Josh Kennedy

[jw1739]

Sorry Josh, but I thought you offered absolutely nothing today. Half the time the boys couldn't go forward because you were hanging around in an off-side position, and your first touch was often atrocious.

[Thrillhouse]

useless cunt

more frustrating to watch than williams

[Heart_fan]

His hold up play is good, but his lack of movement and fitness are a liability.

Added to that we do rely far too much on the long ball to him when he is on. It's not the smart pass on most occasions, it's purely a hopeful option.

I can see what he is trying to do, but his inability to press and take the rare chances he gets is an issue.

[belaguttman]

We need to use him the way that Sydney use Janko. We don't use him at all at the moment

[Murfy1]

Just all too often looks out of sync with his teammates. Didn't combine well with the other forwards. And whilst I can also see some smart stuff Kennedy tries to do that his teammates fail to pick up on (such as knock downs), Kennedy has been at Melbourne City for about 4 months now, so Kennedy's inability pass to teammates and to get into possessions where they can pass him the ball is concerning. Kennedy simply should be playing better.

 

I still have some hope that Kennedy will come good. However he's really got to show more before the season's finished.

[Jimmy]

Didn't think he was THAT bad today really.

[NewConvert]

I actually thought all the forwards showed plenty last night. What they didn't show was team work and cohesion, that is, they all had their own moments but could not combine with the other team mates to provide a consistent threat. Now it could be that Koren/Novillo/Kennedy/Williams need a full and complete pre-season to sort things out - certainly Koren's injuries did not help, and the late arrival of Kennedy (who arrived injured and unfit) and Novillo has meant that cohesion is a work in progress. Also, last night, it clearly showed all of our forwards limitations - Koren has only one peg and is like the under nines that they have to have the ball just in the right place to kick with their only foot. Novillo does not like to pass and so gets gang tackled and loses the ball - whether this is because he lacks vision or has too high opinion of himself I don't know. Kennedy's lack of speed and Williams' short comings are well documented elsewhere.

Personally, I am with Murf in that the team does not know how to use Kennedy properly and that comes down to JVS and the coaching staff.

[Parrot]

 

Melbourne City striker Josh Kennedy to miss Perth Glory clash

 

MELBOURNE City will miss Josh Kennedy for Sunday’s clash away to Perth Glory as they adopt a cautious approach on the eve of finals.

City’s Australian marquee trained with his team on Friday at Latrobe University, Bundoora, but went home while his teammates headed to Tullamarine Airport to fly to Perth.

Coach John van’t Schip hinted that Kennedy may have played if it was a home match, but erred on the side of caution after he pulled up stiff after the 0-0 draw at home to Wellington Phoenix last Sunday, where Kennedy played 74 minutes.

“Josh had a bit of a problem so he won’t travel, he’ll stay and prepare for Adelaide,’’ van’t Schip said.

At http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/melbourne-city-striker-josh-kennedy-to-miss-perth-glory-clash/story-e6frf423-1227307998667

 

My comment:

Surely we now have more ambition as a club than to spend big money outside the salary cap on a 30 something Australian player past his best and injury prone. By the way folks, how many goals as a striker has Kennedy scored for us?

I'll say it again: We need to keep Aaron Mooy. Even if it means losing Kennedy. It doesn't matter that Mooy's signed for us for next season - his contract will no doubt have a buy out clause.

 

It's pretty obvious to me that an Australia club winning the Asian Champions League and Australia winning the Asian Cup, and having nearly 50% of A League based players on the field at some stage in the final has put the focus, certainly in Asia, on the better performing A League players, most being paid a pittance compared to what they will be offered elsewhere.

Josh Kennedy in my opinion was a very poor choice of player to be paid the big money outside the salary cap.

 

[Jun]

 

 

Melbourne City striker Josh Kennedy to miss Perth Glory clash

 

MELBOURNE City will miss Josh Kennedy for Sunday’s clash away to Perth Glory as they adopt a cautious approach on the eve of finals.

City’s Australian marquee trained with his team on Friday at Latrobe University, Bundoora, but went home while his teammates headed to Tullamarine Airport to fly to Perth.

Coach John van’t Schip hinted that Kennedy may have played if it was a home match, but erred on the side of caution after he pulled up stiff after the 0-0 draw at home to Wellington Phoenix last Sunday, where Kennedy played 74 minutes.

