kingofhearts Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Finally, we signed another player kisnorbo will never play. But in all seriousness he has a pretty good resume. A big upgrade on Galloway. https://melbournecityfc.com.au/news/melbourne-city-fc-signs-englishman-carl-jenkinson-on-loan?s=09 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 I am thinking that he's more likely to feature as a centre back/defensive midfield player, what with Rostyn now 33 and Curtis seemingly struggling with COVID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 He's barely played at all in the past two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, jw1739 said: He's barely played at all in the past two seasons. Know of any reason? Apart from Covid . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Lot of the time on the bench, also a long period out through injury. Interesting that he's on loan, meaning we have to pay him what he was getting at Forest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: He's barely played at all in the past two seasons. My City and Forest supporting mate points out they currently play a back three, so he doesn't really fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanty Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 hours ago, jw1739 said: Lot of the time on the bench, also a long period out through injury. Interesting that he's on loan, meaning we have to pay him what he was getting at Forest. There is a good chance it will be a wage split, I reckon he will play at right back tbh but then can be used as a defensive midfielder or centre back if we are really slim on numbers in those particular areas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Perfect signing, versatile so can be used in a few roles especially when fixtures get congested. It's rare that we sign a visa player now that doesn't create excitement and this is no different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Zanty said: There is a good chance it will be a wage split, I reckon he will play at right back tbh but then can be used as a defensive midfielder or centre back if we are really slim on numbers in those particular areas Perhaps APL have set different rules, but when the league was run direct by FFA there was no such thing as a wage split. Loanee wages had to be paid by the A-League club. The "Lampard Rule." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Very tidy signing - he has fallen spectacularly out of favour with the Forrest hierarchy and hasn't been injured as far as I know. However he can definitely only play Right Back, so I'm a little confused as to the signing, because Galloway certainly hasn't been the player whose been causing us to have the issues we've had this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 Loved this fella on Fifa back in the day. He had a relatively good "potential" from memory too. Shame he didn't live up to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: Perhaps APL have set different rules, but when the league was run direct by FFA there was no such thing as a wage split. Loanee wages had to be paid by the A-League club. The "Lampard Rule." I believe the wages didn't have to br paid by the loanee club, rather the entirety of the wages had to count towards the salary cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, malloy said: I believe the wages didn't have to br paid by the loanee club, rather the entirety of the wages had to count towards the salary cap. I could be wrong here, but i think that this is only the case where there is related ownership. For unrelated parties only the 'loan fee' is counted towards the cap. Hence why it was still on the cards that we retained Ross McCormack before Villa tried to force the price up, which blew the cap restraints out. Edited January 19, 2022 by bt50 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, malloy said: I believe the wages didn't have to br paid by the loanee club, rather the entirety of the wages had to count towards the salary cap. Sorry, my bad, yes that was the Lampard Rule. 4 minutes ago, bt50 said: I could be wrong here, but i think that this is only the case where there is related ownership. For unrelated parties only the 'loan fee' is counted towards the cap. Hence why it was still on the cards that we retained Ross McCormack before Villa tried to force the price up, which blew the cap restraints out. Oh, didn't know that. If so, it was more than just the "Lampard Rule," it was the "Melbourne City Rule." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, bt50 said: I could be wrong here, but i think that this is only the case where there is related ownership. For unrelated parties only the 'loan fee' is counted towards the cap. Hence why it was still on the cards that we retained Ross McCormack before Villa tried to force the price up, which blew the cap restraints out. I’m really confused about this still. So if a player is getting $100 per week in contract wages but City pays $50 per week as a loan fee to Forrest. What counts towards the salary cap? The Lampard rule stated the following. Starting from season 10, FFA will apply a principle that any amount that is paid by the A-League club that goes to the player - either directly or indirectly by way of a payment to his overseas parent club - is counted under the salary cap. Edited January 19, 2022 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 May be another area in which Aus does not align with custom and practice across the soccer world. Elsewhere split wage loan deals are very common, and our rules need to recognise this. As jw says, this rule was introduced purely to make life difficult for City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, fensaddler said: May be another area in which Aus does not align with custom and practice across the soccer world. Elsewhere split wage loan deals are very common, and our rules need to recognise this. As jw says, this rule was introduced purely to make life difficult for City. Well the rest of the world doesn't have a salary cap so it's always going to be a little different of course. 