New manager

[jw1739]

Depends what our philosophy is in regards to spending money and how we spend it.

 

Their NY franchise has a local manager without much experience.   Obviously diffferent to buying first choice everything at Man City.

 

I'd like us to start with a bang, we can spend money on 2 players and coach without any inhibition.   Put that with a new training ground as the priorities.

By my reading Jason Kreis has coached 239 matches with Real Salt Lake in the MLS. And the Director of Football is Claudio Reyna, formerly of Manchester City and USA international.

[mulhollanddrive]

That is more games than I thought, but he was untried and coached for 5 years at Real Salt Lake, before going to NYC.

 

The equivilent to that would be someone similar to Merrick, or Van Egmond.  IE, don't get your hopes up.

[Shahanga]

The new coach will need to be someone who has shown that they aspire to the philosophies of Manchester City, are willing to learn and will accept that Man City will wish to provide "guidance" and "training" towards the style of football that Heart play.

This rules out someone like Bielsa who if the vibe I get from bela is correct, is a "my way or the highway" man. It means that people like GVE, JVS, Pappas, Edwards probably will be looked at seriously but long ball specialists like JA and English managers will be ignored.

[Tommykins]

Yeah, Kreis produced some of the most consistant and good to watch football while at RSL, certainly is no mug.

[NewConvert]

The new coach will need to be someone who has shown that they aspire to the philosophies of Manchester City, are willing to learn and will accept that Man City will wish to provide "guidance" and "training" towards the style of football that Heart play.

This rules out someone like Bielsa who if the vibe I get from bela is correct, is a "my way or the highway" man. It means that people like GVE, JVS, Pappas, Edwards probably will be looked at seriously but long ball specialists like JA and English managers will be ignored.

 

When Bielsa took over the Chilean side the general feeling across south american was that the team lacked discipline and some of the players were prima donnas. So yes, my way or the highway worked a treat there giving the Chilean side the best WC since 1962. At Athletic Bilbao I am not sure what went wrong but it appears that he demanded more than what the club was able/willing to provide (not necessarily remuneration). But you may be right.

[belaguttman]

 

The new coach will need to be someone who has shown that they aspire to the philosophies of Manchester City, are willing to learn and will accept that Man City will wish to provide "guidance" and "training" towards the style of football that Heart play.

This rules out someone like Bielsa who if the vibe I get from bela is correct, is a "my way or the highway" man. It means that people like GVE, JVS, Pappas, Edwards probably will be looked at seriously but long ball specialists like JA and English managers will be ignored.

 

When Bielsa took over the Chilean side the general feeling across south american was that the team lacked discipline and some of the players were prima donnas. So yes, my way or the highway worked a treat there giving the Chilean side the best WC since 1962. At Athletic Bilbao I am not sure what went wrong but it appears that he demanded more than what the club was able/willing to provide (not necessarily remuneration). But you may be right.

 

Bielsa demanded proper training facilities from the Althletic board. Yes, it is his way or the highway, but his way produces beautiful attractive winning football in young teams.

[kun]

I reckon it will be a young, aspiring coach who plays attractive football without being a destructive personality.

A few possibilities:

 

Uwe Rosler, 45, Wigan Athletic

Manchester City legend as a player and doing very well with Wigan now having previously had successful spells at Brentford and Viking. A young, attack minded former striker could be a possible with his City connections and would be good for City to have him on the payroll as many see him as a possible future City manager.

 

Patrick Vieira, 37, Manchester City EDS

Also a former city player touted to be City manager in the future, Paddy V enjoys playing a forward thinking but possesion based passing game. He is currently in control of the City reserves and is doing a fantastic job (with results like City 6-0 Bayern). Possibly an unlikely one as we may want to keep him in his current capacity.

 

Juande Ramos, 59, Dnipro

Former Tottenham, Real Madrid and Sevilla manager. Plays a Spanish possesion football, with a dynamic twist. He didn't have a great spell with Spurs but still managed to come out with a League Cup and a job at the second biggest club in the world (after City of course). He may not be as young as his counterparts but he is a good manager who is currently managing a solid Dnipro side and would represent a massive coup for Melbourne and Aussie football.

