jw1739 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 IMO what is even worse than JA feeling that he was unlucky and hard done by is that Michael Lynch has the very poor judgement to write an article about it and Lynch's editor publishes it. It's not going to do JA any good going forward. I hold no animosity towards John. As it turned out he wasn't ready for the job he took on, but probably the results he achieved were far worse than anyone imagined they could be. Someone's always bottom of the league, but I don't think any one of us imagined that we would be so far adrift at the bottom of the table as we were (and still are). For his own sake I hope John can get back into football if that's what he wants. But I don't think it would be the right thing for him to have any involvement at all with Heart in the future. Case closed as far as I am concerned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southerner Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Fuck off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Hey, it's his birthday today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I am annoyed that I never got him to sign my November 16th, 2005 replica Socceroos shirt before he was sacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I'm over this. My final piece on JA. First he was a fine player and although he did not reach the heights of some of his contemporaries he had a good CV. His elevation to the coaching ranks proved to be his downfall. And no I don't think he can coach. The article by Lucy Zelic is crap: his reign was not 12 weeks it was one season plus one pre-season plus 12 weeks. This team was his team. Yes the team suffered injuries but so has every other club. The fact that the defence did not work nor did the attack implied that the mid-field was not working either. Least amount of goals scored and largest tally against. His formation did not change but the style of play did - kick the ball long to the smallest player in the team. Once it is unfortunate but multiple times is unforgivable. And therein lies the reason why JA cannot coach - he has no imagination to change the play during the game. To the credit of the A-League we are now getting to the stage that fans are expecting every coach to be able to change the game plan during the match. This means that they need to analyse the game and develop alternatives as the match is underway. This is entirely the purview of the coach and his assistants. JA was simply unable to do this. One of the attractions of football for me is that it is a game of chess with real people and a ball. JA cannot play chess. Finally, JA took himself to Italy after last season to learn more about coaching (I think it was Juve) so the question what did he learn there? Another learning tour JA? How about you watch what JvS has done with the team and play some chess? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs 2 Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I just seen Johnny at Mitre 10 buying a length of rope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Murfy1 Posted February 20, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Gerhardt's Aloisi slam 1 hour ago Ben Somerford Melbourne Heart’s Patrick Gerhardt has slammed ex-coach John Aloisi’s man-management style and says the club’s form upturn is because they're "having fun again" under interim boss John van 't Schip. Heart have stormed into finals contention by winning four of their past five matches, following a miserable winless start to the campaign which culminated in Aloisi’s axing at the end of December. The club’s recent upturn is even more staggering given they had previously equalled the A-League record of 19 games without a win. Gerhardt, who played a key role quelling Carlos Hernandez’s influence in Sunday’s stunning 5-0 win at Wellington, blamed Aloisi’s inability to manage and motivate the whole squad for their winless start to the season. “When you see John (van ‘t Schip) make more changes than Aloisi did in his whole one-and-a-half years coaching Melbourne Heart, it’s a problem,” the 28-year-old Liberia international said. “When you have players who may not have performed well but didn’t need to worry because they knew they’d play next week, it’s a problem. “I think the mentality has changed. John believes in every single player in the squad, not just the starting XI like it was at the start of the season. “Look at young Ben Garuccio, who last weekend (in the 2-1 win over Perth Glory) laid off the pass for Williams’ winner.” Gerhardt also said the Dutch coach had brought back the fun at AAMI Park. “After we started to lose, we weren’t thinking about playoffs, we just wanted to have fun again,” he said. “The spirit was down, we couldn’t get out of this hole but now everyone comes to training every day and has fun. "When you’re happy you play well on the weekend. That’s what we’ve been the past few weeks and the results have been good.” The former Young Boys defender said van ‘t Schip was the man to take Heart forward and implored the club to secure him permanently. “In the short time he’s been here, he’s done a lot,” Gerhardt. “He’s the right man for Melbourne Heart.” Gerhardt also used the example of David Williams, who forced his way back into the Heart starting line-up after scoring winners as a substitute two weeks in a row, before a hat-trick in the win over Wellington, to commend the Dutchman’s impact. “With his pace and shot, he’s a weapon,” he said. “Now he’s shining, he’s got his confidence back. Under van ‘t Schip he’s growing again. “He twice came off the bench to good effect and anybody who goes in wants to do their best because if they do well, they now know they’ll start the next game. “That wasn’t the situation at the start of the season.” http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/gerhardts-aloisi-slam Edited February 20, 2014 by Murfy1 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Fucking well said son, about time! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 And thats why I put him down as one of my top 3 foreign players in the survey! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 The most telling part about this is that gerhardt isn't a locked in starting player under JVS so he didnt say this because JVS is doing him any favours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 This will make the media happy, maybe now they'll stop asking "why the sudden change in form". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aardvark Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Thank god you put the link in there otherwise I would've thought it was a pisstake written by someone on here. He says everything that actually needs to be said about how Aloisi was shit (except for the tactics thing). Finally some honesty in the media )and not the usual "our luck will turn" crap) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresonlyonebzamora Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I guess paddy isn't gonna receive a Christmas card from JA this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandev Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 He's broken the player code of ethics. I guess he doesn't care if he's picked up by another A league coach/team. A sign that he's happy to leave Aust or just has balls?! Could be more ready to speak out just like him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Probably will hear more about it at the end of the season. But I have to say that headline is rather overblown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cunado Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I love Paddy. Hopefully he can stick around in some capacity next year, even if its only as a bouncer at the Imperial. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 The players have definitely felt that way for a long time I'll harp back to my fortunate meeting the team at the airport after the Sydney match ( away) ,(the day Harry missed that penalty) when I chatted to some of the players about the difference in play between the first half ( probably the worst 45mins I can recall in our history) and the second half, where we played some half decent football, ( shit even Misfud scored that day) You could see that the players were itching to express their true feelings, but held back from critising JA and the tactics PG wasn't one who was forward in this( quiet in the background) but others were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexxandro Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Well he probably was sick of all the apologists for JA and it came out like this. I'm glad to see someone speak out even if it's not the most wise thing to do as a professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForestHeart Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 And thats why I put him down as one of my top 3 foreign players in the survey! In that survey did they have to play with Heart ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) And thats why I put him down as one of my top 3 foreign players in the survey! In that survey did they have to play with Heart ? No, not according to the wording of the question. If the survey wanted "your three favourite visa players who play or have played for Heart" then it should have asked that question. As it was, you were asked for "your three favourite international players." Which is hopelessly ambiguous. I doubt that anything can be made of the answers. On Gerhardt's comments - I doubt that he will be worried about the possibility of any backlash. When he joined Heart he said he was on some sort of "football adventure" so he may have already decided to move on. And if he wants to stay the worst he has done is be indiscreet. He hasn't brought the club into disrepute or anything like that. Edited February 20, 2014 by jw1739 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Thank god almighty someone has finally come out and said what needed to be said. My day has already improved more than it had before. Can't wait to pat him on the back and tell him well done for this on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perthheart Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Good Paddy. About time someone came out and spoke the truth. I'm sure we will hear more about it next season once players have been released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted February 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Paddy go hard my man! Let's hope that this is the beginning of more players coming out and expressing there true views about JA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Fred just posted the article on his timeline and posted "Well say!!!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 The floodgates might open with players coming out and saying how shit JA was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I notice Patty G's comments haven't made it onto "the world game" or Foxsports. That does show a good deal football nepotism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombegongal Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I notice Patty G's comments haven't made it onto "the world game" or Foxsports. That does show a good deal football nepotism. As much as I agree with you and Patty G and believe SBS to be a 'boys' club. I also don't see the point in flinging shit at Aloisi. Does he deserve it? Sure. I just feel we can be the bigger person so to speak and leave it at his gone and we are carrying on with mending the damaged culture and brand of the football. We are now playing good football and I couldn't care less what Fred, Aloisi or Les Murray think about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) I notice Patty G's comments haven't made it onto "the world game" or Foxsports. That does show a good deal football nepotism. As much as I agree with you and Patty G and believe SBS to be a 'boys' club. I also don't see the point in flinging shit at Aloisi. Does he deserve it? Sure. I just feel we can be the bigger person so to speak and leave it at his gone and we are carrying on with mending the damaged culture and brand of the football. We are now playing good football and I couldn't care less what Fred, Aloisi or Les Murray think about that. I am not flinging shit at JA. I don't blame him for his appointment, I am disappointed in him for the way he went about his job but that is not the issue. I hope he learns and comes back a better coach. What I am concerned about is the lack of appreciation from the footballing media and to a lesser extent the footballing public for the lesson that needs to be learned about putting a manager in charge of a team who is totally unprepared for the job. It seems like Sydney FC might be about to make exactly the same mistake with ADP. Edited February 21, 2014 by Rellum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I notice Patty G's comments haven't made it onto "the world game" or Foxsports. That does show a good deal football nepotism. As much as I agree with you and Patty G and believe SBS to be a 'boys' club. I also don't see the point in flinging shit at Aloisi. Does he deserve it? Sure. I just feel we can be the bigger person so to speak and leave it at his gone and we are carrying on with mending the damaged culture and brand of the football. We are now playing good football and I couldn't care less what Fred, Aloisi or Les Murray think about that. I am not flinging shit at JA. I don't blame him for his appointment, I am disappointed in him for the way he went about his job but that is not the issue. I hope he learns and comes back a better coach. What I am concerned about is the lack of appreciation from the footballing media and to a lesser extent the footballing public for the lesson that needs to be learned about putting a manager in charge of a team who is totally unprepared for the job. It seems like Sydney FC might be about to make exactly the same mistake with ADP. and I for one have my fingers crossed that this is exactly what happens! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjake1234 Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 91 pages on JA?? The most on any topic?? I am so over it. We all know what effect he had on the players and the club & I am sure history will confirm this. Let's not worry about the limited view the "experts" have and move on. We seem to be in safe hands now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 Fred just posted the article on his timeline and posted "Well say!!!" Once again he's just being a bitter flog and sinking the boot in. fucking loved that article of Gerhardt - me and another heart fan had a quick chat to him about exactly this after one of our more demoralising losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombegongal Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 I notice Patty G's comments haven't made it onto "the world game" or Foxsports. That does show a good deal football nepotism. As much as I agree with you and Patty G and believe SBS to be a 'boys' club. I also don't see the point in flinging shit at Aloisi. Does he deserve it? Sure. I just feel we can be the bigger person so to speak and leave it at his gone and we are carrying on with mending the damaged culture and brand of the football. We are now playing good football and I couldn't care less what Fred, Aloisi or Les Murray think about that. I am not flinging shit at JA. I don't blame him for his appointment, I am disappointed in him for the way he went about his job but that is not the issue. I hope he learns and comes back a better coach. What I am concerned about is the lack of appreciation from the footballing media and to a lesser extent the footballing public for the lesson that needs to be learned about putting a manager in charge of a team who is totally unprepared for the job. It seems like Sydney FC might be about to make exactly the same mistake with ADP. Sorry Rellum I wasn't so much accusing you of flinging shit, more so the players. I don't get why people want them to say bad, negative quite frankly true things about JA as it achieves nothing. Like I said it's all about recognising the mistake at a board level (no longer a problem) and moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeCee Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) I notice Patty G's comments haven't made it onto "the world game" or Foxsports. That does show a good deal football nepotism. As much as I agree with you and Patty G and believe SBS to be a 'boys' club. I also don't see the point in flinging shit at Aloisi. Does he deserve it? Sure. I just feel we can be the bigger person so to speak and leave it at his gone and we are carrying on with mending the damaged culture and brand of the football. We are now playing good football and I couldn't care less what Fred, Aloisi or Les Murray think about that. I am not flinging shit at JA. I don't blame him for his appointment, I am disappointed in him for the way he went about his job but that is not the issue. I hope he learns and comes back a better coach. What I am concerned about is the lack of appreciation from the footballing media and to a lesser extent the footballing public for the lesson that needs to be learned about putting a manager in charge of a team who is totally unprepared for the job. It seems like Sydney FC might be about to make exactly the same mistake with ADP. Sorry Rellum I wasn't so much accusing you of flinging shit, more so the players. I don't get why people want them to say bad, negative quite frankly true things about JA as it achieves nothing. Like I said it's all about recognising the mistake at a board level (no longer a problem) and moving forward. This might not be how others feel, but when reading article after article about how 'unlucky' Aloisi was, and how he was supposedly hard done by, it comes across to me as if the club is being portrayed as being in the wrong, and is the metaphorical 'bad guy'. We all know he was shit, and I'm not expecting any of his media mates to come out and say he was a terrible manager, but it's refreshing to actually be correctly represented in the media for once. Edited February 22, 2014 by AyeCee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 I notice Patty G's comments haven't made it onto "the world game" or Foxsports. That does show a good deal football nepotism. As much as I agree with you and Patty G and believe SBS to be a 'boys' club. I also don't see the point in flinging shit at Aloisi. Does he deserve it? Sure. I just feel we can be the bigger person so to speak and leave it at his gone and we are carrying on with mending the damaged culture and brand of the football. We are now playing good football and I couldn't care less what Fred, Aloisi or Les Murray think about that. I am not flinging shit at JA. I don't blame him for his appointment, I am disappointed in him for the way he went about his job but that is not the issue. I hope he learns and comes back a better coach. What I am concerned about is the lack of appreciation from the footballing media and to a lesser extent the footballing public for the lesson that needs to be learned about putting a manager in charge of a team who is totally unprepared for the job. It seems like Sydney FC might be about to make exactly the same mistake with ADP. Sorry Rellum I wasn't so much accusing you of flinging shit, more so the players. I don't get why people want them to say bad, negative quite frankly true things about JA as it achieves nothing. Like I said it's all about recognising the mistake at a board level (no longer a problem) and moving forward. All good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted February 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 Don't interview any of the players or staff of the heart. Interview me and i will give my balanced and unbiased opinion of JA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Cain Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 One of the best managers we've ever had tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 One of the best managers we've ever had tbh. Top two without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 (edited) It's not about giving JA shit. It's about two things: 1) Accountability 2) Transperency That's all I ever wanted regarding the JA saga. Edited February 22, 2014 by n i k o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 Fred just posted the article on his timeline and posted "Well say!!!" Once again he's just being a bitter flog and sinking the boot in. fucking loved that article of Gerhardt - me and another heart fan had a quick chat to him about exactly this after one of our more demoralising losses. What words did he use to describe it to you guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Aloisi is on Sunday Shootout after the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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