NewConvert Posted May 21, 2015 Report Share Posted May 21, 2015 with the contacts CFG have, 4 of our visa players should be of Berisha/broich/khallfallah level in that they should be playing at a marquee standard but fitting under the cap. While our international marquee should be the best marquee in the league and our Australian marquee should be the best Australian player currently playing in the a-league This is easier said than done. The real problem is no one really knows how visa players are going to perform until they get here. The big names are can be past it and therefore their impact is muted and then there are players that come here as unknowns and flourish. Berisha is a good example of the latter. Finding the right players that will flourish is going to be difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) I think the key attributes for our attacking visa players (not counting marquee) should be that they can split open a defence, beat a player, create opportunities, attack & defend & score goals and be a hard worker. Being able to play across multiple positions would be a bonus. If they are a defender, they need size, pace, a good passing game, be able to score at set peices and have plenty of experience. Our Visa players should all come from 3 classes. 1. Player from a 2nd or 3rd tier European comp, b/w 25 to 30 years in age 2. Unknown or lessor league player from the rest of world (like Sufuwan) (under 28) 3. Manchester City youth player On Novillio, if he could lift his work rate and defend better, he would be someone that we should absolutely re-sign. If he cannot improve this part of his game he will cost us as many goals as he scores. . Edited May 22, 2015 by Torn Asunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruckoo Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 Herald Sun saying we made him an offer but he's after more cash. "Tell him he's dreaming" Cant seem to find it, you got a link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 Herald Sun saying we made him an offer but he's after more cash. "Tell him he's dreaming" Cant seem to find it, you got a link? TBH I hope we're not "negotiating" with Harry N. or any of the others coming out of contract that we haven't already released. Make them a sound offer and they can take it or leave it. I don't see any other A-League clubs lining up to sign our players, and we're never going to win anything if we keep re-signing the same old carthorses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruckoo Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 I think Novillo is worth a good wage tbh. He was getting better every week as he became more match fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 Herald Sun saying we made him an offer but he's after more cash. "Tell him he's dreaming" Cant seem to find it, you got a link? No. I'm old school, I read it in the actual newspaper the day I posted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[LIBBA] Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 I think Novillo is worth a good wage tbh. He was getting better every week as he became more match fit. Would you seriously fork out big wages for a bloke was just "geting better" To me you have to prove you deserve the rise in wage. I think he should be on a 1 year contract and if he blitzes it, review it midseason and give the bloke a better deal the following season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruckoo Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 There is a difference between good wage and big wage, he would be on fuck all now and after what he showed the second half of his stint I would not be surprised other teams would be after him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 There is a difference between good wage and big wage, he would be on fuck all now and after what he showed the second half of his stint I would not be surprised other teams would be after him too. Personally I doubt he was on "fuck all". As much as 6k/week potentially. The Greek construction worker via tony said we'd offered 200k (which to me is more than he's worth) but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 There is a difference between good wage and big wage, he would be on fuck all now and after what he showed the second half of his stint I would not be surprised other teams would be after him too. Personally I doubt he was on "fuck all". As much as 6k/week potentially. The Greek construction worker via tony said we'd offered 200k (which to me is more than he's worth) but who knows. If we've offered him $200,000 then that's an example of why our squad has so much deadwood and why we never get anywhere. IMO not worth anything like that. He'd be lucky to get on the bench for Victory or Sydney, and they're the current benchmarks for our league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlibub Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 This guy I would sign. Compared to the shit we have seen over the years? Fuck me where do i start? Misfud. Tadic. Weilart. Meewis. Migliorini. Fred. Maycon. Worm. Terra. Koren. Whom have I missed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted May 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) Wouldn't be disappointed if he's signed for the right coin. But I'd rather we find someone even better. Edited May 26, 2015 by n i k o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 200K for Novillo is more than fair considering he has European VISA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart_fan Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 200K would be fair value in my view. He has shown promise but a long way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted May 26, 2015 Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 200K would be fair value in my view. He has shown promise but a long way to go. That poses a question with respect to visa players - do we get visa players to develop or do they join the club already experienced with their only development fitting into the team and game plan? If the former then I would be happy with Safuwan joining the club, if the latter then neither Safuwan nor Novillo should be at the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted May 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2015 Fuck development of visa players. It's difficult enough developing our own players let alone taking someone else's problem from overseas and bringing them here as some sort of a 'special project.' 