i.e. larger pay packet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rass Posted November 21, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 FWIW, I reckon Joyce is going ok. Yeah there may have been some things he could have done differently, but all in all, the team is good shape. I think he can only choose who he sees is training the hardest, is suitable for the job that week and with caution to changing a winning side. I also think he won't buckle down to TC's pressure and will continue doing things his way. On some of the matters of concern here on the forum, I can confirm Brandan, Ross and Timmy all trained today. The only missing were Bruno (doing work inside) and Carrusca. Brandan looks ok, but in game scenarios it is obvious he is very rusty and judging by some of the sprints, he's still a way to go before being fit. But he's probably not that far off breaking into the game day squad - won't happen this week however imo. I reckon we'll see some interesting changes this week that should please a few of us on here. Scratch that - most of us on here are happier thinking the world would end, so no doubt would find issue in anything we do, unless we win 14-0 every week. Oh and Budzinski is getting fitter week by week and running much better than what he did when i watched him train before Round 1. 17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 31 minutes ago, rass said: FWIW, I reckon Joyce is going ok. Yeah there may have been some things he could have done differently, but all in all, the team is good shape. I think he can only choose who he sees is training the hardest, is suitable for the job that week and with caution to changing a winning side. I also think he won't buckle down to TC's pressure and will continue doing things his way. On some of the matters of concern here on the forum, I can confirm Brandan, Ross and Timmy all trained today. The only missing were Bruno (doing work inside) and Carrusca. Brandan looks ok, but in game scenarios it is obvious he is very rusty and judging by some of the sprints, he's still a way to go before being fit. But he's probably not that far off breaking into the game day squad - won't happen this week however imo. I reckon we'll see some interesting changes this week that should please a few of us on here. Scratch that - most of us on here are happier thinking the world would end, so no doubt would find issue in anything we do, unless we win 14-0 every week. Oh and Budzinski is getting fitter week by week and running much better than what he did when i watched him train before Round 1. Great post. Cheers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Way too positive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombegongal Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 18 hours ago, haz said: So far 'Rossco' doesnt even deserve a spot on the U16 team Yeah he is struggling in front of goals from open play. Every time he misses a sitter I think 20 million has the world gone mad? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 6 hours ago, rass said: FWIW, I reckon Joyce is going ok. Yeah there may have been some things he could have done differently, but all in all, the team is good shape. I think he can only choose who he sees is training the hardest, is suitable for the job that week and with caution to changing a winning side. I also think he won't buckle down to TC's pressure and will continue doing things his way. On some of the matters of concern here on the forum, I can confirm Brandan, Ross and Timmy all trained today. The only missing were Bruno (doing work inside) and Carrusca. Brandan looks ok, but in game scenarios it is obvious he is very rusty and judging by some of the sprints, he's still a way to go before being fit. But he's probably not that far off breaking into the game day squad - won't happen this week however imo. I reckon we'll see some interesting changes this week that should please a few of us on here. Scratch that - most of us on here are happier thinking the world would end, so no doubt would find issue in anything we do, unless we win 14-0 every week. Oh and Budzinski is getting fitter week by week and running much better than what he did when i watched him train before Round 1. That would be great news, all I want is to be pleased Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellenic Hero Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 8 hours ago, rass said: FWIW, I reckon Joyce is going ok. Yeah there may have been some things he could have done differently, but all in all, the team is good shape. I think he can only choose who he sees is training the hardest, is suitable for the job that week and with caution to changing a winning side. I also think he won't buckle down to TC's pressure and will continue doing things his way. On some of the matters of concern here on the forum, I can confirm Brandan, Ross and Timmy all trained today. The only missing were Bruno (doing work inside) and Carrusca. Brandan looks ok, but in game scenarios it is obvious he is very rusty and judging by some of the sprints, he's still a way to go before being fit. But he's probably not that far off breaking into the game day squad - won't happen this week however imo. I reckon we'll see some interesting changes this week that should please a few of us on here. Scratch that - most of us on here are happier thinking the world would end, so no doubt would find issue in anything we do, unless we win 14-0 every week. Oh and Budzinski is getting fitter week by week and running much better than what he did when i watched him train before Round 1. Maybe he won't at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 so injured that he's back in full training? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inferno Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 27 minutes ago, Hellenic Hero said: Maybe he won't at all... You believe too many things my friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 31 minutes ago, belaguttman said: so injured that he's back in full training? Quite. He'd hardly be training and too injured to play again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 39 minutes ago, Hellenic Hero said: Maybe he won't at all... I can only tell you what i saw with my own eyes and that is he trained today. The main part of training was a sharp game between what looked a starting 11 and a secondary 11. Brandan didn't play in either; he trained off to the side with a few of the younger guys. He then joined the second 11 after a short drinks break where he had some nice touches but was very rusty. They then did some sprint work where he was off the pace. He was in good spirits though and was chatty after training. I hope he stays as he's a real talent and we can't expect Kamau and Fitzy to play a full 90 minutes every week, though the move of Brattan to a wing has given us some extra flexibility now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtellingyou Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Ange for Wazza ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Imtellingyou said: Ange for Wazza ? Ange wants a break and Wazza's doing a decent job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Ange is following the money to China that's why he resigned. He is a deceiving liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Reckon Ange has mental health issues . Very odd behaviour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missing_Moy Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Great presser from the Gaffer theres nothing in the Cahill or Mccormack reports 4-0 win over glory !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, Missing_Moy said: Great presser from the Gaffer theres nothing in the Cahill or Mccormack reports 4-0 win over glory !! Link to presser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted November 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 20 minutes ago, Missing_Moy said: Great presser from the Gaffer theres nothing in the Cahill or Mccormack reports 4-0 win over glory !! Lol mate what the coach says at a press conference should be the last thing you use to justify dismissing those reports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jovan said: Link to presser. 56 minutes ago, Dylan said: Lol mate what the coach says at a press conference should be the last thing you use to justify dismissing those reports. That's pretty cynical. I'd rather think that he's being refreshingly honest. Did you listen to what he actually said about McCormack's training routine - the swimming for example? He's not going to make that sort of thing up. Edited November 23, 2017 by jw1739 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 25 minutes ago, jw1739 said: That's pretty cynical. I'd rather think that he's being refreshingly honest. Did you listen to what he actually said about McCormack's training routine - the swimming for example? He's not going to make that sort of thing up. That's a very interesting insight into Wazza and his coaching style. He comes across as pretty down to earth, won't take bullshit from players or media, and challenges the younger guys to be in the Socceroos lineup. Above all else, the over riding aim is to give 100% for the team. Like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted November 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) 59 minutes ago, jw1739 said: That's pretty cynical. I'd rather think that he's being refreshingly honest. Did you listen to what he actually said about McCormack's training routine - the swimming for example? He's not going to make that sort of thing up. No he wont make that up, but that could easily be not describing how it has been every day, or how he has been recently or he could have picked a random day from this week that he did that. You say its cynical. Fine, and you can choose to think that he is telling the truth which has no bearing on the fact if he is or issnt. At the end of the day, the press conference is to spin stories on both sides and for Joyce, first and foremost, protect the players. He did not say the story was incorrect. Edited November 23, 2017 by Dylan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Dylan said: No he wont make that up, but that could easily be not describing how it has been every day, or how he has been recently or he could have picked a random day from this week that he did that. You say its cynical. Fine, and you can choose to think that he is telling the truth which has no bearing on the fact if he is or issnt. At the end of the day, the press conference is to spin stories on both sides and for Joyce, first and foremost, protect the players. He did not say the story was incorrect. No