jw1739 Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Interesting initiative by Wellington - a "fighting fund."http://www.a-league.com.au/article/wellington-launch-fighting-fund-to-boost-a-league-hopes/ho3viit9u2vl160e8spfqtthw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 What an awesome concept! Whether it works or not is another matter, but I think it's a really cool idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Gone. Tough decision but the right onehttp://www.footballaustralia.com.au/article/ffa-board-decision-on-wellington-phoenix-licence-application/1pfovwij2xb731kk2y1g2n7n3y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 they aren't gone yet, they can still get a licence extension until 2019-20nonetheless, still a kick in the guts for their loyal fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 So...at best four more years after this, which will give them the time to close down their affairs in an orderly fashion and for FFA to find a worthy and sustainable Australian replacement franchise to take their place. Or does FFA keep stringing them along on a short-term basis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayv36 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Stupid decision to get rid of the nix IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 They're not done yet, but it certainly looks bleak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Has the New Zealand Football Federation ever entertained a move to Asia out of curiousity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 really hope they stay in, fuck having even more nsw clubs in the comp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeming Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Not technically gone now but in reality who's going to invest sponsorship or become a member of a club that's not going to be around in another 4 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedaik Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 I would have thought if we're ever to become a 14+ team competition then Auckland and Wellington teams would need to be in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 I would have thought if we're ever to become a 14+ team competition then Auckland and Wellington teams would need to be in the league. Maybe. Which would explain why the FFA said they see the future as a ten team competition.I would prefer to see them continue (they were friends when we needed them, we should return the favour), but I suspect the continued pressure from the AFC to not have them in our league is behind this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Too much of a viable option to have in the a-league.Maybe we can give the license to a viable area like alice springs instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raw10 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Maybe. Which would explain why the FFA said they see the future as a ten team competition.I would prefer to see them continue (they were friends when we needed them, we should return the favour), but I suspect the continued pressure from the AFC to not have them in our league is behind this. If that is the case, then why don't FFA be open about it and say straight to the Nix's face that AFC would prefer them out of A League? Don't they deserve that ? To muck around and give some bullshit excuse that it is not in FFA plans is not a good approach to the situation. If FFA wants the Nix to be in the league then they should have worked together with them and pressure AFC to consider their stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 If that is the case, then why don't FFA be open about it and say straight to the Nix's face that AFC would prefer them out of A League? Don't they deserve that ? To muck around and give some bullshit excuse that it is not in FFA plans is not a good approach to the situation. If FFA wants the Nix to be in the league then they should have worked together with them and pressure AFC to consider their stance. I agree with you 100%, but sadly in this world there seems to be many many people who think the best way to treat an issue is to hide from it. Just call me cynical.Good article here on the world game site:http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blog/2015/10/27/what-does-throwing-phoenix-away-yesterdays-trash-achieveOn the one hand the FFA want to throw a well run Nix under the bus whilst on the other hand propping up Newy and the Sauce Bottle brigade. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=894172700631847&id=159386370777154Absolutely sensational 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 They're not going to give up without a fight.http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/73430616/nz-football-vows-to-help-fight-keep-wellington-phoenix-in-the-aleague Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 This weeks Fox Football podcast gives a good chunk of air time and background to the issue. Worth a listen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Wollongong/South Melb. Hellas > Nix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellydrum Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 ICYMI there's an online petition up https://www.change.org/p/australian-ffa-save-the-wellington-phoenix?source_location=petitions_share_skip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danepak Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) I would have thought if we're ever to become a 14+ team competition then Auckland and Wellington teams would need to be in the league. I don't think a team in Auckland would be a good solution. We're already one of the teams with the lowest general attendance in the league.On top of that, Auckland had a team a few years ago and their attendance was even lower (obviously not helped by the team being piss poor).Wellington is more of a football city, compared to Auckland. Bigger interest for the game in Welly.Unbearable to think about not having my team in the A-League next season. I guess that's part of the package with modern football...I still don't understand why we can't have 12 teams in the league. 10 teams just isn't enough. Edited October 29, 2015 by danepak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Maybe not Auckland. But IMO we shouldn't discard teams on attendance. Wellington may have low attendances, but as yet they haven't called on FFA or anyone else for assistance. The issue is whether they are sustainable, not how many people attend matches.I see this whole thing as a pissing contest by FFA. Try to give the impression that football is "bigger" than its rivals. We could do that by allowing all clubs unlimited overseas stars, pay them excessive wages to come here for a season, draw huge crowds and win the pissing contest, and then go out of business at the end of the season. What use is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted October 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Unbearable to think about not having my team in the A-League next season. I guess that's part of the package with modern football... Thats rough man. Is it me, or was this whole thing pretty out of the blue? It may be because I am not a Nix supporter, so I dont keep up to speed with other clubs that much, but it seems to have just exploded out of nowhere. Or has it been simmering for a while and I have just not noticed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Thats