strider Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 31 minutes ago, Tony999 said: I have a solution to this: sign Samaras i concur this timeless statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) 6 hours ago, mjake1234 said: In the Fan Representative forum Dylan wrote "Was listening to the fox sports podcast. Apparently we have the lowest crowds in the league now. Which makes sense. " They are pretty correct. We have had the lowest attendance in each of our last two home games. Average attendance this year is 7,842 - just better than Perth with 7,616. This compares with CCM 8,188 Wellington 8,671 and Newcastle 11,642 with all other teams having greater averages. The most telling statistic is that this is the worst average attendance in our Heart/City history by far. 14/15 season 10,374 13/14 season 9,799 12/13 season 8,560 12/11 season 9,082 11/10 season 8,312 Other than our first home game by a very slender margin, none of our attendances this year have surpassed these averages. Round 3 - 8,408, round 4 - 7,209 and round 6 - 7,910 Talk about going backwards. If CFG are interested in metrics these should make them stand up. So when are they going to do something about it - like get a coach who can structure a competitive side and regain some interest in this bloody awful club???? (Reference Ultimate a-league) We need to be extremely careful when comparing attendances from season to season. My spreadsheet looks at home derby attendances separately from "ordinary" home-and-away matches, because I feel that they are a special case and also because sometimes there are two of them, and sometimes one. For the "ordinary" matches (i.e. non-Derby matches played at AAMI Park): 2010-11: 5,828; 2011-12: 6,472; 2012-13: 7,075; 2013-14: 7,255; 2014-15: 9,074; (and 8,009 excluding the two David Villa matches); 2015/16: 7,842; (3 matches so far). These average attendances tell quite a different story from those quoted above. But all of this is simply fails to look at the elephant in the room. Along with Newcastle we are dead last on the "cumulative league table" that I have compiled. We have rarely been entertaining at home. Too many times in the "crunch" match when we really need to win to maintain momentum we have performed miserably. Our recruitment has been poor, particularly our visa players. We seem unable to manage injuries and consequently almost never can field our best team. Our coach is the worst-performing senior (number of games) A-League coach. Since the takeover many good off-the-field things have been done, but on the field we have become largely irrelevant in the Melbourne context, and now it seems in the league as a whole. Our CEO promised that we would not be a "Mini-Manchester" but that is exactly what we have become. I do wish that the media would focus on the root causes of what has happened rather than trailing indicators. Edited November 26, 2015 by jw1739 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 8 minutes ago, jw1739 said: We need to be extremely careful when comparing attendances from season to season. My spreadsheet looks at home derby attendances separately from "ordinary" home-and-away matches, because I feel that they are a special case and also because sometimes there are two of them, and sometimes one. For the "ordinary" matches: 2010-11: 5,828; 2011-12: 6,472; 2012-13: 7,075; 2013-14: 7,255; 2014-15: 9,074; (and 8,009 excluding the two David Villa matches); 2015/16: 7,842; (3 matches so far). These average attendances tell quite a different story from those quoted above. But all of this is simply fails to look at the elephant in the room. Along with Newcastle we are dead last on the "cumulative league table" that I have compiled. We have rarely been entertaining at home. Too many times in the "crunch" match when we really need to win to maintain momentum we have performed miserably. Our recruitment has been poor, particularly our visa players. We seem unable to manage injuries and consequently almost never can field our best team. Our coach is the worst-performing senior (number of games) A-League coach. Since the takeover many good off-the-field things have been done, but on the field we have become largely irrelevant in the Melbourne context, and now it seems in the league as a whole. Our CEO promised that we would not be a "Mini-Manchester" but that is exactly what we have become. I do wish that the media would focus on the root causes of what has happened rather than trailing indicators. How are we a mini-Manchester barring the colour and name change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 13 minutes ago, Tony999 said: How are we a mini-Manchester barring the colour and name change? The two most identifiable things for a club are their name and colours. What else really is there? Maybe playing style or club chants? Few fans would be able to detect a club's playing style and even if people could I don't think there would be objects for cloning Man City's playing style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 26 minutes ago, Tony999 said: How are we a mini-Manchester barring the colour and name change? You're not serious are you Tony? Owners Manchester City, name, colours and dispute with Sydney over same, the "brand image", CFA Melbourne, website awash with sky blue, City Voice, Cityzens, prizes to NewYork and Manchester, staff brought from roles in Manchester... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecguymer Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 running some simple maths, this years two home derbies should add something like one and a half thousand each to our overall home match average attendance for the season (difference between typical match and near-sellout derby divided over the season); or about a 3000ish boost for two derbies..