“Josh had a bit of a problem so he won’t travel, he’ll stay and prepare for Adelaide,’’ van’t Schip said.

At http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/melbourne-city-striker-josh-kennedy-to-miss-perth-glory-clash/story-e6frf423-1227307998667

 

My comment:

Surely we now have more ambition as a club than to spend big money outside the salary cap on a 30 something Australian player past his best and injury prone. By the way folks, how many goals as a striker has Kennedy scored for us?

I'll say it again: We need to keep Aaron Mooy. Even if it means losing Kennedy. It doesn't matter that Mooy's signed for us for next season - his contract will no doubt have a buy out clause.

 

It's pretty obvious to me that an Australia club winning the Asian Champions League and Australia winning the Asian Cup, and having nearly 50% of A League based players on the field at some stage in the final has put the focus, certainly in Asia, on the better performing A League players, most being paid a pittance compared to what they will be offered elsewhere.

Josh Kennedy in my opinion was a very poor choice of player to be paid the big money outside the salary cap.

 

 

If Mooy wants to move to Europe, he'll move to Europe. Him being the marquee won't change anything. If he wants to do a Paartalu and go to Asia that's a different story, can't see it happening though.

Agreed on the rest of the points.

[Parrot]

_{I agree with you. If Mooy definitely wants to move to Europe then he'll go. But we should make it that more difficult for him by giving him a very generous financial incentive to stay - at least on a par with what he would initially be offered overseas. In addition, Mooy knows a Socceroos position is there for the taking, and moving to Europe and being in a squad of say 35 players as an Australian foreigner might put his Socceroos ambitions at risk.}


 

[Jovan]

_{I agree with you. If Mooy definitely wants to move to Europe then he'll go. But we should make it that more difficult for him by giving him a very generous financial incentive to stay - at least on a par with what he would initially be offered overseas. In addition, Mooy knows a Socceroos position is there for the taking, and moving to Europe and being in a squad of say 35 players as an Australian foreigner might put his Socceroos ambitions at risk.}

 

At the end of the day he is soccer player. The driving motivator is going to be his own personal game. If he feels he can develop and improve with us and play the way he feels best suits him he will stay. If he gets an offer that's better and he's playing alongside higher quality he's going to go. Money is a factor, but until he's reached his peak as a player I believe the amount we offer to pay is secondary.

 

It's also a new dimension that players now see staying longer locally improves national selection rather than leaving early and making your way through squads in Europe. It's a good thing for me. 

[Parrot]

We're better off without Kennedy in the team.

 

He offers next to nothing defensively and also makes attacking play more difficult because too often he lingers in an off side position.
 

[Jovan]

We're better off without Kennedy in the team.

 

He offers next to nothing defensively and also makes attacking play more difficult because too often he lingers in an off side position.

Just saying were better off without him is frankly simplistic and lacks any logic. If you offered an alternative as to who we could of got instead and was available then fair enough. We have him and therefore we must use to best suit the needs of the team. So I agree he has failed to shine but he has still had moments where he has contributed.

If he scores a winning goal in a final match will you still say we would be better off without him?

[jw1739]

 

We're better off without Kennedy in the team.

 

He offers next to nothing defensively and also makes attacking play more difficult because too often he lingers in an off side position.

Just saying were better off without him is frankly simplistic and lacks any logic. If you offered an alternative as to who we could of got instead and was available then fair enough. We have him and therefore we must use to best suit the needs of the team. So I agree he has failed to shine but he has still had moments where he has contributed.

If he scores a winning goal in a final match will you still say we would be better off without him?

If you use that argument to extremes you can use it to justify the retention of almost every player. Just as if you use the worst moments of a player's career you can use that to justify sacking him. What you have to look at is the player's average performance.

 

IMO so far what we have seen from Kennedy is just not what we should be getting from a squad player, let alone a marquee player.

[Luke]

 

 

We're better off without Kennedy in the team.

 

He offers next to nothing defensively and also makes attacking play more difficult because too often he lingers in an off side position.

Just saying were better off without him is frankly simplistic and lacks any logic. If you offered an alternative as to who we could of got instead and was available then fair enough. We have him and therefore we must use to best suit the needs of the team. So I agree he has failed to shine but he has still had moments where he has contributed.

