mattyh001 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) i am wondering if Murdocca is back this week. would like to think he'll come off the bench, but by god is own depth down at the moment!!! my XI Redmayne Wielaart Kisnorbo Hoffman Ramsey Paartalu Kalmar Retre Duff Dugandzic Williams Bench: Velaphi, Archibald, Melling, Murdocca, Brown, Marino (with one to be omitted) as good as Melling went last week, i'm not fully convinced that JVS will want to start him outright yet. that being said, a bit could hinge on Murdocca; could see Murdocca starting with Retre out all together. Retre just hasnt looked with it, which really sucks given this is his second season in a senior capacity think Kalmar could start given the lack of depth / concerns over Murdocca's fitness / need for some more senior experience in relation to Melling and Retre. Kalmar is way too inconsistent, but with Paartalu in the DM spot then Kalmar will benefit massively. i cant remember a time when Kalmar was in the midfield and there was a pure DM in behind - for the most part i though Engelaar was used in a more attacking position in midfield as opposed to an out and out DM spot. anyways, it should free up Kalmar a fair bit - and hopefully make him a bit more consistent and allow his flair to come out more. Edited November 9, 2014 by mattyh001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriente Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Kalmar excels when he's given time on the ball. Under any kind of pressure he goes full retard. Reckon he might go alright against a struggling CCM outfit who are unlikely to do anything but sit back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Kalmar excels when he's given time on the ball. Under any kind of pressure he goes full retard. Reckon he might go alright against a struggling CCM outfit who are unlikely to do anything but sit back. Because he's so bloody slow. Has played one decent game in four seasons. So many midfielders - half of them injured, and two on international duty. Has to be Melling and James Brown for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Brown used to play that attacking midfield role when he was at Gold Coast so I can see him getting that gig in Mooy's absence this weekend. Melling surely has to come in for Retre after his outstanding performance off the bench, and Marino will be used as an impact sub again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) Redmayne Wielaart Kisnorbo Hoffman Ramsey Paartalu Melling/Kalmar Dugandzic Brown Duff Williams Dugandzic has done OK in the play maker role. Two DM's as he is too much a light weight and needs that cover. Time we played Duff in the position where he has played in the EPL and for his country. Edited November 9, 2014 by Kiro Kompiro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Duff has played in both positions in the EPL, both on the right and on the left. I think playing Duga in the centre especially when his form is so up and down at the moment is not a smart move I don't think. I would rather Brown and Melling as our attacking midfielders as we need speed and strength in those areas, strength being something Duga lacks. Let him play on the wing where he is most dangerous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I will be seriously annoyed if after clearly seeing how much better we played without Murdocca destroying all our moves forward... JVS brings him straight back into the side. I am also still in shock from the Roar fan that I saw who had the bloke's name on the back of his kit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Yep nothing personal against the bloke, tries his guts out and can play a certain role for the team but at the same time I'm glad he's finally being outed on here as a hindrance to the team after flying under the radar for so long. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I am also still in shock from the Roar fan that I saw who had the bloke's name on the back of his kit. He was a key player when he was at Brisbane and quite popular with the roar fans so it's not that surprising Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I am also still in shock from the Roar fan that I saw who had the bloke's name on the back of his kit. He was a key player when he was at Brisbane and quite popular with the roar fans so it's not that surprising Fair enough - I barely ever keep up with what is happening at other clubs as it does not interest me. I guess we saw Fred go from being a Dynamic CM to someone who started to struggle with the pace of the league in a very short period of time so its very conceivable that the same happened with Massimo just before he arrived at MHFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I am also still in shock from the Roar fan that I saw who had the bloke's name on the back of his kit. He was a key player when he was at Brisbane and quite popular with the roar fans so it's not that surprising Fair enough - I barely ever keep up with what is happening at other clubs as it does not interest me. I guess we saw Fred go from being a Dynamic CM to someone who started to struggle with the pace of the league in a very short period of time so its very conceivable that the