mulhollanddrive Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 It would be a knee jerk reaction. Our systems should be in place in pre-season and you have basically 6 months to get everything right before the season starts. We seem to be a club that make it up as we go, hoping to win, but never laying the ground work for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhiteSoldier Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Nothing is wrong with our starting xi/bench players. It's just the coach... All our players would thrive in other teams in the league, because a good coach makes and creates players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 I think we can field a solid team, and I agree that a better coach would probably have this squad finals bound (even if we only scrape in). But at the same time I think we have deadwood (like Dmac, Germano and Hoffman) and badly inconsistent players (could just about list the whole squad, to be honest). Consequently, I don't think we have great depth, particularly in some positions like the striker and number 10 positions. I think a good coach would have done much better with our number 10 this season, playing Kalmar when fit and playing Mauk much often, but truth be told an aging Kewell, Kalmar (too injury prone & inconsistent) and young Mauk isn't great depth for arguably the most important position in the 4-2-3-1 formation. I would be thrilled if we secured Ibini. I also think Griffiths could be pretty good as well. But that we require us to cut loose a player like Dmac, and our club seems to never release seriously under-performing or injured players. Heart is too much like a hospital or a retirement village, in that we unreasonably retain injured and aging players, rather than a competitive football club, that actually demands its players play, and play well, to retain their places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libero Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Nothing is wrong with our starting xi/bench players. It's just the coach... All our players would thrive in other teams in the league, because a good coach makes and creates players. not really... if the players cant execute simple 1v1 chances, is it still JA's fault? if Wieleart dives in and causes a penalty, is that JA's fault? all im saying is that while Aloisi's time is up, if you think that it is only him that is the problem then you have it wrong tbh Mifsud and Ramsey take a couple of their chances and we would have won the game vs Adelaide.... and Brisbane away, not to mention others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melburnian Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Dmac, Germano, Hoffman, Mitchinson and Kewell you could release now and it wouldn't harm us at all. 5 out of a small squad. Without blinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhiteSoldier Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 I agree our finishing has been rather poor. but like I said, a new coach, new gameplan, would increase confidence in our players and we'd most likely score them. And yes wielart has made a couple of errors but I still rate him very highly. all in all #Aloisiout 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluka Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Dmac, Germano, Hoffman, Mitchinson and Kewell you could release now and it wouldn't harm us at all. 5 out of a small squad. Without blinking. Exactly, what is it, four games between the five of them this season? Dmac, Germano and Kewell are too injury prone and Hoffman and Mitchinson just aren't good enough for a-league level. Every single player of all the better teams in the comp can play at this level, there's zero help having dead weight like Hoffman and Mitchinson. Hoffman will move to India or something, and Mitchinson can go back to Perth Glory youth. Dmac and Kewell can retire with Germano playing somewhere in Asia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melburnian Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Dmac, Germano, Hoffman, Mitchinson and Kewell you could release now and it wouldn't harm us at all. 5 out of a small squad. Without blinking. Exactly, what is it, four games between the five of them this season? Dmac, Germano and Kewell are too injury prone and Hoffman and Mitchinson just aren't good enough for a-league level. Every single player of all the better teams in the comp can play at this level, there's zero help having dead weight like Hoffman and Mitchinson. Hoffman will move to India or something, and Mitchinson can go back to Perth Glory youth. Dmac and Kewell can retire with Germano playing somewhere in Asia. Would allow us to hunt five difference makers to our squad. Not dead wood. If done right, 5 new players who could make an impact. An attacking midfielder, a striker or two, a right back and a another attacking wide player. Would enhance our squad. We also have the ability to bring in youth. Retre, Garrucio and Mauk should be regulars. Play the underperforming types in the reserves to gain touch and form. We have a lot of deadwood on our list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 (edited) I still agree with the comment I made before the start of the season, that all up we have a pretty good squad that should be able to make the finals. But apart from maybe David Williams, all of our players are playing below their potential (and many well below their potential). Aloisi has been terrible at managing the players in our squad, and I have no doubt that many of our players could do very well in the A-League. But I also think it's true that if 3,4 or 5 changes were made to our squad, like Melburnian recommends, then our squad would be much more complete and much better. Ideally Heart should make changes around now, when their are players available like Ibini and Griffiths, and not towards the end of the season when things are really bad, and only players of the ilk of Jamie Coyne and Marcel Meeuwis are available. Edited December 5, 2013 by Murfy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 (edited) Dmac, Germano, Hoffman, Mitchinson and Kewell you could release now and it wouldn't harm us at all. 5 out of a small squad. Without blinking. I would add Kalmar and Dugandzic to that list. Neither has done a thing for us this season. These seven from a squad that just a few weeks ago we were touting as having plenty of depth. I cannot name a single player in our squad who so far this season has performed above or according to expectations, except perhaps Migliorini. I may be a bit harsh but, honestly, no-one springs to mind. Edited December 5, 2013 by jw1739 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Even migliorini hasn't been great, had he not had two amazing strikes he would be average like the rest of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Ryan Griffiths is available apparently... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melburnian Posted December 5, 2013 Report Share Posted December 5, 2013 Dmac, Germano, Hoffman, Mitchinson and Kewell you could release now and it wouldn't harm us at all. 5 out of a small squad. Without blinking. I would add Kalmar and Dugandzic to that list. Neither has done a thing for us this season. These seven from a squad that just a few weeks ago we were touting as having plenty of depth. I cannot name a single player in our squad who so far this season has performed above or according to expectations, except perhaps Migliorini. I may be a bit harsh but, honestly, no-one springs to mind. Yeah agree but I wouldn't get rid of Mate and Kalmar. But they both should be playing with the youth team. They are both seriously out of touch and form and shouldn't be near the first team at the moment. It's called player management. Aloisi lacks this as well as other things.I still agree with the comment I made before the start of the season, that all up we have a pretty good squad that should be able to make the finals. But apart from maybe David Williams, all of our players are playing below their potential (and many well below their potential). Aloisi has been terrible at managing the players in our squad, and I have no doubt that many of our players could do very well in the A-League. But I also think it's true that if 3,4 or 5 changes were made to our squad, like Melburnian recommends, then our squad would be much more complete and much better. Ideally Heart should make changes around now, when their are players available like Ibini and Griffiths, and not towards the end of the season when things are really bad, and only players of the ilk of Jamie Coyne and Marcel Meeuwis are available. Look we DO have a squad that should be challenging for finals but it's obvious that's not gonna happen due to a variety of reasons like the coaching, facilities, fitness training etc. Making the finals shouldn't be the aim. It should be the floor. The lowest point of what is acceptable. As JW states there are several more who are questionable to remain on the list. Things need to change. From top to bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Melburnian, why the Mitchinson hate? Could use him next season once Aziz goes back to Turkey. Aloisi won't be around so Ramsay won't be converted to a left-back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 What ever happened to Zac Walker? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 What ever happened to Zac Walker? I'd like to know this too tbh, the kid was an absolute jet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) What ever happened to Zac Walker? I'd like to know this too tbh, the kid was an absolute jet http://au.prime7.yahoo.com/v1/news/a/-/local/19796096/zacs-back-on-the-border-video/ Edited December 6, 2013 by Murfy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 What ever happened to Zac Walker? I'd like to know this too tbh, the kid was an absolute jet http://au.prime7.yahoo.com/v1/news/a/-/local/19796096/zacs-back-on-the-border-video/ Ahahahaha, I live here and I didn't even know he was coming back. Aw man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melburnian Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Melburnian, why the Mitchinson hate? Could use him next season once Aziz goes back to Turkey. Aloisi won't be around so Ramsay won't be converted to a left-back! No hate he's not bad but I don't think he is good enough. Happy to be proved wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Melburnian, why the Mitchinson hate? Could use him next season once Aziz goes back to Turkey. Aloisi won't be around so Ramsay won't be converted to a left-back! No hate he's not bad but I don't think he is good enough. Happy to be proved wrong. Mel, I also think you're a little harsh on Mitchinson. I actually think he's quite a good player. Not so adventurous as Behich, but better defensively. Aziz isn't the player he was; his commitment is always out of the top drawer, but he's been pretty slack marking this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyheart Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Melburnian, why the Mitchinson hate? Could use him next season once Aziz goes back to Turkey. Aloisi won't be around so Ramsay won't be converted to a left-back! Based on his season thus far surely Aziz's club won't want him back. Would love to see him turn his form around and prove me wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) People forget that Mitchinson is actually naturally a CB who has been playing at LB for us. Edit: Sorry BZA Edited December 7, 2013 by Jimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresonlyonebzamora Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 People forget that Mitchinson is actually naturally a CB who has been playing at LB for us. fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Ryan Griffiths is available apparently... Why did the Bulldogs get rid of him? But seriously, Ricardo Quaresma is a free agent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalHeart Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Sack Misfud and bring in Ibini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/shinji-onos-resurgence-sparks-interest-in-aleague-for-japan-star-naohiro-takahara-20131211-2z6g6.html#ixzz2nEhdCy9O Naohiro Takahara anyone? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Looks like Hersi could be up for grabs ... He wants half a million per season on a 2 year contract http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/western-sydney-baulk-at-youssouf-hersis-500000-demands-to-stay-with-premiers/story-fni2fopz-1226781928176 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 ^^ If that's the case then I'd pass on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 It begs the question, who is the best player in the league outside of the marquee players and what is that player worth per season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) Why pay a guy half a million a season to wear a Heart shirt and chase aimless long balls... Anyway, we don't need another 31-y-o. Edited December 13, 2013 by jw1739 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) He is past it Edited December 13, 2013 by Dylan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Looks like Shinji Ono may be open to a new A-League club too I'm surprised there's no individual thread for him yet! hehe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiz.heart Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Looks like Shinji Ono may be open to a new A-League club too I'm surprised there's no individual thread for him yet! hehe WSW are in the same situation that we had with Fred last season hence why they are reluctant to re-sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Looks like Shinji Ono may be open to a new A-League club too I'm surprised there's no individual thread for him yet! hehe WSW are in the same situation that we had with Fred last season hence why they are reluctant to re-sign him. An injury prone 35yo marquee - just our cup of tea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Finkler. might be a little frustrated being benched all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LIBBA] Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Finkler. might be a little frustrated being benched all the time Was thinking the same thing when wathcing them last Friday. He is wasted on there bench big time, but i have a feeling they'll work out a way to fit him in theyre starting 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Yes. Another MV player is desperately what we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LIBBA] Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Yes. Another MV player is desperately what we need. I wouldnt care if he's Victory or not. He's quality. Simple as that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victards Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Not sure if you people are serious or not... Finkler? Fuck me give me some of the shit you're on pleaase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Yes. Another MV player is desperately what we need. I wouldnt care if he's Victory or not. He's quality. Simple as that so you have to wonder why he is on the bench so much? perhaps a bit like Gol Gol the skill is there but not the stamina? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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