Dylan Posted July 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 442 Comment Quote My concern for City this year is coach Joyce.No British coach, and British trained, has had any success to date in Oz. Magilton, McMahon, Money, Nevin, Butcher all failed with the cattle they had.The Brits who have had success have had local training and are products of the Aussie milieu. Ernie, Mulvey and Lowe are to all intents and purposes, Aussie coaches.Even if City get Troisi, and any other cattle, I'm tipping Joyce to fail. Unless he has worked extensively with some of the decent senior coaches in his clubs, his training could be worse than the current Aussie coaches. I think like all of his previous countrymen he is in for a shock. I'm happy to be proved wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dylan said: 442 Comment Meh, seems like anti-England sentiment more than anything else. A coach's nationaility means jack-shit imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 21 minutes ago, Dylan said: 442 Comment Opinions, arseholes etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R410 Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 49 minutes ago, n i k o said: Opinions, arseholes etc. etc. Opinions are like arseholes, you should get yours checked by a professional and if there is something wrong with it, get it fixed??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiji19 Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 We've signed Jess Van Stratten as Goal Keeper coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Edmonds Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) Spoke to Joyce tonight, 4-3-3 is the formation for the season. Also spoke to Michael who said we'll be playing on the counter Edited July 27, 2017 by Andrew Edmonds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of oakleigh Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, Andrew Edmonds said: Spoke to Joyce tonight, 4-3-3 is the formation for the season. Also spoke to Michael who said we'll be playing on the counter Did joyce say anything about filling the last 2 visa spots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Edmonds Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 18 minutes ago, Heart of oakleigh said: Did joyce say anything about filling the last 2 visa spots? Wouldn't go into detail about visa spots, but he said definitely 1 signing will be made, maybe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 36 minutes ago, Andrew Edmonds said: Spoke to Joyce tonight, 4-3-3 is the formation for the season. Also spoke to Michael who said we'll be playing on the counter ------------------Galekovic------------------- Muscat---VISA CB---Jakobsen---Scotty J ------------------Kilkenny----------------------- --------Marquee Visa--Mauk/Brattan----- Fitzy-----------Fornaroli----------Brandan(after injury) SUB: Bouzanis, Cahill, Mauk/Brattan, Kamau, Tonyik/La Rocca 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Muscat bothers me. Certainly our weak link in the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, n i k o said: Muscat bothers me. Certainly our weak link in the back. I'm willing to see how he performs under a different manager and in a different system where the fullbacks are less exposed. Still feel that if we have the back four that Haz suggested then you can carry a weaker fullback in it without too much issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 12 minutes ago, Embee said: I'm willing to see how he performs under a different manager and in a different system where the fullbacks are less exposed. Still feel that if we have the back four that Haz suggested then you can carry a weaker fullback in it without too much issue. I would also like to see Pierias given a go at RB too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Probably more likely is La Rocca as CB and no Visa at all. A back 4 of Muscat La Rocca Jakobsen and Jamieson is servicable but nothing special. With Ruon getting a sniff here and there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC22 Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Surely we're not planning on Muscat being anything other than a back up option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 26 minutes ago, Jovan said: Probably more likely is La Rocca as CB and no Visa at all. A back 4 of Muscat La Rocca Jakobsen and Jamieson is servicable but nothing special. With Ruon getting a sniff here and there. If so, where would we use the last two VISA places? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 34 minutes ago, JC22 said: Surely we're not planning on Muscat being anything other than a back up option. I'm hearing ya man, his name is being thrown around way too loosely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 Regarding the lack of ambition thus far with our signings, I think this may foreshadow a change in approach by City Group in terms of how it views its Melbourne club. Considering: the salary cap and counter-intuitive trading restrictions put in place by FFA which hinders City Group's ability to compile a genuine AFC level championship contender we are now 'City' blue (which was a huge objective, and is probably the only reason we have a Cahill type player in the squad) feedback from fans saying consistency of performance is critical (not necessarily results) a desire not be a mini-Manchester the success, goodwill and money generated through the success of Aaron Mooy Warren Joyce's experience in developing young players the possibility of returning to some of Melbourne Heart's founding principles around developing young Australian players and future Socceroos; I get a feeling that Melbourne City FC will be considered a low cost feeder club for City Group, to push players into the Championship / EPL, and the development of our young players (and further development of established A-League players) and on-selling players will be preferential to winning trophies, provided supporters are happy to see the young guys given a go and we have consistency of competitive performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 21 minutes ago, Torn Asunder said: Regarding the lack of ambition thus far with our signings, I think this may foreshadow a change in approach by City