rough man. Is it me, or was this whole thing pretty out of the blue? It may be because I am not a Nix supporter, so I dont keep up to speed with other clubs that much, but it seems to have just exploded out of nowhere. Or has it been simmering for a while and I have just not noticed?It's been simmering for a fair while. Gallop put them on notice publicly at the start of last season and the welnix group and sky sports have often been criticized for not bringing enough to the table. Sources also tell me that there's been negotiations with potential sponsors of a third Sydney team for something like a year, can't remember exactly. I heard on a podcast the other day that Wellington cost the league $3millionAUD a year in travel, accommodation and other expenses but their TV deal with sky is only bringing in $180k. You can see clearly that a third Sydney side would be much better for the bottom line.I honestly think the FFA is doing the right thing for the A-League. If the long term plan doesn't involve New Zealand it is best to cut ties now before they're too ingrained in the fabric of the competition. NZ out and three teams in Sydney makes a lot of sense long term imo. Also, this #savethenix stuff is pretty laughable. I respect the want to fight for your club but the dye has been cast. The Phoenix died in a board room long before their ten year license was rejected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danepak Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Thats rough man. Is it me, or was this whole thing pretty out of the blue? It may be because I am not a Nix supporter, so I dont keep up to speed with other clubs that much, but it seems to have just exploded out of nowhere. Or has it been simmering for a while and I have just not noticed?The license is expiring this season, so we knew that it was a matter of the length of the new license. Been discussed often on Yellow Fever.Could make it very interesting, if we beat the unwashed ones on Monday at Etihad and perhaps turn into serious title contenders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Could make it very interesting, if we beat the unwashed ones on Monday at Etihad and perhaps turn into serious title contenders I'd love nothing more than the awkward position the FFA would find themselves in if the Phoenix won hosting rights of the Grand Final in the season they intended to cut them. Imagine watching Gallop squirm handing the Toilet seat over in Wellington. Would be brilliant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 This is what a full A-League ladder should look likeAdelaideBrisbane CanberraCentral CoastGeelongGold Coast Melbourne CityNewcastleNorth Melbourne PerthSouth Melbourne Sydney TasmaniaWest Sydney Wollongong Don't argue with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Oh God, not Tasmania, Gold Coast and Geelong again? How many times do we have to go through this nonsense? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Oh God, not Tasmania, Gold Coast and Geelong again? How many times do we have to go through this nonsense?good enough to have an afl team, good enough to have a soccah team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattyd89 Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 Too many hipsters in North Melbourne. They'd all be having coffees and riding their bikes instead of attending games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 This is what a full A-League ladder should look likeAdelaideBrisbane Canberra Western MelbourneGold Coast Melbourne CityNewcastleSouth-East Melbourne Perth Sydney West Sydney WellingtonWollongong Don't argue with me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted October 29, 2015 Report Share Posted October 29, 2015 i c wat u did there Too many hipsters in North Melbourne. They'd all be having coffees and riding their bikes instead of attending games.lmfao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 The appealing thing about Tasmania is there's really no direct competition in the market since the AFL's still too reluctant to put a permanently-based team there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 The appealing thing about Tasmania is there's really no direct competition in the market since the AFL's still too reluctant to put a permanently-based team there.Because AFL has the brains to know that they'll endlessly have to subsidise or give special concessions to a team based there. And, like so many others, you're making the mistake that a team called "Tasmania" is a team that everyone who lives in the state will support, let alone care a fig about. They won't. It's a very parochial place. I know - I lived there for quite some time. On top of that football has no traction whatsoever.People are getting delusional. Yes, teams need to be located in major population centres to get attendances - and indeed to attract quality players - but (and perhaps regrettably) modern football is about having owners/partners/sponsors wealthy enough to keep a club sustainable. Which generally means running at a manageable loss that's not too big to be offset somewhere else in the owners' finances.Forget Tasmania. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Because AFL has the brains to know that they'll endlessly have to subsidise or give special concessions to a team based there. And, like so many others, you're making the mistake that a team called "Tasmania" is a team that everyone who lives in the state will support, let alone care a fig about. They won't. It's a very parochial place. I know - I lived there for quite some time. On top of that football has no traction whatsoever.People are getting delusional. Yes, teams need to be located in major population centres to get attendances - and indeed to attract quality players - but (and perhaps regrettably) modern football is about having owners/partners/sponsors wealthy enough to keep a club sustainable. Which generally means running at a manageable loss that's not too big to be offset somewhere else in the owners' finances.Forget Tasmania.but what would be better than a team with this mascot: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 but what would be better than a team with this mascot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobart_Devils 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 This is what a full A-League ladder should look likeAdelaideBrisbane CanberraCentral CoastGeelongGold Coast Melbourne CityNewcastleNorth Melbourne PerthSouth Melbourne Sydney TasmaniaWest Sydney Wollongong Don't argue with meMy favourite part of this is no Melbourne Victory lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 My favourite part of this is no Melbourne Victory lolrelocated to geelong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Not technically gone now but in reality who's going to invest sponsorship or become a member of a club that's not going to be around in another 4 years?All A-league licences were short term like this until recently. But yeah it's retarded, if you want them to grow you need to give them the security of a longer licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 FFA becoming more like FIFA every day.http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-30/lowy-blasts-graham-arnold-sky-blues-over-phoenix-comments/6900732 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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