If he scores a winning goal in a final match will you still say we would be better off without him?

If you use that argument to extremes you can use it to justify the retention of almost every player. Just as if you use the worst moments of a player's career you can use that to justify sacking him. What you have to look at is the player's average performance.

 

IMO so far what we have seen from Kennedy is just not what we should be getting from a squad player, let alone a marquee player.

 

 

Absolutely this. I want to see more of Marino 

[Jovan]

 

 

We're better off without Kennedy in the team.

 

He offers next to nothing defensively and also makes attacking play more difficult because too often he lingers in an off side position.

Just saying were better off without him is frankly simplistic and lacks any logic. If you offered an alternative as to who we could of got instead and was available then fair enough. We have him and therefore we must use to best suit the needs of the team. So I agree he has failed to shine but he has still had moments where he has contributed.

If he scores a winning goal in a final match will you still say we would be better off without him?

If you use that argument to extremes you can use it to justify the retention of almost every player. Just as if you use the worst moments of a player's career you can use that to justify sacking him. What you have to look at is the player's average performance.

 

IMO so far what we have seen from Kennedy is just not what we should be getting from a squad player, let alone a marquee player.

 

My point is that If he is contracted and fit we should use him. To say we are better off without him makes no sense to me. 

 

In regards to retaining him, I think there are better strikers available and once his contract expires then bring in a new player.

 

All I am saying about him scoring a vital goal just demonstrates how fickle some people are (me included) when players form fluctuate. 

 

Agree with you that his output has not matched his reputation nor his status as a marquee. But until we have someone else we are stuck with him, and at the moment I'm not sure Marino will add much more in the next few games.

Edited April 18, 2015 by Jovan

[moops]

We need to use him the way that Sydney use Janko. We don't use him at all at the moment

We should use him like Montano, a deep lying forward, he is a bit like Viduka with a bit less speed.

we are not using him right and he is treading water (and no longer young).

[Luke]

 

We're better off without Kennedy in the team.

 

He offers next to nothing defensively and also makes attacking play more difficult because too often he lingers in an off side position.

Just saying were better off without him is frankly simplistic and lacks any logic. If you offered an alternative as to who we could of got instead and was available then fair enough. We have him and therefore we must use to best suit the needs of the team. So I agree he has failed to shine but he has still had moments where he has contributed.

If he scores a winning goal in a final match will you still say we would be better off without him?

 

 

Nathan burns was "available" 13 goals and a bunch of assists socceroos selection, would have been a superb selection.

 

But no once again city/heart hq went with the option that was "marketable" and was once again they failed 

[n i k o]

The ultimate and difficult question remains though, would Burns have been as successful under JVS as he has been under Merrick? Success of a player depends so much on having a balance of players around him playing a role that will enhance his game.

[HEARTinator]

The ultimate and difficult question remains though, would Burns have been as successful under JVS as he has been under Merrick? Success of a player depends so much on having a balance of players around him playing a role that will enhance his game.

Yep, of course. One man don't make a team and simply substituting Burns for Kennedy would not necessarily have gauranteed us extra success. Merrick has crafted a smart side because he's proven himself to be a smart recruiter at the Nux and before with the Tards. Around Burns you have Bonevacia, McGlinchey, Krishna and Rodriguez. Merrick even has hard working spuds like Sigmund, Lia, Durrante, Muscat ( ) and Fenton looking competant. We on the other hand have turned Duga into a spud and WIllo's heroics of last season haven't materialised this campaign. Then we play people out of position so that we have an unbalanced side where we don't get the best out of the squad.

[n i k o]

I agree to an extent about giving the coaching staff all the 'credit' for their poor form but let's not take away any responsibility from Duga and Williams. As far I'm concerned they are by far more responsible for their form than JVS, especially Duga.

With some other players on the team though there's an arguement against JVS.

Edited April 18, 2015 by n i k o

[KSK_47]

The Kennedy situation reminds me of when people used to say similar things about Sibon.

 

As has been mentioned before on here, Kennedy is a specialist. His job is to be in the right place, and when the ball comes his way he puts it in the net. Problem is that having someone like Kennedy is that it is up to the rest of team to utilize this, which isnt happening forcing him to go looking for opportunities (same thing used to happened with Sibon). And when a specialist is forced to work outside their area of expertise it becomes very obvious.