Group in terms of how it views its Melbourne club. Considering: the salary cap and counter-intuitive trading restrictions put in place by FFA which hinders City Group's ability to compile a genuine AFC level championship contender we are now 'City' blue (which was a huge objective, and is probably the only reason we have a Cahill type player in the squad) feedback from fans saying consistency of performance is critical (not necessarily results) a desire not be a mini-Manchester the success, goodwill and money generated through the success of Aaron Mooy Warren Joyce's experience in developing young players the possibility of returning to some of Melbourne Heart's founding principles around developing young Australian players and future Socceroos; I get a feeling that Melbourne City FC will be considered a low cost feeder club for City Group, to push players into the Championship / EPL, and the development of our young players (and further development of established A-League players) and on-selling players will be preferential to winning trophies, provided supporters are happy to see the young guys given a go and we have consistency of competitive performance. Interesting view. Is that your personal feeling about a perceived change in direction, or have you received hints from "inside"? Is it worth running "feeder clubs" - or is it cheaper to let other clubs develop players until they are proven to be quality and then cherry-pick the ones you want with irresistible transfer fee offers? It's true FFA has thrown up all sorts of roadblocks in front of CFG, but I would have thought having finally achieved "City Blue Brand" at quite some cost, CFG would have been keen to capitalise on it rather than change direction at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 Its my gut feeling. CFG have always said they will only invest commensurate to what the A-League is worth to them, so unless the salary cap changes, I think there is a chance that the approach detailed above is where they will focus their priorities. The next 1 or 2 signings will be telling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Torn Asunder said: Regarding the lack of ambition thus far with our signings, I think this may foreshadow a change in approach by City Group in terms of how it views its Melbourne club. Considering: the salary cap and counter-intuitive trading restrictions put in place by FFA which hinders City Group's ability to compile a genuine AFC level championship contender we are now 'City' blue (which was a huge objective, and is probably the only reason we have a Cahill type player in the squad) feedback from fans saying consistency of performance is critical (not necessarily results) a desire not be a mini-Manchester the success, goodwill and money generated through the success of Aaron Mooy Warren Joyce's experience in developing young players the possibility of returning to some of Melbourne Heart's founding principles around developing young Australian players and future Socceroos; I get a feeling that Melbourne City FC will be considered a low cost feeder club for City Group, to push players into the Championship / EPL, and the development of our young players (and further development of established A-League players) and on-selling players will be preferential to winning trophies, provided supporters are happy to see the young guys given a go and we have consistency of competitive performance. So is all of this is based on the signings (or lack off) during this transfer window? Edited July 28, 2017 by Jovan Sorry just seen your reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Torn Asunder said: Its my gut feeling. CFG have always said they will only invest commensurate to what the A-League is worth to them, so unless the salary cap changes, I think there is a chance that the approach detailed above is where they will focus their priorities. The next 1 or 2 signings will be telling. My 2 cents. We will always maximise the salary cap also this season, it's so ridiculously low and we would be stupid not to do so. Surely CFG sees completing the salary cap as the minimal investment they have to make. What makes you think it's a change in approach? We showed in previous years that we aren't willing to spend a crazy amount on a marquee, this year won't be any different. I think the club is just taking its time, carefully moving players on to solve the salary cap puzzle. This is also why Brattan isn't announced yet and they aren't clear on the Brandan situation in regards to injury replacements. Maybe we really have no cap space left hence only one or two incoming players? We are now allowed to sign more Scholarship players for development purposes, so we would be really silly not to build a competitive squad with the remaining cap space. Edited July 28, 2017 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 37 minutes ago, Mr MO said: My 2 cents. We will always maximise the salary cap also this season, it's so ridiculously low and we would be stupid not to do so. Surely CFG sees completing the salary as the minimal investment they have to make. What makes you think it's a change in approach? We showed in previous years that we aren't willing to spend a crazy amount on a marquee, this year won't be any different. I think the club is just taking its time, carefully moving players on to solve the salary cap puzzle. This is also why Brattan isn't announced yet and they aren't clear on the Brandan situation in regards to injury replacements. Maybe we really have no cap space left hence only one or two incoming players? We are now allowed to sign more Scholarship players for development purposes, so we would be really silly not to build a competitive squad with the remaining cap space. The club would be stupid not to fill the remaining VISA spots. If we only sign one, I would rather see a VISA CB then a VISA CAM, im sure some will disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, haz said: The club would be stupid not to fill the remaining VISA spots. If we only sign one, I would rather see a VISA CB then a VISA CAM, im sure some will disagree. I'm happy for the CAM to be Australian, if they are up to standard as marquee. I can't particularly think of anyone that is good enough to fill that role thats eligible