HEARTinator Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 21 minutes ago, Jovan said: We won in spite of any coherent tactics and functioning formation. Was a really strange way we played tonight. Massive win but does zero for any confidence next few weeks. Will enjoy it nonetheless. Exactly. We were out possessed but were brilliant where it counted. That was the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, Dylan said: Yeah I watched the replay and it Wassnt a red. Kisnorbo knew exactly what he was doing. Had that smirk he does on his face the whole aftermath ahah The guy is the ultimate pro, the way he milks the fouls when he needs it (typically getting knocked over by a stick insect) & commits one when he knows the price is affordable. Pretty sure he is writing a book titled "101 ways to win at defending". he was great in the second half. Snuffed out everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 1 minute ago, Shahanga said: The guy is the ultimate pro, the way he milks the fouls when he needs it (typically getting knocked over by a stick insect) & commits one when he knows the price is affordable. Pretty sure he is writing a book titled "101 ways to win at defending". he was great in the second half. Snuffed out everything. Easily his best season for us. He is that old war horse every club needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyheart Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Falastur said: Fornaroli now has only one goal less than the entire Jets team. Just throwing that out there. Fornaroli, Mooy & Novillo combined have more goals than any other team this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 5 minutes ago, Shahanga said: The guy is the ultimate pro, the way he milks the fouls when he needs it (typically getting knocked over by a stick insect) & commits one when he knows the price is affordable. Pretty sure he is writing a book titled "101 ways to win at defending". he was great in the second half. Snuffed out everything. Agree with that. Now he has to improve to just keep his spot ahead of Chapman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Well, I'm quite happy to go along and see my City have no discernible game plan and use bizarre tactics, and all the other things that you experts go on about, if that's what will deliver us a 3-0 win in a critical match for us. Perhaps it isn't for the purists but it'll do me every time. The game's about scoring more goals than your opponent and that's what we did tonight. And it was a privilege to be there to see our record-breaking striker named Fornaroli, the best overseas player we've ever had. Enjoyed every minute of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 6 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Well, I'm quite happy to go along and see my City have no discernible game plan and use bizarre tactics, and all the other things that you experts go on about, if that's what will deliver us a 3-0 win in a critical match for us. Perhaps it isn't for the purists but it'll do me every time. The game's about scoring more goals than your opponent and that's what we did tonight. And it was a privilege to be there to see our record-breaking striker named Fornaroli, the best overseas player we've ever had. Enjoyed every minute of it. Agree 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) Sydney fuckwits Edited March 5, 2016 by n i k o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Just now, n i k o said: Hmm was this the reason for the chant directed at the Sydney fans for "running away"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, n i k o said: Sydney fuckwits Another media beat up #we'reinnocent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) If the season was to end now, who wins Player of the Season? Mooy or Bruno? Edited March 5, 2016 by hakz7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melburnian Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Bruno. Yet to see a season like his. Thought we were Rubbish for the most part tonight. Couldn't work out the tactics. Thank the Football Gods for Bruno Fornaroli. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnibari Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 25 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Well, I'm quite happy to go along and see my City have no discernible game plan and use bizarre tactics, and all the other things that you experts go on about, if that's what will deliver us a 3-0 win in a critical match for us. Perhaps it isn't for the purists but it'll do me every time. The game's about scoring more goals than your opponent and that's what we did tonight. And it was a privilege to be there to see our record-breaking striker named Fornaroli, the best overseas player we've ever had. Enjoyed every minute of it. It was a weird match. Great final scoreline but very frustrating to watch. We looked very disjointed, although the second half was an improvement on the first half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Agree with lots of what's been said. Wierd game. The pretty narrow 4-4-2 diamond the team played most of the game was mind boggling and just plain wrong. A real stuff up from JVS. It helped Sydney stay pretty comfortable in the first half. We needed