Kiro Kompiro Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Did JA really try hard??? What did he try? Club was sinking, results poorest in the league and he did nothing. No changes in tactics. No changes in personnel on field. No consequences for poor play, week in week out. Long balls to a dwarf, totally ineffective Relaying on the old guard. No clear perspective to develop or at least intergrade younger players. More games we lost, harder he held on to his loosing strategy. Get him into a commentary role somewhere, he does it well. Keep him away from coaching The worst thing for me was that he didn't have the decency to just quit, and instead sent the club back 2 years for his own selfish and egomaniacle reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I wonder will SBS ever call him back as a guest football analyst considering his shit run? They are probably thinking why would we call this bloke back to give "expert" advise if he never achieved any results? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 I wonder will SBS ever call him back as a guest football analyst considering his shit run? They are probably thinking why would we call this bloke back to give "expert" advise if he never achieved any results? If I were him id take half a year off and see whats out there. He is going to be paid out so he has the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerou812 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I wonder will SBS ever call him back as a guest football analyst considering his shit run? They are probably thinking why would we call this bloke back to give "expert" advise if he never achieved any results? I think they will. He's their mate. They think it's the club, players and us fans fault that JA didn't succeed. They are all pricks to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I wonder will SBS ever call him back as a guest football analyst considering his shit run? They are probably thinking why would we call this bloke back to give "expert" advise if he never achieved any results? I think they will. He's their mate. They think it's the club, players and us fans fault that JA didn't succeed. They are all pricks to me. But it was all the fans' fault. Had we not boo'ed or chanted "Aloisi Out" he'd still be coaching! How DARE King Malta show some raw emotion about how dismally we've been playing after 17 games without a win??? It is the fans' fault Aloisi is gone...he would've turned things around, now we'll just never know! Lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I wonder will SBS ever call him back as a guest football analyst considering his shit run? They are probably thinking why would we call this bloke back to give "expert" advise if he never achieved any results? I think they will. He's their mate. They think it's the club, players and us fans fault that JA didn't succeed. They are all pricks to me. But it was all the fans' fault. Had we not boo'ed or chanted "Aloisi Out" he'd still be coaching! How DARE King Malta show some raw emotion about how dismally we've been playing after 17 games without a win??? It is the fans' fault Aloisi is gone...he would've turned things around, now we'll just never know! Lol Have a look at "Heart in the headlines." Now we'll just never know how good Hayden Foxe is either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 John Aloisi's coachnig record for posterity:39 Games for 8 wins, 7 draws & 24 losses. Average points per game: 0.79.Form at finish of stint: 17LD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedukeofhearts Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 I bet JA still wears his suit around the house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellum Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 I bet JA still wears his suit around the house. Does that mean Hayden is still wearing his pizza boy outfit around the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerou812 Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 I bet JA still wears his suit around the house. Does that mean Hayden is still wearing his pizza boy outfit around the house. Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Murfy1 Posted January 18, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) Look at how differently the team plays under JVS as compared to under JA: Three Aloisi matches: Melbourne Heart vs Adelaide 3-3 - Passes - All 156 out 234 successful (66%) Sydney vs Melbourne Heart 2-1 - Passes - All 283 out 363 successful (78%) Melbourne Heart vs Wellington 0-1 - Passes - All 230 out 233 successful (69%) The 3 matches Heart have played under JVS: Mariners vs Melbourne Heart 0-0 - Passes - All 458 out 542 successful (84%) Perth vs Melbourne Heart 3-0 - Passes - All 313 out 406 successful (77%) Melbourne Heart vs Newcastle 3-1 - Passes - All 278 out 349 successful (80%) Aloisi's 'gameplan' was to largely bypass our midfield and bomb long passes straight from defence to our forward line. The Sydney match was fairly exceptional, as Kalmar and Kewell played in midfield (and had good games), but the exception proves the rule and underlines how Aloisi normally wanted the team to play. JVS is making Heart play football again. His first priority has clearly been to instruct Heart to retain possession, as shown with the away draw against the Mariners. And now that we're keeping the ball better, Heart are now steadily getting better at being more effective with the ball and playing out from the back. And Heart are getting smarter with the ball, and are playing out and passing where they can. Against the Mariners, we