Jovan Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 It's interesting to see how the match-day squad has changed. When we lined up for the first match of the season it was as follows: Redmayne; Archibald, Kisnorbo, Wielaert, Ramsay; Paartalu; Murdocca, Mooy; Duff, Dugandzic, Brown. Bench: Velaphi, Melling, Marino, Retre, Villa. During the match van 't Schip took off Brown and Dugandzic, and put on Marino and Villa. And here's where we were against Western Sydney Wanderers in our last match. Velaphi; Retre, Kisnorbo, Jaliens, Clisby; Paartalu; Germano, Mooy; Koren Kennedy, Novillo. Bench: Redmayne, Ramsay, Dugandzic, Murdocca, Williams. Off: Retre, Clisby and Novillo; On : Williams, Dugandzic, Ramsay. For various reasons we have seen very significant changes to the starting line-up over the season. Taking that into account I can see the argument that van 't Schip should be given further time. Wow here we go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 Other factors you have to put into play for Friday nights draw: -It was cold -Had been raining -The players had to travel a long way and were jet lagged For a coach to get a draw against a team which has won 3 games all this season plus add in those factors, we are just demanding too much as supporters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 (edited) Holy crap. Three (and a bit) seasons and people are still coming up with excuses for him. I wish it were like that in the real world. "well I know I have only made 40% of my sales targets, but my staff just dont seem all that motivated. And look on the bright side, we are doing better than last year when I mentored the bloke that nearly bankrupted the company!" Edited April 5, 2015 by KSK_47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 It's interesting to see how the match-day squad has changed. When we lined up for the first match of the season it was as follows: Redmayne; Archibald, Kisnorbo, Wielaert, Ramsay; Paartalu; Murdocca, Mooy; Duff, Dugandzic, Brown. Bench: Velaphi, Melling, Marino, Retre, Villa. During the match van 't Schip took off Brown and Dugandzic, and put on Marino and Villa. And here's where we were against Western Sydney Wanderers in our last match. Velaphi; Retre, Kisnorbo, Jaliens, Clisby; Paartalu; Germano, Mooy; Koren Kennedy, Novillo. Bench: Redmayne, Ramsay, Dugandzic, Murdocca, Williams. Off: Retre, Clisby and Novillo; On : Williams, Dugandzic, Ramsay. For various reasons we have seen very significant changes to the starting line-up over the season. Taking that into account I can see the argument that van 't Schip should be given further time. What if you look at it from a different perspective. With an improved line up that exceeds any that's been at the club before, shouldnt that mean the style of our football will be the best it's ever been? Why then are we needing to play a less possession based, or uglier, brand of football? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 I think some people may have misunderstood my post above. I wasn't making any excuse for van 't Schip, or saying that I support his retention. I've consistently said that I do not think he can take us forward. I'm simply saying that in the discussion I can see why others might have a different view to mine. It's called a mature debate, in which one is prepared to see another's point of view without agreeing with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 I think some people may have misunderstood my post above. I wasn't making any excuse for van 't Schip, or saying that I support his retention. I've consistently said that I do not think he can take us forward. I'm simply saying that in the discussion I can see why others might have a different view to mine. It's called a mature debate, in which one is prepared to see another's point of view without agreeing with it. I'm not being pretty when I say this, but I honestly cannot understand the logic behind any argument for him retaining his position. I have yet to hear any reasoning that makes sense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 I think some people may have misunderstood my post above. I wasn't making any excuse for van 't Schip, or saying that I support his retention. I've consistently said that I do not think he can take us forward. I'm simply saying that in the discussion I can see why others might have a different view to mine. It's called a mature debate, in which one is prepared to see another's point of view without agreeing with it. I'm not being pretty when I say this, but I honestly cannot understand the logic behind any argument for him retaining his position. I have yet to hear any reasoning that makes sense What if we got to the Grand Final? (yes, I think that it's unlikely too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 I think some people may have misunderstood my post above. I wasn't making any excuse for van 't Schip, or saying that I support his retention. I've consistently said that I do not think he can take us forward. I'm simply saying that in the discussion I can see why others might have a different view to mine. It's called a mature debate, in which one is prepared to see another's point of view without agreeing with it. I'm not being pretty when I say this, but I honestly cannot understand the logic behind any argument for him retaining his position. I have yet to hear any reasoning that makes sense What if we got to the Grand Final? (yes, I think that it's unlikely too) How about we discuss that "if" it happens? In the meantime, I will continue to base my opinion on what has actually happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 If jvs gets us into a grand final, I'll have a sex change. Book it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 I was asking because I think that the 2 ways of looking at the question are " has JVS made the most of his opportunity this season?" or "how far can JVS take the team?" I prefer the second question as I think that it'll lead to greater long term success and coaching legacy. If I were convinced that he had what it takes to take us to local and asian success within 3 seasons