mjake1234 Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 10 hours ago, fensaddler said: I really have given up now. Please don't ask if I'm renewing. I might utter foul oaths, followed by off. I think there is a few of us hoping Red Bull start a new club in Melbourne with a red outfit as a bonus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomi Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 11 hours ago, moops said: Brattan had a good 15 mins, after that he has gone missing, Genreau was more involved than him Genreau had a shocker. Maybe nerves? Big game to be thrown into. Hopefully with more game time he will only improve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomi Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 10 hours ago, Shahanga said: Gee Arnold has them set up well. Tight as a drum at the back. Wish City would bring Arnold in as a coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 17 minutes ago, Tomi said: Wish City would bring Arnold in as a coach. I'm at the point now that I would rather win then play "beautiful football". Honestly just for the team to park the bus every game then win with our only shot on goal 1-0. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 1 hour ago, haz said: I'm at the point now that I would rather win then play "beautiful football". Honestly just for the team to park the bus every game then win with our only shot on goal 1-0. We're not even playing beautiful football. We're just playing badly and getting stuffed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 MC need to stop with the 'feel good' crap. They need to get a good coach, a good defence, and play solid football. That's it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 1 hour ago, haz said: I'm at the point now that I would rather win then play "beautiful football". Honestly just for the team to park the bus every game then win with our only shot on goal 1-0. I'd love to see us play beautiful football for once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Harrison Posted April 2, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 Recorded it last night and watched it this morning, and what a fucking waste of 90 minutes. Valkanis has, to put it politely, no fucking idea what he is doing. Fair enough if his hands are tied but to put out that display with the talent we have is pathetic. We looked disjointed, sloppy and disinterested most of the time. Our transition (if you could call it that) was aimless and there is virtually no chemistry between the midfield and forwards. A defence consisting of Josh Rose and Manny Muscat, led by a very young defender and a goalkeeper who has virtually no command of his area is a recipe for disaster. And Genreau has talent but why isn't Retre starting there? He might not be a star but I think Retre would be a much better pick in that situation. If he isn't able to be selected when we have injuries and suspensions to most of our starting defenders and midfielders then why even sign him? Also, Arzani showed more last week in 15 minutes of football than most of the others and yet he is left on the bench? I still can't get over that first goal either. What a disgrace. We badly miss Jakobsen, to put it mildly. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 I must really be out of the loop. Why was Bouzanis in for Sorensen? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 2 hours ago, n i k o said: I must really be out of the loop. Why was Bouzanis in for Sorensen? because in Greece they separate the boys from the men with a crowbar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 Did not catch one minute of this game but it seems like we played well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lime Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 6 hours ago, n i k o said: I must really be out of the loop. Why was Bouzanis in for Sorensen? Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 8 hours ago, n i k o said: I must really be out of the loop. Why was Bouzanis in for Sorensen? You're already more knowledgeable than Valkanis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumpyknuckles Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 It's really hard to fall in love with a club, and support them through thick and thin, when season after season turns out to be absolutely awful like this. (I'm aware we are still 4th) I made sure the club don't auto renew my membership for next season, I'm on the fence about giving a shit about the club at all at the moment. Do I look forward to another squad turnover and new coach for next season? Only to go through the same shit? I can't say I have enjoyed much at all this year after Perth beat us early at home. The cup final was nice, but what happened since? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dylan Posted April 3, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 TTIM: People who bitch and whinge about 'modern football' then go ahead and treat their support of a club as a commodity 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 Honestly felt like a chore turning this game on. The fun and excitement has gone out of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Dylan said: TTIM: People who bitch and whinge about 'modern football' then go ahead and treat their support of a club as a commodity Haha this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 20 minutes ago, Dylan said: TTIM: People who bitch and whinge about 'modern football' then go ahead and treat their support of a club as a commodity I've read the words "I'm out" so many times on this forum they've lost all meaning to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffplz Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 29 minutes ago, Deeming said: Honestly felt like a chore turning this game on. The fun and excitement has gone out of it. Make up for it by coming in to the match with your mates and having a laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 You know what pisses me off the most, is that after we conceded we just fell to pieces all over the pitch. It would have been nice to go down fighting. It seems as though we just lose the plot which isn't a good sign coming into the pointy end of the season. 