though tbh. So Visa Marquee CAM and a Visa CB. The rumours doing the rounds re Carrusca are ok with me under the cap, but no way in hell should we be using our marquee slot on him. A marquee CB i wouldn't be against, but would def prefer CAM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of oakleigh Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, haz said: The club would be stupid not to fill the remaining VISA spots. If we only sign one, I would rather see a VISA CB then a VISA CAM, im sure some will disagree. With the marquee spot available & the salary cap room available after franjic leaving i am pretty certain we will sign the two remaining visa players. One should be a #10 but not sure if the final visa spot should go to a centre back or right back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Heart of oakleigh said: With the marquee spot available & the salary cap room available after franjic leaving i am pretty certain we will sign the two remaining visa players. One should be a #10 but not sure if the final visa spot should go to a centre back or right back. If it's either/or, and I suspect it is, I'd go for central defence as I think we can make do and mend at RB. Moreover I suspect we'll want to keep three at the back as a viable option. The marquee really needs to be a number ten. I don't think Mauk is our solution there, decent as I think he might prove to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 Current CAM without a contract: https://www.transfermarkt.com/spieler/vertragslosespieler/statistik/1/plus//galerie/0?ausrichtung=alle&spielerposition_id=10&land_id=alle&wettbewerb_id=alle&seit=alle&yt0=Show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 Can't see them signing a CB to be honest. Jacobsen, LaRocca, Tongyik, Muscat, Malik, Jamieson, and a couple of youth for the full back fill in roles, is about it I think. The transitional aspects of the game is where we faltered and this is purely a tactical issue. The manager is solely responsible for this and I think the players we have are more than capable if the are coached right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 At the moment we are the only Australian based team in the competition never to have won a Championship. We share a city with a rival that has been successfull. If improving support is a metric for the franchise then winning a Championship has to be a priority otherwise we'll be the number 3 team in Melbourne behind South Melbourne FC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, belaguttman said: At the moment we are the only Australian based team in the competition never to have won a Championship Wow just realised this. We are shit. #WellingtonOUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, belaguttman said: At the moment we are the only Australian based team in the competition never to have won a Championship. We share a city with a rival that has been successfull. If improving support is a metric for the franchise then winning a Championship has to be a priority otherwise we'll be the number 3 team in Melbourne behind South Melbourne FC WSW have won a Premiership but not a Championship. Perth hasn't won either since the A-League was formed. But the point is well made. We're the only (current) Australian-based club never to have featured either in the top two in the regular season or in a Grand Final. Edited July 28, 2017 by jw1739 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 2 hours ago, jw1739 said: WSW have won a Premiership but not a Championship. Perth hasn't won either since the A-League was formed. But the point is well made. We're the only (current) Australian-based club never to have featured either in the top two in the regular season or in a Grand Final. Bit selective. We are the cup champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtellingyou Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 Coming from England and Man U he thinks he's the best coach. Who wouldn't. That's fine. Reality check comes in the second round. Then against Grumpy and Poppa. First test next week away. We didn't trash last opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnno cpfc Posted July 29, 2017 Report Share Posted July 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Imtellingyou said: Coming from England and Man U he thinks he's the best coach. Who wouldn't. That's fine. Reality check comes in the second round. Then against Grumpy and Poppa. First test next week away. We didn't trash last opponent. Mainly because we played quite a few of our youngsters, Where do you hide your head in a bucket of sand or something. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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haz Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 20 minutes ago, InMyHeart said: Us by finals time 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, haz said: Us by finals time After we lose to Hakoah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, haz said: Us by finals time Looks like a standard city response, win, lose or draw. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever City Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Interesting very interseing. http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/the-covert-agent-melbourne-city-coach-warren-joyce-demotes/1dhsq60lv0dgg1vd98qflcrg11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted September 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 Well if it's true and they have a good record, you'd think he would bring his own assistants. Little concerned that he isn't a fan of sport science. But hey, it's on his head if he fucks up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 its goal, so it could be complete made up bullshit, but if that article on wazza is true that makes me like him even more haha 26 minutes ago, Dylan said: Well if it's true and they have a good record, you'd think he would bring his own assistants. Little concerned that he isn't a fan of sport science. But hey, it's on his head if he fucks up Not sure you get to bring your own assistants down here, particularly when the existing ones are contracted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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