DFG_82 Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 I would still sack JVS even if we won the title, Hes just too inconsistent and if we want to be winning multiple titles and hopefully have some success in Asia we need someone better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 I'm surprised that it's even being discussed that he might have turned a corner. One swallow does not a summer make. Is Steve McClaren suddenly a good coach for making Newcastle beat Liverpool and Spurs? Of course not. Regardless of the result in the Derby, JVS is not a manager for the future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 20 year extension. Next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuggetsMcGreggor Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 still has to do better than a semi to show any progress from last season. we were hanging on by a thread in the second half. One notable improvement was the desire i saw in the players. It was definitely a game they were prepare to do anything to win! JVS' changed management style? Who knows. But who cares WE WON THE DERBY!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 2 hours ago, Falastur said: I'm surprised that it's even being discussed that he might have turned a corner. One swallow does not a summer make. Is Steve McClaren suddenly a good coach for making Newcastle beat Liverpool and Spurs? Of course not. Regardless of the result in the Derby, JVS is not a manager for the future. A MEN to that. Those saying he's too inconsistent are dead wrong. JVS is remarkable consistent about his teams having mickey mouse defending, lacking off the ball movement, playing iot back to the keeper because there is no option to go forward, mentally weak, conceding on the edge of half time or full time. The derby win means nothing other than JVS relying on individuals like Sorenson pulling MOM performances out of their backside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 1 hour ago, Tony999 said: 20 year extension. Next! Great to know that you got to see the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) 36 minutes ago, NuggetsMcGreggor said: still has to do better than a semi to show any progress from last season. we were hanging on by a thread in the second half. One notable improvement was the desire i saw in the players. It was definitely a game they were prepare to do anything to win! JVS' changed management style? Who knows. But who cares WE WON THE DERBY!!!!! I reckon you're right and what has changed is the attitude of the new players, Novillo, Bruno and Sorenson and this has rubbed off onto the rest of the team. The JvS 'mediocrity' is still there lying beneath the surface but right now thank geezus it's being held in check by the positivity and drive from our new recruits. Loved how the players interacted with the City supporters at the end. Edited December 19, 2015 by HEARTinator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjake1234 Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 The difference in the two sides after half time shows the difference in the two coaches tonight. Muscat had Victory fired up and City were rudderless. We were lucky not to lose it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) About the only way we can tempt all our good players to stay next season (including Mooy) is to offer them a top coach who can help them all progress their game. JVS isn't the man for that. There are undoubtedly some players who do very well under him but even more go backwards and he just hasn't shown the man management nor tactical ability to move the team further. Edited December 19, 2015 by belaguttman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 only scored 2 tonight, OUT!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 5 hours ago, Falastur said: I'm surprised that it's even being discussed that he might have turned a corner. One swallow does not a summer make. Is Steve McClaren suddenly a good coach for making Newcastle beat Liverpool and Spurs? Of course not. Regardless of the result in the Derby, JVS is not a manager for the future. AZ fans might disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 8 hours ago, NewConvert said: Great to know that you got to see the game Wish l did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 7 hours ago, Tonyboozeadams said: AZ fans might disagree I take it you mean Twente? You're talking about my McClaren comment not JVS, right? In response to that, all I can say is that even a broken clock shows the right time two times a day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 2 hours ago, Falastur said: I take it you mean Twente? You're talking about my McClaren comment not JVS, right? In response to that, all I can say is that even a broken clock shows the right time two times a day. Yep Twente, sorry bout that. im not standing up for Steve btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jozzy Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 Why he does not have us closing down the ball carrier is so frustrating to watch, we allowed Victory far to much time on the ball last night. You may be able to sit back and allow sides like Perth and Central Coast to run at you, waiting for them to lose possession and win it back but you cannot afford to give a side like Victory that much time. With a tougher run of fixtures coming up we must work on our pressure and play at a higher tempo when we don't have the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 28 minutes ago, Jozzy said: Why he does not have us closing down the ball carrier is so frustrating to watch, we allowed Victory far to much time on the ball last night. This Main example being Partaluu last night laying off the Victory player allowing him to cross it into Berisha. Furthermore. Why do our players still not know to play the whistle? We won that game but there is still much more to improve. We can't rely on Sorenson to do that every game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MXG Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 1 hour ago, Jozzy said: Why he does not have