 

Miroslav Djukic, 47, Unemployed

Former manager of Valencia, Valladolid and Serbia, Djukic is probably the least attacking manager of this bunch, but is capable of beautiful football at times (his Valladolid side where very good at times) and is currently out of a job which is an advantage in terms of availability. He had a poor spell at Valencia for his short stint but would still IMO be a very decent manager for this side.

 

Sergi Barjuan, 42, Recreativo de Huelva

Currently managing a free scoring Recreativo in Spain's Segunda Division, Barjuan is a former Barcelona coach and player, and was appointed youth coach by Txiki and Ferran when Pep Guardiola took the helm. Having previously worked with our Spanish board guys, I reckon this one may be on the cards.

Harry Kewell, 35, Player

Already has a connection with Melbourne Heart, and is a big name across the world having played for Liverpool. With him now in his mid-thirties it is time for him to possibly think of retiring but for a potential coach he is young and if he became manager it would be his first coaching role so could be quite easy for people higher up to take more control. Only question is whether he would wan to become a manager.

[sheepdog]

I reckon it will be a young, aspiring coach who plays attractive football without being a destructive personality.

A few possibilities:

Uwe Rosler, 45, Wigan Athletic

Manchester City legend as a player and doing very well with Wigan now having previously had successful spells at Brentford and Viking. A young, attack minded former striker could be a possible with his City connections and would be good for City to have him on the payroll as many see him as a possible future City manager.

Patrick Vieira, 37, Manchester City EDS

Also a former city player touted to be City manager in the future, Paddy V enjoys playing a forward thinking but possesion based passing game. He is currently in control of the City reserves and is doing a fantastic job (with results like City 6-0 Bayern). Possibly an unlikely one as we may want to keep him in his current capacity.

Juande Ramos, 59, Dnipro

Former Tottenham, Real Madrid and Sevilla manager. Plays a Spanish possesion football, with a dynamic twist. He didn't have a great spell with Spurs but still managed to come out with a League Cup and a job at the second biggest club in the world (after City of course). He may not be as young as his counterparts but he is a good manager who is currently managing a solid Dnipro side and would represent a massive coup for Melbourne and Aussie football.

Miroslav Djukic, 47, Unemployed

Former manager of Valencia, Valladolid and Serbia, Djukic is probably the least attacking manager of this bunch, but is capable of beautiful football at times (his Valladolid side where very good at times) and is currently out of a job which is an advantage in terms of availability. He had a poor spell at Valencia for his short stint but would still IMO be a very decent manager for this side.

Sergi Barjuan, 42, Recreativo de Huelva

Currently managing a free scoring Recreativo in Spain's Segunda Division, Barjuan is a former Barcelona coach and player, and was appointed youth coach by Txiki and Ferran when Pep Guardiola took the helm. Having previously worked with our Spanish board guys, I reckon this one may be on the cards.

Harry Kewell, 35, Player

Already has a connection with Melbourne Heart, and is a big name across the world having played for Liverpool. With him now in his mid-thirties it is time for him to possibly think of retiring but for a potential coach he is young and if he became manager it would be his first coaching role so could be quite easy for people higher up to take more control. Only question is whether he would wan to become a manager.

No to kewell. Our last ex player manager made us equal worst team in Australian football history

[Defibrillator]

I know if we get flogged today this post will be derided, but I think the JVS argument for next year is a strong one. The only impediment is if he wants the job - money is no issue here.

We all know he has a youth development focus and did that very well in his first two years with us. He has a possession based football style and he doesn't have the cattle in the front third to show an attacking City flair at the moment but this could be rectified. His results in his second year, given the financial and resources constraints he had, were pretty good and he certainly has a decent media presence. After the recent Perth loss he was all about "we need to fix things" intimating he and the players had to improve. No "bad luck" or players not following instructions. Players will play for a coach like that. I think tactically he is pretty good, prepared to change things and prepared to chase games.