[belaguttman]

The ultimate and difficult question remains though, would Burns have been as successful under JVS as he has been under Merrick? Success of a player depends so much on having a balance of players around him playing a role that will enhance his game.

Yes look at David Villa's experience with us

[MaliMate]

The Kennedy situation reminds me of when people used to say similar things about Sibon.

As has been mentioned before on here, Kennedy is a specialist. His job is to be in the right place, and when the ball comes his way he puts it in the net. Problem is that having someone like Kennedy is that it is up to the rest of team to utilize this, which isnt happening forcing him to go looking for opportunities (same thing used to happened with Sibon). And when a specialist is forced to work outside their area of expertise it becomes very obvious.

Except Sibon had the ability to move past a player with the ball and could actually dribble, pass etc.

Kennedy is a deadset spastic.

[KSK_47]

The Kennedy situation reminds me of when people used to say similar things about Sibon.

As has been mentioned before on here, Kennedy is a specialist. His job is to be in the right place, and when the ball comes his way he puts it in the net. Problem is that having someone like Kennedy is that it is up to the rest of team to utilize this, which isnt happening forcing him to go looking for opportunities (same thing used to happened with Sibon). And when a specialist is forced to work outside their area of expertise it becomes very obvious.

Except Sibon had the ability to move past a player with the ball and could actually dribble, pass etc.

Kennedy is a deadset spastic.

The point is that neither of them should have to worry about being judged on those attributes because that's not their role.

[[LIBBA]]

 

The Kennedy situation reminds me of when people used to say similar things about Sibon.

As has been mentioned before on here, Kennedy is a specialist. His job is to be in the right place, and when the ball comes his way he puts it in the net. Problem is that having someone like Kennedy is that it is up to the rest of team to utilize this, which isnt happening forcing him to go looking for opportunities (same thing used to happened with Sibon). And when a specialist is forced to work outside their area of expertise it becomes very obvious.

Except Sibon had the ability to move past a player with the ball and could actually dribble, pass etc.

Kennedy is a deadset spastic.

 

To call Kennedy a spastic is an insult to disabled people

[Parrot]

The number 9 at Brisbane, Andrija Kaluderovic, who since coming here has scored plenty of goals in the A League and scored in China last night, would be able to fit into our salary cap, work harder and score more goals than Kennedy.

He also doesn't need to be rested because of a bad back.

Then we can replace Kennedy with a quality Australian marquee imo.
 

[Jovan]

The number 9 at Brisbane, Andrija Kaluderovic, who since coming here has scored plenty of goals in the A League and scored in China last night, would be able to fit into our salary cap, work harder and score more goals than Kennedy.

He also doesn't need to be rested because of a bad back.

Then we can replace Kennedy with a quality Australian marquee imo.

Good post.

Both played 9 A league games this season. Kennedy 1 goal. Kaluderovic 5 goals.

[stewmac]

Everyone heard of Kennedy that's why we sign him not because he is injury prone lazy old bastard , oh wait

[jw1739]

Possibly the most ill-advised signing we have ever made. We could perhaps be forgiven for some of the earlier contenders, because we were a start-up club etc. etc, but those days are gone. How can almost every other club sign younger, fit strikers who actually score goals, yet we cannot? Where on earth is our "due diligence" in these matters?

[jw1739]

 

The number 9 at Brisbane, Andrija Kaluderovic, who since coming here has scored plenty of goals in the A League and scored in China last night, would be able to fit into our salary cap, work harder and score more goals than Kennedy.

He also doesn't need to be rested because of a bad back.

Then we can replace Kennedy with a quality Australian marquee imo.

Good post.

Both played 9 A league games this season. Kennedy 1 goal. Kaluderovic 5 goals.

Kennedy 659 minutes for one goal.

Kaludjerovic 541 minutes for five goals.

[Jovan]

The number 9 at Brisbane, Andrija Kaluderovic, who since coming here has scored plenty of goals in the A League and scored in China last night, would be able to fit into our salary cap, work harder and score more goals than Kennedy.

He also doesn't need to be rested because of a bad back.

Then we can replace Kennedy with a quality Australian marquee imo.

Good post.