to use the flanks, and sure enough all of our goals had the ball being delievered from wide areas. And the team got better and better unsurprisingly as central players got replaced by wide players (first Fitzgerald for Melling, then Zullo for Caceres). IMO the tactics contributed to the excessive amount of errant passes we saw throughout the game (also at the same time a few players could improve with their passing, in particular the recent signings Malik and Caceres). Don't let the tactics detract from a truly sublime performance from Bruno Fornaroli, though. He's making a bid to be this club's best ever signing, and it was a special match of football to watch to see Fornaroli break the A-League record for goals scored in a season, and score the club's second ever A-League hat trick. He's 1 goal away from scoring as many goals as our top strikers over our last 3 seasons combined (Williams last season 3, Williams 2013-14 12, Tadic 2012-13 6). This game was the perfect reminder that no matter what happens in the game that Bruno Fornaroli is always worth the price of admission (and Mooy and Novillo are pretty good value too). A true club hero in the making. Other noteworthy points: - Credit to Novillo, he performed well on return and produced a class assist - It could never be a red on Kisnorbo due to the cover smartly provided by Wilkinson. TBH I'm not too fussed by Kisnorbo doing whatever it takes to prevent a goal. I wouldn't want to see a lot of cynical defending, but would like to see more grit and tough experience with our defending - Second cleansheet all season, so credit to Malik, the back four and Sorensen - Credit to the great atmosphere from the Melburnians All up, even though it wasn't a high quality match of champagne football for 90 minutes, it was a match of unforgettable Fornaroli magic. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Don't know what you guys are going on about with regards to formation and tactics, as tonight was a typical 442 with centre diamond and the game style was a typical mid field fight. Sure it wasn't a free flowing game that we are used to but it was great to watch IMO. The squad selection was understandable but the chemistry was a bit off as to be expected. Garuccio LB is a bit questionable but he redeemed himself in the 2nd half Malik tracking back to plug the holes in defence was good to see and obviously the idea worked seeing we did not concede. I thought Caseres was good in possession and held the ball up well until the others were in better positions. Bruno, Harry and Mooy, well , nothing to say really except brilliant. Overall, the structure dictated the style of play to an extent, and the way the game panned out was to be expected with a solid defence, a mid field battle and build up and brilliant finishing. A very pretty picture indeed. Should hold up well next week against Adelaide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recyclosaurusrex Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 12 minutes ago, Murfy1 said: Agree with lots of what's been said. Wierd game. The pretty narrow 4-4-2 diamond the team played most of the game was mind boggling and just plain wrong. A real stuff up from JVS. It helped Sydney stay pretty comfortable in the first half. We needed to use the flanks, and sure enough all of our goals had the ball being delievered from wide areas. And the team got better and better unsurprisingly as central players got replaced by wide players (first Fitzgerald for Melling, then Zullo for Caceres). IMO the tactics contributed to the excessive amount of errant passes we saw throughout the game (also at the same time a few players could improve with their passing, in particular the recent signings Malik and Caceres). Don't let the tactics detract from a truly sublime performance from Bruno Fornaroli, though. He's making a bid to be this club's best ever signing, and it was a special match of football to watch to see Fornaroli break the A-League record for goals scored in a season, and score the club's second ever A-League hat trick. He's 1 goal away from scoring as many goals as our top strikers over our last 3 seasons combined (Williams last season 3, Williams 2013-14 12, Tadic 2012-13 6). This game was the perfect reminder that no matter what happens in the game that Bruno Fornaroli is always worth the price of admission (and Mooy and Novillo are pretty good value too). A true club hero in the making. Other noteworthy points: - Credit to Novillo, he performed well on return and produced a class assist - It could never be a red on Kisnorbo due to the cover smartly provided by Wilkinson. TBH I'm not too fussed by Kisnorbo doing whatever it takes to prevent a goal. I wouldn't want to see a lot of cynical defending, but would like to see more grit and tough experience with our defending - Second cleansheet all season, so credit to Malik, the back four and Sorensen - Credit to the great atmosphere from the Melburnians All up, even though it wasn't a high quality match of champagne football for 90 minutes, it was a match of unforgettable Fornaroli magic. 3rd hat-trick in the league, 4th overall. Williams against Wellington. Koren against Newcastle. Mooy against Heidelberg. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 Snoozefest 1st half caceras is still shit crowd numbers being boosted, doubt there was 8500ish zullo must be very unfit if gooch is starting over him, at fault for the kisnorbo incident, lost his man for a free header in the 1st half and more lacklustre passing finally a clean sheet but fuck me dead could sorenson hit a fucking target when kicking it long 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coys Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 I'm overseas and managed to watch the game what a great win but cam across an article about an apparent "violent mass brawl" before the game at the imperial. Just wondering if whatever happened was anywhere near as bad as the herald sun is making it out to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 25 minutes ago, coys said: I'm overseas and managed to watch the game what a great win but cam across an article about an apparent "violent mass brawl" before the game at the imperial. Just wondering if whatever happened was anywhere near as bad as the herald sun is making it out to be. Supposedly their was a couple of deaths but outside of that nothing too major. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 41 minutes ago, coys said: I'm overseas and managed to watch the game what a great win but cam across an article about an apparent "violent mass brawl" before the game at the imperial. Just wondering if whatever happened was anywhere near as bad as the herald sun is making it out to be. Drunk 40 year old fights three 15 year olds doesn't sell papers sadly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/aleague-both-coaches-praise-citys-recordbreaker-bruno-fornaroli-20160305-gnbl05.html A-League: Both coaches praise City's record-breaker Bruno Fornaroli Michael Lynch Bruno Fornaroli of Melbourne City and Andrew Hoole of Sydney FC have an argument during the game. Photo: Getty Images Melbourne City boss John van 't Schip hailed record-breaking striker Bruno Fornaroli on Saturday after the Uruguayan front man scored a hat-trick to give City a 3-0 win over Sydney, in the process breaking the A-League scoring record. "He's been important. Up front he's always available to play the ball into. He fights, he's the first one to roll up his sleeves... to go out and do the dirty work. And, of course, he's scoring goals. He's been great for us and the A-League," said the City boss of his South American star. Melbourne City fans turned up in numbers for Saturday's match. Photo: Getty Images Vanquished coach Graham Arnold believed that despite the scoreline, his side more than matched City until tiredness and fatigue — they had played a draining Asian Champions League match against Guangzhou Evergrande midweek — took their toll in the last 20 minutes, the period when Fornaroli scored his second and third goals. Still the Sydney boss, himself an ex-international striker, had nothing but praise for the Uruguayan striker. "He's outstanding. I don't know how Melbourne City fit him in the cap. (Arnie just alerting FFA to some possible salary cap skulduggery at City ala Glory ) You have to congratulate them, he's top shelf. He reads the game well, he's always in the right place at the right time." Arnold's contention that his makeshift team was at least the equal of City bore a ring of truth, particularly in the first half when they often looked the more organised side. He did not complain about the lack of a red card for City captain Paddy Kisnorbo close to the end of the opening half, even though it proved to be a pivotal moment. Kisnorbo hauled down Filip Holosko as he ran on to a long through ball. The foul was paid, and Kisnorbo was booked, but not sent off, as Kisnorbo's teammate, Alex Wilkinson, had managed to get behind and Kisnorbo was no longer the last man. From the subsequent free-kick City cleared their lines, the ball was played through to Fornaroli and he gave the hosts the lead. Arnold, who has complained bitterly about a lack of action against Melbourne Victory striker Kosta Barbarouses for a foul last week, made no such fuss this time even though he acknowledged it was probably a critical moment. "It probably wasn't a red card, although I know Alex Wilkinson well and he wouldn't have caught Holosko. He had the speed of him and he would have been one on one with the keeper," said the rueful Sydney boss. Van 't Schip alluded to the opening 45 minutes, suggesting that "it was a strange game". "In the first half it was more like a game of chess, it wasn't open like it normally is with our games. "But I am happy that we have a clean sheet, it's something we are working on. They didn't create that many chances." On the Kisnorbo incident, not surprisingly, he didn't think it was a red-card offence. "I think it was a yellow, Alex was still next to him or behind him." Van 't Schip was, however, delighted with his team's finishing. "We were very clinical tonight, which was good," he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 (edited) Melbourne City need to do all they can to market Bruno to the public. I havnt seen anything around Melbourne with his face on it. They better step up their game if we make finals Edited March 5, 2016 by haz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted March 5, 2016 Report Share Posted March 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, haz