Nate Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 can anyone confirm that Dragan Stojkovic is being lined up as a potential mid season replacement? Mid season replacement for JVS or for Williams? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 It seems that after last week's draw the team just assumed the foetal position and are shaking uncontrollably. This is where a manager comes in and shakes them out of their stupor. I feel that some players already know that they are not good enough for the A-League - Ramsay, Wieleart and Kirsnorbo - and they play accordingly. It is up to JVS now to get them started again, and to come up with a better defensive plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 http://www.a-league.com.au/article/fear-to-blame-for-citys-struggles-jvs/16hc0xplqnt41ikrpzdiimgsd http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/heart-coach-says-team-playing-with-fear-20111016-1lrk5.html Two basically 'identical' quotes from JVS, 3 years apart. The players are "playing with fear." Just too angry and disappointed to make a coherent comment but when JVS says this he is deflecting blame to the players. Well playing with fear gets down to organisation and tactics that you practice during the the week so that players know exactly what they need to execute - without fear. It ain't happening now and it hasn't happened well enough under previous stints with JVS or JA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 JvS quoted as follows: "As for the time scale of City's potential improvement, Van 't Schip knows the clock is ticking as far as supporters and his employers are concerned."We cannot wait forever," he said."In the end it has to change quickly. Or it will have consequences for the club. We have to step up."We have to stick to what we know and believe because that's the only way. Otherwise, if we start changing and doing things I don't believe in, then I don't think I'm in the right position. I'll continue doing what I think we should do and I believe in." He's clearly aware of the pressures on him, but stubborn to the last is not prepared to change his approach. Last night there were a number of supporters behind the City bench giving him plenty. I think it's just a matter of how long CFG is prepared to allow Melbourne City to taint its world-wide brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 The defending is the same as it was under season 1 under him. Mistakes, too slow to get the ball forward, endless back passing all the way to the keeper. All the same pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 The defending is the same as it was under season 1 under him. Mistakes, too slow to get the ball forward, endless back passing all the way to the keeper. All the same pattern. The only changes to our defending over 4.3 seasons have been: replacing 2 competent full backs with Ramsay and Hoffman, and signing 2 inadequate goalkeepers, and Aloisi's instructions to play aimless long balls to a midget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 The defending is the same as it was under season 1 under him. Mistakes, too slow to get the ball forward, endless back passing all the way to the keeper. All the same pattern. The only changes to our defending over 4.3 seasons have been: replacing 2 competent full backs with Ramsay and Hoffman, and signing 2 inadequate goalkeepers, and Aloisi's instructions to play aimless long balls to a midget You could say the same about JVS when we had Terra lead the line. Actually he did that with Babalj as well, even though Babalj couldn't head a ball to save his life even if he was tall. I have no doubt Aloisi learned off JVS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 We could be looking at Mulvey. Miller would be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 The defending is the same as it was under season 1 under him. Mistakes, too slow to get the ball forward, endless back passing all the way to the keeper. All the same pattern. The only changes to our defending over 4.3 seasons have been: replacing 2 competent full backs with Ramsay and Hoffman, and signing 2 inadequate goalkeepers, and Aloisi's instructions to play aimless long balls to a midget You could say the same about JVS when we had Terra lead the line. Actually he did that with Babalj as well, even though Babalj couldn't head a ball to save his life even if he was tall. I have no doubt Aloisi learned off JVS. We've never had the players to unlock a defence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeCee Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 The defending is the same as it was under season 1 under him. Mistakes, too slow to get the ball forward, endless back passing all the way to the keeper. All the same pattern. The only changes to our defending over 4.3 seasons have been: replacing 2 competent full backs with Ramsay and Hoffman, and signing 2 inadequate goalkeepers, and Aloisi's instructions to play aimless long balls to a midget Yeah, but even with those two fullbacks and a decent keeper, those mistakes were still made. In the first few seasons, those mistakes were almost a heart trademark. Now does that point to the players being at fault, or JvS having no idea when it comes to sorting out a defence? Same goes for our attack, we seem to, at the best of times, manage to slowly carry the ball towards the box, but when a cross or short run is needed, there is nothing on offer. Instead we carry the ball as close to the goal line as possible, and then offer up a shit, slowly lobbed chip cross into stagnant players, which either results in easy defending, or an attempt on goal with no power. That isn't natural attacking play, you can even look at a junior team play, and see that they will whip the ball in early to a striker who has the brains to lose his marker whilst running into the box. I honestly believe that the squad doesn't want to play the way they are, and instead have been told to hold it up in such positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Its both JVS and the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samardzija Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Time for a new direction, jvs should be shown the door, we've been trying to play pretty football for too long with no end product. Recruitment has been horrible since season one, I've always said targeting mid 30s visa players and mid 30s players in general is not the answer, it's been proven in the a league that it doesn't work unless the player is head and shoulders better than everyone else eg. Zwanzvijk (or however you spell it). Successfull clubs have targeted players in there mid to late 20s as visa players, think broich, berisha, Flores, poljak, la Rocca, Henrique, we've been recruiting 30 year olds and crying when the get injured and it's been happening since season 1, it's happened with sibon, aloisi, skoko, kewell, Fred and now koren. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 The defending is the same as it was under season 1 under him. Mistakes, too slow to get the ball forward, endless back passing all the way to the keeper. All the same pattern. The only changes to our defending over 4.3 seasons have been: replacing 2 competent full backs with Ramsay and Hoffman, and signing 2 inadequate goalkeepers, andAloisi's instructions to play aimless long balls to a midget You could say the same about JVS when we had Terra lead the line. Actually he did that with Babalj as well, even though Babalj couldn't head a ball to save his life even if he was tall. I have no doubt Aloisi learned off JVS. We've never had the players to unlock a defenceThis. Some teams make it look so easy as they interchange passes, play a killer pass or have player with good feet to beat his defender to get in behind. We just never do that unless a team plays a really high line i.e Brisbane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntiScum Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 time to get to back to basics I say with a 4-4-2 formation rather then his standard negative 4-2-3-1 bullshit. If you had a talented squad that is a formation that will work but with the current squad I don't think so. Some of players look lost on the pitch and there is only one person you can blame for that and that's the coach!