Dylan Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, MCY HERO said: Just heard from numerous sources is England that Hull city forward Robert Snodgrass is fed up with the teams results and is looking for a move away from england. My mate who is close to the club said he is on his way. This forum is full of shit. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 25 minutes ago, Dylan said: This forum is full of shit. Has anyone heard any news on Iniesta? Surely he has been fast tracked seeing he is even more injury prone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 hour ago, playmaker said: Has anyone heard any news on Iniesta? Surely he has been fast tracked seeing he is even more injury prone. Heard Greek Airlines lost his luggage 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Beside Ehys Williams would spend the rest of the season out for a Germano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, MCY HERO said: Just heard from numerous sources is England that Hull city forward Robert Snodgrass is fed up with the teams results and is looking for a move away from england. My mate who is close to the club said he is on his way. If would be more inclined to believe you if you had started your own thread and posted this. What is your friends ethnicity? Edited January 23, 2017 by kingofhearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 David beckham landing tomorrow 7.00am 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Samaras 10am Thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka1 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Ronaldo to sign at 2:25pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCY HERO Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, kingofhearts said: If would be more inclined to believe you if you had started your own thread and posted this. What is your friends ethnicity? He's is a Greek construction worker in Caufield. Edited January 23, 2017 by MCY HERO Changed mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) So we have a CB gone, two players injured, a Visa player not getting a game, an interim coach who said we don't need to do anything over the transfer period, and an owner that won't communicate any information on anything apart from the sterile propaganda which is scripted that treats members like dumb idiots. *****AWESOME***** Edited January 23, 2017 by playmaker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, playmaker said: So we have a CB gone, two players injured, a Visa player not getting a game, an interim coach who said we don't need to do anything over the transfer period, and an owner that won't communicate any information on anything apart from the sterile propaganda which is scripted that treats members like dumb idiots. *****AWESOME***** So we've let a young player go to Korea to get an opportunity as he is down the pecking order here, two players have done season ending ACL's (completely bad luck) who are likely not best 11 anyway, a Visa player who has slipped behind a cheaper local who has arguably surpassed him, an interim coach who thinks we have a competent squad, like many of us do, and even if he wanted to do some transfer business there isn't much wriggle room to sign anyone of first team quality anyway, and an owner that keeps transfer business in-house, like every good club should. Stop being a whinger. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 20 minutes ago, bt50 said: So we've let a young player go to Korea to get an opportunity as he is down the pecking order here, two players have done season ending ACL's (completely bad luck) who are likely not best 11 anyway, a Visa player who has slipped behind a cheaper local who has arguably surpassed him, an interim coach who thinks we have a competent squad, like many of us do, and even if he wanted to do some transfer business there isn't much wriggle room to sign anyone of first team quality anyway, and an owner that keeps transfer business in-house, like every good club should. Stop being a whinger. Aside from the bolded part I agree fully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Embee said: Aside from the bolded part I agree fully Please note underlined part of bolded part: 21 minutes ago, bt50 said: So we've let a young player go to Korea to get an opportunity as he is down the pecking order here, two players have done season ending ACL's (completely bad luck) who are likely not best 11 anyway, a Visa player who has slipped behind a cheaper local who has arguably surpassed him, an interim coach who thinks we have a competent squad, like many of us do, and even if he wanted to do some transfer business there isn't much wriggle room to sign anyone of first team quality anyway, and an owner that keeps transfer business in-house, like every good club should. Stop being a whinger. I'm not in the play Bouzanis over Sorensen camp, but its certainly arguable he has surpassed him given that both JvS and Iron Mike have continued to select him over Tommy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, bt50 said: Please note underlined part of bolded part: I'm not in the play Bouzanis over Sorensen camp, but its certainly arguable he has surpassed him given that both JvS and Iron Mike have continued to select him over Tommy. Not even arguable IMO, Sorensen is clearly the better keeper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, Embee said: Not even arguable IMO, Sorensen is clearly the better keeper It's definitely arguable, because there is a case for Dean playing over Sorensen, even if it is a flimsy one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, bt50 said: It's definitely arguable, because there is a case for Dean playing over Sorensen, even if it is a flimsy one. It's arguable that you're a cunt and I hate you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Just now, Embee said: It's arguable that you're a cunt and I hate you Arguably, but like Dean being a better keeper your case is flimsy. At least on the hate part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 It's arguable because...well, you're arguing about it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 36 minutes ago, bt50 said: So we've let a young player go to Korea to get an opportunity as he is down the pecking order here, two players have done season ending ACL's (completely bad luck) who are likely not best 11 anyway, a Visa player who has slipped behind a cheaper local who has arguably surpassed him, an interim coach who thinks we have a competent squad, like many of us do, and even if he wanted to do some transfer business there isn't much wriggle room to sign anyone of first team quality anyway, and an owner that keeps transfer business in-house, like every good club should. Stop being a whinger. So there is an opportunity to bolster the CB position depth, another to get