Red or Dead Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 He was not a threat! A threat is someone who can actually have a chance of scoring...he proved on Sunday that he does not have any chance of scoring even in front of an open goal. Other than that his positioning I thought was wrong a lot of the time too. He is just not up to A-League standard at least not up the standard which warrants a starting spot and as the Heart/City builds a better team with better players, Ramsay's shortfalls are becoming more evident by each game. This team is improving, but he's holding us back big-time and we won't be winning a championship with Ramsay in the squad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommac Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Look, I honestly don't rate Ramsay at all ( and totally agree about his annoying stepovers, lack of vision etc etc)- but, having seen the lack of quality of a number of players in our team (and questioning how they ever became professional footballers) and the chances that Williams has missed over the past few seasons , I think some of the way-too-harsh stuff being said on here about Ramsay is over the top. I still think as far as his possible level of play goes- Sunday was one of his better games, despite the miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Look, I honestly don't rate Ramsay at all ( and totally agree about his annoying stepovers, lack of vision etc etc)- but, having seen the lack of quality of a number of players in our team (and questioning how they ever became professional footballers) and the chances that Williams has missed over the past few seasons , I think some of the way-too-harsh stuff being said on here about Ramsay is over the top. I still think as far as his possible level of play goes- Sunday was one of his better games, despite the miss. I actually disagree. The fact that during other games he hasn't got into scoring positions or positions he can assist a goal has almost hidden these shortfalls he has as a footballer. He would have been better off not getting into these positions on Sunday because now 'everyone' can see how poor he is. So I would say for him this game was one of his worst, and I wouldn't doubt he would feel the same. Williams proved why he is useful with the run he made where he gave Ramsey the assist he missed. Williams also scored 12 goals last season yet Ramsey hasn't even got close. Many are hard on Williams but it's becasue he could dominate this league if he made use of his opportunities. Ramsey unfortunately isn't on the same level as Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 He was not a threat! A threat is someone who can actually have a chance of scoring...he proved on Sunday that he does not have any chance of scoring even in front of an open goal. Other than that his positioning I thought was wrong a lot of the time too. He is just not up to A-League standard at least not up the standard which warrants a starting spot and as the Heart/City builds a better team with better players, Ramsay's shortfalls are becoming more evident by each game. This team is improving, but he's holding us back big-time and we won't be winning a championship with Ramsay in the squad. He was a threat ... to Melbourne City and the sanity of the supporters 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Cap him before the Philippines get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 The worst thing for me is that as a Winger he is incapable of crossing the ball past the first defender. It always hits the rb and goes for a corner or turnover of possession. Thats one of the basic jobs of a winger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Look, I honestly don't rate Ramsay at all ( and totally agree about his annoying stepovers, lack of vision etc etc)- but, having seen the lack of quality of a number of players in our team (and questioning how they ever became professional footballers) and the chances that Williams has missed over the past few seasons , I think some of the way-too-harsh stuff being said on here about Ramsay is over the top. I still think as far as his possible level of play goes- Sunday was one of his better games, despite the miss. I actually disagree. The fact that during other games he hasn't got into scoring positions or positions he can assist a goal has almost hidden these shortfalls he has as a footballer. He would have been better off not getting into these positions on Sunday because now 'everyone' can see how poor he is. So I would say for him this game was one of his worst, and I wouldn't doubt he would feel the same. Williams proved why he is useful with the run he made where he gave Ramsey the assist he missed. Williams also scored 12 goals last season yet Ramsey hasn't even got close. Many are hard on Williams but it's becasue he could dominate this league if he made use of his opportunities. Ramsey unfortunately isn't on the same level as Williams. To be fair to Ramsay though, David Williams only scored 1 goal in his 1st season at the club as well (Williams couldn't even break into the team that often, with him playing only a bit more than half of the season). Yes Ramsay did play a lot more minutes, but Williams was in a much better team that even made the finals, whereas Ramsay played his 1st season at the club in a horrible team that finished dead last and seemed to have some deep-seated cultural and mentality problems. And in Williams' second season he only scored 5 goals. Ramsay actually scored the same amount of goals at Adelaide in the season before he joined us, and he scored those goals in less minutes than Williams (Ramsay scored 5 over 1716 minutes in 2012/13, whereas Williams scored his 5 over 1811 minutes in 2012/13). So if Ramsay was to have a breakout season next season, and get lots of goals or assists or whatever (comparable with Williams last season), then they'd be pretty much the same: taking till their 3rd season to justify a spot at the club. Of course, the club shouldn't be waiting til a player's 3rd season to see if he can perform, but that's what happened with Williams, and IMO too many players at this club only kept their spots due to promise and not regular performance. Oh and David Williams was one of the club's marquees as well, whereas Ramsay clearly isn't. I'm not saying at all that Ramsay is playing well or anything like that. Rather that Ramsay, like Williams, are some of the many flaky forwards that the club has had over its seasons. And this club, especially since it plays attacking football with 3 up front, could really use some reliable and performing forwards, the likes of which this club has never really seen before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomby Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Look, I honestly don't rate