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Don't bring me into this.

Tesla
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Thanks for asking @hakz7.   Turkey claims to be a secular country, but the separation of politics and religion is suspect. Novillo likes to drink, eat pork, beat his woman, engage in

Shahanga
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life ban please. (tony humour should have an element of surprise, it's not funny the 1000th time)

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4 hours ago, Tesla said:

Fuck me.

I know Turkey is supposedly a secular country, but Novillo's lifestyle is more haram than tomato sauce on a kebab. He will probably provoke an ISIS attack on Manisaspor's stadium, and Erdogan hardly needs an excuse to invade Syria. There will inevitably be an 'accidental' downing of a Russian jet, which Putin won't let slide a second time so nekminut Russia's flattening Turkey like it's 1877. Of course that that will trigger Turkey's NATO allies to come to the party, and next thing you know Archduke Novillo has caused WW3.

Meanwhile Novillo is loving the whole thing since he is such a narcissist. 

What did I just read?..

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38 minutes ago, hakz7 said:

What did I just read?..

Thanks for asking @hakz7.

 

5 hours ago, Tesla said:

I know Turkey is supposedly a secular country, but Novillo's lifestyle is more haram than tomato sauce on a kebab.

Turkey claims to be a secular country, but the separation of politics and religion is suspect.

Novillo likes to drink, eat pork, beat his woman, engage in premarital sexual intercourse with his woman, and engage in narcissistic self-serving crap, all haram.

A kebab is a halal food, but putting tomato sauce on it instead of acceptable sauces like garlic sauce or chilli sauce, makes it haram.

 

5 hours ago, Tesla said:

He will probably provoke an ISIS attack on Manisaspor's stadium, and Erdogan hardly needs an excuse to invade Syria.

ISIS is a Wahhabi terrorist group. Wahhabisim is an ultraconservative fundamentalist branch of Sunni Islam. They take haram acts very seriously. Novillo angers them and so they will target his team's stadium.

Erdogan sees the ongoing conflict in Syria as an opportunity to attack the Kurds. He can also basically do what he wants since Turkey is geopolitically an extremely important country right now and so the West gives them a free pass. No one would stop him even if he launched an all out genocide in Syria against the Kurds, but if he can play the 'fighting ISIS terrorists that attacked my country' card in a thinly veiled attempt to cover up what would predominantly be attacks on Kurds rather than ISIS it legitimises his actions a little more.

 

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There will inevitably be an 'accidental' downing of a Russian jet, which Putin won't let slide a second time so nekminut Russia's flattening Turkey like it's 1877.

Russia and Turkey don't like each other. Their beef goes way back. There are about 23946239572345 wars between them. One of those wars was in 1877 which Russia won.

Earlier this year Turkey downed a Russian jet as they continue to assert their geopolitical importance and play the Free Pass that they have to basically do what they want currently. But Putin doesn't fuck around, I doubt a second such attack will go unanswered.

Turkey have what's probably a top 10 military in the world, but Russia is one of the few nations with a stronger military plus if all else fails they have nukes, so it's safe to say in a one nation vs one nation combat Russia would hold the upper hand.

 

5 hours ago, Tesla said:

Of course that that will trigger Turkey's NATO allies to come to the party, and next thing you know Archduke Novillo has caused WW3.

Turkey is part of the NATO alliance. The alliance requires members to come to the defence of other members if they are attacked. This alliance is all that protects Eastern Europe from being swallowed up by Putin.

As difficult as it is to imagine a US/West vs Russia war, allowing an attack on a NATO member to go unanswered and therefore completely dissolve the integrity of the alliance is just as hard to imagine, so WW3 is a likely outcome of a Russian attack on a NATO member.

Archduke Franz Ferdinand was the reason for WWI starting, since in this scenario Novillo is the cause of WW3 starting, I have given him the title Archduke.

 

Also it's the offseason and without unlikely, but somewhat believable, scenarios of Novillo's departure leading to WW3 I really don't know what else there would be left to say in this thread.

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6 hours ago, Murfy1 said:

A few points:

- After so many seasons with this club watching nice guys that couldn't perform on the pitch, I was happy to watch Novillo perform, and even star, on the pitch

- Even though Novillo missed about a third of the season--half through injury and half through suspensions--he still scored 10 goals and provided 4 assists. And that's what attacking players should be judged on: their output. Further, if last season was a "bad" and "disrupted" season from Novillo, providing 14 goals is a damn good return (imagine if he had started 27 over the season instead of 20)

- I don't really get why people talk about how A-League players did or would fare in Europe. Does it matter? If they play for us, they play in the A-League in Australia (take Fornaroli, for whatever reasons he didn't make it in Europe, but he's an absolute star in the A-League. So who cares how he would go in Europe, as long as he can star for us?)