35 minutes ago, Dylan said: TTIM: People who bitch and whinge about 'modern football' then go ahead and treat their support of a club as a commodity Supporters have been like this since the beginning of time, no different to today's game. The thing that has always pisses off supporters is under-performing and lack of action to address re-occurring problems. But after the dust settles, the supporters are always there even though players and management have grabbed their money and run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 45 minutes ago, Dylan said: TTIM: People who bitch and whinge about 'modern football' then go ahead and treat their support of a club as a commodity Except that one of the features of modern football means that its a franchise and not a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 Not that we didn't hope for a surprise result, but surely no one here on this forum expected us to win. Without a quality centreback in the team, and with all the issues we know exist, we're likely not to win another game this season (i'd rate the Adelaide game as 50/50). I have often pondered how our season would have been different if we'd only held onto to Wilko. Anyway, all our deficiencies were brilliantly exposed and held up for all to see by an efficient / professional Sydney, who in truth were just as horrible to watch as us. In terms of our squad balance, recruitment, selections, leadership and tactics this season, heads need to role. And heads need to role because this has been a wasted season (FFA cup aside) where we should have been legitimately vying to win everything. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffplz Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 In terms of our squad balance, recruitment, selections, leadership and tactics this season, heads need to role. Quick question, what would you have done about any of these problems after our FFA cup win? So far at that point in the season, squad balance, recruitment, selections and leadership were actually looking very good. What solutions could you provide halfway thru a season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 I would argue that all the issues referenced were evident after round 2, following on from when Perth worked out how to beat us. Also, even before round 2, there were grave concerns expressed on this forum that our squad balance was out. It was good to with the FFA cup, but I doubt we would have won if the game was in Sydney. To answer your question, I would have sacked the coaching staff and brought in a world class manager (with support) who was mandated to coach based on the strengths and weaknesses of the squad. I would have used the January transfer window to re-balance the squad. Also, Timmy and Bruno would rarely be seen on the pitch at the same time, say unless we were chasing a game down and there was only 5 minutes to go ... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 32 minutes ago, Torn Asunder said: Not that we didn't hope for a surprise result, but surely no one here on this forum expected us to win. Without a quality centreback in the team, and with all the issues we know exist, we're likely not to win another game this season (i'd rate the Adelaide game as 50/50). I have often pondered how our season would have been different if we'd only held onto to Wilko. Anyway, all our deficiencies were brilliantly exposed and held up for all to see by an efficient / professional Sydney, who in truth were just as horrible to watch as us. In terms of our squad balance, recruitment, selections, leadership and tactics this season, heads need to role. And heads need to role because this has been a wasted season (FFA cup aside) where we should have been legitimately vying to win everything. Well said. It would have been nice just to take something away from the loss. Even to weather the Sydney storm after the first goal with a change in tactics or structure just to see if we could stem the onslaught and maybe get a goal on the counter if they pressed too far, or even keep it to 1. It was clear that Arnold tweeked things in the second half and again we did nothing. So the loss was empty with nothing to analyse because nothing was tried. It's just crazy stuff and in all my years of following this game, from a lack of game day management view point, I have seen nothing like it, ever. 4 minutes ago, jeffplz said: In terms of our squad balance, recruitment, selections, leadership and tactics this season, heads need to role. Quick question, what would you have done about any of these problems after our FFA cup win? So far at that point in the season, squad balance, recruitment, selections and leadership were actually looking very good. What solutions could you provide halfway thru a season? Simple, try something different, have a plan B and C, most managers have back up tactics and know exactly when to implement them. How can you possibly expect to win with one tactic and structure when the opposition can just pick off its weaknesses? Unless you are a Barca you can't, and the fact that we have been exploited the same way for the whole season confirms the delusion of the management staff. Quite sad TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 It all comes back to the coach unfortunately. How good did people think a caretaker coach was going to be? You can't even really blame valkanas for what has happened, he didn't want to be put in this position. CFG are the ones at fault here first, by putting an incompetent coach at the head in the first place and secondly, for having no replacement for him when JVS left during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: It all comes back to the coach unfortunately. How good did people think a caretaker coach was going to be? You can't even really blame valkanas for what has happened, he didn't want to be put in this position. CFG are the ones at fault here first, by putting an incompetent coach at the head in the first place and secondly, for having no replacement for him when JVS left during the season. While I totally agree with you, I don't understand how Valkanis didn't learn anything under Gombau and Amor, and just kept the JVS way. Surely he wasn't restricted to a point where he couldn't have any freedom to implement anything he had been taught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffplz Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) Some perspective from a Sydney fan City played a smart tactical game against us, at times they were playing a 3-1-7 keeping pressure on us to stop us playing out, Franjic stayed so far us Ninko was basically playing LB to stop him. In the end they couldnt keep it up for the entire match and we ended up breaking through. Its an excellent example of exposing our weaknesses though, keep your wingers high to get in behind our full backs, push your full backs up to keep ninko and Holosko penned back. Make us play long balls out, and have a decent keeper to assist in playing out of the back. As much as Bozanus is not the best shot stopper, his ability to play almost as a CB when in possession effectively stops our press, that extra player meant Brosque and Bobo were just chasing the wind for large parts of the game. In the second half they sat further back to prevent passes into the midfield which was a better change for us. But i can see the Bozanus style keeper being the norm in a few years Edited April 3, 2017 by jeffplz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 ... yet we lost 3 nil. Ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Torn Asunder said: ... yet we lost 3 nil. Ouch The problem was that we were disorganised defensively for Zullo's throw in, he would have scored a goal from the throw anyway if Brosque hadn't deflected it. We then had no Plan B and kept trying Plan 1a, that was plan A but push up higher, if we want to be a possession based team then you regain control of the game by regaining and keeping possession especially against a gegenpresse team like the smurfs. You can see the effect of this poor movement off the ball by the number of times we had a midfielder dispossessed because he kept the ball too long as there were no passing options or the number of times the ball was crossed to nobody and was cut off by the first defender Our other problem was at the other end where we created no space for Bruno with poor movement off the ball from the other forwards and no real number 10, Caceras would have done better than Colazo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 3 hours ago, jeffplz said: In terms of our squad balance, recruitment, selections, leadership and tactics this season, heads need to role. Quick question, what would you have done about any of these problems after our FFA cup win? So far at that point in the season, squad balance, recruitment, selections and leadership were actually looking very good. What solutions could you provide halfway thru a season? No it wasn't. We were still marginal in defence. Since which time we've lost Chapman to Korea, Jakobsen to injury and our supposed marquee left back to poor form. The only plus has been the discovery of Tongyik. We were always foolish to rely on Malik as a central defender. Brattan was also in form at that point, so we had something akin to a functioning midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 If you look at goals conceded for the season we are pretty average. The big difference between this and last season is our much lower scoring efficiency. We quite rightly complain about our defence but it's our forwards that have really not performed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fensaddler Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 1 hour ago, belaguttman said: If you look at goals conceded for the season we are pretty average. The big difference between this and last season is our much lower scoring efficiency. We quite rightly complain about our defence but it's our forwards that have really not performed Our defence was pretty porous last season. It was just bailed out by about the best attack in A-league history... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 57 minutes ago, fensaddler said: Our defence was pretty porous last season. It was just bailed out by about the best attack in A-league history... Mooy alone. 20 something assists and 10 or so goals. Big loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted April 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 6 hours ago, playmaker said: While I totally agree with you, I don't understand how Valkanis didn't learn anything under Gombau and Amor, and just kept the JVS way. Surely he wasn't restricted to a point where he couldn't have any freedom to implement anything he had been taught. True, but being a head coach from an assistant coach is such a step up. Take into account he didn't have the chance to spend the off-season with the team, getting the team use to this tactics and so forth. He was thruted into the roll half way into the season when lets be honest, the team was going down. He was essentially handed the keys to the titanic after it hit the ice berg. Now that does not excuse him of all blame however, i don't know what people expect from an interim coach with no head coaching experience to take as anywhere. We would like to think he would have freedom to implement some of the things he has been taught but remember, CFG have a very strict way they want their teams to be playing, so i would imagine he would just be doing what he is being told rather then doing what he wants. No need to worry however, 3 more games and we can start again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, kingofhearts said: Now that does not excuse him of all blame however, i don't know what people expect from an interim coach with no head coaching experience to take as anywhere. What I expected was just basic logical thinking and in paticular team selection. Now barring undisclosed injuries some of his selections have been baffling. I was very optimistic about how Valkanis would go but from what he has done so far it's a fail. And I think his future aspirations of becoming a successful head coach will be pretty much zero. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 1 hour ago, fensaddler said: Our defence was pretty porous last season. It was just bailed out by about the best attack in A-league history... Our defence was terrible last season, this year it has improved to average. Our attack has become much worse, most games we've struggled to score more than 2 goals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 4 hours ago, belaguttman said: The problem was that we were disorganised defensively for Zullo's throw in, he would have scored a goal from the throw anyway if Brosque hadn't deflected it. We then had no Plan B and kept trying Plan 1a, that was plan A but push up higher, if we want to be a possession based team then you regain control of the game by regaining and keeping possession especially against a gegenpresse team like the smurfs. You can see the effect of this poor movement off the ball by the number of times we had a midfielder dispossessed because he kept the ball too long as there were no passing options or the number of times the ball was crossed to nobody and was cut off by the first defender Our other problem was at the other end where we created no space for Bruno with poor movement off the ball from the other forwards and no real number 10, Caceras would have done better than Colazo Slipping since you died @belaguttman? Can't score direct from a throw in. Anyway that was best described as a "school boy goal". Complete disgrace. To me we were great in the first half, definitely the better side. Just needed to keep it tight in the 2nd and look for a set piece (not much else getting past that defence), instead well we got handed our heads. Not sure what exactly happened but it seemed we got swamped in midfield. Need the gaffer to react, probably sub Cahill & Genreau at about 60, but alas we just went to "deer in the spotlights" on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 12 hours ago, Shahanga said: Slipping since you died @belaguttman? Can't score direct from a throw in. True, what I meant was that it was heading into the goal anyway, as you say a schoolboy goal to concede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffplz Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Who can we blame for players being unable to shoot the ball into the goal? I'd love to see a stat of how many shots we've had on target throughout the season cause I reckon if even 50% of those went in, we'd be in a much much better situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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