same happened with Massimo just before he arrived at MHFC. Yeah. I am the same. I don't really pay close enough attention to other clubs to know the ins and outs. I just remember when he signed for us reading quite a few articles about how important he was at the Roar and how upset fans were to see him go. So not really sure what happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Cain Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) I'd say it's more likely that he plays fairly similarly to how he did at Brisbane, but that his teammates and the system that he has to play within are now far inferior (reducing the impact of his strengths and highlighting his weaknesses). Should probably be in the Murdocca thread, but I think he's being overly criticised. Edited November 10, 2014 by Herman Cain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I hate using Ramsay at left back, but it seems our coach is silly enough to persevere with him. I thought using the Gooch instead of Retre might be a better way to go in the midfield...hoping that Murdocca is still injured: Redmayne Hoffman - Kisnorbo - Wieleart - Ramsay Paartalu Melling - Garuccio Duff - Dugandzic Williams Bench: Velaphi, Archibald, Kalmar, Brown, Marino Unavailable: Mooy, Mauk, Murdocca, Koren, Germano, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I am also still in shock from the Roar fan that I saw who had the bloke's name on the back of his kit. He was a key player when he was at Brisbane and quite popular with the roar fans so it's not that surprising Fair enough - I barely ever keep up with what is happening at other clubs as it does not interest me. I guess we saw Fred go from being a Dynamic CM to someone who started to struggle with the pace of the league in a very short period of time so its very conceivable that the same happened with Massimo just before he arrived at MHFC. Yeah. I am the same. I don't really pay close enough attention to other clubs to know the ins and outs. I just remember when he signed for us reading quite a few articles about how important he was at the Roar and how upset fans were to see him go. So not really sure what happened IMO there's a tendency for clubs to sign players based on their reputations rather than on how well their particular skills will fit in with the rest of the squad they are joining. There are plenty of multi-million dollar flops out there in the top leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I hate using Ramsay at left back, but it seems our coach is silly enough to persevere with him. I thought using the Gooch instead of Retre might be a better way to go in the midfield...hoping that Murdocca is still injured: Redmayne Hoffman - Kisnorbo - Wieleart - Ramsay Paartalu Melling - Garuccio Duff - Dugandzic Williams Bench: Velaphi, Archibald, Kalmar, Brown, Marino Unavailable: Mooy, Mauk, Murdocca, Koren, Germano, etc... I think that's a bit unfair, as we saw germano did replace Ramsey until he did his hamstring and Garrucio I'm not sure what happenned to him but he wasn't on the bench on Saturday either was he? So were pretty limited there and it was good enough to get the result. I'd say it's more likely that he plays fairly similarly to how he did at Brisbane, but that his teammates and the system that he has to play within are now far inferior (reducing the impact of his strengths and highlighting his weaknesses). Should probably be in the Murdocca thread, but I think he's being overly criticised. Difference is murdocca was being played as a sort of playmaker compared to his time at the roar. Not that I paid too much attention to him while he was at the Roar but I'd imagine his first touch and ability with the ball didn't just magically change when he came to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 The problem that we have is that we don't have any left backs in the squad at all. We have a number of players who can play at left back but that isn't the same thing. The problem with Ramsay & Garuccio is that they are often positioned so poorly that they pull the whole defence out of shape as someone else has to provide defensive cover. Hoffman's positioning is better although he's turned too often and requires backup as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I hate using Ramsay at left back, but it seems our coach is silly enough to persevere with him. I thought using the Gooch instead of Retre might be a better way to go in the midfield...hoping that Murdocca is still injured: Redmayne Hoffman - Kisnorbo - Wieleart - Ramsay Paartalu Melling - Garuccio Duff - Dugandzic Williams Bench: Velaphi, Archibald, Kalmar, Brown, Marino Unavailable: Mooy, Mauk, Murdocca, Koren, Germano, etc... I think that's a bit unfair, as we saw germano did replace Ramsey until he did his hamstring and Garrucio I'm not sure what happenned to him but he wasn't on the bench on Saturday either was he? So were pretty limited there and it was good enough to get the result. I missed what you think is unfair; replacing Retre with Garuccio? Or saying that I hate using Ramsay at left back? I've always seen Retre as more of a defensive midfielder, which is probably why he didn't 'perform' where JvS played him on Sat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melbournelad55 