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: You're not serious are you Tony? Owners Manchester City, name, colours and dispute with Sydney over same, the "brand image", CFA Melbourne, website awash with sky blue, City Voice, Cityzens, prizes to NewYork and Manchester, staff brought from roles in Manchester... Well I said bar the colours and the name change. Just about everything that you have mentioned pretty much relates to the name change and colours. I'd rather win a trip to Manchester or New York then Bangladesh or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjake1234 Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 God I hate people who want to start using rationality and reinforce the "lies, damned lies and statistics" argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 3 hours ago, ecguymer said: running some simple maths, this years two home derbies should add something like one and a half thousand each to our overall home match average attendance for the season (difference between typical match and near-sellout derby divided over the season); or about a 3000ish boost for two derbies..... Total over 62 non-Derby matches at AAMI Park: 444,073. Average: 7,162 Total over 8 Derby matches at AAMI Park: 206,756. Average: 25,845 Total over 70 A-League matches at AAMI Park: 650,829. Average: 9,298. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jun Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Man City win games and are through to the knock outs in a continental cup. We're not mini-Man C, we're mini-Sydney FC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jun said: Man City win games and are through to the knock outs in a continental cup. We're not mini-Man C, we're mini-Sydney FC We're not even mini-Sydney FC, we're mini NZ Knights. SFC have at least won things and are competitive Edited November 26, 2015 by belaguttman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Even Frankston Pines have won more silverware then us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 4 hours ago, belaguttman said: We're not even mini-Sydney FC, we're mini NZ Knights. SFC have at least won things and are competitive If Sydney fc was bling fc we must be bland fc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 meh FC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 Off white fc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Melbourne Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 4000 tonight. Empty stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjake1234 Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 5,953 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 4 minutes ago, mjake1234 said: 5,953 Shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 2 minutes ago, Tony999 said: Shocking. Not really. After 2 of the worst ever home losses (imo) in the last 2 home matches 6k is probably a generous result. This is what happens when you play shit continually. Now tonights result against and even shiiter team may send some false hopes but we are going to experience 6k to 8k for the rest of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 50 minutes ago, Jovan said: Not really. After 2 of the worst ever home losses (imo) in the last 2 home matches 6k is probably a generous result. This is what happens when you play shit continually. Now tonights result against and even shiiter team may send some false hopes but we are going to experience 6k to 8k for the rest of the season. This. I was surprised to see so many people actually especially as there was a 60,000 person rally in the CBD. I know I can't give away free MCFC tickets to any of my friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 21 minutes ago, belaguttman said: This. I was surprised to see so many people actually especially as there was a 60,000 person rally in the CBD. I know I can't give away free MCFC tickets to any of my friends. Now l know who to contact when l need a free ticket 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 6 hours ago, belaguttman said: This. I was surprised to see so many people actually especially as there was a 60,000 person rally in the CBD. I know I can't give away free MCFC tickets to any of my friends. Free tickets to a MCFC game are becoming toxic to friendships. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffplz Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Have no idea where to post this, but anyone know if I can cop a GA ticket for the derby at the gates? or is it all reserved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecguymer Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 It's all reserved seats for the derby; but you should still be able to get a ticket at the gate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Will the derby be a sell out? I've give my 2 memberships to someone who can attend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 28 minutes ago, Tony999 said: Will the derby be a sell out? I've give my 2 memberships to someone who can attend I was unsure if I was able to go before decent seating sold out so I'd be interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 38 minutes ago, Deeming said: I was unsure if I was able to go before decent seating sold out so I'd be interested. Sorry mate, I actually meant to type "I've GIVEN my 2 memberships to someone who can attend" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I'm sure this question has been asked before, but is it possible to upgrade a child membership reserved seat to an adult ticket for any particular match? Wanting to bring along a mate to the derby, as my kids are too young for the evening games ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 1 hour ago, Torn Asunder said: I'm sure this question has been asked before, but is it possible to upgrade a child membership reserved seat to an adult ticket for any particular match? Wanting to bring along a mate to the derby, as my kids are too young for the evening games ... Is your friend baby faced? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 active bay closest to player's family area looked fairly empty, would be good to see the club offer tickets to that bay, waste having 3 bays when pretty much only the middle is full 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 Disappointing turn out. Given that it was 3rd vs 4th and that City were coming in after some strong performances and MV are a strong unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 8 hours ago, NewConvert said: Disappointing turn out. Given that it was 3rd vs 4th and that City were coming in after some strong performances and MV are a strong unit. Really? It was over 40 just a few hours before kick off and seemed like it'd be 38 at Ko. Given that I thought the turn out was pretty good, especially as our opponents would have been deeply pessimistic about their chances. The other interesting thing is the number of city Supporters around the ground seemed to outnumber tards, which must be the first time ever this has happened. I take this to mean there are a lot of latent supporters there who have not been regular attenders for whatever reason, but came out of the woodwork for our biggest home game of the season so far. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 1 hour ago, Shahanga said: Really? It was over 40 just a few hours before kick off and seemed like it'd be 38 at Ko. Given that I thought the turn out was pretty good, especially as our opponents would have been deeply pessimistic about their chances. The other interesting thing is the number of city Supporters around the ground seemed to outnumber tards, which must be the first time ever this has happened. I take this to mean there are a lot of latent supporters there who have not been regular attenders for whatever reason, but came out of the woodwork for our biggest home game of the season so far. I know it was hot! But I can't seem to get the feeling that we are always making excuses, if its not this then it is something else. And I don't think that hot weather bothers cricket games. I hope that the weather is kinder for the next derby. I also did notice that there appeared to be more City supporters around the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 I don't think it's an excuse. It's not just the temperature at the ground, it's the issue of getting there and home again on public transport for many people. That can be quite intimidating for certain groups of people. Overall, IMO it's an issue of how the club manages its STHs and what options are open to them to release seats that are nominally reserved for STHs. The highest home derby attendance is actually 26,539 (Christmas Derby 2011), well short of the ground's nominal capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 I don't think I have ever seen that many Melbourne supporters stay back after the final whistle to celebrate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 Being able to easily upgrade kids memberships to an adult ticket would help boost numbers. Lots of young kids don't come to evening matches. At the moment it's not doable to upgrade 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 You're delusional if you think the heat didn't play a massive factor. I was walking down Swan St about 5pm and that's the hottest I remember since black Saturday. When you consider this is around the time most families in the 'burbs are getting ready to head in its no surprise that the game wasn't a sell out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 40 at my place (well outside) when I left for the match. 3 members of my family pulled the pin due to the heat to stay inside with the aircon. Hard to blame them. im sure the club sold/allocated a lot more tickets than the attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 1 hour ago, Shahanga said: 40 at my place (well outside) when I left for the match. 3 members of my family pulled the pin due to the heat to stay inside with the aircon. Hard to blame them. im sure the club sold/allocated a lot more tickets than the attendance. 2 of my group also late withdrawals. 23k or 28k or 31k doesn't really matter a great deal for me it's more city to tard ratio. Last few Christmas derbies have been more even and I actually felt Saturday was more city than tard. It's hard to accurately tell but that was what I saw from where I was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 20 minutes ago, Jovan said: 2 of my group also late withdrawals. 23k or 28k or 31k doesn't really matter a great deal for me it's more city to tard ratio. Last few Christmas derbies have been more even and I actually felt Saturday was more city than tard. It's hard to accurately tell but that was what I saw from where I was. Pretty sure we changed the way we sold the tickets to the derby this year to allow better access to City fans, and for it to be much harder for mong fans to get tickets. Probably affected the sales (only slightly) but certainly made for a more pro-City crowd. Bout time we started dicking them a bit for all the shit they make us go through at Etihad. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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