said: Melbourne City need to do all they can to market Bruno to the public. I havnt seen anything around Melbourne with his face on it. They better step up their game if we make finals City Voice. Put him on marquee wages then posters everywhere! Next home game everyone gets a Bruno mask and some Tuna sandwiches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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japiedog Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 Probably get shot down for this but for Bruno's goal in the first half, we we fucking awful this against a team playing its 3rd match in 7 days, with supposedly 4 starting 11 players out ? we couldn't string together 3 passes, Caceras was woeful, no surprise when he left the field If Bruno hadn't scored near the end of of the first half , I'm sure that the team would have been treated to a loud reception of Booing as they left the field Sydney had more of the match and half chances to half time Paddy should have been sent off, seriously a tackle that would have been appropriate in Union, no attempt to play the ball at all. Second half, our passing , positioning and general play better, but we always looked capable of conceding a few minutes of magical interplay between the Holy Trinity saved us need to lift the intensity for next week 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 "In the first half it was more like a game of chess, it wasn't open like it normally is with our games." Did he seriously think a depleted Sydney side would allow the game to be open against the highest scoring team in the league? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 39 minutes ago, japiedog said: Second half, our passing , positioning and general play better, but we always looked capable of conceding a few minutes of magical interplay between the Holy Trinity saved us need to lift the intensity for next week I reckon this is due to all of us being so used to conceding, I felt the same way watching. But the defence played really well and Sydney had no meaningful chances in the second half, bar a couple of stray shots here and there and the only saves I remember Sorenson having to make were crosses into the box. Kisnorbo was almost best on ground last night he was immense and couldnt have been sent off given what the rules say. He knew exactly what he was doing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, Dylan said: I reckon this is due to all of us being so used to conceding, I felt the same way watching. But the defence played really well and Sydney had no meaningful chances in the second half, bar a couple of stray shots here and there and the only saves I remember Sorenson having to make were crosses into the box. Kisnorbo was almost best on ground last night he was immense and couldnt have been sent off given what the rules say. He knew exactly what he was doing IMO Sorensen was under pressure only once - Holosko's header that grazed the outside of the post - the rest of the time he was doing what GKs are there to do - tidy up at the back, take the crosses etc. An easy shift for him. I too thought our defence was very good - people keep bagging Caceras, Malik and others, but the defenders chased, covered, hassled and harried all through the match. It's all about denying the opposition clear scoring opportunities - not about looking pretty-pretty. Don't know what people are complaining about. A 3-0 win dammit. What more do you want? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Cain Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 37 minutes ago, jw1739 said: IMO Sorensen was under pressure only once - Holosko's header that grazed the outside of the post - the rest of the time he was doing what GKs are there to do - tidy up at the back, take the crosses etc. An easy shift for him. I too thought our defence was very good - people keep bagging Caceras, Malik and others, but the defenders chased, covered, hassled and harried all through the match. It's all about denying the opposition clear scoring opportunities - not about looking pretty-pretty. Don't know what people are complaining about. A 3-0 win dammit. What more do you want? We want consistently good performances. You can't just judge a performance on the result and I'm surprised you're implying we should. Next week we could play the same way and lose 2-0, because we looked disorganised and poor for most of the game. If JVS is happy with us playing like that then that's why he has his 33% record, thankfully it seems he admitted we weren't that great after the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Le Cube Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 52 minutes ago, Herman Cain said: We want consistently good performances. You can't just judge a performance on the result and I'm surprised you're implying we should. Next week we could play the same way and lose 2-0, because we looked disorganised and poor for most of the game. If JVS is happy with us playing like that then that's why he has his 33% record, thankfully it seems he admitted we weren't that great after the game. Agreed. Great result, unconvincing performance and a weird game. We were full strength, at home, against a depleted mid-table team, with a poor attacking record who played 