raw10 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Just had a quick read over the rules put out by the FFA, could not find anything to do with the marquee rule of being unable to release and sign a new marquee.Thank you Sir! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rass Posted October 27, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Just had a quick read over the rules put out by the FFA, could not find anything to do with the marquee rule of being unable to release and sign a new marquee.I found it, see below:Rule 69.ci/ If Sydney wish to have as many marquee players and/or injury replacements in one season, then that's fine with us.ii/ Given that Melbourne Victory (lead by Muscat) will no doubt whinge that it is the whole world against them, we'll give in to them and let them have the same.iii/ All other teams can get fukd, you have to stick with the one.iv/ Just in case no one understood point i/ above, Sydney can do whatever they want. They have our blessing. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcityheart Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Instant replacement for Mooy when he's picked up in the January transfer window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) I found it, see below:Rule 69.ci/ If Sydney wish to have as many marquee players and/or injury replacements in one season, then that's fine with us.ii/ Given that Melbourne Victory (lead by Muscat) will no doubt whinge that it is the whole world against them, we'll give in to them and let them have the same.iii/ All other teams can get fukd, you have to stick with the one.iv/ Just in case no one understood point i/ above, Sydney can do whatever they want. They have our blessing.Which set of rules are you looking at? Can you post the URL please?Yes, very good!! Edited October 27, 2015 by jw1739 Sucked in again! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 That's my understanding on marquees although I am struggling to find it in black-and-white. The only way I can see Brattan coming to Melbourne would be on a 14-match guest stint. Whether or not FFA would see Brattan as having the necessary qualities to be allowed as a guest is debatable - although they did allow Francis Jeffers as a guest at Newcastle in 2010 and he was hardly a household name (except possibly for the wrong reasons).It's annoying to find a copy of the CBA online, because there's a lot of dead-links. Here's a link to the CBA that was extended and relevant up until last season: http://hosting2.sportingpulse.com/www.pfa.net.au/fileadmin/user_upload/_temp_/Variation_of_A-League_Collective_Bargaining_Agreement_2008-9_-_2012-3.pdfHere's the part on international marquees:(Page 5) It's a little open to interpretation, but the sense I always got was that it meant one international marquee a season, even if the original international marquee left before the season was finished. Consider this, no A-League club has ever replaced a marquee, international or Australian, mid-season. I've never even heard of reports of A-League clubs contemplating replacing their marquees mid-season. So that all suggests that A-League clubs can't replace their marquees mid-season. Anyway the FFA replaced the salary cap rules for this season (see here: http://www.a-league.com.au/article/ffa-makes-changes-to-hyundai-a-league-salary-cap-regulations/1wotlw01hpsbh1ig6tb3cjgxzg), so who knows what the details are now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Murf, I found the following this afternoon, but it's dated 2009. But the article makes it pretty clear that at that time the rule was one marquee per season.http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/perth-glory-hopeful-of-special-concession-should-mile-sterjovski-leave/story-e6frf4gl-1225794812062Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Murf, I found the following this afternoon, but it's dated 2009. But the article makes it pretty clear that at that time the rule was one marquee per season.http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/perth-glory-hopeful-of-special-concession-should-mile-sterjovski-leave/story-e6frf4gl-1225794812062 Brilliant, there it is in writing. It's surprisingly difficult to find references for the A-League's many rules and regulations. Anyway the no replacing marquees rule is a firm reminder that Melbourne City has to have its marquees sorted out going into the season. And the club shouldn't settle for risky marquees, like a certain Slovenian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Last season with the wanderers and their marquee that Brazilian? Can't remember the exact details but he left at one point and I'm pretty sure he wasn't replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Last season with the wanderers and their marquee that Brazilian? Can't remember the exact details but he left at one point and I'm pretty sure he wasn't replaced. Hmmm, that's right, Saba. (#10)...but wasn't he replaced by that Japanese #10 who scored that dumb free kick against us at home last season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Hmmm, that's right, Saba. (#10)...but wasn't he replaced by that Japanese #10 who scored that dumb free kick against us at home last season. He took up Saba's visa spot, but he was in the salary cap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I think we would have a better chance than ever before of being able to change marque as TV ratings are down and  there is no real recognised marque in the A-League. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I think we would have a better chance than ever before of being able to change marque as TV ratings are down and  there is no real recognised marque in the A-League.Agree, there's no chance of a 'Koren for Brattan' swap. Koren for a big name that would be a true marquee and get people watching in the stadium and on TV is much more likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruckoo Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 People don't actually want Brattan as marquee do they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 People don't actually want Brattan as marquee do they?I wouldn't  think so, but as a # 6 , I'd take him in  heartbeat  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruckoo Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Sure as a squad player but we need a marquee to draw people in, he certainly doesn't fit that bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 The problem is that if we are talking marquee then you are more likely to be talking about a striker - say Van Persie. But that could mean that we would need to re-arrange the team a bit. Then again that would be the coaches job, not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Can you change your playing roster during the season?It says one marquee on the playing roster during the season, so if Koren leaves, and the club can update its roster, then we would no longer have a marquee on the roster, which would leave room for a new marquee on the roster, within the rules??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Can you change your playing roster during the season?It says one marquee on the playing roster during the season, so if Koren leaves, and the club can update its roster, then we would no longer have a marquee on the roster, which would leave room for a new marquee on the roster, within the rules???That's what I was wondering but jw1879 it looks like 'no'. Perth were looking at changing marques and had to ask the rules to be bent to accommodate this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 In that article Perth were still seeking to clarify the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjake1234 Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 I still feel that the "spirit of the rule" is that you can only have one marquee on your playing list at any time. OK so why can you not have one on for a period of time and then change that one marquee for another.Come on FFA, that would not give the club an advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted October 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) In that article Perth were still seeking to clarify the rule.Well, maybe."7.6 During an A-League Season, a Club may have one Marquee Player on its Player Roster."Apart from the unnecessary comma, that to me is absolutely clear. It means exactly what it says. One marquee player. There are no subsidiary clauses or caveats. For example, if "at any one time" was meant, then it would be stated in the rule. IMO Perth were not really seeking clarification. They were seeking to actually contravene the rule by proposing that in some circumstances (i.e. theirs) a Club could have more than one Marquee Player in a season.There are so many rules and regulations on A-League clubs, some pretty well hidden from view, I'm actually surprised that there are not more breaches. It wouldn't surprise me if FFA could not produce a complete and up-to-date list. IMO it's time for a complete overhaul and simplification.In any case I don't think Luke Brattan qualifies as a "marquee" although I'd venture to suggest that over the years the pass-marks on "calibre, standing and reputation" have been lowered considerably.  