injury replacements and to negotiate with our unused Visa to open a spot for a Visa the we can use, all these are missed opportunities. Also to employ a seasoned coach that is able to take this so called amazing list to the next level. And this transfer business in-house crap is just plain stupid. I am sure members realise the club can't talk about details, but just a release like, ' We would like to inform members about our objectives over this transfer period. We have a wasted visa spot, one less CB and 2 kids that are injured, so we have the common sense to do something, unlike our useless game plan that have stuffed us over because our coaches are inflexible and useless and keep doing the same thing over and over and over again and expect a different outcome, which BTW is the definition of insanity, we are actually going to do something. We know the importance of communicating to our members because without you, we wouldn't exist. Something like this would be so refreshing don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Just one thing you've forgotten Playmaker. Sheikh Mansour, the ultimate owner of all this, doesn't need anyone whatsoever. Just in the time it's taken me to type this he's made more money than you will in your whole life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, playmaker said: So there is an opportunity to bolster the CB position depth, another to get injury replacements and to negotiate with our unused Visa to open a spot for a Visa the we can use, all these are missed opportunities. Also to employ a seasoned coach that is able to take this so called amazing list to the next level. And this transfer business in-house crap is just plain stupid. I am sure members realise the club can't talk about details, but just a release like, ' We would like to inform members about our objectives over this transfer period. We have a wasted visa spot, one less CB and 2 kids that are injured, so we have the common sense to do something, unlike our useless game plan that have stuffed us over because our coaches are inflexible and useless and keep doing the same thing over and over and over again and expect a different outcome, which BTW is the definition of insanity, we are actually going to do something. We know the importance of communicating to our members because without you, we wouldn't exist. Something like this would be so refreshing don't you think? In an ideal world it would be great to replace and bolster those positions, but we are in a salary capped competition. Any injury replacements for Kuzi or Gameiro would need to be a) Australian and b ) equal to or less than the wage of Kuzi or Gameiro. I'm not 100% sure on this, but i'd be reasonably confident in saying that you can't combine the salaries or use existing cap room to come up with that, it has to be directly correlated with the player you are replacing. ie if Kuzi is on 80k and Gameiro 100k, we can get two players up to each wage, but not one for 180k. On the plus side i guess is that half the season has elapsed so potentially we have effectively a double wage for a half season contract available. Again, not 100%, would have to check the specifics of the IR rule. Second, terminating Tommy and opening up a Visa spot seems logical i agree. But there's two issues with that, one being that Tommy has to want to go, and additionally is happy to forfeit his contract in order for it to fall outside the salary cap. Assuming he is on a 200k contract for example, 100k of which would already be paid to date, he would need to forfeit 100k for that to become available in the salary cap. I'm fairly confident you can't terminate the contract and be issued a new one as a coach without it falling into the salary cap mid-season as that would basically be a rort. of the cap for all intents and purposes. Potentially he could be terminated and jobless for 6 months, then resume employment next season as a coach but that takes a financial risk on Tommy's behalf. The second issue is that perhaps Tommy still wants to play to the seasons end. And if that's the case, we'd be stiffing him considering he moved his entire family to come here and play only to be pissed off mid-season and treated a bit shabbily. That can't be good for business when it comes to recruiting players here in the longer term. Recruiting in January is a pretty tricky business as anyone that is any good is already on contract, or if they've come from a decent enough level and fallen out of favour, then they probably won't fit inside the salary cap with their wage demands. To buy someone on contract you have to pay a transfer fee, and you generally have to take on the wages that the player is already on. If you take a free agent, you're really not going to get much for the restricted money we can offer compared to other leagues around the world if they are any good. And let's face it, Aus is on the other side of the planet and rightly or wrongly is considered a bit of a footballing backwater in Europe. It's not impossible, but its unlikely, especially when you are constrained to low-earning Aussies. Sure we could give a contract to an NPL kid, but whats the point if they dont get a game. Wait until we actually need someone to play before wasting money on someone thats not going to feature. Agree with a new coach, but I'd rather we take our time and get it right rather than rush in and fuck ourselves over for another season. And on the statement, no I don't think that would be refreshing and it would cause way more problems than it would solve. Ever heard of the phrase 'better to under-promise and over-deliver', it's a good one. Edited January 24, 2017 by bt50 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Injury replacements must be like-for-like. To my knowledge, the wages paid to the replacement player do not count in the salary cap, but they can't exceed those of the player being replaced. I agree with everything you say. The Sorensen case is interesting. I think many of us think he should be playing, but atm the club prefers Bouzanis for whatever reason. It looks like a waste of a visa place, but perhaps it isn't because it does mean that we have a top goalkeeper ready if Bouzanis has a shocker or gets injured. And by all accounts Tommy is a top "club man" with the squad. I've come to the conclusion that CFG just will not be panicked into sudden changes of direction. They believe that they know what they're doing, and we were always advised by Falastur et al. from Manchester that we would see development of the club by the "slow burn" rather than by dropping a bomb. And IMO that is exactly what has happened. Also it's notable that IIRC we've not had anyone yet who's left the club and then afterwards said how badly they were treated, and IMO CFG will avoid "shabby treatment" at all costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 