The JvS thread

[n i k o]

Get this cunt out

Edited November 18, 2016 by n i k o

[Tony999]

For the love of the club!

[Bannon]

how many times do we have to say fuck this dutch cunt

[Tony999]

1 minute ago, Bannon said:

how many times do we have to say fuck this dutch cunt

Till the end of the season unfortunately 

[Geo400]

His luck ran out tonight, fortunate not to suffer the same fate last week, he stays and sub 10k crowds will remain the norm for the rest of the season, enough is enough, it's not just the heartbreak of the inevitable, he suffocates the life out of the team as well. Sydney fc will surely send him packing in the cup final

[mjake1234]

We have arguably the best collection of players in the league - certainly the best we have ever had. So how does JVS manage to have them produce so much crap?

I am over watching every match with fear and trepidation. Seriously thinking I would be better off only watching televised matches and certainly those that don't feature this hopelessly organised team. No way I can wait until the end of the season to see the back of this prick.

[KSK_47]

How the fuck does this guy have a job?! Not specifically here. Like, anywhere doing anything

26 minutes ago, Geo400 said:

His luck ran out tonight

Well he was pretty lucky the linesman made an incorrect call or we would have gone home with nothing

[n i k o]

28 minutes ago, mjake1234 said:

We have arguably the best collection of players in the league - certainly the best we have ever had. So how does JVS manage to have them produce so much crap?

I am over watching every match with fear and trepidation. Seriously thinking I would be better off only watching televised matches and certainly those that don't feature this hopelessly organised team. No way I can wait until the end of the season to see the back of this prick.

For me its a feeling of inevitability that we will underwhelm. This feeling dulls excitement prior to games and dulls shit performances like tonight. 

[Tony999]

JVS is the cause of our shit crowds 

[KSK_47]

I really wanted to be wrong this season. I wanted to say "well, looks like i have been way too harsh on him all these years. He actually can get one of the greatest a leauge squads of all time playing exciting winning football."

Fuck of back to Germania jvs

[jw1739]

1 hour ago, Tony999 said:

JVS is the cause of our shit crowds 

He is the root cause, yes. I'm almost numb to it all now. Just another season where the best squad the club has ever had just becomes a disorganised rabble, passing the ball backwards at every opportunity and giving up one or two points at the end of almost every match. I don't even know why I post to the forum any more, because I just keep repeating myself...

[Kiro Kompiro]

1 hour ago, jw1739 said:

He is the root cause, yes. I'm almost numb to it all now. Just another season where the best squad the club has ever had just becomes a disorganised rabble, passing the ball backwards at every opportunity and giving up one or two points at the end of almost every match. I don't even know why I post to the forum any more, because I just keep repeating myself...

yes he has but....he can't kick the ball for caceras and Malik and Chapman either,

[jeffplz]

can't wait for the headline.

 

JOHN JUMPS SHIP

[KSK_47]

3 hours ago, Kiro Kompiro said:

yes he has but....he can't kick the ball for caceras and Malik and Chapman either,

But again- once more we have new players and the same thing keeps happening. If the players keep fucking up they are either not being adequately prepared or are being selected when they shouldn't be. It keeps coming back to JVS.

[NewConvert]

3 hours ago, KSK_47 said:

But again- once more we have new players and the same thing keeps happening. If the players keep fucking up they are either not being adequately prepared or are being selected when they shouldn't be. It keeps coming back to JVS.

Give JVS Barcelona or Real or Juventus or whom ever you want, for a pre-season and all players will be playing like our current list is. 

[belaguttman]

1 hour ago, NewConvert said:

Give JVS Barcelona or Real or Juventus or whom ever you want, for a pre-season and all players will be playing like our current list is. 

Its called the JVS Football Devolution

[kingofhearts]

Current mood on JVS being sacked:

 

Edited November 19, 2016 by kingofhearts

[Baka1]

On 19 November 2016 at 2:05 PM, jeffplz said:

can't wait for the headline.

