Shahanga Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 1.Kicking out like that in the heat of the moment- who hasn't done something stupid when they've been fired up that they regretted later? Remember he's only young. 2. The domestic thing. Doesn't sound good but the club punished him, so it's dealt with. 3. Stories told by the man himself about how many times he's been late for training. This is the really serious one in my book. A professional should never be late, it's as simple as that. How can you build a club culture when a senior player thinks training is a joke? If he leaves this will be why. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, Tony999 said: I wouldn't rip up Novillo's contract. I'd give him support and help him out. AFL players do things ten times worse and they only get a slap on wrist and many of you out there still attend AFL games. If the AFL was as stringent as the FFA, AFL wouldn't exist by now. Why stop at AFL, why not compare the ALeague to ice hockey or UFC as well? For me its one of those things that only those inside the club know the best answer. If his actions are disrupting the squad, then yeah get rid of him, but if hes a well liked guy and guilty of only showing some mongrel then I can't see why he'd be shown the door. Nobody on the forum really has the full information on what should be done with him. Edited April 13, 2016 by hedaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 46 minutes ago, Shahanga said: 1.Kicking out like that in the heat of the moment- who hasn't done something stupid when they've been fired up that they regretted later? Remember he's only young. 2. The domestic thing. Doesn't sound good but the club punished him, so it's dealt with. 3. Stories told by the man himself about how many times he's been late for training. This is the really serious one in my book. A professional should never be late, it's as simple as that. How can you build a club culture when a senior player thinks training is a joke? If he leaves this will be why. Number 3 and also the rumours that he doesnt get along with his team mates is the concerns for me. As Deviant pointed out when he scores no one really celebrates with him but when someone else scores the whole team is jumping on them etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 47 minutes ago, hedaik said: Why stop at AFL, why not compare the ALeague to ice hockey or UFC as well? For me its one of those things that only those inside the club know the best answer. If his actions are disrupting the squad, then yeah get rid of him, but if hes a well liked guy and guilty of only showing some mongrel then I can't see why he'd be shown the door. Nobody on the forum really has the full information on what should be done with him. I don't condone his behaviour but I feel some on the forum are quick to show him the door. Imagine having Berisha in the squad? The guy is tool and a cheat but I'm certain if he played for us we would protect and love him regardless. Novillo isn't as bad as people make him out to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 None of us are 100% perfect in the jobs we doing and I guess our relationships are far from ideal too. Lets not bury him too quick as I'm sure there is more to him than we know. I liked his involvement in the handbag fight at half time. He got involved, good to see 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 1 hour ago, malloy said: Number 3 and also the rumours that he doesnt get along with his team mates is the concerns for me. As Deviant pointed out when he scores no one really celebrates with him but when someone else scores the whole team is jumping on them etc. Is that true though? To me, he seems to celebrate others' goals and gets involved as much as anyone. I recall him going nuts a few weeks back when Fitzgerald scored against Brisbane down here. Mooy on the other hand doesn't show too much emotion when someone scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 I just want him to turn up and do his job. In any other work place if you went to kick someone you would be stood down immediately plus I am sure there would be other legal ramifications. Seeing him play in all home games there is a consistent behavioural pattern on laying the blame on everyone else and having a go at other players. All negative interactions rather than positive encouragement especially for the younger players. His antics with Bruno after Bruno had a go at him for not pushing forward for the cross on multiple occasions resulting in Bruno being left dry trying hold the ball on the wing, was just a 'I don't give a shit' situation. And blasting Marino when he came on for losing the ball is exactly the type of attitude we need at the club right? If we get through this week and he gets his suspension reduced I don't recon he should play, UNLESS all the players want him there because I don't want the whole team suffering on the field because of his issues. And JVS can't manage this type of player so if Harry stays JVS needs to go, but also if we are getting some marquees with big personalities and egos then he won't manage these guys well either, so he needs to go anyway. Harry just do your job mate, its not hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 11 hours ago, SF33 said: Yes, I was. I thought he looked to be by far our most likely to create a goal. I thought the same thing actually. But i think that says more about how shit we were rather than anything positive about Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 I think the major problem with an off fire Novillo is that in our current set up, if he's not having a good game then Fornaroli is having to fetch a lot of his own ball on the wing and in deeper areas, which is fine, providing there's another option, but without Novillo (or maybe a Marino, or someone else) up the ground to support El Tuna, then the whole thing starts to look very, very ordinary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 Fuck him off. Next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) 31 minutes ago, playmaker said: In any other work place if you went to kick someone you would be stood down immediately plus I am sure there would be other legal ramifications. What about if you're a kickboxing instructor? What is it with these stupid comparisons, if you also ran around your workplace kicking a soccerball around you'd probably be fired too. Edited April 13, 2016 by hedaik 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted April 13, 2016 Report Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, hedaik said: What about if you're a kickboxing instructor? What is it with these stupid comparisons, if you also ran around your workplace kicking a soccerball around you'd probably be fired too. No worries next time someone at work pisses me off I will just kick them in the shin. I will let u know how I go. Edited April 13, 2016 by playmaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 5 minutes ago, playmaker said: No worries next time someone at work pisses me off I will just kick them in the shin. I will let u know how I go. If your only access to a computer is at work, then please do. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, hedaik said: , if you also ran around your workplace kicking a soccerball around you'd probably be fired too. Actually I wasn't Edited April 14, 2016 by Shahanga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffplz Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, malloy said: Number 3 and also the rumours that he doesnt get along with his team mates is the concerns for me. As Deviant pointed out when he scores no one really celebrates with him but when someone else scores the whole team is jumping on them etc. No one celebrates with him? Are you cooked bro? He does that dance thing so everyone gives him space for that, then they jump on him, Franjic even has his own celebration with him doing the basketball thing. Plus, in the 360 city walk thing in Adelaide Novillo was chatting with the boys on the sidewalk and making everyone laugh. I've seen no proof of any dislike of him. Edited April 14, 2016 by jeffplz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Novillo bleeds white sky blue and red and that other shade of blue used Quite frankly I'd want him in my team. Good mongrel cunt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 He is what he is. Our x factor. Can be the best player on the team when he wants to. If only we had a half competent coach to keep him in line... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 12 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: He is what he is. Our x factor. Can be the best player on the team when he wants to. If only we had a half competent coach to keep him in line... I like to blame JVS for stuff as much as the next guy, but it would seem he's not the first coach who's been unable to keep Harry in line and get the best out of him. I think Harry's problems lie with Harry rather than everyone else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 28 minutes ago, Embee said: I like to blame JVS for stuff as much as the next guy, but it would seem he's not the first coach who's been unable to keep Harry in line and get the best out of him. I think Harry's problems lie with Harry rather than everyone else. Fair enough however I don't think JVS has proven to be a great people person in the past. I remembered when he had a falling out with collosimo back in the heart days, it just seems he doesn't build a great relationships with his players compared to someone like ange for example. It would be interesting to see how novillo would act if an older, wiser coach coached us. It might not fix novillo but would it be a lot better then what jvs is showing right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 3 hours ago, hedaik said: If your only access to a computer is at work, then please do. THIS IS A QUALITY POST 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: Fair enough however I don't think JVS has proven to be a great people person in the past. I remembered when he had a falling out with collosimo back in the heart days, it just seems he doesn't build a great relationships with his players compared to someone like ange for example. It would be interesting to see how novillo would act if an older, wiser coach coached us. It might not fix novillo but would it be a lot better then what jvs is showing right now! No he's definitely not, it's probably one of his biggest faults, Harry does seem to have a lengthy track record on his side too though. I won't disagree there at all, but I think the decision to move Harry on will be made by the powers that be higher up regardless of what JVS or any potential new coach thinks about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC22 Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 I for one love Harry I say we keep him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF33 Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 6 hours ago, jeffplz said: No one celebrates with him? Are you cooked bro? He does that dance thing so everyone gives him space for that, then they jump on him, Franjic even has his own celebration with him doing the basketball thing. Plus, in the 360 city walk thing in Adelaide Novillo was chatting with the boys on the sidewalk and making everyone laugh. I've seen no proof of any dislike of him. Yeah, I must admit I was baffled by that comment...thought I must have had some rose tinted shades on, with regards to Novillo. But check out the highlights videos of the last three games where he's scored for us. http://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/matchcentre/Melbourne-City-FC-v-Wellington-Phoenix/811733 http://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/matchcentre/Western-Sydney-Wanderers-FC-v-Melbourne-City-FC/811689 http://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/matchcentre/Melbourne-City-FC-v-Wellington-Phoenix/811687 Now, one of those goals brought the deficit back to 1-3 in the final 15 minutes against the Wanderers, so it's not especially surprising that no-one was really doing cartwheels after he found the back of the net. But the other evidence, both before and after his club-imposed suspension suggests that some people are either pretty seriously mistaken, or they're simply making shit up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Novillo edit. NOTE: Looks clearer when you click on the image/open in a new tab. Edited April 15, 2016 by hakz7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Suspension upheld. Will miss semi-final. Although in this case IMO it's probably the best outcome in that if he had played I think Adelaide would have targeted him, I don't think it's good for his longer-term prospects at the club. Which is a very great pity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 I think it's a disgrace! Not defending Novillo but more so the double standards. We are not Victory FC or Lowy FC so this decision doesn't suprise me one bit. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted April 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 I probably should put this in UOTUH but I can see why there's a difference between the Berisha ruling and Novillo and think it's understandable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 7 hours ago, n i k o said: I probably should put this in UOTUH but I can see why there's a difference between the Berisha ruling and Novillo and think it's understandable. You can? Please explain... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted April 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 3 hours ago, NewConvert said: You can? Please explain... If you look at both incidents as being identical, Berisha received punishment for his actions on the pitch and was sent off. Harry wasn't punished for his kick out and was allowed to continue playing. So it could be argued that, besides the 30 minutes Berisha played at the beginning of the game, both players missed two games. Regarding the intent of the kick outs it's possible to see Berishas as being provoked by Durante whereas Harry was attempting to provoke Mauk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Is harry's career at Melbourne city fc finished now due to this suspension? Edited April 20, 2016 by kingofhearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 1 hour ago, n i k o said: If you look at both incidents as being identical, Berisha received punishment for his actions on the pitch and was sent off. Harry wasn't punished for his kick out and was allowed to continue playing. So it could be argued that, besides the 30 minutes Berisha played at the beginning of the game, both players missed two games. Regarding the intent of the kick outs it's possible to see Berishas as being provoked by Durante whereas Harry was attempting to provoke Mauk. Provocation isn't and shouldn't be a defence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 1 minute ago, kingofhearts said: Is harry's career at Melbourne city fc finished now due to this suspension? Without knowing shit. I think his future at City is dependent on who will coach next season. If JVS remains it's more likely than not. A new boss will probably try someone different. FWIW I think he should stay. A player of his quality and age under the cap is very hard to find. He's never going to consistent but look at his overall record for us. The best wide/forward we've had and potentially will improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted April 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 1 minute ago, thisphantomfortress said: Provocation isn't and shouldn't be a defence Not a problem, if that's the way they see it. Then it comes down to my first sentence, Berisha was sent off for his acts, Harry wasn't and this is the reason for the extra match ban. For what its worth I would have loved nothing more for hat scumbag to get an extra week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 23 minutes ago, Jovan said: Without knowing shit. I think his future at City is dependent on who will coach next season. If JVS remains it's more likely than not. A new boss will probably try someone different. FWIW I think he should stay. A player of his quality and age under the cap is very hard to find. He's never going to consistent but look at his overall record for us. The best wide/forward we've had and potentially will improve. I'm not his greatest fan, but no question in my mind that he should stay. Surely City and CFG have enough resources to give it another season to get the guy right in the head on and off the pitch? Give him the support he obviously needs and make it very clear the rules he has to conform to, and give him another chance. It's not as if we haven't persevered with players before... Who amongst us has not made mistakes in our lives? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 18 minutes ago, jw1739 said: I'm not his greatest fan, but no question in my mind that he should stay. Surely City and CFG have enough resources to give it another season to get the guy right in the head on and off the pitch? Give him the support he obviously needs and make it very clear the rules he has to conform to, and give him another chance. It's not as if we haven't persevered with players before... Who amongst us has not made mistakes in our lives? Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 16 minutes ago, jw1739 said: I'm not his greatest fan, but no question in my mind that he should stay. Surely City and CFG have enough resources to give it another season to get the guy right in the head on and off the pitch? Give him the support he obviously needs and make it very clear the rules he has to conform to, and give him another chance. It's not as if we haven't persevered with players before... Who amongst us has not made mistakes in our lives? To me, I would prefer that he sort his shit out and continue to play but under no circumstances should he be promoted to a bigger pay packet in the immediate future. What is troubling is that Novillo was also at big clubs that could have helped him along. He was even in the French youth team so this is not a first mistake or errant issue - and as the club has noted some of his misdemeanours have been things like being late for training. With the new gaffer, he may have a saviour but at some point he is going to harm the teams chances and someone will have to call time on his career in Melbourne City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepdog Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 40 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Who amongst us has not made mistakes in our lives? My 2 mistakes are named Buckley and James. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriente Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 41 minutes ago, sheepdog said: My 2 mistakes are named Buckley and James. Collingwood and Essendon made the same mistake. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 At least the club engaged a QC and gave it a good crack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Only condition that he stays on is if he smokes a joint before the game and at half time, (for medicinal purposes of course) and he'll be right. Will be the best player in the league next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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