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 id give james brown a start. He has some huge upside. Obviously a few disappointing seasons for him, partly due to injuries but i remember him playing for Gold coast Utd, he use to kill it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Why does everyone believe that Kalmar should just slot right back into the starting 11? I understand we are short of players but has he even made a final squad this season? I don't even think he was even playing in the youth league last week, theres no way this guy goes from not playing at all to certain starter.He is going to be so underdone it would just be silly to even bring him into the squad and have him on the bench. Has to be Melling that comes in for Mooys spot based on his performance from last week. Can ramsay play two decent games in a row at lb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melbournelad55 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) we wont be playing melling and retre both in central mid (due to inexperience), so kalmar or duff central will replace mooy. Can Brown play centrally? How did people view retre's game v brisbane? Edited November 10, 2014 by melbournelad55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I realise we have very limited options this week due to forces out of own control, but does anyone else get an instant feeling of deflation when Nick Kalmar enters the field of play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmelbcity Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I realise we have very limited options this week due to forces out of own control, but does anyone else get an instant feeling of deflation when Nick Kalmar enters the field of play? I have an instant deflation whenever the name Nick kalmar is brought up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biancorosso7 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 If JvS had any balls, he'd come out with something completely different, maybe Erik Melling Dugandzic Duff Marino Williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmelbcity Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 If JvS had any balls, he'd come out with something completely different, maybe Erik Melling Dugandzic Duff Marino Williams Let's hope he has no balls then, duganzic gets moved back into his winger position finishes with one goal and one assist and you want to move him out. And why all the excitement about Marino he scored a tap in let's talk about the young lad once he has proven a bit more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 If JvS had any balls, he'd come out with something completely different, maybe Erik Melling Dugandzic Duff Marino Williams Let's hope he has no balls then, duganzic gets moved back into his winger position finishes with one goal and one assist and you want to move him out. And why all the excitement about Marino he scored a tap in let's talk about the young lad once he has proven a bit more. Excuse me but nobody talks about Marino "Messi" like that. I can't dislike what you said so I'll just like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I hate using Ramsay at left back, but it seems our coach is silly enough to persevere with him. I thought using the Gooch instead of Retre might be a better way to go in the midfield...hoping that Murdocca is still injured: Redmayne Hoffman - Kisnorbo - Wieleart - Ramsay Paartalu Melling - Garuccio Duff - Dugandzic Williams Bench: Velaphi, Archibald, Kalmar, Brown, Marino Unavailable: Mooy, Mauk, Murdocca, Koren, Germano, etc... I think that's a bit unfair, as we saw germano did replace Ramsey until he did his hamstring and Garrucio I'm not sure what happenned to him but he wasn't on the bench on Saturday either was he? So were pretty limited there and it was good enough to get the result. I missed what you think is unfair; replacing Retre with Garuccio? Or saying that I hate using Ramsay at left back? I've always seen Retre as more of a defensive midfielder, which is probably why he didn't 'perform' where JvS played him on Sat. Well you said that our coach is silly enough to persevere with Ramsay at left back so my response was that that's a bit harsh considering he has used both Germano and Garruccio in that position to replace Ramsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I hate using Ramsay at left back, but it seems our coach is silly enough to persevere with him. I thought using the Gooch instead of Retre might be a better way to go in the midfield...hoping that Murdocca is still injured: Redmayne Hoffman - Kisnorbo - Wieleart - Ramsay Paartalu Melling - Garuccio Duff - Dugandzic Williams Bench: Velaphi, Archibald, Kalmar, Brown, Marino Unavailable: Mooy, Mauk, Murdocca, Koren, Germano, etc... I think that's a bit unfair, as we saw germano did replace Ramsey until he did his hamstring and Garrucio I'm not sure what happenned to him but he wasn't on the bench on Saturday either was he? So were pretty limited there and it was good enough to get the result. I missed what you think is unfair; replacing Retre with Garuccio? Or saying that I hate using Ramsay at left back? I've always seen Retre as more of a defensive