NewConvert Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 2 hours ago, cadete said: TTIM: Leftists who complain about how the Australian Government should be providing better services... Education, Welfare, Health Systems etc and when you ask them what the Government should be doing instead and then they also provide the dumbest most irrelevant examples from Scandinavia. Countries with far smaller populations than us, with much more central populations over usually far smaller landmasses... and the dumbest thing is that when you look at where Australia Services in these fields sit on a worldscale: It's basically only these places perfect to run such Socially Minded Governments that we sit behind. Demanding improved services is something that happens all the time in the private sector as well as the government sector. Nothing wrong with demanding improved quality. If you meant wider range of services then I understand what you are saying. However if you look at the population distribution of Australia, we are more like an archipelago rather than an even distributed distribution. After all more than half the population live in the state capitals and then there are the regional cities. In which case it should be possible to get improved services. But you are also right in that they have far smaller populations. A better comparison is Canada. What gets me is that regional Australia demand the same level of services as urban Australia without recognising that this is only possible with higher population densities. As an example about 10 years ago I was in the French Pyranees and went to a village of about 40 people, all living clustered around the sole government building and I kid you not they even had an apartment block. The local farmers commuted to the fields. Over here in Victoria, it seems that everyone lives on their farms which mean more roads, more bus services to get the kids to schools, more power poles, more phone towers, etc. Screw that; move them all to a town and let them commute to their farms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 1 hour ago, NewConvert said: Demanding improved services is something that happens all the time in the private sector as well as the government sector. Nothing wrong with demanding improved quality. If you meant wider range of services then I understand what you are saying. However if you look at the population distribution of Australia, we are more like an archipelago rather than an even distributed distribution. After all more than half the population live in the state capitals and then there are the regional cities. In which case it should be possible to get improved services. But you are also right in that they have far smaller populations. A better comparison is Canada. What gets me is that regional Australia demand the same level of services as urban Australia without recognising that this is only possible with higher population densities. As an example about 10 years ago I was in the French Pyranees and went to a village of about 40 people, all living clustered around the sole government building and I kid you not they even had an apartment block. The local farmers commuted to the fields. Over here in Victoria, it seems that everyone lives on their farms which mean more roads, more bus services to get the kids to schools, more power poles, more phone towers, etc. Screw that; move them all to a town and let them commute to their farms. Come on mate, you have to admit its retarded when PPL say its unfair students here have to pay HECS because a tiny EU country of 4 million gives it away for free... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 13 minutes ago, cadete said: Come on mate, you have to admit its retarded when PPL say its unfair students here have to pay HECS because a tiny EU country of 4 million gives it away for free... Ah. An example of what got up your nose - your prior post mentioned a generality of things including education which could also have meant primary and secondary (which is what I am concerned about now). I have to confess that I am of the last generation that got free education whereas my youngest brother had to pay HECS. I was against HECS when it was introduced because I believe that professionals should pay a higher tax but I have come around to thinking that HECS is a way of discouraging perpetual students and those who seem to bounce around from course to course. Of course it is up each society to decide what they fund and how they fund it. Norway can afford to do because of its petroleum reserves and the Swedes do it because they believe in it. BTW I have Swedish cousins and one of my best mates is a Norwegian. The one thing I never counted on was that once professionals got sufficiently wealthy they would demand tax cuts thus depriving subsequent generations of tax revenue for them to enjoy the benefits of free education. And this is why HECS has to be paid. However right now I am re-thinking my entire concept of education and the way it should operate and be funded. The world has changed and effectively we are still running a 19th century model that I don't believe serves society as well as it should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted June 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) Anyone that thinks the current system isn't generous enough is clearly retarded. You have both a large subsidy on the fees and an interest free loan (which is also a subsidy). There is no need for the both of them. Should remove the fee subsidy and make students pay the full fee but keep the interest free loan to not make it unaffordable for those without rich parents. Uni degrees are barely worth the paper they're written on in Australia since everyone has one, and those that don't earn more anyway as $140k a year entry level unskilled labourers. Whereas in the US a degree is useful and those with one earn substantially more, simply because less people have them (since they're not heavily subsidised). Edited June 3, 2016 by Tesla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 8 hours ago, Tesla said: Anyone that thinks the current system isn't generous enough is clearly retarded. You have both a large subsidy on the fees and an interest free loan (which is also a subsidy). There is no need for the both of them. Should remove the fee subsidy and make students pay the full fee but keep the interest free loan to not make it unaffordable for those without rich parents. Uni degrees are barely worth the paper they're written on in Australia since everyone has one, and those that don't earn more anyway as $140k a year entry level unskilled labourers. Whereas in the US a degree is useful and those with one earn substantially more, simply because less people have them (since they're not heavily subsidised). Medicine, science and some engineering degrees would not be affordable unless Jamie Packer was your dad. Legal studies should be completely deregulated as well as most humanities degrees. Don't know enough about fine arts. I actually see tertiary education becoming the norm in the longer term. Historically learning how to read and write set you apart, then along came compulsory elementary education which was then extended to secondary education (up to 14years, then 15 and now 16). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted June 4, 2016 Report Share Posted June 4, 2016 TTIM: Officeworks not providing plastic bags any more and instead charging you money to buy a bag from them You bastards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 On 20/05/2016 at 9:48 PM, kingofhearts said: Ttim: emojis I'm so sick of people messaging me with all these weird fucking emojis, just use your words people cheers Just an update on this look: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/rendezview/picture-this-girls-can-do-anything/news-story/bdabcf72bca35abc8784fe2a04ceb027 Clearly emoji's are sexist and are holding back women from achieving what they want to do TTDIM: The herald suns quality articles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: Just an update on this look: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/rendezview/picture-this-girls-can-do-anything/news-story/bdabcf72bca35abc8784fe2a04ceb027 Clearly emoji's are sexist and are holding back women from achieving what they want to do TTDIM: The herald suns quality articles I would like to see you get a job at the Herald-Sun as a Journalist. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted June 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, cadete said: I would like to see you get a job at the Herald-Sun as a Journalist. He'd probably be an upgrade TBH. Have switched to The Age even though it's a bit biased to the left at least it's only like 20% spammy click bait BS, what happened today on social media recaps, or troll PC articles; rather than 60%. I'm sure they (news corp in general) do have plenty of good articles, but they all seem to be behind a pay wall, and I'm not paying to read news articles online. Edited June 7, 2016 by Tesla 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 1 minute ago, Tesla said: He'd probably be an upgrade TBH. Have switched to The Age even though it's a bit biased to the left at least it's only like 20% spammy click bait BS or troll PC articles rather than 60%. You are missing my points... 1. Most of the Journalists dont get to choose what News Articles they write at a Commercial Newspaper... the content of the paper is largely dictated by what the Public want to read and find newsworthy. (And FWIW this is the reason The Herald still sells and The Age will go under in five years.) 2. More to the point the most over represented vocational course at Australian Universities is Journalism, the amount of journalism jobs available for these students when they graduate is miniscule. Therefore the Journalists at the Herald-Sun are either those with perfect Journalism Degrees possible marks wise or often those with perfect law degrees. So therefore if the King was at The Herald he would be writing the same articles he loathes... But we can pretty safely assume they would be written with a poorer standard of journalism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted June 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, cadete said: You are missing my points... 1. Most of the Journalists dont get to choose what News Articles they write at a Commercial Newspaper... the content of the paper is largely dictated by what the Public want to read and find newsworthy. (And FWIW this is the reason The Herald still sells and The Age will go under in five years.) 2. More to the point the most over represented vocational course at Australian Universities is Journalism, the amount of journalism jobs available for these students when they graduate is miniscule. Therefore the Journalists at the Herald-Sun are either those with perfect Journalism Degrees possible marks wise or often those with perfect law degrees. So therefore if the King was at The Herald he would be writing the same articles he loathes... But we can pretty safely assume they would be written with a poorer standard of journalism. You're right, but now that there is seemingly a new paradigm in what the job of a journalist is, I doubt journalism courses will be as overrepresented in the future and I doubt even more that people with law degrees will continue to want to be journalists. There is literally no skill involved in this garbage, and certainly no prestige attached to writing it. The Herald Sun has basically reduced itself to the level of buzzfeed. It will be a sad state of affairs if The Age goes bust in 5 years, because at least they make attempts at real journalism. I'd be willing to bet that the pay wall crap on all the news corp sites goes before the age goes though, no way that they're making more money from having a pay wall than if they didn't. Edited June 7, 2016 by Tesla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 25 minutes ago, cadete said: You are missing my points... 1. Most of the Journalists dont get to choose what News Articles they write at a Commercial Newspaper... the content of the paper is largely dictated by what the Public want to read and find newsworthy. (And FWIW this is the reason The Herald still sells and The Age will go under in five years.) 2. More to the point the most over represented vocational course at Australian Universities is Journalism, the amount of journalism jobs available for these students when they graduate is miniscule. Therefore the Journalists at the Herald-Sun are either those with perfect Journalism Degrees possible marks wise or often those with perfect law degrees. So therefore if the King was at The Herald he would be writing the same articles he loathes... But we can pretty safely assume they would be written with a poorer standard of journalism. You are forgetting the PR industry which did not exist when I was in high school to today's massive role in politics and business. There is always a job for a good bullshit artist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 1 hour ago, cadete said: I would like to see you get a job at the Herald-Sun as a Journalist. FWIW it may be a unpopular opinion but i actually don't mind the herald sun (generally the sport section tbh lol). It just seems at least once a week as, their are these shitty click-bate articles that are written which talk about a whole lot of crap no one cares about. I can understand obviously that as you were saying the authors don't have the control on what they get to write however it's just sad to see newspapers selling out and publishing such crap instead of talking about something that really matters. It just seems that the herald sun to me is slowly morphing into that shitty mx paper that use to be on the trains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Herald Sun = best for sport. ABC, the Age, the Guardian = best for real news. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Tesla said: You're right, but now that there is seemingly a new paradigm in what the job of a journalist is, I doubt journalism courses will be as overrepresented in the future and I doubt even more that people with law degrees will continue to want to be journalists. There is literally no skill involved in this garbage, and certainly no prestige attached to writing it. The Herald Sun has basically reduced itself to the level of buzzfeed. It will be a sad state of affairs if The Age goes bust in 5 years, because at least they make attempts at real journalism. I'd be willing to bet that the pay wall crap on all the news corp sites goes before the age goes though, no way that they're making more money from having a pay wall than if they didn't. 12 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: FWIW it may be a unpopular opinion but i actually don't mind the herald sun (generally the sport section tbh lol). It just seems at least once a week as, their are these shitty click-bate articles that are written which talk about a whole lot of crap no one cares about. I can understand obviously that as you were saying the authors don't have the control on what they get to write however it's just sad to see newspapers selling out and publishing such crap instead of talking about something that really matters. It just seems that the herald sun to me is slowly morphing into that shitty mx paper that use to be on the trains. What really is "Real Journalism"? Journalism has changed dramatically from Generation to Generation for well over 200 years now, the only real constants are: 1. That what is published by a Private Owned Newspaper is still what is most likely going to attract a higher amount of Readers. 2. That there is also PPL arguing that Journalism used to be better x amount of years ago. The reality is that both the Age and Herald have for at least six to seven years now tailored their papers to appeal to a Clickbait Audience, so you could argue Clickbait simply is Journalism in the Modern Age. 13 minutes ago, NewConvert said: You are forgetting the PR industry which did not exist when I was in high school to today's massive role in politics and business. There is always a job for a good bullshit artist. True - But that does not take away from my point that most Journalism Students with an impeccable CV will pursue a Journalist Job as their first choice and therefore those who win a Cadetship at the Herald Sun will have beaten a long line of applicants. NOTE: They are most likely to have complained about Murdoch in their Journalism Tutes as well. Edited June 7, 2016 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, thisphantomfortress said: Herald Sun = best for sport. ABC, the Age, the Guardian, Betoota Advocate = best for real news. Fixed The Betoota Advocate @BetootaAdvocate May 5 Grown Man With Prepaid Phone Claims To Have His Shit Together Edited June 7, 2016 by Dylan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 TTIM: The hour gap between games for the euro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 hour ago, n i k o said: TTIM: The hour gap between games for the euro ill add to that. TTIM: BeIN sport panel. David Guetta and some black guy that mumbles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, HeartFc said: ill add to that. TTIM: BeIN sport panel. David Guetta and some black guy that mumbles. Well yes that too. At least if the panel was entertaining it'd be manageable. Im aware bein is different but it's a shame they don't use Australian foxsports hosts like Bozza, Zelic etc. for the coverage here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Making a Medicare claim at our nearest office, where Medicare and Centrelink have a combined operation - a completely dehumanising experience. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 55 minutes ago, jw1739 said: Making a Medicare claim at our nearest office, where Medicare and Centrelink have a combined operation - a completely dehumanising experience. I have been lucky enough to only have had to go to Medicare once and have never been on Centrelink it was enough to turn me off ever going on the dole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: Making a Medicare claim at our nearest office, where Medicare and Centrelink have a combined operation - a completely dehumanising experience. When I first found out this I was pretty enraged firstly due to my own time concerns but then more so stupid for example how in Richmond to put Young Middle Class Mothers with Small Children in the same space as Ice Idiots screaming at Centrelink workers for their dole money. Luckily the Phone App is pretty easy to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 33 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: I have been lucky enough to only have had to go to Medicare once and have never been on Centrelink it was enough to turn me off ever going on the dole Give Death,Births &Marriages a crack. Went in recently thinking a pop in would be the go. OMG. Just another level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 hour ago, jw1739 said: Making a Medicare claim at our nearest office, where Medicare and Centrelink have a combined operation - a completely dehumanising experience. Imagine how us suckers who work there feel! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, cadete said: Luckily the Phone App is pretty easy to use. Is my.gov.au the worst website in the entire world? Probably. Edited June 14, 2016 by GreenSeater 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 54 minutes ago, KSK_47 said: Imagine how us suckers who work there feel! Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemies. Not even @bt50 people from my work have to deal with medicare and it sounds like an absolute cluster fuck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 23 minutes ago, GreenSeater said: Is my.gov.au the worst website in the entire world? Probably. It's not great... once you have it set up through its not as bad. I subscribed to a Password App a while ago for these kind of things as it was just getting to hard to store all the information I need for that kind of stuff, plus I needed to change a lot of my passwords for a lot of stuff when I got out a long term relationship a while back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 hour ago, KSK_47 said: Imagine how us suckers who work there feel! I can only sympathise my friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 hour ago, thisphantomfortress said: People from my work have to deal with medicare and it sounds like an absolute cluster fuck. Before we merged it was so efficient and generally a very pleasant place to work. Now its...well, like centrelink basically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted June 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) If Medicare have your bank details at most doctors it should be automatic processed these days? Got money from Medicare into my bank the next day without doing anything last time I had to pay out of pocket. Only ever been to a Medicare office once or twice in my life. Speaking of which: TTIM : Not going to my GP for BS reasons so half the time I do go it ends up in having to see a specialist and being out of pocket a fair bit, while other people go to the GP every week and don't pay a cent. Bring back the GP co-payment and put the money into higher specialist rebates or something else. Edited June 14, 2016 by Tesla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, Tesla said: If Medicare have your bank details at most doctors it should be automatic processed these days? Got money from Medicare into my bank the next day without doing anything last time I had to pay out of pocket. Only ever been to a Medicare office once or twice in my life. There are still quite a few providers who haven't implemented the necessary system at their consulting rooms - medical/surgical specialists, optometrists, dentists etc. I would say most GPs are OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, Tesla said: If Medicare have your bank details at most doctors it should be automatic processed these days? Got money from Medicare into my bank the next day without doing anything last time I had to pay out of pocket. Only ever been to a Medicare office once or twice in my life. Speaking of which: TTIM : Not going to my GP for BS reasons so half the time I do go it ends up in having to see a specialist and being out of pocket a fair bit, while people go to the GP every week and don't pay a cent. Bring back the GP co-payment and put the money into higher specialist rebates or something else. Same here. Don't visit the GP unless I'm thoroughly convinced I'm about to die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, Embee said: Same here. Don't visit the GP unless I'm thoroughly convinced I'm about to die 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Corner of Bell and Sydney GP: No bookings needed, Bulk Billed, Indian Doctors who work and quick and dont ask questions... go there for any quick prescription/work certificate doctor appointments. It's basically as close as an Australian Medical Centre will get to Doctor Nick Riviera's. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 39 minutes ago, Embee said: Same here. Don't visit the GP unless I'm thoroughly convinced I'm about to die As an avid WebMD follower thatd be pretty regular wouldnt it? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 49 minutes ago, Tesla said: TTIM : Not going to my GP for BS reasons so half the time I do go it ends up in having to see a specialist and being out of pocket a fair bit, while other people go to the GP every week and don't pay a cent. Bring back the GP co-payment and put the money into higher specialist rebates or something else. Good point. Also irks me to have to go to my GP for a referral every year for a known condition for which I'm under (the very good) care of a specialist. Some sensible changes and we could take billions upon billions out of the cost of healthcare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) Was talking to my mate today who is a team leader in a call centre. He's had a staff member have 93 sick days in the last 12 months and had a med cert for every single day. $37.50 x93 I'll let you do the maths. Edited June 14, 2016 by thisphantomfortress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 20 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: Was talking to my mate today who is a team leader in a call centre. He's had a staff member have 93 sick days in the last 12 months and had a med cert for every single day. $37.50 x93 I'll let you do the maths. They dont have a limit on how many paid sick days you can take? Are they looking for staff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted June 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 6 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: Was talking to my mate today who is a team leader in a call centre. He's had a staff member have 93 sick days in the last 12 months and had a med cert for every single day. $37.50 x93 I'll let you do the maths. Just the very idea of a completely free service is ridiculous and will obviously be abused. Too bad when Tony Abbott tried to implement a GP co-payment he went full retard and decided to put the money into some medical research crap that no one gives a fuck about. Either save the money, or better yet put it into another area of health care so that it has some chance of being popular. Even if you put the money raised by the co-payment back into the health care system, the government still saves money as people will reduce their BS visits to the GP. Eg if the proposition was a $10 GP co-payment with the money going to something like Mental Health even the SJW can't really complain much (I'm sure they still would though). I don't really care where the money goes (though medical imaging is probably the area where the average Australian is most likely to be significantly out of cost under the current system, along with specialists), I just don't think going to the GP should be completely free. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 3 minutes ago, KSK_47 said: They dont have a limit on how many paid sick days you can take? Are they looking for staff? So far as I understand they have a limit on paid days but not on unpaid days if a med cert is provided. Trust me they're trying to show the person the door it's just very difficult apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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