regularly tried to play through the middle, whereas against Newcastle we tried to pass down the wide areas frequently, and we found a lot of joy. The midfield exists for a reason, and it's not just to break up the opponent's possession (like JA seemed to think). Ignoring the midfield so fundamentally, and making the team play long balls significantly lowered Heart's passing accuracy and simply wasn't effective. JVS is using the midfield, promoting possession and limiting the long ball. Heart aren't playing purist short passing football, but we're cutting down on the long passes from the edge of our own penalty box (that we hopelessly played forward to the likes of Mifsud). And IMO it's fine playing SOME medium and long passes, like the long passes from just inside the Jets' half to Kewell to head down for Ramsay for our 1st goal, and Ramsay's fine assist to Mate for the 3rd goal that was also just a few metres inside the Jets' half. The big and key difference being, these rarer long passes are being made from inside our opponents half, and not 20-25 metres further back from around the edge of our penalty box. This shows that coaches matter, and how a team uses the ball and midfield matter. I Hope JA learns a lot from this season, so he doesn't inflict his sub-professional football on other football teams, like he tragically did on Heart for too long. As for Heart now, we're playing some good and winning football. Like with Adelaide, it'll likely take a bit more time to come to full fruition, but IMO we're progressing quicker with our possession game than them, and we probably won't be so (naively, IMO) purist. Apologises for a long post, but it was necessary to stress Aloisi's influence on Heart's performances, and the fact that things are different now, and for the better. Edited January 18, 2014 by Murfy1 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japiedog Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 ^^^^^^^^^^ No need to apologize for the post Where can I get the DVD on the Many Misses of Michael Mifsud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 ^^^^^^^^^^ No need to apologize for the post Where can I get the DVD on the Many Misses of Michael Mifsud It's actually a 4 disc pack, and that's only Volume 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedukeofhearts Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 ^^^^^^^^^^ No need to apologize for the post Where can I get the DVD on the Many Misses of Michael Mifsud It's actually a 4 disc pack, and that's only Volume 1. they will probably release a special edition set later that comes with 'LOLs of the JA Era' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) John Aloisi sets his heart on learning February 4, 2014 Michael Lynch Former Melbourne Heart coach John Aloisi and his assistant, Hayden Foxe, have emerged bloody but unbowed from their baptism of fire at the A-League's bottom club and have vowed to learn from their experience. Aloisi, who coached Heart from the start of the 2012-13 season, was sacked just after Christmas after the team failed to win in its first 12 games of the season. Foxe quit after Aloisi's dismissal. The duo, who were Socceroos teammates, will go to Europe next month to tap into the knowledge of former teammates and contacts who are now in coaching positions. Foxe knows new Tottenham boss Tim Sherwood, and the Australian pair may spend some time at White Hart Lane seeing how the English Premier League side goes about its training and preparation. Aloisi, who played in the Premiership, Italy's Serie A and Spain's Primera Liga, has contacts at numerous clubs and will look to link up with Spanish colleagues. ''We are looking at leaving on March 17 and plan to spend four weeks in Europe travelling to different countries,'' Aloisi said. ''Foxey knows a lot of people in England, and one of my good mates is Juan Carlos Unzue, who is the assistant coach at Celta Vigo, where Luis Enrique is the head coach. ''Luis … is a good person to talk to - he played for Real Madrid and Barcelona, and for Spain in World Cups, while Juan Carlos has been a head coach at Racing Santander. I know him from my time at Osasuna.'' Aloisi says he is getting over the pain of being sacked and is genuinely happy for Heart now that it has started to hit form and win games. ''It was hard in those first few weeks,'' he said. ''Coaching is what I wanted to do, and I really loved it, but you have to get on and think about how you can improve yourself when you next get an opportunity. I am starting to get over it now and look to the future.'' He is not surprised Heart has managed to turn things around under his successor, John van 't Schip, who was the coach who signed him as one of the first players to join the fledgling A-League club for its first season in 2010-11. ''John is an experienced coach, and a lot of the important players who were injured and unavailable to me during the first half of the season have come back and are playing well. You need those big players,'' he said. ''I was unlucky that Orlando Engelaar got injured before the season, that Harry Kewell wasn't available for most of my time and that somebody like Jonatan Germano, who plays with a lot of aggression, was also injured.'' The Manchester City takeover came after Aloisi left the club, but he is hopeful that Heart's links with the Sky Blues - and his good relationship with the club's hierarchy - could provide him with a link to City when he and Foxe are in Europe. ''If we could get the chance to go there and see them first-hand it would be great, too,'' said the former Socceroos striker