midfielder, which is probably why he didn't 'perform' where JvS played him on Sat. Well you said that our coach is silly enough to persevere with Ramsay at left back so my response was that that's a bit harsh considering he has used both Germano and Garruccio in that position to replace Ramsey. Obviously he has to play someone there and since Germano is injured and Garuccio (is not selected for whatever reason), he is silly for not trying out one of the youth left backs or signing a competent left back who is an experienced defender and doesn't look like a fish out of water, i.e. Ramsay! If he continues to not realise that Ramsay is a terrible left back and insist on playing him there hoping the result will change then he's not just silly, he's crazy! It's like last season when Aloisi kept justifying losing because, "We're playing Williams out of position as the number 10" and "Williams isn't a No. 10", but he continued to play him as a No. 10...crazy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 If JvS had any balls, he'd come out with something completely different, maybe Erik Melling Dugandzic Duff Marino Williams Let's hope he has no balls then, duganzic gets moved back into his winger position finishes with one goal and one assist and you want to move him out. And why all the excitement about Marino he scored a tap in let's talk about the young lad once he has proven a bit more. Well the only way we are going to find out about Marino is by playing him. And also the excitement comes in because over the seasons supporters have seen many a tap being shanked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) If JvS had any balls, he'd come out with something completely different, maybe Erik Melling Dugandzic Duff Marino Williams Let's hope he has no balls then, duganzic gets moved back into his winger position finishes with one goal and one assist and you want to move him out. And why all the excitement about Marino he scored a tap in let's talk about the young lad once he has proven a bit more. Well the only way we are going to find out about Marino is by playing him. And also the excitement comes in because over the seasons supporters have seen many a tap being shanked. Looks like the old #startwalker gang has found their new man... And FWIW if you really want to develop the #yoof that is Marino, easily the worst possible way at going around it would be to start this underdeveloped kid at CF in his first year of Professional Football too soon... it is akin to running an underdeveloped Colt in the graveyard that is the VRC Derby. Edited November 10, 2014 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Agree about playing them too early. If the young ones had come on and missed their goals, some on hear would be baying for their blood. Luckily they didn't. But was their performance good luck, actual brilliance, youthful exuberance or what? It is a very fine line between being successful and being a dud. I for one would after "blooding" them give them more minutes when the game is not at stake and giving them more time to show their worth and have them reproduce the performance rather than just starting them into it immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Williams actually chased and harried up front last week, which was one of his main attributes at NQF but he's never really brought that with him down south. Keep the lad up top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Williams actually chased and harried up front last week, which was one of his main attributes at NQF but he's never really brought that with him down south. Keep the lad up top. That was the work of our new... Pressure, Pressure, Pressure Coach in the stands. Edited November 10, 2014 by cadete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 not going to a pretty match parking of the bus from the first minute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) I hate using Ramsay at left back, but it seems our coach is silly enough to persevere with him. I thought using the Gooch instead of Retre might be a better way to go in the midfield...hoping that Murdocca is still injured:Redmayne Hoffman - Kisnorbo - Wieleart - Ramsay Paartalu Melling - Garuccio Duff - Dugandzic Williams Bench: Velaphi, Archibald, Kalmar, Brown, Marino Unavailable: Mooy, Mauk, Murdocca, Koren, Germano, etc...I think that's a bit unfair, as we saw germano did replace Ramsey until he did his hamstring and Garrucio I'm not sure what happenned to him but he wasn't on the bench on Saturday either was he? So were pretty limited there and it was good enough to get the result.I missed what you think is unfair; replacing Retre with Garuccio? Or saying that I hate using Ramsay at left back? I've always seen Retre as more of a defensive midfielder, which is probably why he didn't 'perform' where JvS played him on Sat. Well you said that our coach is silly enough to persevere with Ramsay at left back so my response was that that's a bit harsh considering he has used both Germano and Garruccio in that position to replace Ramsey.Obviously he has to play someone there and since Germano is injured and Garuccio (is not selected for whatever reason), he is silly for not trying out one of the youth left