then I wouldn't pay too much attention to how we go this year. If he were a GVE who took Newcastle to a Championship but was unable to build on that success to develop a long term legacy for the team then I'd be keen to move him on. I don't believe that JVS can develop that long-term mentality and depth for success and that's why I would replace him irrespective of how we finish this season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 If jvs gets us into a grand final, I'll have a sex change. Book it. <sound of knife sharpening> 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 If jvs gets us into a grand final, I'll have a sex change. Book it. <sound of knife sharpening> You know JVS has to go if Kingofhearts wants him gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 I can't see us moving forward under him. Numerous squad changes recruits who've flopped (his doing or not) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 I think some people may have misunderstood my post above. I wasn't making any excuse for van 't Schip, or saying that I support his retention. I've consistently said that I do not think he can take us forward. I'm simply saying that in the discussion I can see why others might have a different view to mine. It's called a mature debate, in which one is prepared to see another's point of view without agreeing with it. I understood your post completely, and a changing squad is not ideal in certain circumstances, I agree. But the point of my post is that while squad changed have affected the results they have been affected for the better and not for the worse. If anything JVS has been extremely fortunate with all the injuries to be able to bring in better injury replacements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 I think some people may have misunderstood my post above. I wasn't making any excuse for van 't Schip, or saying that I support his retention. I've consistently said that I do not think he can take us forward. I'm simply saying that in the discussion I can see why others might have a different view to mine. It's called a mature debate, in which one is prepared to see another's point of view without agreeing with it. I understood your post completely, and a changing squad is not ideal in certain circumstances, I agree. But the point of my post is that while squad changed have affected the results they have been affected for the better and not for the worse. If anything JVS has been extremely fortunate with all the injuries to be able to bring in better injury replacements. I agree with that, I just hope that CFG's review is comprehensive and also includes recruiting decisions. I must say though that we worst performing new player we have signed this season is Koren and even though I'd like to see more from him I don't think that he has been a bad signing. My concern is with the re-signing of Williams, Redmayne and Hoffman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 Well Redmayne is still an Aloisi signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 Well there was an argument whether it was the cattle or the coach or both. Right now the argument that the cattle was not good enough has legs as the new signings have significantly improved the team. Bela's argument as to whether JVS can take the team further is valid and I am with Bela on this, I no longer believe that he can take the team further. As for the re-signing of Hoffman and Williams, I will say it again, Hoffman was the most consistent player last season and I would have not signed him but I can understand why he was given a new contract. Once Aloisi was gone and Engelaar returned, Williams turned it on and for a while became a contender for the golden boot. It would be odd that a golden boot contender not be given a new contract, specially when he is supposed to have a reduced contract. I seriously thought that Williams would continue his form this season but perhaps more than most he was the beneficiary of Engelaar's play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 Right now the argument that the cattle was not good enough has legs It doesnt. It really doesnt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 The cattle were chosen by the farmer. The farmers a cunt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 He just needs time. We'll probably be able to scrape 5th place in 5 years. Have patience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 Even if we won the league some of you blokes would be coming up with insults like "his grin wasn't wide enough", "he didn't do a victory dance", and "he didn't hold the trophy high enough". Are you JVS in disguise? JVS wouldn't read this forum because JVS 2 strong for this forum Wonder what the squad thinks when he arrives on a Monday morning with a new stack of wanky quotes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 We're ganna win the league with this guy! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) In a salary capped League the big advantages over other teams that will lead to superior playing performances on the pitch can be easiest obtained in the areas that are not salary capped. That is for example, in coaching, player development, medical and fitness staff, facilities etc. Longer down the track it will be via identifying young talent and developing our own young players who are much better than at other clubs because of a fully professional elite development pathway. It follows from this that we need the best quality coaching staff we can get who are prepared to coach a club that has all the player payment and squad restrictions currently imposed on them by FFA. So are JVS and his support coaches the best we can get who are prepared to coach a club that has all the player payments and squad restrictions currently imposed on them by FFA? Edited April 6, 2015 by Parrot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) There's a pretty reasonable analysis of the City team performance this season on Leopold Method, well worth a read. The only extra thing I'd like to see is a comparison of Redmayne and Velaphi defences as I'm sure that this is an area of