he didn't, but he also didn't say a whole lot of other things. That's not a strong argument, IMO, for saying that the story was correct. One of my pet gripes is that I can't hear what's actually asked by the journos, but was he asked directly whether McCormack was disciplined - i.e. dropped - for being late for training? Alternatively was he asked directly whether the report of same in the Herald Sun was accurate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 22 minutes ago, jw1739 said: No he didn't, but he also didn't say a whole lot of other things. That's not a strong argument, IMO, for saying that the story was correct. One of my pet gripes is that I can't hear what's actually asked by the journos, but was he asked directly whether McCormack was disciplined - i.e. dropped - for being late for training? Alternatively was he asked directly whether the report of same in the Herald Sun was accurate? Completely inaccurate. Wazza confirmed 100% that he wasn't dropped becasue of disciplinary reasons. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted November 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Anyway, Windley has doubled down on it and Joyce didnt deny it directly. There is only one person waffling about this issue and it issnt Windley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Dylan said: Anyway, Windley has doubled down on it and Joyce didnt deny it directly. There is only one person waffling about this issue and it issnt Windley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Either you believe Wazza who's job it is to advance the team or the media who's job it is to create headlines. That's the choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Rate Wazza every time I hear him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missing_Moy Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Dear Wazza - Fitzy is our best winger don’t fucking ply him at RB - Kamau has done nothing in the last 4 weeks give Azarni a crack on the wing and when Fernando is back he starts -Malik is fucking hopeless Kilkenny and Brattan every week over this flog a 4 week ban will do us favours - don’t preach defence and start playing attackers in the back four it’s a joke 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, Missing_Moy said: Dear Wazza - Fitzy is our best winger don’t fucking ply him at RB - Kamau has done nothing in the last 4 weeks give Azarni a crack on the wing and when Fernando is back he starts -Malik is fucking hopeless Kilkenny and Brattan every week over this flog a 4 week ban will do us favours - don’t preach defence and start playing attackers in the back four it’s a joke I have some sympathy with much of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtellingyou Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 He wears shorts, has a great presses, he's hardnosed, he's got a plan... Why would we want anything else and more. Can someone please reverse topic to original subject. Hint - includes Xmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXCiTyZeNXx Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Wazzas post match quick interveiw says the same shit everyweek. "We were slow first half but good second half." Then if u know that, then fix it ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thrillhouse Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Wheels falling off already, fuck all creativity in the squad, no finishing and defensively all over the place, no pressure on the opponents still can't pick a balanced team and constant talk of shit going on inside the club can't be good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasputin Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Bring back JVS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 He made changes after some shit performances, but they weren't the right ones. He needs to get the structure right asap as he has the cattle. We've got away with a makeshift midfield but it's time he sorts this out now. We have no creativity in linking forward, our only idea seems to be to push wide slowly and then come back in. Malik and Mauk need to be replaced with Brattan and Kilkenny and Budzinski needs to be more involved or give it to Carrusca when/if he's fit. He also needs to work out his defence. It was terrific early but not now. He needs to work out the best 4 out of Jamo, Jako, Roc, Bart and Muscat. Either Roc is the unlucky one or Muscat goes and Bart moves right. Credit for trying something this week but unfortunately, Fitzy wasn't the answer. Up forward, get Kamau off and try an Arzani or Crowley (this kid is seriously quick) for a week or two or until Brandan is back. It's like a jigsaw, just need to put the pieces in their right place. We also have a few missing pieces that will help once they're back. Despite the doom and gloom on here from watching the shit tonight, we actually aren't that far away. Hopefully the players can continue to believe in him. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 WAZZA YOU FUCKING FLOG CUNT HOW HARD IS TO START YOUR BEST 11 YOU FUCK NUGGET PRICK GALEKOFLOG SHOULD HAVE BEEN DROPPED FROM LAST GAME BOUZANIS MUSCOT JAKOBSEN BART JAMESIN KILKENNY MAUK BUD (ANYONE BUT KAMAU. ARZANI? EVEN MCCORMACK FFS) CAHILL FITZY 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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