backs or signing a competent left back who is an experienced defender and doesn't look like a fish out of water, i.e. Ramsay! If he continues to not realise that Ramsay is a terrible left back and insist on playing him there hoping the result will change then he's not just silly, he's crazy! It's like last season when Aloisi kept justifying losing because, "We're playing Williams out of position as the number 10" and "Williams isn't a No. 10", but he continued to play him as a No. 10...crazy! So you think that JVS doesnt see Ramsey as a poor option for left back? I have no doubt at all JVS sees Ramsey as a poor option for left back. Hence why he has attempted to replace him with two players since the derby. Now for whatever reason Garruccio wasn't played on Saturday, not sure why but I would assume there must be a justified reason for it. As for why a descent left back wasn't signed that goes back to who's responsible for that, JVS, Didulica or people behind the scenes at the club. We don't know the answer although it's easy to assume it's the coaches fault. Of our left backs in the youth league though who would you put in Ramseys place? Who have you seen that is performing better than Ramsey? Are they ready for aleague level of football? What are they performing like on the practise pitch/ during matches? Have you been to watch many matches to see if they're consistently playing well? Unfortunately it's the easiest job in the world to watch 90 minutes of football and be critical, and as supporters we have every right to. But if we can't answer all of those questions above with any accuracy then how can we make decisions based on assumptions that because a player isn't performing well someone else, anyone else, would simply be better. Edited November 10, 2014 by n i k o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Agree about playing them too early. If the young ones had come on and missed their goals, some on hear would be baying for their blood. Luckily they didn't. But was their performance good luck, actual brilliance, youthful exuberance or what? It is a very fine line between being successful and being a dud. I for one would after "blooding" them give them more minutes when the game is not at stake and giving them more time to show their worth and have them reproduce the performance rather than just starting them into it immediately. Marino's finish was not luck. His was a striker's finish Those "easy tap ins" are far from easy. The hardest part is getting your timing right so that you meet the ball at the right time which is coming at you at pace and at 90 degrees to your motion and where you need it end up, and stay on-side. I had one go at it in a real game once upon a time, and was promptly put back in the middle at half time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 tap ins are always team goals. I hope that we score lots of tap ins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Agree about playing them too early. If the young ones had come on and missed their goals, some on hear would be baying for their blood. Luckily they didn't. But was their performance good luck, actual brilliance, youthful exuberance or what? It is a very fine line between being successful and being a dud. I for one would after "blooding" them give them more minutes when the game is not at stake and giving them more time to show their worth and have them reproduce the performance rather than just starting them into it immediately. Marino's finish was not luck. His was a striker's finish Those "easy tap ins" are far from easy. The hardest part is getting your timing right so that you meet the ball at the right time which is coming at you at pace and at 90 degrees to your motion and where you need it end up, and stay on-side. I had one go at it in a real game once upon a time, and was promptly put back in the middle at half time. He is arguing against throwing Marino into the deep end... not knocking his ability which obv has everyone excited So you seriously think we should start Marino? Edited November 11, 2014 by cadete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Seeing as Williams scored his position doesn't warrant being lost to Marino. Williams should be started and Marino should still be a sub. Same with Melling, although if it came down to Retre or Melling I'd be giving the later the nod to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 To maintain the confidence I would keep the same team from Brisbane game and have Kalmar replace Mooy. That means Retre Kalmar Paartalu. Wow. 0:0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadete Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Seeing as Williams scored his position doesn't warrant being lost to Marino. Williams should be started and Marino should still be a sub. Same with Melling, although if it came down to Retre or Melling I'd be giving the later the nod to start. I am hardly a Williams Fanboy and even I think his performance against Brisbane warrants reselection... the only way I can see us winning this game without Mooy (And Koren) is by sitting back again and relying on Williams speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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