42 minutes ago, Mr MO said: I’m really confused about this still. So if a player is getting $100 per week in contract wages but City pays $50 per week as a loan fee to Forrest. What counts towards the salary cap? The Lampard rule stated the following. Starting from season 10, FFA will apply a principle that any amount that is paid by the A-League club that goes to the player - either directly or indirectly by way of a payment to his overseas parent club - is counted under the salary cap. From what I can see it’s waged and loan fee combined what counts towards the cap. @bt50is correct with Ross, that when Villa put up the loan fee up on top of the hefty pro rate wage Ross was on, it became impossible to fit this under the cap. https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/a-league/teams/melbourne-city/ffa-rule-change-scuppered-melbourne-citys-move-to-chelsea-legend-sign-frank-lampard-on-loan/news-story/02d3015f81755c648646a47e5bc34997 Edited January 19, 2022 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 33 minutes ago, Mr MO said: Well the rest of the world doesn't have a salary cap so it's always going to be a little different of course. From what I can see it’s waged and loan fee combined what counts towards the cap. @bt50is correct with Ross, that when Villa put up the loan fee up on top of the hefty pro rate wage Ross was on, it became impossible to fit this under the cap. https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/a-league/teams/melbourne-city/ffa-rule-change-scuppered-melbourne-citys-move-to-chelsea-legend-sign-frank-lampard-on-loan/news-story/02d3015f81755c648646a47e5bc34997 Well, it's not absolutely clear to me quite yet. This is what your reference actually says: IMO the third of the above paragraphs says that not necessarily all the player's salary is included in the salary cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughJass Posted January 19, 2022 Report Share Posted January 19, 2022 49 minutes ago, fensaddler said: this rule was introduced purely to make life difficult for City. Think also few clubs complained about Victory getting Rogic and Torisi on loan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 20, 2022 Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: Well, it's not absolutely clear to me quite yet. This is what your reference actually says: IMO the third of the above paragraphs says that not necessarily all the player's salary is included in the salary cap. They way I see it it’s just any payment towards the player either wages, expenses and or loan fees. With Lampard and the Victory players the clubs circumvented some payments, in agreeing paying low wage and high loan fee where the wage only counted towards the cap. Now the balance doesn’t matter and everything goes towards the salary cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 20, 2022 Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 30 minutes ago, Mr MO said: They way I see it it’s just any payment towards the player either wages, expenses and or loan fees. With Lampard and the Victory players the clubs circumvented some payments, in agreeing paying low wage and high loan fee where the wage only counted towards the cap. Now the balance doesn’t matter and everything goes towards the salary cap. It would be a lot clearer if that is what the rule actually says (said). "All monies paid directly or indirectly to the loaned player..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannon Posted January 20, 2022 Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 6 months is arse tbh, expected anything from our singings and there has been nothing, only a glance of leckie but nothing else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted January 20, 2022 Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 Arrives today, as long as he has flown across ok and hasn't developed a runny nose he should be able to play Sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 hours ago, neio said: Arrives today, as long as he has flown across ok and hasn't developed a runny nose he should be able to play Sunday Was just announced that he’s here. No quarantine for him then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughJass Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr MO said: Was just announced that he’s here. No quarantine for him then? Just need to be tested within 24 hours of arriving if negative then no need quarantine further . Assuming that was already done earlier in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 hours ago, HughJass said: Just need to be tested within 24 hours of arriving if negative then no need quarantine further . Assuming that was already done earlier in the day. He might play straight away, just seen something that Griffiths is out too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityBoyz Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr MO said: He might play straight away, just seen something that Griffiths is out too. Yep he has Covid, will be without Reis, Griffiths, Good, Jamieson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 21, 2022 Report Share Posted January 21, 2022 54 minutes ago, CityBoyz said: Yep