us closing down the ball carrier is so frustrating to watch, we allowed Victory far to much time on the ball last night. You may be able to sit back and allow sides like Perth and Central Coast to run at you, waiting for them to lose possession and win it back but you cannot afford to give a side like Victory that much time. With a tougher run of fixtures coming up we must work on our pressure and play at a higher tempo when we don't have the ball. My thoughts, except that victory is absolutely no better than Perth or CCM. They are all very poor. Too much respect for this headless chicken adrenaline junkies, amateurs and journeymen. Was so frustrating watching our left and right backs giving away the space for the cross. Stupid tactics, even knowing that victory is not that effective in front of the goal any more. Looks like JVS doesn't trust his midfield and is afraid to let them play total football. Paartalu becomes even more useless with this tactic. He is actually surprisingly good when we are pressing. I actually respect JVS, but think that he reached his potential now and should be replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 Leave JVS alone. He was the first one that congratulated me on my wedding day. 20 year extension! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 2 games against the fuckwit and 1 point to show for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) Don't think JVS is to blame for this game. Thought he did well with the subs. First half killed it for us. Edited December 27, 2015 by Tony999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Been waiting for this thread to find a bit of energy. To my dearest Scott Munn, Please sack the cunt now and we can still win silverware. Please don't wait until we sneak into 5th or 6th and bow out in the semis. Kind regards, - Jimmy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjake1234 Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 16 hours ago, Tony999 said: Don't think JVS is to blame for this game. Thought he did well with the subs. First half killed it for us. Wrong. He is to blame. He is the coach and he obviously went in with the wrong structure and game plan (defensive). When we attacked more in the second half it was a different game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisphantomfortress Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 16 hours ago, Jimmy said: Been waiting for this thread to find a bit of energy. To my dearest Scott Munn, Please sack the cunt now and we can still win silverware. Please don't wait until we sneak into 5th or 6th and bow out in the semis. Kind regards, - Jimmy Jimmy we all know Munn hates you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 54 minutes ago, mjake1234 said: Wrong. He is to blame. He is the coach and he obviously went in with the wrong structure and game plan (defensive). When we attacked more in the second half it was a different game. As I said in the match-day thread, I didnt see the whole game but watching the highlights and panel shows this is what it seems like to me. So basically JVS was out coached by Aloisi... let that sink in for a while 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 59 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said: Jimmy we all know Munn hates you Because I was the only one with enough balls to be a cunt to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 4 hours ago, mjake1234 said: Wrong. He is to blame. He is the coach and he obviously went in with the wrong structure and game plan (defensive). When we attacked more in the second half it was a different game. Listening to JVS press conference I don't think he instructed the players to play deep. In fact we started with our usual high press for the first 10 minutes. According to him the team dropped too deep on their own. One of the commentators mentioned how Brisbane were getting in behind us in the first half. Without seeing the game a second time I'm going to assume our leader in defence (Kisnorbo) ended up being responsible for the defensive line to drop too deep, causing a bigger gap between them and our midfielders. I'll have a look when I get the chance but I did see Brisbane get between this line often in the first half so this is the only explantation I have at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) Last night was simply a minor hiccup on the pathway to success. Job safe Edited December 28, 2015 by kingofhearts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 1 hour ago, kingofhearts said: Last 5 years was simply a minor hiccup on the pathway to success. Job safe Fixed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 I don't think Aloisi out coached JVS (dude had a smug look on his face like he fluked a 3-1 win), I do think we need a FUCKEN BACK LINE we need some descent CB's and maybe a midfield that is more defensive minded when we're obviously in trouble. I think Hughes was pretty good the first game he played and looked faster than kisnorbo and looked more agile (granted a long time ago but the 15mins since that first game he played he didnt look great) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva10 Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 4 hours ago, n i k o said: Listening to JVS press conference I don't think he instructed the players to play deep. In fact we started with our usual high press for the first 10 minutes. According to him the team dropped too deep on their own. One of the commentators mentioned how Brisbane were getting in behind us in the first half. Without seeing the game a second time I'm going to assume our leader in defence (Kisnorbo) ended up being responsible for the defensive line to drop too deep, causing a bigger gap between them and our midfielders. I'll have a look when I get the chance but I did see Brisbane get between this line often in the first half so this is the only explantation I have at the moment. In that case he should have bee up on the touchline getting a message through to the team and defence in particular to push up. He had plenty of time to prevent the team from falling back on to their own penalty area. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 1 hour ago, HeartOfCity said: I don't think Aloisi out coached JVS So you wouldnt say that the reason we lost was because we invited too much pressure on our defense in the first half? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Maybe, but surely can't argue that our CB's are close to worse in the league with no depth in this area. The 2 goals conceded on the weekend where weak as piss, don't get me wrong I love kisnorbos effort and would go to war with him but when we let those easy goals through it makes me wonder about our defensive side of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 15 minutes ago, HeartOfCity said: Maybe, but surely can't argue that our CB's are close to worse in the league with no depth in this area. The 2 goals conceded on the weekend where weak as piss, don't get me wrong I love kisnorbos effort and would go to war with him but when we let those easy goals through it makes me wonder about our defensive side of the game. 2nd worse defensive record in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 (edited) 56 minutes ago, HeartOfCity said: Maybe, but surely can't argue that our CB's are close to worse in the league with no depth in this area. The 2 goals conceded on the weekend where weak as piss, don't get me wrong I love kisnorbos effort and would go to war with him but when we let those easy goals through it makes me wonder about our defensive side of the game. Regardless of how good or bad they are, they are there because of JVS. If they are not doing what he asks or they are unable to carry out his instructions, thats his fault. Edited December 28, 2015 by KSK_47 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted January 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 On 28/12/2015 at 8:07 AM, n i k o said: Listening to JVS press conference I don't think he instructed the players to play deep. In fact we started with our usual high press for the first 10 minutes. According to him the team dropped too deep on their own. One of the commentators mentioned how Brisbane were getting in behind us in the first half. Without seeing the game a second time I'm going to assume our leader in defence (Kisnorbo) ended up being responsible for the defensive line to drop too deep, causing a bigger gap between them and our midfielders. I'll have a look when I get the chance but I did see Brisbane get between this line often in the first half so this is the only explantation I have at the moment. So either the tactics are bad or JVS is unable to get the players to follow his tactics? Holy shit it's 2016 and JVS still has a job, amazing. Someone get in touch with Malcolm Turnbull, if we learn JVS' secrets we could eliminate unemployment in Australia. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 13 hours ago, Tesla said: So either the tactics are bad or JVS is unable to get the players to follow his tactics? Holy shit it's 2016 and JVS still has a job, amazing. Someone get in touch with Malcolm Turnbull, if we learn JVS' secrets we could eliminate unemployment in Australia. According to my in-depth sociological studies there is a direct positive correlation (extremely significant [p <.0001]) between level of tan and security of employment. I also conducted another experiment that found that black males who are exuberant and generally moody (verging bi-polar disorder) have, on average, penile length in the upper 1 percentile. So let's all forgive Novillo for his outbursts because he is, on average, more of a man than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted January 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 1 minute ago, strider said: According to my in-depth sociological studies there is a direct positive correlation (extremely significant [p <.0001]) between level of tan and security of employment. I also conducted another experiment that found that black males who are exuberant and generally moody (verging bi-polar disorder) have, on average, penile length in the upper 1 percentile. So let's all forgive Novillo for his outbursts because he is, on average, more of a man than us. Penile length has nothing to do with one's level of manliness, it's all about penile gerth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Just now, Tesla said: Penile length has nothing to do with one's level of manliness, it's all about penile gerth Can you pls link me to peer-reviewed article Sir Tes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 20 hours ago, Tesla said: So either the tactics are bad or JVS is unable to get the players to follow his tactics? Holy shit it's 2016 and JVS still has a job, amazing. Someone get in touch with Malcolm Turnbull, if we learn JVS' secrets we could eliminate unemployment in Australia. No I agree and I think either way you look at it, even if a player cant follow the plan, the decision comes back to JVS. I'll give you an example. I have huge respect for the guy but I have always felt Kisnorbo doesn't suit the game we're trying to play and would rather sit deep behind the ball. He would be perfectly suited to a team like Newcastle or Perth who sit deep. Now if in fact Kisnorbo isn't suited to our game as I think he isn't this again comes back to JVS player selections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) On 19 December 2015 at 11:51 AM, KSK_47 said: This is the exact problem. These games were only a few months ago so its very difficult to think that its all behind us now. Especially after all the times we have previously seen these miraculous runs, only to have them end as suddenly as it came. At the start of the season i said that for me he needs to win the leauge (or come very damn close to it) or he needs to go. I stand by that. Totally agree with this. He needs a CB partner that marshals the defence and lead. Then let PK do what he does best and that is just backs against the wall pure defending Edited January 1, 2016 by Dylan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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