KSK_47 Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 43 minutes ago, Tommykins said: Absolutely amazing to think that what Luis Garcia has done on the Central Coast would be preferred to what Bruno Fornaroli has done for Melbourne City. I am still absolutely gobsmacked that people think its unfair in any way that the FFA wont give us any money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, KSK_47 said: I am still absolutely gobsmacked that people think its unfair in any way that the FFA wont give us any money Im the same, well maybe not gobsmacked. The marquee fund should only be there for clubs who wouldnt normally be able to go after a marquee. So that rules out us, visitors, Sydney and WSW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 49 minutes ago, Tommykins said: Absolutely amazing to think that what Luis Garcia has done on the Central Coast would be preferred to what Bruno Fornaroli has done for Melbourne City. And this is the problem. It just seems to me they've leant nothing from their guest player fiasco (fiasco because it's not used& never will be, as it's impossible to meet the criteria). How many scouts do the FFA employ? What capacity do they actually have to know what impact a player will have on the league? Micro managing something you don't know anything about rarely ends well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 52 minutes ago, jw1739 said: I doubt that CFG particularly cares about the "marquee fund" or a couple of hundred thousand here or there. After speaking to someone at the club I can say that I'm certain that this is a misconception that continues to be associated with CFG. CFG didn't get to where they are by throwing money away. Every dollar that goes through Melbourne city must been accounted for. So when the FFA is providing assistance to bring in big marquee players you better believe that CFG will try to utilise this just as much as any other club in the league. If of course it fits in with their plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 49 minutes ago, n i k o said: After speaking to someone at the club I can say that I'm certain that this is a misconception that continues to be associated with CFG. CFG didn't get to where they are by throwing money away. Every dollar that goes through Melbourne city must been accounted for. So when the FFA is providing assistance to bring in big marquee players you better believe that CFG will try to utilise this just as much as any other club in the league. If of course it fits in with their plans. Of course CFG is a business and they will endeavour to use it if it fits their plans. But it appears now that it the "marquee fund" isn't for clubs that FFA considers are wealthy enough to do their own thing. Fair enough, but let's have clarity right from the start. FFA never seems to think these things through. The message I get from de Bohun is "Piss off and do your own thing. Except of course, if you want to do something that we suddenly decide isn't what we think we want." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 2 hours ago, KSK_47 said: I am still absolutely gobsmacked that people think its unfair in any way that the FFA wont give us any money My issue isn't with giving us money, the problem is teams are incentivised to go hunt down older players (Luis Garcia hadn't played since 2014), rather than Fornaroli. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dylan said: Im the same, well maybe not gobsmacked. The marquee fund should only be there for clubs who wouldnt normally be able to go after a marquee. So that rules out us, visitors, Sydney and WSW The funny thing is if you look at the past 2 seasons, us, Sydney, victory and WSW haven't signed big name marquees (the type of marquees needed to get Marquee fund money), and instead have signed small name marquees (and, it turned out, mostly very unsuccessful marquees) with the likes of Koren, Holosko and Piovaccari. So I'd say all A-League clubs could use at least some assistance with signing marquees, because I reckon it would be pretty negative for the league if the next 2 seasons have marquees as unglamorous as the past 2 seasons. BTW, to be clear, I reckon the ideal marquees for the league is one part small name players ("who become big name players in Australia") like Fornaroli, Berisha and Ono, and one part big name players who put bums on seats, like Del Piero, Villa and Garcia. Edited April 17, 2016 by Murfy1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 11 minutes ago, Murfy1 said: The funny thing is if you look at the past 2 seasons, us, Sydney, victory and WSW haven't signed big name marquees (the type of marquees needed to get Marquee fund money), and instead have signed small name marquees (and, it turned out, mostly very unsuccessful marquees) with the likes of Koren, Holosko and Piovaccari. So I'd say all A-League clubs could use at least some assistance with signing marquees, because I reckon it would be pretty negative for the league if the next 2 seasons have marquees as unglamorous as the past 2 seasons. BTW, to be clear, I reckon the ideal marquees for the league is one part small name players ("who become big name players in Australia") like Fornaroli, Berisha and Ono, and one part big name players who put bums on seats, like Del Piero, Villa and Garcia. I think the clubs not signing 'big name' marquees is not really to do with assistance (given that the assistance that FFA could provide would be minimal) but more because there seems to be a bit of an opinion floating around that the 'marquee' of a no name becoming one, ala Tuna, Berisha etc is seen as more 'pure' and that the club issnt 'selling out'. Now that we have two marquee spots. Its clear that we need a big name to replace Mooy, our growth has stagnated. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be a Man City player who issnt needed under Guardiola. I think they still feel a little burnt about Koren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Don't forget that FFA has to approve all marquees and guest players. They hold the whip hand in all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 3 hours ago, KSK_47 said: I am still absolutely gobsmacked that people think its unfair in any way that the FFA wont give us any money The marquee fund isn't football centrelink. It's there to subsidise quality marquee players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 27 minutes ago, Tesla said: The marquee fund isn't football centrelink. It's there to subsidise quality marquee players. It pretty much is football centrelink. Its there to bring in players to clubs that cant afford them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 18 minutes ago, KSK_47 said: It pretty much is football centrelink. Its there to bring in players to clubs that cant afford them There's nothing in what I've read that even hints that the fund is directed at "clubs that can't afford them." http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/ffa-releases-fouryear-plan-in-the-hope-of-securing-major-new-broadcasting-deal-20160308-gnda1y.html " Most notably, the FFA will form a centralised pool to help those clubs who want to purchase marquee players, with a "seven-figure amount" set aside to help fund the next generation of star players as revealed by Fairfax Media on February 25." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Just now, KSK_47 said: It pretty much is football centrelink. Its there to bring in players to clubs that cant afford them Not at all. It has nothing to do with whether they can afford them or not, it's about making signing a marquee player a more attractive investment by lowering the cost in light of the league-wide benefits. For example, the big teams in the league like us, Sydney, and Victory, could afford big names. But given the high cost, the benefits to the individual team aren't enough to justify the cost. It doesn't appear to be a smart investment. The problem is that one team is paying all the costs, but the whole league is reaping the benefit. If you look at it from the perspective of the league as a whole it is a good investment, but if you look at it from the point of view of one club it isn't since they aren't deriving enough benefit to justify the cost. So the FFA is trying to solve this problem by paying for the benefit accrued by the rest of the league, lowering the cost for the individual team, and hopefully making it an attractive investment for the individual team. If that happens, then it's a win for the whole league. The fact is, even with the marquee fund, and especially given that the FFA appears to be really looking for 'big names', teams like CCM and Newcastle are still not going to be able to afford these players. It's still most likely going to end up going to us, Victory, and Sydney. It's certainly not a measure that is going to help out the less well off clubs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 (edited) I stand corrected But I still think its ridiculous that people think we should be given any money at all Edited April 17, 2016 by KSK_47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, KSK_47 said: I stand corrected But I still think its ridiculous that people think we should be given any money at all Why not? There is a league-wide benefit to us signing marquee players just as there is if any other team signs a marquee player. Also, I think it's been demonstrated by now that our club is run on a reasonable budget, one that is not significantly higher than what teams like Victory and Sydney would have. Edited April 17, 2016 by Tesla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Tesla said: Why not? There is a league-wide benefit to us signing marquee players just as there is if any other team signs a marquee player. Also, I think it's been demonstrated by now that our club is run on a reasonable budget, one that is not significantly higher than what teams like Victory and Sydney would have. Because i dont think him being in tge leauge will significantly benifit anyone but us. Plus regardless of what our budget is CFG dont need any financial help Edited April 17, 2016 by KSK_47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 The whole problem I have is the amount allocated is a load of shit - well and truly too small when you consider what Lampard, Pirlo et al are on. 9 minutes ago, KSK_47 said: Because i dont think him being in tge leauge will significantly benifit anyone but us. Plus regardless of what our budget is CFG dont need any financial help IIRC attendance for most away Sydney games did rise during del Pierro's first season (particularly early on before people realised Sydney were still shit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Just now, mattyh001 said: IIRC attendance for most away Sydney games did rise during del Pierro's first season (particularly early on before people realised Sydney were still shit) Hesky too. But the fact is that unless its a huge name it doesnt help anyone but the team they play for. And even then you could put a steong case forward that big names dont actually help anyone at all in the bigger picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, KSK_47 said: Hesky too. But the fact is that unless its a huge name it doesnt help anyone but the team they play for. And even then you could put a steong case forward that big names dont actually help anyone at all in the bigger (longer term) picture. Agree and unfortunately it's a fair old chicken and egg story when it comes to drawing in the interest of new fans. I've always found people don't generally like getting out of their comfort zone. To do so they need something so awesome or gimmicky they feel they are on a winner. So to bring in a world class player does make people feel in awe in some way shape or form (more so if they already have some football knowledge in terms of marques). To extent you could argue Luis Garcia did this. The problem is you need quality behind the product or people will feel used. So how do you keep the balance? After all an expanding supporter base brings new and continuously increasing revenue base, which what helps maintain sustainability and can be reinvested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 (edited) 42 minutes ago, KSK_47 said: Because i dont think him being in tge leauge will significantly benifit anyone but us. I didn't realise you were talking about Fornaroli specifically, yes I suppose he isn't a "big name" and going by the spirit of this idea then he shouldn't be subsidised. But the reason I was saying all marquee wages should be subsidised is because otherwise it's a system that is based around subjectivity, and the FFA have shown they can't really be trusted to be unbiased in such decisions. Hence my preference for it to apply to all marquees. 