- It will be difficult to find another salary cap player with a lot of x-factor. And not only are players with x-factor important for the team, they also are important drawcards for crowds too. I can't think of many other players that this club has had that would wow neutrals and newcomers like Novillo

- The club has a huge amount of recruiting to do. We've lost Wilkinson, Kisnorbo, Zullo, Novillo and are set to lose Mooy. That's roughly half of our ideal starting team from last season. With pre-season starting in 4 or so days (Monday), it's time for the club to put Novillo's transfer fee, as well as the club's other resources to use, to secure quality starting players for next season

 

Disappointed to lose Novillo. I'm doubtful our competitors (such as WSW and victory) would have willingly moved on a player like Novillo, and I do wonder if the club has a "holier-than-thou" approach that requires all its players to foremost be good blokes (which was one of Heart's main problems: a team full of good guys that couldn't produce competitive winning football). Anyway, as long as CFG unearths new very talented players all is forgiven. I'm just getting weary that the club has made a situation where it's got too much recruiting to do for next season, which it's completing too late. Time to start balancing out the player exits with player arrivals.

Totally agree with your first three and the fifth points.

On the fourth point, I remain optimistic. Not only did CFG unearth three players over two seasons that had the X factor in Novillo, Fornaroli and Sorensson, but also PG found Castro, and WSW found a pair of Spaniards. I just think that it comes down to the scouting network and I think that CFG have a very good network.

On your closing paragraph, IIRC Melb City noted that the domestic violence issue was only part of the reason for the suspension. It was reported that Novillo also turned up late for training on more than one occasion and had attitude issues on the training pitch. So it wasn't just about being a 'good guy', it also had to do with being a professional - and as people have noted this is fourth club and he has had a falling out with all them.

And you are also right that in every season we have a large turn over of players. I can understand retirements, I can understand peripheral players, I can even understand young players with potential looking to get more game time. However, this is now a recurring pattern for the club and this also means that the pre-season training starts with too few players leading to poor starts to the season.

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9 hours ago, Murfy1 said:

 

- Even though Novillo missed about a third of the season--half through injury and half through suspensions--he still scored 10 goals and provided 4 assists. And that's what attacking players should be judged on: their output. Further, if last season was a "bad" and "disrupted" season from Novillo, providing 14 goals is a damn good return (imagine if he had started 27 over the season instead of 20)

That's all well and good, but you are ignoring the fact that he wasn't on the pitch in the finals and his destructive attitude effected the teams performance when it mattered.

You need your best players on the pitch with team solidarity to win the silverware and with Harry it wasn't possible. 

Anyway, silverware is won by systems and work with quality players on the pitch which can only succeed with team unity. Harry was never going to buy into that, which is the reason he couldn't  get a contract in Europe and came to us in the first place.

We don't need players that are best on the pitch one week and not turn up the next. That's not how you win silverware.

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That's all well and good, but you are ignoring the fact that he wasn't on the pitch in the finals and his destructive attitude effected the teams performance when it mattered.

You need your best players on the pitch with team solidarity to win the silverware and with Harry it wasn't possible. 

Anyway, silverware is won by systems and work with quality players on the pitch which can only succeed with team unity. Harry was never going to buy into that, which is the reason he couldn't  get a contract in Europe and came to us in the first place.

We don't need players that are best on the pitch one week and not turn up the next. That's not how you win silverware.

Yet you thought we needed Koren...

Hmmmm....

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39 minutes ago, Shahanga said:

So @thisphantomfortress Any idea what the story was?

1. Harry being shown the door due to behaviour

2. Harry being sold because he was agitating for more money or a move and CFG wanted to capitalise on an asset?

3. Bit of both?

From an offhand conversation in Adelaide I think number 1 mostly

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Harry wasn't in the Manisaspor squad for their 1-1 draw last night. Despite everything, his off-field antics and his erratic performances on the field, I think he's the player we will miss the most. Will never understand him - we gave him the chance to rebuild his life and his career, but he blew it. Sad.

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9 hours ago, jw1739 said:

Harry wasn't in the Manisaspor squad for their 1-1 draw last night. Despite everything, his off-field antics and his erratic performances on the field, I think he's the player we will miss the most. Will never understand him - we gave him the chance to rebuild his life and his career, but he blew it. Sad.

http://www.manisadabugun.com/spor/manisasporda-transfer-yasagi-kalkti-isimler-tffye-islendi-h13995.html

"Yabancı oyuncuların isimlerinin ise yazışma işlemleri uzun sürdüğü için yarın oynanacak Ümraniye maçına yetişmeyeceği öğrenildi. Buna göre Manisaspor’da İsmail Şahmalı ile Dimov siyah-beyazlı formayla ilk maçlarına çıkacaklar. Ozan Sol’da forma giyecek isimler arasında olacak. Tercihi Antrenör Osman Bilik yapacak. Yabancı transferlerden Novillo, Bakaki, Konde ise 3.haftada oynanacak Eskişehirspor maçıyla sahaya çıkacak."

They're basically saying that the suspension for foreign players was lifted before the match against Umraniyespor, but because Manisa took too long to submit which players will be in the squad, they weren't allowed to play against Umraniye. The last sentence says that Novillo, amongst others, will play in 3 weeks against Eskisehirspor.

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Perhaps we should bring him back to City on the non-playing staff for six months, get him fit and try and get his head right, and then sign him as a player on a monthly contract with strict behaviour clauses. He would occupy a visa place only while registered as a player with us. 

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