NewConvert Posted May 2 Report Share Posted May 2 9 hours ago, MHFC-FAN said: As if after they belted us last season in the grand final? Nah go fk em! Two things: 1. It told us where the club was at. 2. It was a harbinger of what was to come this season! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cremorne Posted May 2 Report Share Posted May 2 One extra win could have taken us to 42 points and 3rd place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted May 2 Report Share Posted May 2 4 minutes ago, cremorne said: One extra win could have taken us to 42 points and 3rd place. And the way people were crowing on this year, you would've thought we were second last smdh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted May 2 Report Share Posted May 2 3 hours ago, kingofhearts said: And the way people were crowing on this year, you would've thought we were second last smdh Our worst season in 10 years…..sorry we can’t make it sound any better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Cooper Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 On 2/5/2024 at 5:56 PM, cremorne said: One extra win could have taken us to 42 points and 3rd place. The final (insipid) Derby loss to the Tards gave them third and us sixth. No complaints but it was thin margins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted May 4 Report Share Posted May 4 What a disgraceful call against Macarthur. Shocking biased refereeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted May 4 Report Share Posted May 4 19 minutes ago, n i k o said: What a disgraceful call against Macarthur. Shocking biased refereeing. Well not if it's important that Sydney FC progresses, that is the APL objective right? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted May 5 Report Share Posted May 5 Mariners win the AFC cup. They are the juggernaut of the league now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 1 hour ago, citypool said: Mariners win the AFC cup. They are the juggernaut of the league now The A-League teams should be winning that tournament every season to be fair. That second tier of the AFC is weak whereas the ACL is much stronger competition... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 20 minutes ago, MHFC-FAN said: The A-League teams should be winning that tournament every season to be fair. That second tier of the AFC is weak whereas the ACL is much stronger competition... Lol so can we celebrate something good happened in Australia football or is that to much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 1 minute ago, citypool said: Lol so can we celebrate something good happened in Australia football or is that to much? It's a good achievement for them, however I am not one to support our rivals achievements... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 45 minutes ago, MHFC-FAN said: It's a good achievement for them, however I am not one to support our rivals achievements... I care about Australia doing well more then I care about the clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 6 minutes ago, citypool said: I care about Australia doing well more then I care about the clubs That's fine and you are entitled to your opinion as am I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 13 minutes ago, MHFC-FAN said: That's fine and you are entitled to your opinion as am I. No you're not. You're both equally wrong 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 11 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: No you're not. You're both equally wrong 😒 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 29 minutes ago, MHFC-FAN said: That's fine and you are entitled to your opinion as am I. Yes I didn't critise your opinion I respect your passion for the club 🔥 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 14 minutes ago, citypool said: Yes I didn't critise your opinion I respect your passion for the club 🔥 Let's just hope the club has enough passion to not appoint Vidmar...🙄 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 2 hours ago, MHFC-FAN said: Let's just hope the club has enough passion to not appoint Vidmar...🙄 PK, for his considerable faults, had passion; Aurelio is beige. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 36 minutes ago, belaguttman said: PK, for his considerable faults, had passion; Aurelio is beige. PK seemed a hell of a lot more competent then Vidmar has ever looked...we may have had just a "plan A" but we rarely lost games we were winning! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 The club has just emailed me inviting me to comment on performance. I'm going to give it all I've got... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 31 minutes ago, jw1739 said: The club has just emailed me inviting me to comment on performance. I'm going to give it all I've got... Careful, their email inbox may have a 5MB limit😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Cooper Posted May 6 Report Share Posted May 6 4 hours ago, jw1739 said: The club has just emailed me inviting me to comment on performance. I'm going to give it all I've got... That was a brave email. I hope they’re ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 The Australian Professional Leagues (APL) board is set to confirm a huge cut to the central distribution fund, derived from TV rights and commercial revenue, from $2 million this season to just $1 million in 2024-25. The 50 per cent reduction in payment to clubs will cover just over one third of the A-League Men’s salary cap of $2.6 million. CODE Sports