The one other thing he has that others don't is institutional memory. He was there when it all began and understands our (brief admittedly!) history and the philosophy on which this club was founded and what we crave. This could all be lost if MC come in with a big broom.

JVS with a truckload of resources behind him would be astute. I'm all for due diligence and casting the net widely, but they'd have to be obviously better than what we've got now.

[belaguttman]

All juicy possibilities. I also wouldn't discount JVS, at very least for the youth team job, but I think that will proper resources and a good player list he's shown that he can be tactically flexible and manage a team well.

[Rellum]

All juicy possibilities. I also wouldn't discount JVS, at very least for the youth team job, but I think that will proper resources and a good player list he's shown that he can be tactically flexible and manage a team well.

We might be able to now afford Bielsa. Pappas might be back to assistant.

[Huzie]

Mancini?

[hakz7]

Mancini?

Not sure if srs... But if you are, he's enjoying his time in Turkey and the UCL.

[Thrillhouse]

Mancini?

struggled to win the epl with all the money in the world and couldn't make it out of the group stage with city, might as well get jim magilton

[NewConvert]

 

Mancini?

struggled to win the epl with all the money in the world and couldn't make it out of the group stage with city, might as well get jim magilton

 

Harsh!!!

[Dylan]

Our new overlords probably have a manager already sorted and it's just a matter of time

[jw1739]

Our new overlords probably have a manager already sorted and it's just a matter of time

I think that's much more likely. They've already said they will take time to listen and learn - and then the decisions will be taken very quickly. They will have already drawn up a shortlist for all the key positions in Heart, and it will be a matter of taking the one on the shortlist who best fits us at the end of this season based on what they've learned.

[MUTD/MLBHRT/ESSNDON]

Our Manchester City owners can make a massive statement for next season by signing Zidan, he came out and said his ready to coach next season. (I no I might be dreaming, but Fuk man we just got bought by the second richest Roal family in the world)

[thedukeofhearts]

They probably have some guy we have never heard of lined up. One thing is for sure, if they are still learning they aren't going to give them a pizza boy and say go for it !! They will get the support they need.

[Libero]

I'm happy with keeping JVS on. People are too quick to write off managers just because they had a bad run at a club or two. JVS seems like he's grown a lot from his experiences and would do a good job at the helm.

 

Right or wrong, that's a view of many Serie A clubs, where you will see a manager sacked only to be hired again within the next couple of years, with the owner mentioning that they're 'better for the experiences' etc...

 

And its why AVB is being looked at by a few Serie A clubs - compared to his reputation in England which is terrible. 

 

Im torn on this one. I want to obviously see JVS do well with us, but cant help think some new ideas would make a big difference. 

[xXJawsaXx]

I am personally happy for JvS to stay at the club, but maybe not as head coach. I could see JvS coaching the youth team if he wanted to.

[Murfy1]

Jason Kreis, the New York City FC coach, is perhaps illustrative of what sort of coach Man City would like Heart to have.

 

He's an American who played over 300 matches in the MLS over 15 years, then he retired and went on to coach Real Salt Lake (RSL). He coached RSL from 2007 to 2013, and when his contract ran out he agreed to become the NYCFC head coach.

 

AT RSL he obtained a winning percentage of 42.68%. For comparison, at Heart JA had 20.51% and JVS has 29.03%, Lavicka at Sydney won 39.33% and Postecoglou won 50%.

 

Kreis coached RSL for 239 matches, just more than twice as many A-League matches as Postecoglou has coached. And he won 102 matches, got 60 draws and 77 losses.

 

The Guardian (UK) has a good summary of him:

 

Jason Kreis, coach of Real Salt Lake, finished third [in the 2013 MLS Coach of the Year Award]. Before the season started, Kreis broke up a successful salary-capped team (a team he’d pushed to that glass ceiling by keeping them together as their repeated achievements earned pay rises), brought in some youngsters, as he always does, slotted them into his beloved midfield diamond, or into slots once occupied by all-stars such as Jamison Olave, and proceeded to do what he always does: take RSL to a 50-point-plus season.[...] 