Edited October 28, 2015 by jw1739 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 As I understand Cahill's contract finishes on january, would anyone take Cahill as a marquee, could be a straight swap for Koren (when he gets booted out). I know that if Mooy gets called for Socceroo duty we might be left one short in midfield but I think Cahill would be a great addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 As I understand Cahill's contract finishes on january, would anyone take Cahill as a marquee, could be a straight swap for Koren (when he gets booted out). I know that if Mooy gets called for Socceroo duty we might be left one short in midfield but I think Cahill would be a great addition. Pros - big name to attract people, still can run, experiencedCons - His age, he no longer is as fast, his disdain for the A-League (which can be overcome)Yeah, I would have him on a one year contract plus incentives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommac Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Cahil pretty unlikely I would think- given his consistent comments about (not) coming back to play in the A-League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted October 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Cahill isn't a big name at all. On a global measuring stick he's a nobody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Cahill isn't a big name at all. On a global measuring stick he's a nobody.True but in Australia he is a big name and that for now is what may be needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 You couldnt get a bigger marquee than cahill in aus unless you were taking a top level star ie Messi, Ronaldo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Cahil pretty unlikely I would think- given his consistent comments about (not) coming back to play in the A-League. He'd be most likely to return as marquee for a southern Sydney based team, this is where he is from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 You couldnt get a bigger marquee than cahill in aus unless you were taking a top level star ie Messi, RonaldoThat's really my point. He's a nobody. In the six Heart/City seasons that I've been watching A-League I would say only two marquees can be shown to have had an impact on the bums-on-seats - del Piero and Villa. And the only household Australian name in the category has been Kewell, and I doubt that we could measure a significant impact in spectator numbers with HK.IMO most sports/entertainment etc. people grossly over-estimate the significance of the "names" in their particular industry or field of endeavour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 That's really my point. He's a nobody. In the six Heart/City seasons that I've been watching A-League I would say only two marquees can be shown to have had an impact on the bums-on-seats - del Piero and Villa. And the only household Australian name in the category has been Kewell, and I doubt that we could measure a significant impact in spectator numbers with HK.IMO most sports/entertainment etc. people grossly over-estimate the significance of the "names" in their particular industry or field of endeavour.Teams like victory have also demonstrated you can build a winning team that gets bums on seats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 There are many pathways to success and they aren't exclusive of each other, in fact a genuine marquee AND repeated success on the field are probably the best formula for us. Someone like Villa really came 2 seasons too early for us as we didn't have to team to leverage his appeal. I think that only being successful in a market with an already dominant team will only take us so far but not far enough if we want to dominate here in Melbourne as well as the League. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Teams like victory have also demonstrated you can build a winning team that gets bums on seats Absolutely. There is no quick fix to gaining interest and sustaining it. Ultimately if you are boring and don't win people wont care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015  Absolutely. There is no quick fix to gaining interest and sustaining it. Ultimately if you are boring and don't win people wont careThe circus comes and goes as Scott Munn famously uttered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 There are many pathways to success and they aren't exclusive of each other, in fact a genuine marquee AND repeated success on the field are probably the best formula for us. Someone like Villa really came 2 seasons too early for us as we didn't have to team to leverage his appeal. I think that only being successful in a market with an already dominant team will only take us so far but not far enough if we want to dominate here in Melbourne as well as the League.And IMO if you have the genuine marquee or guest player you have to get your marketing right. And we did precisely the opposite with Villa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015  Ultimately if you are boring and don't win people wont careThe Heart business plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 That's really my point. He's a nobody. In the six Heart/City seasons that I've been watching A-League I would say only two marquees can be shown to have had an impact on the bums-on-seats - del Piero and Villa. And the only household Australian name in the category has been Kewell, and I doubt that we could measure a significant impact in spectator numbers with HK.IMO most sports/entertainment etc. people grossly over-estimate the significance of the "names" in their particular industry or field of endeavour.HK first went to MV and there was an upsurge in ticket sales. Then he and MV had that disappointing season and returned to the UK for family reasons. He then came a second time to Heart just when the team acquired JA. So for me it was more like using your enemies used condom... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) Cahill would undeniably produce huge media attention and get bums on seats. There's not many better known players to the average Australian than Tim Cahill. I wouldn't want him though. As big of a legend as he's been for Australian football if we're being honest he's a bit of a massive flog. Edited October 29, 2015 by Jimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Cahill would undeniably produce huge media attention and get bums on seats. There's not many better known players to the average Australian than Tim Cahill. I wouldn't want him though. As big of a legend as he's been for Australian football if we're being honest he's a bit of a massive flog. ...and in any case it seems he's just re-signed with his current club.http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-29/tim-cahill-re-signs-with-shanghai-shenhua/6897078?section=sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Melbourne Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Next Samaras Thursday 10am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Fuck thats getting old 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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