he has Covid, will be without Reis, Griffiths, Good, Jamieson This is going to be an interesting line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zanty Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 21 hours ago, Mr MO said: This is going to be an interesting line up. I am guessing Bos, Hall, Jenkinson, Galloway? or maybe Galloway, Hall, Stokes, Jenkinson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted January 22, 2022 Report Share Posted January 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, Zanty said: I am guessing Bos, Hall, Jenkinson, Galloway? or maybe Galloway, Hall, Stokes, Jenkinson? Some suggestion O'Neill will play in central defence, but that'll also need a reshuffle in midfield. Metcalf back to the 6 role, or maybe Gomulka starts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) What do we think of Jenko having played RB on Saturday. Different player than Galloway and Atkinson. Defensively good but very little magic in the locker going forward. Playing out mostly resulted in curved long ball forward. Almost like an uncharacteristic City fullback. Edited January 31, 2022 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Nothing special. That's why he's on loan to us I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Give him a little bit of time, he has only been here a week and had to play in 2 different positions. Also worth noting that i don't think the role of our fullbacks is particularly easy to just pick up. Jamo and Atkinson both had it drilled into them over 2 seasons and could do it, it took Galloway a while to pick it up and I don't think Garuccio ever picked it up properly when he was with us. Once he has had a few solid sessions with our entire squad there, I have no doubt he will be completely fine 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, neio said: Give him a little bit of time, he has only been here a week and had to play in 2 different positions. Also worth noting that i don't think the role of our fullbacks is particularly easy to just pick up. Jamo and Atkinson both had it drilled into them over 2 seasons and could do it, it took Galloway a while to pick it up and I don't think Garuccio ever picked it up properly when he was with us. Once he has had a few solid sessions with our entire squad there, I have no doubt he will be completely fine Moreover I don't think Saturday's match was one on which to draw conclusions. They were at best a patched up team trying to do the best they could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, fensaddler said: Moreover I don't think Saturday's match was one on which to draw conclusions. They were at best a patched up team trying to do the best they could. Of course it’s early, just curious how others see it. He is however a 29 yo full time professional so shouldn’t take too long to settle in plus we don’t have the time for that. The ideal full back for our system is a Cancello or Atkinson type of player. With Galloway being similar I’m still on the fence and puzzled with this recruitment as Jenko is just a different kind of player that is clear and we don’t have months to let players settle in either. I think he will be much better defensively but less creative going forward. Edited January 31, 2022 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 50 minutes ago, Mr MO said: Of course it’s early, just curious how others see it. He is however a 29 yo full time professional so shouldn’t take too long to settle in plus we don’t have the time for that. The ideal full back for our system is a Cancello or Atkinson type of player. With Galloway being similar I’m still on the fence and puzzled with this recruitment as Jenko is just a different kind of player that is clear and we don’t have months to let players settle in either. I think he will be much better defensively but less creative going forward. Maybe the club's anticipating a long-term return for Good and Jenkinson is cover in central defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Nate said: Maybe the club's anticipating a long-term return for Good and Jenkinson is cover in central defence. Yeah good point…..or Good doesn’t have covid and is just waiting for his transfer to materialise. Edited January 31, 2022 by Mr MO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr MO said: Yeah good point…..or Good doesn’t have covid and is just waiting for his transfer to materialise. We'll find out today... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 6 hours ago, neio said: Give him a little bit of time, he has only been here a week and had to play in 2 different positions. Also worth noting that i don't think the role of our fullbacks is particularly easy to just pick up. Jamo and Atkinson both had it drilled into them over 2 seasons and could do it, it took Galloway a while to pick it up and I don't think Garuccio ever picked it up properly when he was with us. Once he has had a few solid sessions with our entire squad there, I have no doubt he will be completely fine Come on. Take the time to read up what this guy is on with Forest. He should be the stand-out player in the League right from the first touch of the ball each and every match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, jw1739 said: Come on. Take the time to read up what this guy is on with Forest. He should be the stand-out player in the League right from the first touch of the ball each and every match. No doubt he’s on a fair bit! I always wish we would spend that kind of money on an AM player! Edited January 31, 2022 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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