Ramsay at all ( and totally agree about his annoying stepovers, lack of vision etc etc)- but, having seen the lack of quality of a number of players in our team (and questioning how they ever became professional footballers) and the chances that Williams has missed over the past few seasons , I think some of the way-too-harsh stuff being said on here about Ramsay is over the top. I still think as far as his possible level of play goes- Sunday was one of his better games, despite the miss. I actually disagree. The fact that during other games he hasn't got into scoring positions or positions he can assist a goal has almost hidden these shortfalls he has as a footballer. He would have been better off not getting into these positions on Sunday because now 'everyone' can see how poor he is. So I would say for him this game was one of his worst, and I wouldn't doubt he would feel the same. Williams proved why he is useful with the run he made where he gave Ramsey the assist he missed. Williams also scored 12 goals last season yet Ramsey hasn't even got close. Many are hard on Williams but it's becasue he could dominate this league if he made use of his opportunities. Ramsey unfortunately isn't on the same level as Williams. To be fair to Ramsay though, David Williams only scored 1 goal in his 1st season at the club as well (Williams couldn't even break into the team that often, with him playing only a bit more than half of the season). Yes Ramsay did play a lot more minutes, but Williams was in a much better team that even made the finals, whereas Ramsay played his 1st season at the club in a horrible team that finished dead last and seemed to have some deep-seated cultural and mentality problems. And in Williams' second season he only scored 5 goals. Ramsay actually scored the same amount of goals at Adelaide in the season before he joined us, and he scored those goals in less minutes than Williams (Ramsay scored 5 over 1716 minutes in 2012/13, whereas Williams scored his 5 over 1811 minutes in 2012/13). So if Ramsay was to have a breakout season next season, and get lots of goals or assists or whatever (comparable with Williams last season), then they'd be pretty much the same: taking till their 3rd season to justify a spot at the club. Of course, the club shouldn't be waiting til a player's 3rd season to see if he can perform, but that's what happened with Williams, and IMO too many players at this club only kept their spots due to promise and not regular performance. Oh and David Williams was one of the club's marquees as well, whereas Ramsay clearly isn't. I'm not saying at all that Ramsay is playing well or anything like that. Rather that Ramsay, like Williams, are some of the many flaky forwards that the club has had over its seasons. And this club, especially since it plays attacking football with 3 up front, could really use some reliable and performing forwards, the likes of which this club has never really seen before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommac Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Williams also plays up front 80% of the time.. they're both junk, but those saying they want Ramsay to do an ACL are asking for Karma to come and bite them on the ACL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 For me this is an issue of looking for and emphasising the worst points of one player versus the best points of other players. You can always find the club whipping boy that way. We did it last season with Michael Mifsud, and we're doing it this season with Iain Ramsay. IMO Murfy is quite right. Iain Ramsay is just one of a number of under-performing forwards that we have had over our entire existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 I can't see a third season for Ramsay at City; he would have to improve massively in the remainder of the season for anyone to entertain a contract extension. With smart recruiting in the off season we could have a spare LB (assuming Clisby makes the role his own) and Garruccio on the LW. Perhaps a better environment may suit his development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 his contract expires at the end of this season if he is playing for us next season I'll wear my kilt to every home match that's throwing it out there ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 This is getting ridiculous.. He missed 1.5 sitters, but the rest of the game he was actually okay. I don't rate him AT ALL but on Sunday- despite the misses- he was at least a threat. It's not his fault with his level of ability, that our club pays him for it and plays him... so give it a rest. ... the rest of the game he was actuallu okay..." If you call running into dead ends, dwelling on the ball, poor and slow decision making and losing possession by "tackling himself" being okay, then yes, Ramsay was "okay." As for Ramsay being "at least a threat" to the opposition - well, he's not really a "threat" because we saw what he again produced, such as missing sitters. No "threat" at all to the opposition. If anything he's a "threat" to us - what does this do to players choosing what should be the best option if all players were equally skilled such as passing to Ramsay, team cohesion, team morale etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 If Ramsay was one-on-one up against a keeper the keeper would just think, "it's okay it's Ramsay...I'll just stand still and he'll either blast it wide, run into me or fall over trying to go around me" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 If Ramsay was one-on-one up against a keeper the keeper would just think, "it's okay it's Ramsay...I'll just stand still and he'll either blast it wide, run into me or fall over trying to go around me" pretty much every time williams is 1v1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 his contract expires at the end of this season if he is playing for us next season I'll wear my kilt to every home match that's throwing it out there ! Presumably in CFG approved colours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattyd89 Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 maybe started against victory because williams requested a transfer? then JVS realised how crap he was then dragged him at 30 mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 his contract expires at the end of this season if he is playing for us next season I'll wear my kilt to every home match that's throwing it out there ! Presumably in CFG approved colours. I have been told that i have fabulous legs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeardedHeart Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 He did come third in the man of the match voting on this forum and only played 20 odd minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 He did come third in the man of the match voting on this forum and only played 20 odd minutes. Coming off at 20 mins, that's the only way he'll ever get MOTM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 He did come third in the man of the match voting on this forum and only played 20 odd minutes. If he got dragged after 10 mins he would have got runner up or if JVS dropped him altogether he would have won the thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InMyHeart Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 This bloke is so fkn bad It's beyond a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmelbcity Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 How's the poll to justify Ramsey poor form I have one for you he is utter garbage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva10 Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 JVS must take the blame for bringing him on and having to take him off again. After last week he should have been nowhere near the first team. Just rank poor management!