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruckoo Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I think that depends on a few things, age being the major factor. Novillo at 22 after being in the systems he was in as a youth I think that is worthy of a project type scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommac Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) No way Novillo should be placed in the 'development' basket- he is past that stage already. He is here ( and keen to stay), he is young and he is effing good. I'd pay him up to 250-300K if he wanted it. He will be brilliant next year. I wouldn't take Safuwan. Just not quite the level of quality we should be aiming for in our Visa players IMO. Edited May 27, 2015 by tommac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I think that depends on a few things, age being the major factor. Novillo at 22 after being in the systems he was in as a youth I think that is worthy of a project type scenario. Not when we have only five Visa positions available on the squad. TBH don't get what everyone sees in this bloke. Perhaps because all our local wingers have been rubbish? But have a look at France Ligue 2 and there are plenty of blokes like Harry N. running around there trying to make a name for themselves. We're supposed to have 36 scouts combing the world for emerging talent for the clubs in the CFG. If Novillo is the best that they can come up with then heaven help us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruckoo Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Maybe I am seeing something different to you blokes, but I rate him, the work he did in the semi-final he was pretty much the only bloke on the field doing anything. He is a big game player and his foot skills are very good imo. It's taken a few games to settle and get used to the league but I would expect that of anyone coming in from OS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I think that depends on a few things, age being the major factor. Novillo at 22 after being in the systems he was in as a youth I think that is worthy of a project type scenario. Not when we have only five Visa positions available on the squad. TBH don't get what everyone sees in this bloke. Perhaps because all our local wingers have been rubbish? But have a look at France Ligue 2 and there are plenty of blokes like Harry N. running around there trying to make a name for themselves. We're supposed to have 36 scouts combing the world for emerging talent for the clubs in the CFG. If Novillo is the best that they can come up with then heaven help us. If Novillo is the worst visa signing we make this coming season then that's not a bad situation at all. If he's the best visa signing we have this coming season then it's a concern. For me from that perspective I think he's worth signing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I think every signing must be the best possible available for position/price. All signings must be looked at in isolation and not compared to other possible players coming in and existing. And above all must be seen as genuine starting players. Our core contracted group need to be improved and only bringing in better players either taking their spots or making them fight to retain spots will the squad improve. Therefore Novillo imo should not be signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 with the contacts CFG have, 4 of our visa players should be of Berisha/broich/khallfallah level in that they should be playing at a marquee standard but fitting under the cap. While our international marquee should be the best marquee in the league and our Australian marquee should be the best Australian player currently playing in the a-league .....and the squad fillers should be the best in the league. Therefore, we're ganna win the league! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rass Posted May 27, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 In Novillo, I see someone just as good as FBK over at the tards, but 10 years younger. Everyone's talking about how FBK ripped the comp apart this season, whilst we question if Novillo is worth it. Given the strike force that complement FBK, I'm pretty sure if we swapped both players around, we would have been talking about how Novillo smashed the season... and FBK was a dud for us. So if we can get the right players around him, I think Novillo could really be something special for us. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted May 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Ill call it early, provided he plays out the full season he will score a bare minimum of 7 goals. That's quite good for a winger, taking into consideration Fahid scored 5 goals last season for the visitors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Novillo top goal scorer for us next season. Next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I think every signing must be the best possible available for position/price. All signings must be looked at in isolation and not compared to other possible players coming in and existing. And above all must be seen as genuine starting players. Our core contracted group need to be improved and only bringing in better players either taking their spots or making them fight to retain spots will the squad improve. Therefore Novillo imo should not be signed. And we need to get our signings right starting from the top down, not the bottom up. Signing Novillo at this time would make it seem that we would have him, Germano and Koren taking three of the five available Visa places in the squad. None of those three would, IMO, get a starting spot for Victory or Sydney, the current benchmarks for this league. There's enough mediocrity in our squad already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 He's too soft and injury prone.When he scores more goals he might be worthwhile keeping, but I have reservations. We can do better with a proven player not one who comes here because he cannot get on back home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommac Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I don't get how people don't rate this guy. He scored 3 in 8 games if I'm right ( with a few of those off the bench) and came to us lacking match sharpness. In the 2 finals games he was our best player, and is constantly threatening the opposition fullbacks, and testing the keeper. He can be a bit tempestuous sure, but if we sign him and he is fit all season, many people here will be eating their (pessimistic) words. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I don't get how people don't rate this guy. He scored 3 in 8 games if I'm right ( with a few of those off the bench) and came to us lacking match sharpness. In the 2 finals games he was our best player, and is constantly threatening the opposition fullbacks, and testing the keeper. He can be a bit tempestuous sure, but if we sign him and he is fit all season, many people here will be eating their (pessimistic) words. Took part in 10 matches. Total minutes 707 Goals 2 (excludes o.g. by Glen Moss, Phoenix) Assists 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 I don't get how people don't rate this guy. He scored 3 in 8 games if I'm right ( with a few of those off the bench) and came to us lacking match sharpness. In the 2 finals games he was our best player, and is constantly threatening the opposition fullbacks, and testing the keeper. He can be a bit tempestuous sure, but if we sign him and he is fit all season, many people here will be eating their (pessimistic) words. I hear what your saying and i am a very optimistic person even delusional at times but my pessimism in Novillo case is due to too many IFs scenarios. We cannot afford to hope he comes good. As a visa player he must be good. Needs to produce similar to Duff that is his quiet games are still good. I just don't see him producing week in week out solid games. It's almost a repeat of Williams situation last season. I would be totally rapt if I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommac Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Hmm- well I suppose we're all entitled to our opinions. I for one hope we're still able to give our opinions on his performances for us next year. A (quality) bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 In Novillo, I see someone just as good as FBK over at the tards, but 10 years younger. Everyone's talking about how FBK ripped the comp apart this season, whilst we question if Novillo is worth it. Given the strike force that complement FBK, I'm pretty sure if we swapped both players around, we would have been talking about how Novillo smashed the season... and FBK was a dud for us. So if we can get the right players around him, I think Novillo could really be something special for us. LOL. Novillo and FBK aren't on the same level. FBK is twice the player at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) Been saying it all along, people are just blinded by the fact he is flashy and has a bit of technical skill. Doesn't deliver enough, not for the wage he would want. Wouldnt mind seeing him up front though, seems like he'd be more suited there than on the wing. Especially alongside Kennedy. Edited May 27, 2015 by Tesla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 He has class on the ball but he takes terrible options. So, as I see it, depending on what you look at depends on what you think of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlibub Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Novillo would be in the first 5 players picked every week. Gives us something up front which we severely lack and that is blistering pace, running at defenders and shooting at goals. Shooting at goal a fundamental skill when one is required to score goals to win games. How could anyone not think this signing would be a good one? If we don't sign him he will be snapped out by someone else in a flash. Sign this kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mus-28 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Given a pre season with the squad I think he'll be deadly this season. Getting dumped into a team in a foreign country with limited preparation isn't the ideal situation. It took FBK half a dozen games before he began proving his doubters wrong. He was constantly making the wrong decisions when teammates where in better positions but went on his own on most occasions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strider Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 If Novillo doesn't sign a contract with us Im killing myself 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronAV11 Posted June 7, 2015 Report Share Posted June 7, 2015 I tweeted Melbourne City asking when are we going to re-sign Novillo, Germano and Tando, and Novillo replied saying 'soon ;)' Lock him in! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 I see that Gameiro followed Harry, make of that what you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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