 

And yet Kreis finished third – perhaps because the novelty of his achievements at RSL has worn off for an MLS audience weaned on novelty and now grown blasé about his consistent parity-defying achievements. In a perverse way, it’s a backhanded compliment to what is after all a young coach (he’ll turn 41 at the end of the month) that Kreis, at RSL, gets treated as part of the MLS furniture. Arguably only Bruce Arena lives with the same sort of routinely high expectations that seem to become invisible the minute they’re exceeded.

 

Leaving aside the impact on RSL for a moment, the fact that the City hierarchy had singled out Kreis as a target earned them instant credibility in the eyes of those following their progress, and suggested that at least somewhere in that project there were those who understood that the unique qualities of this league demand unique qualities in its best coaches. And Kreis is one of its best coaches. If he goes to City they’ve pulled off a coup.

 

The midfield diamond, playing possession soccer, became his template, and he has stuck to it, with refinements, ever since – betting, thus far correctly, that a stable, well-drilled squad built round systemic continuity will always average out better in MLS than one built round a single player, no matter how talented.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/dec/03/jason-kreis-real-salt-lake-mls-cup-final

 

 

More text than I like to cut and paste, but it's a big deal who our next coach will be, and we're fortunate enough to have a direct comparison in Jason Kreis who provides important suggestions regarding who Man City would like to have coach Heart. IMO, with Kreis in mind, Man City would like: a coach experienced in the A-League, who plays possession football, who can bring in young players or others needed to rebuild squads (which inevitably is required regularly in a salary capped league) and possibly a young coach who is also Australian. I can't help but think that Ange Postecoglou would have been Man City's ideal candidate for Heart, if he were available.

 

I also reckon JVS is in with a good shout, if he can win several of his remaining matches, as he seems to tick many of those boxes.

 

Will Man City approach Heart differently to New York City? Perhaps, as we have less coaches. Maybe they'll bring in a foreign coach, but the NYCFC example seems to suggest they'd prefer someone who knows about where they are working. IMO, given how few talented and proven Australian coaches there are, a skilled and proven foreign coach might be the best way to go, and Man City might conclude that given the low winning percentages of available and experienced A-League coaches.

Edited January 27, 2014 by Murfy1

[tigerou812]

Would like to see JVS with Papas. 

[moops]

Stubbins and Papas in the mix please.

Both Victorians, both have been pretty succesfull locally, both have A League experience, both have done well overseas in difficult circumstsnces. Stubbins also has ACL experience.

[Melburnian]

The on my local coach like Kriese is Ang who plays the way these guys like to play.

With him coaching the national side I think we will go an International coach.

[Tommykins]

Might be an idea to poach an American coach, given they already play in a similarly salary capped league. While I wouldn't mind a Stubbins or Papas running the youth team, it seems unlikely that they'd be given the reigns now.

Edited January 27, 2014 by Tommykins

[Falastur]

There's always a chance that, if they can't find a local Australian manager who fits the bill (and they probably will do their utmost to secure one, at the end of the day) that Patrick Vieira could be given his first shot at senior management with the Heart, after having been managing our EDS (u21s, essentially our reserve team) this last half a season. At first his results were decidedly shaky, but his team are now on an 8-game winning streak, including beating United's u21s only a couple of hours ago.

[tigerou812]

Was thinking about Vieira the other day, could be interesting.

[thedukeofhearts]

Was thinking about Vieira the other day, could be interesting.

sexually ???

[tigerou812]

 

Was thinking about Vieira the other day, could be interesting.

sexually ???

 

 

[Shahanga]

Might be an idea to poach an American 

 

Please.  

 

If we can't get an Aussie that fits they have to be to have a pedigree and to me that probably means European, but possibly South American (though South Americans may have unrealistic expectations about our players technical ability).

 

Any seppos will straight away look up the form of Rapid Vienna to understand the competition better.

[fiz.heart]

I say let JVS be technical director or part of the backroom. I just dont think he is a championship-winning coach. But keeping him at the club will be important for us when all the changes start to happen in the off season with all the new faces coming in. Would be good to keep someone at the club that was there from the start.