42 minutes ago, KSK_47 said: Plus regardless of what our budget is CFG dont need any financial help I don't want to keep going on about it as I don't think we'll agree, but I just want to say it's not about 'financial help', it's about providing an increased incentive to sign big name players. If it was a case of 'financial help' then yeah CFG don't need it. Just because you can afford something doesn't mean you're going to spend your money on it. The idea is to encourage clubs to spend their money on big name players. Edited April 17, 2016 by Tesla 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntiScum Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 build him a statue .... let him write his own contract!!! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Can we keep him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Why should we spend a shed load of money, $2-4M, on a 'big' name player when we have the most lethal guy ever to have played in the HAL - and a hell of a good guy at that? Lotta man-love for Bruno tonight . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredinho69 Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 God bless this man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntiScum Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 12 minutes ago, HEARTinator said: Why should we spend a shed load of money, $2-4M, on a 'big' name player when we have the most lethal guy ever to have played in the HAL - and a hell of a good guy at that? Lotta man-love for Bruno tonight . I`ve heard a big named midfielder is close to being finalised for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC22 Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 I love this beautiful cunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellydrum Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 20 minutes ago, AntiScum said: I`ve heard a big named midfielder is close to being finalised for next season. Too ambiguous for a green line sorry mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntiScum Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, bellydrum said: Too ambiguous for a green line sorry mate i havnt been too wrong in the past Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 How many goals has he scored against Man U? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 In the top 30 goalscorers of all time in the A-League. Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 What can't this bloke do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victards Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 If this bloke isn't tied down to a 4 year multi-million dollar contract, fold the fucking club. That first goal was one of the best goal's i have ever seen live, lost for words, fucking incredible. Should be the face of this football club for years to come. Amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Exlclusive picture of Melbourne City's initial offer to Fornaroli for his contract next year: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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n i k o Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Bruno's wife better be treating him like a king tonight. Whatever he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 ...and what did he say when interviewed by Zappas? 'We haven't won anything yet' Brilliant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 7 hours ago, rass said: ...and what did he say when interviewed by Zappas? 'We haven't won anything yet' Brilliant. I fucking love this guy! We have had players who gave a shit about the club before, but they have been rubbish. We have had some great players at the club but none of them really cared. And we have had some utter shit players who didnt give a fuck either. But Bruno. Fucking hell. What more can you say about this bloke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 15 hours ago, Tesla said: Just because you can afford something doesn't mean you're going to spend your money on it. The idea is to encourage clubs to spend their money on big name players. Oh i forgot to reply to this. I completely agree that if its a signing that the FFA want but the club doesnt or they are lukewarm about then, yes i completely agree the FFA should pay for it or at least subsidise the club. But this all came about because people were complaining that the FFA wont help us pay to keep Bruno here. And after last night i will say that i was completely wrong about this. The club, the FFA, the fucking state and federal governments need to do everything in their power to make sure he stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 if Messi or Ronaldo had scored goals like Bruno scored last night, they would be shown on highlights around the world. They were both world class goals how lucky have we been to witness this goal scoring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityGirl Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 I signed up half way through the season and Bruno is the only guy l know by name. Probably because he scores every game! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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