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunheart Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Clean out the dead wood (other thread) n give JVS a better squad to work with. If results don't improve, get someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Mulvey is free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) Mulvey is free no thanks, if it was heart then it would probly be yes but we can't be settling for average Edited November 23, 2014 by Thrillhouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFCROB24 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Mulvey gone. So they have gone the quick action way about it. What do we do!? Do we wait the season out? Or give it a few weeks? If results continue going this way it be interesting to see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Mulvey is free no thanks, if it was heart then it would probly be yes but we can't be settling for average Average? He has won an a-league title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Heartspur Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Mulvey is free no thanks, if it was heart then it would probly be yes but we can't be settling for average Average? He has won an a-league title Too good for our club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Mulvey is free no thanks, if it was heart then it would probly be yes but we can't be settling for average Average? He has won an a-league title di matteo won a ucl... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Mulvey is freeno thanks, if it was heart then it would probly be yes but we can't be settling for average Average? He has won an a-league title di matteo won a ucl... And Di matteo isn't a bad manager 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Media reports that Mulvey has been sacked by Roar. More pressure on JVS and CFG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Mulvey is freeno thanks, if it was heart then it would probly be yes but we can't be settling for average Average? He has won an a-league title di matteo won a ucl... And Di matteo isn't a bad manager He's completely turned Shalke's season around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Sack him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I am willing to make a $500 wager with one of the "it's not the coach" crew, the exact details can be worked out with any party that wishes to take me on, but obviously it will involve the team's results improving once JVS is gone for me to win. Let me know if you want to put your money where your mouth is, and we'll see if we can work something out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Media reports that Mulvey has been sacked by Roar. More pressure on JVS and CFG Fox Sports is saying Mulvey will be officially told Sunday evening. They are saying Frans Thijssen will replace him until the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Wow, Mulvey gone! Maybe CFG can wait till the end of the season and hope JVS can pull something out of the mess and then offer him a contract extension FFS! Brisbane serious about winning silverware and they have the ACL to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) nah, the Brisbane owners, and the vast majority of club owners all over the world who put millions of their $$$ into the team they own are all wrong in sacking coaches after a few months of below expectation performance, and the "it's not the coach" crew on this forum is correct. Edited November 23, 2014 by Tesla 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) I wish Zamparini bought Melbourne Heart instead of CFG. We would have sacked, rehired, and sacked JVS again and now be looking for our 5th manager of the season, while being top of the league with Mooy set for a $50m move to PSG in January.Zamparini in. Edited November 23, 2014 by Tesla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) After reassessing yet again (For the third time) I CW until when JVS has got his ideal squad in 2044. Edited November 23, 2014 by cadete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 After reassessing yet again (For the third time) I CW until when JVS has got his ideal squad in 2044. But we will still need time to allow the team to gel. 7-8 years should do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 The following image illustrates how the position of manager should be treated if you want to be successful: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Wait until he gets Koren back and you can judge him properly then. A lot of these 'sack the coach' comments are unfair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Wait until he gets Koren back and you can judge him properly then. A lot of these 'sack the coach' comments are unfair Oh yeah thats right. I forgot about the one player savior theory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Wait until he gets Koren back and you can judge him properly then. A lot of these 'sack the coach' comments are unfair Oh yeah thats right. I forgot about the one player savior theory. 2 players if you count Germano. Both of those players would walk into Perth glory's starting 11. We're basically missing the heart of the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulhollanddrive Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 We'll win 3 in a row in March or April and all will be forgiven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Wait until he gets Koren back and you can judge him properly then. A lot of these 'sack the coach' comments are unfair Oh yeah thats right. I forgot about the one player savior theory. 2 players if you count Germano. Both of those players would walk into Perth glory's starting 11. We're basically missing the heart of the team Injuries are part of football, having your first 11 all available at the same time is rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Wait until he gets Koren back and you can judge him properly then. A lot of these 'sack the coach' comments are unfair Oh yeah thats right. I forgot about the one player savior theory. 2 players if you count Germano. Both of those players would walk into Perth glory's starting 11. We're basically missing the heart of the team First Hird and now JVS... If he not allowed to be judged unless Germano is in the team then we really will be waiting until 2044 as the bloke only plays four games a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 The following image illustrates how the position of manager should be treated if you want to be successful: Actually the following list shows how the position of manager should be treated if you want to be successful. Alex Ferguson Scotland 6 November 1986 19 May 2013 1,500 895 338 267 2,769 1,365 59.67 13 Premier League titles 5 FA Cups 4 League Cups 10 Community Shields (inc. 1 shared)[nb 6] 2 UEFA Champions Leagues 1 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup 1 UEFA Super Cup 1 Intercontinental Cup 1 FIFA Club World Cup [28] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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