who will always be remembered for scoring the goal that took Australia to the World Cup in Germany eight years ago. While most expect City to cull the Heart playing list, Aloisi believes veteran Kewell still has something to offer - if he wants to continue playing. ''Of course he's not the player he was when he was younger, but Harry gave us a lot I felt, and now he is getting back to fitness you can see that he still has something. He still has an eye for a pass.'' http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/john-aloisi-sets-his-heart-on-learning-20140203-31xe6.html Edited February 3, 2014 by Murfy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Yeah, it's the return of injured players turning it around and nothing to do with an application of decent tactics actually worthy of the A-League... don't give yourself too much credit now JA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 "I was UNLUCKY" Gee, haven't heard that one before... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresonlyonebzamora Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Wish him well but geez he's gotta get over the 'hard done by' act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 "The Manchester City takeover came after Aloisi left the club, but he is hopeful that Heart's links with the Sky Blues - and his good relationship with the club's hierarchy - " Did anyone else read this line and get an irregular heart beat at the thought aloisi might be trying to come back to heart to coach soon? Scared the shit out of me. And come on JA, kewell played games under you. Engelaar has barely played a half of football over the course of a couple of games and germano has just come back. Jvs has had a similar team to what you had for quite some time. And by the look of this article it doesn't look like aloisi is going to be trying to take the long hard road and learn from the bottom up by acquiring a coaching position with a state league team or equivalent. He's going to go overseas like he said for a couple of months, come back with ALL this new knowledge (yeah right) and try to work his way into another aleague team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) Wish him well but geez he's gotta get over the 'hard done by' act.Very little humility about him.... If any John. Why didn't you say "at this stage of my professional career I'm not good enough to coach at first tier level, but I'm working on it" Edited February 3, 2014 by Jestr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 "The Manchester City takeover came after Aloisi left the club, but he is hopeful that Heart's links with the Sky Blues - and his good relationship with the club's hierarchy - " Did anyone else read this line and get an irregular heart beat at the thought aloisi might be trying to come back to heart to coach soon? Scared the shit out of me. And come on JA, kewell played games under you. Engelaar has barely played a half of football over the course of a couple of games and germano has just come back. Jvs has had a similar team to what you had for quite some time. And by the look of this article it doesn't look like aloisi is going to be trying to take the long hard road and learn from the bottom up by acquiring a coaching position with a state league team or equivalent. He's going to go overseas like he said for a couple of months, come back with ALL this new knowledge (yeah right) and try to work his way into another aleague team. I'd be very happy to have him back in the future IF he were the best candidate for the job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 I dunno, I wouldn't do that even if I was aware I wasn't up to it. Makes him less employable to future jobs if he says he wasn't good enough, particularly publically given the nature of fans in sport. In saying that, probably best just to say nothing rather than fall back on excuses and unlucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Because he is good enough. It's not him it's the players, the weather, the youngsters, the injuries, the luck, the chances, time itself and the whole worlds fault the heart couldn't win. So if your going to blame someone or something take your pick but don't blame JA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petercrouch Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Admins, can we just /thread and post all happenings of this bloke in the where are they now thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Poor fella is delusional, hopefully he learns his trade at a lower level club, o/s or in Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jestr Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Let me tweak it for you Poor fella is delusional, hopefully he learns his trade at a lower level club, o/s or in AUSTRIA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Let me tweak it for you Poor fella is delusional, hopefully he learns his trade at a lower level club, o/s or in AUSTRIA. Tweaked that better than Pat Symcox. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 3, 2014 Report Share Posted February 3, 2014 Not sure why he's even going overseas to learn from coaches in the premier league. In his mind he's already good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Not sure why he's even going overseas with Foxe - sounds like these two will be holding hands every where they go - not the best move in my opinion! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Not sure why he's even going overseas to learn from coaches in the premier league. In his mind he's already good enough. Purely to put on his resumee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedukeofhearts Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 craaaaaaaap spurs are going to get relegated now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 craaaaaaaap spurs are going to get relegated now Was already likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF33 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Yeah, that article starts out well, but could do without the 'hard done by' routine. Going from the last couple of months of 2012/13 until the time he was sacked, Heart was pretty much uncompetitive for three quarters of a season. They got one point after falling behind for the entire time he was coach; JVS has got seven points from the same situation in the past three weeks and was a bee's dick away from making it nine. Take the two red card games. Both times, Heart gets a red card in the middle stages of the first half and the opponent gets a goal shortly after, as soon as MH is down to 10 men. The JA Heart folded like an ironing board as soon as this happened (and as they did countless times during his tenure, when the going got tough), whereas the JVS Heart fought tooth and nails to drive in an equaliser, then decided that wasn't good enough, so they kept taking chances and ended up putting the winner through in the dying minutes. Now, how were those teams different, in terms of personnel? From the team that played Victory just before Christmas: Out: Mifsud, Kalmar, Mebrahtu In: Engelaar, Ramsay, Germano, Garuccio Probably a fair bit more quality coming in than going out, but no way does that account for the complete change in the team's attitude. Good luck to him, but I think he needs to lose this defiant attitude and admit to himself that he just wasn't ready. He's got all sorts of resources throughout Europe and it's good if he's going to use them. But, considering his winning percentage in the A-League, he's going to have to put in the hard yards if he ever expects to get a head coaching role here again. Edited February 4, 2014 by SF33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Embee Posted February 4, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) The bloke just probably needs to not to talk about it anymore now. I know the media seems to back him no matter what and probably protects him from copping a lot of criticism that a foreign coach or someone outside of the 'Socceroos boys club' would otherwise get but to the informed (or even casual) observer he sounds like a massive sook. Rather than continue with this whole 'I was unlucky' routine he'd be better off turning around and saying something like "unfortunately things didn't work out the way I'd have liked at the Heart but I'm moving on from that period in my life now and am just concerned about learning from my experiences and becoming a better manager"....sounds much better to me. As much as I'm grateful for what he did as a player (both for us and our country) I'm starting to have a pretty poor opinion of him as bloke. He seems to be focused on himself more than anything else and likes to remind people that he's never at fault. If he ever hopes to be a successful football manager he'll need to change that trait and change it soon. Most clubs won't put up with that sort of talk for long. Edited February 4, 2014 by King Malta 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerou812 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Average player, average coach. Never really took to JA but with this coaching saga really have no time for him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Absolutely, and the thing is you would think he might be humbled by the whole experience, yet a month down the track from being sacked and he's still making excuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Will stand outside of heart hq with torches and pitchforks before i let this bloke back into the club. What a flog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepdog Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Let me tweak it for you Poor fella is delusional, hopefully he learns his trade at a lower level club, o/s or in AUSTRIA. Tweaked that better than Pat Symcox. Pat Symcox!! Wow, haven't heard that name in years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Aloisi could use his new found Man City connections to get a foot in the door at Hyde FC. He would be familar with their sort of form http://www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/the-football-team-with-one-of-the-longest-losing-streaks-in and could no doubt assist the gaffer with some prepared speeches for the post game press conferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I wonder will SBS ever call him back as a guest football analyst considering his shit run? They are probably thinking why would we call this bloke back to give "expert" advise if he never achieved any results? I think they will. He's their mate. They think it's the club, players and us fans fault that JA didn't succeed. They are all pricks to me. http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/lucy-zelic/blog/1178154/Aloisi-the-scapegoat-for-a-broken-Heart As confidently predicted hahahaha. The article starts off with a bit of promise. Seemingly winding up to a conclusion that pointed the blame at Aloisi for his own downfall. But get to halfway through the article, and you start seeing the words "injury, "unlucky, "under-peforming", etc... What is wrong with these people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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