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Could've just promoted one of the youth team players since he understands how poor Ramsay is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 honestly rather see a youth player next week. what does JVS see that we don't ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Hoping for Brown/Mate to get back soon and force him out of the team. Ability aside (which he hasn't got a lot of), his confidence looks absolutely destroyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewmac Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 reckon van shit is on a percentage of Ramsays appearance fee ,cant be any other explanation surely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Hoping for Brown/Mate to get back soon and force him out of the team. Ability aside (which he hasn't got a lot of), his confidence looks absolutely destroyed. brown recently had surgery so he's still out for a bit and mate will be back in about 2 i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva10 Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Hoping for Brown/Mate to get back soon and force him out of the team. Ability aside (which he hasn't got a lot of), his confidence looks absolutely destroyed. brown recently had surgery so he's still out for a bit and mate will be back in about 2 i think Why haven't we brought in an injury replacement for Brown if he has had to have surgery? Very strange decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Hoping for Brown/Mate to get back soon and force him out of the team. Ability aside (which he hasn't got a lot of), his confidence looks absolutely destroyed. brown recently had surgery so he's still out for a bit and mate will be back in about 2 i think Why haven't we brought in an injury replacement for Brown if he has had to have surgery? Very strange decision. not a major operation, won't be out much longer than mate i don't think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Like I said, this guy is the luckiest cunt ever; only injuries have kept him in the line-up and finally he gets relegated to the bench after some truly embarrassing performances, but only to get called up 9 minutes in to replace Duff; another fucking injury! Duff, Garuccio, Dugandzic, Brown, even Germano would normally play before this guy but they all keep getting injured!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Has it been luck or has something more sinister is at work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Has it been luck or has something more sinister is at work? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulam 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortheloveofthegame Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Send him to the glue factory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Ramsay was so shit again - it's embarrassing. The biggest joke was the New Zealand commentators suggesting a better play was to pass to Ramsay who would then have an open goal. I feel pretty sure some of the players just refuse to pass to him because they reckon he'll find a way to lose the ball or totally stuff up. It also seems to me whenever there's an opposition player anywhere near Ramsay, he loses the ball. Like he might try to go past the player who says, "Thank you" and promptly tackles the ball off Ramsay. Question: Does Ramsay lose the ball more than any other player in the A League? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 I feel pretty sure some of the players just refuse to pass to him because they reckon he'll find a way to lose the ball or totally stuff up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 While Victory have players like Connor Pain, who would walk into our team and be one of our better players, hardly getting a look in. We should arrange a swap with Victory. Connor Pain for Ramsay. Victory scored a quality goal against Sydney FC involving precise passing and movement from their players up front. I look at that goal and think how it's impossible for us to score a goal like that with Ramsay anywhere near the 18 yards box - failing to control a pass etc. etc. etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) While Victory have players like Connor Pain, who would walk into our team and be one of our better players, hardly getting a look in. We should arrange a swap with Victory. Connor Pain for Ramsay. Victory scored a quality goal against Sydney FC involving precise passing and movement from their players up front. I look at that goal and think how it's impossible for us to score a goal like that with Ramsay anywhere near the 18 yards box - failing to control a pass etc. etc. etc. etc. Since our wingers are terrible especially now Duff is out,we really need to change our formation and play more narrow. Therefore Kennedy can lay the ball off like he did well against the Nix to players like Mooy Koren and Melling who all have a decent shot. If only JVS could change Edited February 15, 2015 by haz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepdog Posted February 15, 2015 Report Share Posted February 15, 2015 While Victory have players like Connor Pain, who would walk into our team and be one of our better players, hardly getting a look in. We should arrange a swap with Victory. Connor Pain for Ramsay. Victory scored a quality goal against Sydney FC involving precise passing and movement from their players up front. I look at that goal and think how it's impossible for us to score a goal like that with Ramsay anywhere near the 18 yards box - failing to control a pass etc. etc. etc. etc. If you think connor pain is any good, you got rocks in your head, ya fucking parrot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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