Both played 9 A league games this season. Kennedy 1 goal. Kaluderovic 5 goals.

Kennedy 659 minutes for one goal.

Kaludjerovic 541 minutes for five goals.

Not too sure about details of the Roar. But isn't Kaluderovic a replacement for some other spud.

If so why can other clubs minimize errors by finding reasonable solutions were we persist with bunnies until its our only option.

Kennedy may come good but how long does it take.

[Heart of Melbourne]

We have 32 plus scouts. Relax

[japiedog]

Possibly the most ill-advised signing we have ever made. We could perhaps be forgiven for some of the earlier contenders, because we were a start-up club etc. etc, but those days are gone. How can almost every other club sign younger, fit strikers who actually score goals, yet we cannot? Where on earth is our "due diligence" in these matters?

C'mon at least he has been on target a few times

 

the Maltese Messi was , for the style ( or lack of) we played, possibly a worse signing as for goals scored

 

pretty good a notching up offsides though 

[Luke]

 

Possibly the most ill-advised signing we have ever made. We could perhaps be forgiven for some of the earlier contenders, because we were a start-up club etc. etc, but those days are gone. How can almost every other club sign younger, fit strikers who actually score goals, yet we cannot? Where on earth is our "due diligence" in these matters?

C'mon at least he has been on target a few times

 

the Maltese Messi was , for the style ( or lack of) we played, possibly a worse signing as for goals scored

 

pretty good a notching up offsides though 

 

 

Another apologist. No wonder we're going no where  

[kingofhearts]

 

Possibly the most ill-advised signing we have ever made. We could perhaps be forgiven for some of the earlier contenders, because we were a start-up club etc. etc, but those days are gone. How can almost every other club sign younger, fit strikers who actually score goals, yet we cannot? Where on earth is our "due diligence" in these matters?

C'mon at least he has been on target a few times

 

the Maltese Messi was , for the style ( or lack of) we played, possibly a worse signing as for goals scored

 

pretty good a notching up offsides though 

 

But didn't you see how the maltese messi appealed to all the maltese demographic in Melbourne?

 

Our membership numbers went through the roof with him!

[Shahanga]

 

 

Possibly the most ill-advised signing we have ever made. We could perhaps be forgiven for some of the earlier contenders, because we were a start-up club etc. etc, but those days are gone. How can almost every other club sign younger, fit strikers who actually score goals, yet we cannot? Where on earth is our "due diligence" in these matters?

C'mon at least he has been on target a few times

 

the Maltese Messi was , for the style ( or lack of) we played, possibly a worse signing as for goals scored

 

pretty good a notching up offsides though 

 

But didn't you see how the maltese messi appealed to all the maltese demographic in Melbourne?

 

Our membership numbers went through the roof with him!

 

The Maltese Messi has proved very helpful to me.

 

I have a bunch of U12 girls who are learning to deal with offside.  To the confused ones i say, look, don't worry about it, just play.  You'll know there is a problem if the whistle goes.  Don't feel bad if you don't get it, Melbourne Heart played a bloke hundreds of thousands a year and he didn't understand the rule either!

[Shahanga]

I think when people look at the signing of Kennedy they may miss what I see as the connection with The Villa Fiasco. I firmly believe we only went after Kennedy because we thought we had Villa for the first half of the season. Otherwise how can you explain signing an extremely unfit player mid season, it simply makes no sense. (Even now I'm not convinced Kennedy is match fit)

[japiedog]

 

 

Possibly the most ill-advised signing we have ever made. We could perhaps be forgiven for some of the earlier contenders, because we were a start-up club etc. etc, but those days are gone. How can almost every other club sign younger, fit strikers who actually score goals, yet we cannot? Where on earth is our "due diligence" in these matters?

C'mon at least he has been on target a few times

 

the Maltese Messi was , for the style ( or lack of) we played, possibly a worse signing as for goals scored

 

pretty good a notching up offsides though 

 

 

Another apologist. No wonder we're going no where  

 

Luke , I'm not making apologies, just saying that Mifsud, was for the return, a worse signing.

Kennedy has scored, and has been on target which has led to others scoring 

Mifdud was an absolute waste

[markn]

I don't even think Kennedy fits into our style of play.

 

For such a big man, he is very weak on the ball.