27 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Injury replacements must be like-for-like. To my knowledge, the wages paid to the replacement player do not count in the salary cap, but they can't exceed those of the player being replaced. I agree with everything you say. The Sorensen case is interesting. I think many of us think he should be playing, but atm the club prefers Bouzanis for whatever reason. It looks like a waste of a visa place, but perhaps it isn't because it does mean that we have a top goalkeeper ready if Bouzanis has a shocker or gets injured. And by all accounts Tommy is a top "club man" with the squad. I've come to the conclusion that CFG just will not be panicked into sudden changes of direction. They believe that they know what they're doing, and we were always advised by Falastur et al. from Manchester that we would see development of the club by the "slow burn" rather than by dropping a bomb. And IMO that is exactly what has happened. Also it's notable that IIRC we've not had anyone yet who's left the club and then afterwards said how badly they were treated, and IMO CFG will avoid "shabby treatment" at all costs. I think I read somewhere the salary can exceed the injured players salary however the excess counts towards the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 With all our short comings since the FFA Cup final it seems it is more important to keep the status quo rather than be pro-active and give us the best opportunity get something out of the main season? This mindset doesn't make sense, especially when it is so clear what needs to be done. It's a shame really seeing the squad we have and with a few tweaks by a more experienced tactical coach and one more active quality Visa player we could give this season a good go, which in-turn will follow onto next season rather than having to start again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 5 hours ago, bt50 said: And on the statement, no I don't think that would be refreshing and it would cause way more problems than it would solve. Ever heard of the phrase 'better to under-promise and over-deliver', it's a good one. Beat me to it. Can't see the point of the club saying anything until they actually have something to say. Would make a rod the Club's own back otherwise. For Chapman to go, I'd hope they have something in mind. After all the likes of Williams and Paartaliu left mid last season before Fitzgerald and Caceres came in. That said, it wasn't like Koren was directly replaced after he left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Edmonds Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 I know we probably have no chance in this... but would be a huge signing if we pulled it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCY HERO Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, Andrew Edmonds said: I know we probably have no chance in this... but would be a huge signing if we pulled it off. If we could pull that off image Jakosen and sainsbury. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Watch us sign him and still find ways to lose games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 22 minutes ago, n i k o said: Watch us sign him and still find ways to lose games. We'll play him in midfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 28 minutes ago, n i k o said: Watch us sign him and still find ways to lose games. Would play 3 games then out for a Germano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, MCY HERO said: If we could pull that off image Jakosen and sainsbury. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Andrew Edmonds said: I know we probably have no chance in this... but would be a huge signing if we pulled it off. In regards to the "Caceras Rule", could Manchester (or Yokohama) buy him and loan him to us since its not from another HAL club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 39 minutes ago, haz said: In regards to the "Caceras Rule", could Manchester (or Yokohama) buy him and loan him to us since its not from another HAL club? Yes. Wage could be an issue tho as the Lampard Rule is still in play. Edited January 24, 2017 by bt50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 12 minutes ago, bt50 said: Yes. Wage could be an issue tho as the Lampard Rule is still in play. I'm sure Brattan would be on 60k after getting paid 250k in Manchester. No reason why Trent could get a "signing on fee" then his 6 month contact would be Chapmans wage and Gameiro's injury wage combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Andrew Edmonds said: I know we probably have no chance in this... but would be a huge signing if we pulled it off. They will keep sainsbury, as it helps them with Asian players for champions league I'm pretty sure I saw that they said that Edit - sorry I didn't realize they had a South Korean as well, 50-50 chance Edited January 24, 2017 by neio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neio Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 On 1/23/2017 at 6:37 PM, MCY HERO said: Just heard from numerous sources is England that Hull city forward Robert Snodgrass is fed up with the teams results and is looking for a move away from england. My mate who is close to the club said he is on his way. And it's confirmed your full of shit, hull have accepted a bid from burnley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JrodMac92 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Milos Degenek just joined Japanese side Yokohama F. Marinos, who of course are part of the CFG (albeit they only hold a 20% stake in the team, Nissan the other 80%) seems only a matter of time before he signs for us Edited January 26, 2017 by jw1739 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexxxandro Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Probably not worthy of a new thread. If everyone posted a similar thread to this every time they felt like it the board would soon look the way... it looks. Edited January 26, 2017 by Alexxxandro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 47 minutes ago, Alexxxandro said: Probably not worthy of a new thread. If everyone posted a similar thread to this every time they felt like it the board would soon look the way... it looks. Threads merged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted January 26, 2017 Report Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, JrodMac92 said: Has just joined Japanese side Yokohama F. Marinos, who of course are part of the CFG (albeit they only hold a 20% stake in the team, Nissan the other 80%) seems only a matter of time before he signs for us For anyone who saw this after the thread merged, he's talking about Milos Degenek the 22 year old Socceroos defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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