3 days earlier and we were outplayed in the first half. We didn't have a single attempt on goal in the first 30mins. Sydney didn't really park the bus either, they had most of the ball and territory. Nice work by JVS to play a new system in the first half that made us even more vulnerable out wide and kept Mooy away from the ball. Genius. On a side note, I was surprised to see Gooch start in front of Zullo and Clisby. I thought he was ordinary against Wellington 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 Take mooy and fornaroli out of this team and we arent even top 6 material. period 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, Luke said: Take mooy and fornaroli out of this team and we arent even top 6 material. period The same could be said of most teams losing their two best players. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 1 minute ago, malloy said: The same could be said of most teams losing their two best players. I think to a degree but you'd almost guarantee it with us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffplz Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 27 minutes ago, Luke said: I think to a degree but you'd almost guarantee it with us We'd eventually develop Dekker and another midfielder.. but no, that's guaranteed with every other team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 My take on the game: Before hand i was expecting Sydney, regardless of outs, to be very competitive. With the man i rate as the best coach in the league in charge, I thought they would be hard to break down, dangerous on the break and very physical all over the ground. On top of that whilst we had close to a full list to chose from, our form was terrible, coming off the back of a lacklustre loss to strugglers Wellington. Frankly, i thought Sydney would win. The coaching staff must have had similar concerns. To negate Sydney's physical midfield they decided to pack that space and play narrower, with a diamond midfield. Surprisingly, we sacrificed some of Aaron Mooy's attacking ability by playing him on the right side of the diamond, with Caceres at the point and Melling on the left. Malik was in the holding position, as expected. We seemed to be knowingly sacrificing some of our attacking flair (with a narrow pairing up front and Mooy playing deeper) to shore up our defence. The first half turned into an arm wrestle, both sides had their chances. Sydney netted, thanks largely to Malik coming well out of position but failing to win the ball, but fortunately they were offside and it was disallowed. On top of that Holosko missed a header on a bit of an angle but from point blank and Sorenson also needed to made a good save. At the other end Malik butchered a wonderful chance to volley home and after good lead up work, Fornaroli's touch let him down and a good chance went begging. Defensively Garruccio was finding Hoole a handful on our left and wasn't getting a lot of help from Melling. Fortunately as half time approached the masterful trio of Novillo-Mooy-Fornaroli smashed them on the counter and suddenly we had the lead. At half time we saw Melling off for Fitzgerald and Mooy changed sides, which turned out to be very important. Fitzgerald was suddenly a threat going forward, that the tiring Sydney players were having trouble handling and Mooy was easily able to negate the previously dangerous Hoole, freeing Garrucio to be another attacking threat. At the back Kisnorbo lifted a gear or 2 and suddenly Sydney, who were probably tiring, were struggling to stay in the game. All in all it was no surprise that we ran over them in the last 20 minutes as Fornaroli completed the striker's masterclass he had begun in the first half. Summary: It was hardly a spectacle (apart from a sensational hat trick to the greatest striker to ever play in the A League), but in my mind our tactics were very effective against a tough opponent. The quality of play was about what I would expect from us- that is fairly patchy, with a few moments of brilliance interspersed with a lot of mediocrity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 What round does the yellow card suspension change from 5 to 8? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 27 minutes ago, heart_fan10 said: What round does the yellow card suspension change from 5 to 8? THis one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 You guys are amazing. Such an unconvincing win where we won defensively, won the midfield battle, destroyed their defence and..... oh yeah, we won 3 0. Very unconvincing I reckon.... geez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffplz Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 17 minutes ago, playmaker said: You guys are amazing. Such an unconvincing win where we won defensively, won the midfield battle, destroyed their defence and..... oh yeah, we won 3 0. Very unconvincing I reckon.... geez. against a team with their back four and attacking threat not playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 6 hours ago, Luke said: Take mooy and fornaroli out of this team and we arent even top 6 material. period Why are there two periods at the end of your sentence? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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