 

Also I've said this before.. Papas is too good for an assistant role and I doubt he would accept the position if it was afford to him. IMO his the best local candidate for the head coaching gig.

[Tommykins]

 

Might be an idea to poach an American 

 

Please.  

 

If we can't get an Aussie that fits they have to be to have a pedigree and to me that probably means European, but possibly South American (though South Americans may have unrealistic expectations about our players technical ability).

 

Any seppos will straight away look up the form of Rapid Vienna to understand the competition better.

 

 

They're used to a salary caped league where there can be a huge discrepancy between your best player and your worst. Just because a coach isn't from South America doesn't mean they can't appreciate technical ability.

[Jimmy]

Pick the best possible manager available please. I don't give a fuck where he was born.

[tigerou812]

It would be nice to have new faces with a new game plan. In with new and out with the old.

[jw1739]

I say let JVS be technical director or part of the backroom. I just dont think he is a championship-winning coach. But keeping him at the club will be important for us when all the changes start to happen in the off season with all the new faces coming in. Would be good to keep someone at the club that was there from the start.

 

Also I've said this before.. Papas is too good for an assistant role and I doubt he would accept the position if it was afford to him. IMO his the best local candidate for the head coaching gig.

Agreed. Great guy, great tactical nous, good with young players (better than with older ones it seems). But hasn't shown to date quite the hard edge necessary to win silverware.

[japiedog]

Also posted this in the JVS thread

 

Who ever coaches the team knows that they have to have a quality spine of the team

Goalkeeper - Centre Back - Center Midfield ( either 6 or 10) - Striker

 

Who out of our squad fits into that quality spine( that will be here next season) ??

 

Just throwing it our there

Edited February 2, 2014 by japiedog

[InMyHeart]

ante milicic Should be coaching us right now... but he has now gone to the socceroos so there goes the poach from that may have happened WSW....

 

Id look at getting a manager in who is experienced and dont care what country, but also appointing rudan as an assistant... 

 

NYC got the best young manager, but he was proven in the MLS

Keeping JVS wouldnt be too bad an idea although i wouldnt  mind a clean slate going into a new season

[LR9]

Spanish legend Fernando Hierro wants to coach in the A-League and bring ace striker Raul Gonzales with him as a marquee player.

The World Game can reveal that the former Real Madrid defender, who played 89 times for Spain, has asked his representatives in Australia to find him a club because he wants to explore a new horizon.

"Hierro's people in Spain have authorised me to find him a club in Australia," Melbourne-based Elite Management Group director Ismail Ozsoy said.

"He is very keen to come out here.

"He has all the coaching licences and a big part of what he wants to bring to Australia is a marquee player.

"It is very well known that he is a personal friend of former Madrid and Spain team-mate Raul, who is 36.

"Raul's contract at Al-Sadd in Qatar ends in October so both Hierro and the player would be available for the next A-League.

"He will also be having two assistant coaches, one of them being Juan Carlos Martinez who was part of the national team set-up."

Ozsoy said that Hierro, 45, was keen to establish himself as a top coach and he thought Australia's A-League was a perfect breeding ground.

"Everyone must start somewhere. Hierro might not want to start in Spain's lower divisions and prefer Australia, which is a very beautiful country," Ozsoy said.

"This is not a fanciful idea: why would Manchester City buy Melbourne Heart?"

With uncertainty surrounding the future of a number of A-League coaches, including Sydney FC's Frank Farina, Melbourne Heart's John van't Schip and Newcastle Jets caretaker Clayton Zane, Ozsoy said he has had informal discussions with some A-League clubs.

"Money will not be an issue and I can tell you that the whole world would know about this if Hierro came to Australia," Ozsoy said.

"If the media here thinks that Manchester City buying into the A-League is big, this will be much bigger.

"To put things into perspective, Fernando forms part of a FIFA think-tank and the Spanish Football Federation and we are not talking about his playing career, where he played 439 games for Madrid."

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1181386/Hierro-wants-to-coach-in-A-League

[perthheart]

Manchester City buying an A-league club wouldn't be as big as Hierro managing in Australia? Good one.