Red or Dead Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Coach killer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 Coach killer! It wasn't cheap but we have achieved the outcome needed for the club. He can start scoring again now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 NYL player under JVS last time around. It will be interesting how he responds assuming the Dutchman returns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFCROB24 Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 Deliberatly missed the goal and now look what happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mstrkrft Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 NYL player under JVS last time around. It will be interesting how he responds assuming the Dutchman returns. Only ever had one season where he's shown he can be anything more than a NYL quality player and that was at NQF but with players like Mehbratu & Ramsey fighting for his spot, Williams is likely to start who ever the coach is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 He has speed but no real striker skills or a football brain Just ordinary over all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 Although thy play different roles I would rather have Williams ahead of Kalmar or Hoffman. When he was playing in the midfield in place of Kewell he did OK certainly no worse than Kewell and he hasn't shanked a penalty this season. For me the team needs a good quality coach that can fit the pieces together. I will concede that he looked very good at NQF because everyone else was so poor so yes he did shine. And under JVS he did not flourish mainly because JVS's football is so rigid. However like the rest of the side, his performance has declined over the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandev Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 I hear he's "just over it all". So perhaps he needs to benched or play for Youth team so he can find some motivation again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 I hear he's "just over it all". So perhaps he needs to benched or play for Youth team so he can find some motivation again. What an ungrateful little cunt. If your given an opportunity to play a sport professionally you show up and perform everyday. It's a privilege to play, not a right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 Cool your jets, from what I've witnessed this season his effort has been higher than previous seasons, unfortunately his skills have not been upto par 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 Like many players over the last two seasons, Williams has tended to be played out of his natural position. I don't think his touch is good enough to play in the #10 role, but as an out and out striker he's not too bad. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aardvark Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 I'm a fan. His shooting can be woeful but he is also one of the few players we have that is prepared to have a shot, and is dangerous with those shots from a range of places. He has pace, he does work really hard both ways in matches, his crossing is really good and while certainly not a strength (and nowhere good enough to play as a #10) his passing is adequate. While Aloisi has shown a lot of faith in him, I also think he has screwed him over a bit. Williams has never had more than 2 games in a row in his preferred position of striker at the club, this despite being our only striker that can break offside traps (Mifsud starts offside and Mebrahtu never uses his pace to advantage) and can actually win and follow up headers. I don't see what we have to lose by playing him up front, other than match day balls fired into the crowd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caddy Posted December 30, 2013 Report Share Posted December 30, 2013 His effort is there this season, he works a million times harder than Mebrahtu or Ramsay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libero Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 Like many players over the last two seasons, Williams has tended to be played out of his natural position. I don't think his touch is good enough to play in the #10 role, but as an out and out striker he's not too bad. Agreed. Also, hes not smart enough to play as a #10 or out wide, and does not pressure enough to be playing on the wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 31, 2013 Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 In a squad limited to 23 you can't afford to have so-so players who are only any good in one position and then only when they feel like it. DW summed himself up IMO - "if we won, we won; if we lost, we lost." You don't earn yourself another contract by switching yourself on for the last couple of months of the previous one. We can do a lot better elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I'm over this bloke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 plays like shit under JVS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulhollanddrive Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Typical Australian A-League journeyman, runs all day but can't control the ball under pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victards Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Been saying this since the day we signed him, fucking useless player, just runs like a head-less chook and does fuck all. Cant hit a metre pass to save himself. Him and Mifsud, OUT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Should be played up front, not on the wing, down day today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart_fan Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Been saying this since the day we signed him, fucking useless player, just runs like a head-less chook and does fuck all. Cant hit a metre pass to save himself. Him and Mifsud, OUT. Fully agree. The commentators love him, saying he has such potential, but its a bit past that now. He has far too many weaknesses in his game. As for playing him centrally, he looks lost. He just does not add what we need, and that is a calm and patient footballing brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 plays like shit under JVS I'll give you some clues as to why.......possesion and passing....two of his weakest areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Been saying this since the day we signed him, fucking useless player, just runs like a head-less chook and does fuck all. Cant hit a metre pass to save himself. Him and Mifsud, OUT. Take Ramsey with them......fkn clueless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 These are the players that after season two should have been assessed at to wether they were good enough to move forward with. Which they never were. The clubs ambitions are definitely to blame for the reasons as to why these players were held onto. Such small ambitions going into season three meant we didn't see the need to find better more capable replacements. No matter what issue, both big or small, always comes back to the people in charge of the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I like Willo. He is `however a confidence player, and really, ours is not the club that builds confidence. Quite the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyheart Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I thought once Williams came on he was the only player to be aggressive and attack. In terms of our current forwards I think he's the best of a poor lot and his 4 goals says that. He's tried and given his all every game, a lot better than most. I think he deserves to start, preferably at the 9! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 If we could replicate the passion he plays with in every player, we would not be last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aardvark Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 FFS can we try him as a striker for once? He's played once as a striker this season in round 2, scored twice. He starts onside, has pace and shoots with power. Yes his shooting is hit and miss, but atleast his have conviction, and Mifsuds shots lack both power and the "hit" component, in that they are never on target anyway. FFS the only goal he has scored has been from the penalty spot with nobody between him and the goals. At least give him a go in his natural position for more than one game in a row because all other options are exhausted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 FFS can we try him as a striker for once? He's played once as a striker this season in round 2, scored twice. He starts onside, has pace and shoots with power. Yes his shooting is hit and miss, but atleast his have conviction, and Mifsuds shots lack both power and the "hit" component, in that they are never on target anyway. FFS the only goal he has scored has been from the penalty spot with nobody between him and the goals. At least give him a go in his natural position for more than one game in a row because all other options are exhausted. This!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted January 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) These are the players that after season two should have been assessed at to wether they were good enough to move forward with. Which they never were. The clubs ambitions are definitely to blame for the reasons as to why these players were held onto. Such small ambitions going into season three meant we didn't see the need to find better more capable replacements. No matter what issue, both big or small, always comes back to the people in charge of the club. Was signed on a 3 year contract after season 1, not much we could do other than ride it out. Doubt he'll be here next year as we won't be paying overs, nor will we give him a lengthy contract. Edited January 6, 2014 by sharpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Well until the ownership issue is sorted out, followed by the appointment of a permanent coach who will then review the playing list, then we will find out whether the club will give him another contract. Let's face it with so many players out of contract and depending on the budget no one will know how the list will pan out. FWIW I certainly will have him at the club and he needs to be played as a striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartofmelbourne12 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Spoke to him at a club after the Wellington game. Before the sacking of Aloisi. He said if this bullshit continues when his contract runs out in April he won't be look to stay. I don't know of things have changed since Aloisi is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 If things had continued under Aloisi we wouldn't be in the position of talking about who we wanted to keep or not, we would have been sending out press gangs to local ovals to find 24 unfortunates who couldn't escape! I'd like to play him as a striker but if JVS wants to use a false 9 then DMac or Gol Gol are probably better at holding up the ball that DW. Mind you, the way that we have devolved, we are a long way off successfully playing any sophisticated game plans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samardzija Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Don't understand why a lot of people on here say we should play him as a striker, he lacks all the attributes to be a striker, bad first touch, no composure, no brain, horrible finishing, poor link up play, the only attribute he has going for him is his pace which IMO is best used out wide, and because of this, I think his best position is on the wing. Shouldn't get re-signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Because he is a striker. When he was at Brondby and while at NQF he was played nearly exclusively as a striker, he looked good in a hapless NQF team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Indigenous man's Kaz Patafta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samardzija Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Because he is a striker. When he was at Brondby and while at NQF he was played nearly exclusively as a striker, he looked good in a hapless NQF team. He has no attributes that point to him being a successful striker, arguments like 'he was good at fury' are rubbish, because that was 3-4 years ago, and they were shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I'm not sure I buy the argument that Williams is so bad because he's not being played as an out an out striker. He was played there in pre-season, and was pretty dreadful. Also, the 2 goals he scored against CCM at AAMI when he was in advanced positions were tap ins. And he somehow managed to not score a third tap in that game. And, of course, he missed another sitter against Wellington. I just don't rate Williams. Poor touch, poor passing, poor finishing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I'm not sure I buy the argument that Williams is so bad because he's not being played as an out an out striker. He was played there in pre-season, and was pretty dreadful. Also, the 2 goals he scored against CCM at AAMI when he was in advanced positions were tap ins. And he somehow managed to not score a third tap in that game. And, of course, he missed another sitter against Wellington. I just don't rate Williams. Poor touch, poor passing, poor finishing. This fucking post :clap: :clap: :clap: How many more chances does he get? He's no good. The rest of the league has gotten better while he is still at the same skill level he was when at NQF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 According to Wikipedia his record at NQF (8 goals from 49 matches) was actually slightly worse than his record at Heart (10 from 52). IMO what you are currently seeing from DW is as far as he is able to go in terms of development as a footballer. His main attribute is speed, and he's only going to get slower from here on in. We already rely far too much on speedsters in the squad - others being Dugandzic, Ramsay and Mifsud. I long for the day I see a couple of Heart players able to beat a man with a swivel of the hips or a step-over or some other piece of footwork trickery. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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