major improvement. It does correctly identify how poorly we perform in the front third but doesn't really identify coaching contributions to this. Edited April 6, 2015 by belaguttman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 We are going to finish 5th. JVS has steered us to our most successful season ever :clap: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 There's a pretty reasonable analysis of the City team performance this season on Leopold Method, well worth a read. The only extra thing I'd like to see is a comparison of Redmayne and Velaphi defences as I'm sure that this is an area of major improvement. It does correctly identify how poorly we perform in the front third but doesn't really identify coaching contributions to this. Bela, that article is a long-winded way of saying what you and I could have put in 2-3 sentences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 There's a pretty reasonable analysis of the City team performance this season on Leopold Method, well worth a read. The only extra thing I'd like to see is a comparison of Redmayne and Velaphi defences as I'm sure that this is an area of major improvement. It does correctly identify how poorly we perform in the front third but doesn't really identify coaching contributions to this. Bela, that article is a long-winded way of saying what you and I could have put in 2-3 sentences. Some of those graphs really show how terrible we are at the end of each half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 There's a pretty reasonable analysis of the City team performance this season on Leopold Method, well worth a read. The only extra thing I'd like to see is a comparison of Redmayne and Velaphi defences as I'm sure that this is an area of major improvement. It does correctly identify how poorly we perform in the front third but doesn't really identify coaching contributions to this. Dear Mr Leopold Method, I don't want to have another year of consistent inconsistency and lapses of mediocrity under JVS Can you please do another write-up where you call for his exit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 There's a pretty reasonable analysis of the City team performance this season on Leopold Method, well worth a read. The only extra thing I'd like to see is a comparison of Redmayne and Velaphi defences as I'm sure that this is an area of major improvement. It does correctly identify how poorly we perform in the front third but doesn't really identify coaching contributions to this. Bela, that article is a long-winded way of saying what you and I could have put in 2-3 sentences. It does provide good stats to back up what we are saying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinnibari Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 There's a pretty reasonable analysis of the City team performance this season on Leopold Method, well worth a read. The only extra thing I'd like to see is a comparison of Redmayne and Velaphi defences as I'm sure that this is an area of major improvement. It does correctly identify how poorly we perform in the front third but doesn't really identify coaching contributions to this. I think we have to be careful not to get too carried away by Tando - he is an improvement, but so is our defense generally, which contributes to our overall better performance. Tando's still learning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 I'm not carried away with tando but it's a good point of reference to compare the 2 defences from the first half of the season to that of now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 The defence has definately been strengthened 2nd part of the season , do we build for the future with our young players or draft in older pro,s. At the expence of the younger players ( ie The Perth Glory model ) they are only a couple of wins in front of us and are under scrutiny for there salary cap violations, yet they are branded as having a successful season, when you consider injuries , late additions to the squad take a step back, there has been cosiderable improvement this year so onwards and upwards get behind the club, if JVS goes he has left club in a better position, remember its a Rebuilding Process ( look at Wellington last year to now ) I REST MY CASE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 if JVS goes he has left club in a better position, remember its a Rebuilding Process ( look at Wellington last year to now ) I REST MY CASE Lol. We are slightly better than the team that equaled the record for the longest non-winning run in league history. You rest your case! Well, thats that then! I cant be be bothered going over the same stuff again and again. If you seriously think he has done enough to keep his job then I will respectfully disagree and get on with my day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 There's no such thing as a 'rebuilding phase' in the A-League. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Sign this guy up! He has brought us to 5th spot. The clubs highest ever achievement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Sign this guy up! He has brought us to 5th spot. The clubs highest ever achievement. He and the Glory CEO got us to 5th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) Sign this guy up! He has brought us to 5th spot. The clubs highest ever achievement.He and the Glory CEO got us to 5th Sign the glory ceo up too!has proven methods of success Edited April 10, 2015 by kingofhearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Sign this guy up! He has brought us to 5th spot. The clubs highest ever achievement. He and the Glory CEO got us to 5th 6th in A league is equivalent of 12th position in EPL. Looks like Everton is breaking out champagne. They must be so proud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 Get fucked. Everton consistently finish 5-7. This season excluded... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 12th is actually quite respectable for the EPL...La Liga & Bundesliga not so much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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