understands the APL received as little as $5 million in cash from its TV rights deal this season, announced just three years ago as a $30 million per year deal, after production costs were factored in and penalties around benchmark subscription rates not met. The APL has two years remaining on its five-year deal with Ten/Paramount+. The dramatic reduction in payment to A-League clubs, many of whom are already cash strapped, lays bare the APL’s financial plight. By comparison, most AFL clubs and all NRL clubs receive central payments totalling more than 100 per cent of their respective salary caps. The $140 million private equity injection from Silver Lake - announced less than three years ago - has been spent, although the US firm maintains a position on the APL board and will be involved in the future direction of finances in today’s meeting. The bleak outlook comes at a galling time for the domestic competition after a high quality weekend of on-field action where Sydney FC won the A-League Women’s grand final, Melbourne Victory won an epic elimination final against rivals Melbourne City on penalties and Central Coast Mariners became just the second Australian team to win an Asian club continental title by lifting the AFC Cup. The news also arrives at a time when Newcastle United is without an owner, the license for Perth Glory was sold for just $1 and the anticipated introduction of a Canberra men’s team remains in doubt. How clubs navigate the off-season and set budgets for 2024-25 is uncertain, with sales of young Australian prospects, like the reported $3 million Adelaide United received from Bayern Munich for Nestory Irankunda, set to be the saving grace for clubs equipped to develop talent, a topic covered in today’s episode of Saving Football: Elite Development. Until now, the central distribution fund underpinned all A-League clubs’ bottom lines, with a former club executive telling CODE Sports it has “always been the No.1 revenue stream.” The A-League Men’s salary cap is set at $2.6 million, although at least another $3 million is needed per club, per season to cover costs such as coaching, support staff and logistics. Another $1 million annually is required to field an A-League Women’s team. Next season’s distribution figure of around $1 million is nearly a 70 per cent reduction from less than a decade ago, when each club received more than $3 million per season when the A-Leagues were under Football Australia control. The figure was $2.4 million last July but cut to $2 million in August, just weeks after clubs had already set budgets for the current season. The APL’s financial state caps a torrid three years after it secured separation from Football Australia, following a bitter six-year political battle that saw the Lowy family walk away from the game in 2018, just 13 years removed from the creation of the A-League under chairman Frank Lowy. The clubs agitated for change, arguing they had no control over their own destiny. The APL promised a new dawn when the breakaway was confirmed in December 2020 and a year later, with the $140 million from Silver Lake confirmed, then-CEO Danny Townsend told CODE Sports: “You’ll blow through that money quickly if you’re not careful. It’s about spending it wisely and doing it in a structured way like any other business.” A series of strategic mis-steps, most notably the reported $50 million spent on the now defunct digital arm KeepUp, has sent the APL into a spiral financially. Townsend left the APL last October, replaced by Nick Garcia, while inaugural chairman Paul Lederer stood down and was replaced by former Labor federal minister Stephen Conroy. Garcia and Conroy, tasked with cleaning up the mess, will deliver the harsh news to clubs today. Under Conroy’s leadership, along with Football Australia’s new chairman Anter Isaac, the once-fractious relationship between the APL and FA is improving; a crucial development given the A-Leagues are the major pipelines for developing future Socceroos and Matildas. Football Australia CEO James Johnson said the governing body is committed to helping the APL through its current troubles. “We are in very positive dialogue with the APL,” Johnson told CODE Sports earlier this month. “We are here to help. Might have been frosty a few years ago. Not now.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 9 minutes ago, citypool said: The Australian Professional Leagues (APL) board is set to confirm a huge cut to the central distribution fund, derived from TV rights and commercial revenue, from $2 million this season to just $1 million in 2024-25. The 50 per cent reduction in payment to clubs will cover just over one third of the A-League Men’s salary cap of $2.6 million. CODE Sports understands the APL received as little as $5 million in cash from its TV rights deal this season, announced just three years ago as a $30 million per year deal, after production costs were factored in and penalties around benchmark subscription rates not met. The APL has two years remaining on its five-year deal with Ten/Paramount+. The dramatic reduction in payment to A-League clubs, many of whom are already cash strapped, lays bare the APL’s financial plight. By comparison, most AFL clubs and all NRL clubs receive central payments totalling more than 100 per cent of their respective salary caps. The $140 million private equity injection from Silver Lake - announced less than three years ago - has been spent, although the US firm maintains a position on the APL board and will be involved in the future direction of finances in today’s meeting. The bleak outlook comes at a galling time for the domestic competition after a high quality weekend of on-field action where Sydney FC won the A-League Women’s grand final, Melbourne Victory won an epic elimination final against rivals Melbourne City on penalties and Central Coast Mariners became just the second Australian team to win an Asian club continental title by lifting the AFC Cup. The news also arrives at a time when Newcastle United is without an owner, the license for Perth Glory was sold for just $1 and the anticipated introduction of a Canberra men’s team remains in doubt. How clubs navigate the off-season and set budgets for 2024-25 is uncertain, with sales of young Australian prospects, like the reported $3 million Adelaide United received from Bayern Munich for Nestory Irankunda, set to be the saving grace for clubs equipped to develop talent, a topic covered in today’s episode of Saving Football: Elite Development. Until now, the central distribution fund underpinned all A-League clubs’ bottom lines, with a former club executive telling CODE Sports it has “always been the No.1 revenue stream.” The A-League Men’s salary cap is set at $2.6 million, although at least another $3 million is needed per club, per season to cover costs such as coaching, support staff and logistics. Another $1 million annually is required to field an A-League Women’s team. Next season’s distribution figure of around $1 million is nearly a 70 per cent reduction from less than a decade ago, when each club received more than $3 million per season when the A-Leagues were under Football Australia control. The figure was $2.4 million last July but cut to $2 million in August, just weeks after clubs had already set budgets for the current season. The APL’s financial state caps a torrid three years after it secured separation from Football Australia, following a bitter six-year political battle that saw the Lowy family walk away from the game in 2018, just 13 years removed from the creation of the A-League under chairman Frank Lowy. The clubs agitated for change, arguing they had no control over their own destiny. The APL promised a new dawn when the breakaway was confirmed in December 2020 and a year later, with the $140 million from Silver Lake confirmed, then-CEO Danny Townsend told CODE Sports: “You’ll blow through that money quickly if you’re not careful. It’s about spending it wisely and doing it in a structured way like any other business.” A series of strategic mis-steps, most notably the reported $50 million spent on the now defunct digital arm KeepUp, has sent the APL into a spiral financially. Townsend left the APL last October, replaced by Nick Garcia, while inaugural chairman Paul Lederer stood down and was replaced by former Labor federal minister Stephen Conroy. Garcia and Conroy, tasked with cleaning up the mess, will deliver the harsh news to clubs today. Under Conroy’s leadership, along with Football Australia’s new chairman Anter Isaac, the once-fractious relationship between the APL and FA is improving; a crucial development given the A-Leagues are the major pipelines for developing future Socceroos and Matildas. Football Australia CEO James Johnson said the governing body is committed to helping the APL through its current troubles. “We are in very positive dialogue with the APL,” Johnson told CODE Sports earlier this month. “We are here to help. Might have been frosty a few years ago. Not now.” Interesting that the APL is penalized by Paramount when their own broadcasting product is not up to modern day standards. You could think we could use the upcoming tough times to our advantage just like through the Covid times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 36 minutes ago, Mr MO said: Interesting that the APL is penalized by Paramount when their own broadcasting product is not up to modern day standards. You could think we could use the upcoming tough times to our advantage just like through the Covid times. Paramount is by far the worst streaming platform available and the coverage for the A-League is woeful! They are dreaming if they think people want to sign up for Paramount if it wasn't for watching the A-League... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 52 minutes ago, Mr MO said: Interesting that the APL is penalized by Paramount when their own broadcasting product is not up to modern day standards. You could think we could use the upcoming tough times to our advantage just like through the Covid times. The pandemic affected everyone so no-one held the bargaining chip. Signing up with Paramount has been just another mis-step by APL. I have come to the point where I suspect no-one at APL knows anything about what they think they are trying to do and it will just continue to flounder, and possibly take some of the current clubs with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Hack Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 23 minutes ago, jw1739 said: The pandemic affected everyone so no-one held the bargaining chip. Signing up with Paramount has been just another mis-step by APL. I have come to the point where I suspect no-one at APL knows anything about what they think they are trying to do and it will just continue to flounder, and possibly take some of the current clubs with it. I think what MHFC is saying is that with all the other clubs cash strapped due to reduction in streaming fees, they will have to manage their squads wages more efficiemeaning they may not be able to keep all of them and or make new signings or take advantage of good Visas whereas since we're backed through the bank of CFG it won't affect us as much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 25 minutes ago, jw1739 said: The pandemic affected everyone so no-one held the bargaining chip. Signing up with Paramount has been just another mis-step by APL. I have come to the point where I suspect no-one at APL knows anything about what they think they are trying to do and it will just continue to flounder, and possibly take some of the current clubs with it. It would be fair to say the "break away" from the FFA has been nothing but a failure...the league was better before the APL took over! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 6 minutes ago, MHFC-FAN said: It would be fair to say the "break away" from the FFA has been nothing but a failure...the league was better before the APL took over! It wss going down back then anyways. But I believe Townsend really fucked us with the keepup app, Silverlake, Paramount and the grand final debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHFC-FAN Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 24 minutes ago, citypool said: It wss going down back then anyways. But I believe Townsend really fucked us with the keepup app, Silverlake, Paramount and the grand final debacle. Yeah Townsend really dogged us and wasted a lot of that money that could have been much better spent! Surely the APL could have even set up a sort of academy like the AIS used to have for footballers instead of blowing 50 mill on a crop website... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 Townsend spent money like we were the EPL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr MO Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, Le Hack said: I think what MHFC is saying is that with all the other clubs cash strapped due to reduction in streaming fees, they will have to manage their squads wages more efficiemeaning they may not be able to keep all of them and or make new signings or take advantage of good Visas whereas since we're backed through the bank of CFG it won't affect us as much This is correct, and people easily forgot that this was an important pillar of our succes. No magical recruitment and signings by Petrillo, no ground breaking coaching by PK - we just kept a good squad together because we could afford to do so. Nabbout and Atkinson actually signed with Perth at one stage and for various Covid reason including financials we managed to keep and or sign them. We actually let Atkinson go….. Edited May 7 by Mr MO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moops Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 If money to the clubs has gone from $3.5M to $1M, I wonder if they have reduced the salary cap floor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 Well all the supporters who claimed that it was FA holding the A-League back and that the clubs would be better at running the competition better grab extra helpings of humble pie. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 3 hours ago, NewConvert said: Well all the supporters who claimed that it was FA holding the A-League back and that the clubs would be better at running the competition better grab extra helpings of humble pie. I don't get comments like this because they can both be stupid at the same time. Johnson is doing a great job though at the fa shame he didn't get a chance to run the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 6 hours ago, citypool said: I don't get comments like this because they can both be stupid at the same time. Johnson is doing a great job though at the fa shame he didn't get a chance to run the league A $140M injection of capital and very little to show for it. That is a result of the APL. So those who claimed that the APL would be better need to consider that. Note that there were people who were sceptical about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 7 Report Share Posted May 7 10 hours ago, citypool said: I don't get comments like this because they can both be stupid at the same time. Johnson is doing a great job though at the fa shame he didn't get a chance to run the league How do we assess whether an administrator is "doing a great job?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 2 hours ago, jw1739 said: How do we assess whether an administrator is "doing a great job?" If something good happens. I don't think we would of got the women's world cup without Johnson and he has done other things like land sponsors, attract friendlies and his looking to improve the socceroos and Matildas I think his done well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 3 hours ago, citypool said: If something good happens. I don't think we would of got the women's world cup without Johnson and he has done other things like land sponsors, attract friendlies and his looking to improve the socceroos and Matildas I think his done well Johnson was part of Football Australia, not the APL. We are talking about the APL at the moment. The Age reported that FA is cashed up and could easily sustain the A-League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citypool Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 2 minutes ago, NewConvert said: Johnson was part of Football Australia, not the APL. We are talking about the APL at the moment. The Age reported that FA is cashed up and could easily sustain the A-League. Bloke above was talking about the FA though so I was replying to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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