 

JOHN JUMPS -off a cargo- SHIP

fixed

 

[HeartOfCity]

[KSK_47]

On 19/11/2016 at 2:05 PM, jeffplz said:

can't wait for the headline.

 

JOHN JUMPS SHIP

Its was way better when you could chuck a heart pun in there too

"Heart break as schip sinks"

[Dylan]

The Schip has been chased out of the port of the City, heat break ensures.

[n i k o]

My favourite has always been:

 

John "SCHIPPED OUT" of City

[KSK_47]

1 hour ago, n i k o said:

My favourite has always been:

 

John "SCHIPPED OUT" of City

We need a massive banner saying

"Shape up or Schip out" lol

[Torn Asunder]

Here's the thing ... despite us forum tragic s knowing the truth about JVS and his limitations, what the average punter sees is us sitting second and just a few points off top, with Bruno & Timmy on our books, Gallop & Yoshi in our pocket, and an FFA cup final impending with healthy ticket sales.  Also, our membership is going very well.  

Unfortunately, JVS is not going anywhere just yet.

If we get smashed in the cup final, fall away from a top two chance and if Timmy or Bruno turn against him, then CFG would make their move early

Edited November 21, 2016 by Torn Asunder

[n i k o]

8 minutes ago, KSK_47 said:

We need a massive banner saying

"Shape up or Schip out" lol

Would have been good last season. Right now the moment doesn't feel right given us sitting in second position. Although who knows, at the current rate there still might be time to bring out a banner in the near future. 

[bt50]

1 minute ago, Torn Asunder said:

Here's the thing ... despite us forum tragic s knowing the truth about JVS and his limitations, what the average punter sees is us sitting second and just a few points off top, with Bruno & Timmy on our books, Gallop & Yoshi in our pocket, and an FFA cup final impending with healthy ticket sales.  Also, our membership is going very well.  

Unfortunately, JVS is not going anywhere just yet.

If we get smashed in the cup final, fall away from a top two chance and if Timmy or Bruno turn against him, then CFG would make their move early

Generally agree with what you are saying but I wont be surprised if he gets the sack if we lose the Cup Final, particularly if we can't take three points this weekend. The overlords know the fanbase is restless and each game played reduces the payout figure, the problem will be that they'd be required to install an interim until the end of the season most likely.

[KSK_47]

3 minutes ago, Torn Asunder said:

Here's the thing ... despite us forum tragic s knowing the truth about JVS and his limitations, what the average punter sees is us sitting second and just a few points off top, with Bruno & Timmy on our books, Gallop & Yoshi in our pocket, and an FFA cup final impending with healthy ticket sales.  Also, our membership is going very well.  

Unfortunately, JVS is not going anywhere just yet.

If we get smashed in the cup final, fall away from a top two chance and if Timmy or Bruno turn against him, then CFG would make their move early

Yup. The biggest problem we have is our newfound fan culture of uneducated theatre goers who are happy as long as they get a selfie with Timmy. Coupled with our leftover football "intellects" from the heart days who think winning things on FIFA means they know what they are talking about.

Thats why we have jvs still

[jw1739]

45 minutes ago, bt50 said:

Generally agree with what you are saying but I wont be surprised if he gets the sack if we lose the Cup Final, particularly if we can't take three points this weekend. The overlords know the fanbase is restless and each game played reduces the payout figure, the problem will be that they'd be required to install an interim until the end of the season most likely.

No need to sack. Just sideline. CFG should send out a senior assistant coach from Manchester for a month or two's "experience" and recall van 't Schip to HQ for "consultations."

Edited November 21, 2016 by jw1739

[KSK_47]

8 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

No need to sack. 

Yeah, nah

[Jestr]

On 21/11/2016 at 1:38 PM, jw1739 said:

recall van 't Schip to HQ for "consultations."

Wouldn't trust him to put the correct bins out on Monday night. 

[bt50]

2 hours ago, Jestr said:

Wouldn't trust him to put the correct bins out on Monday night. 

Tbf, this is a fucking nightmare these days.

[bt50]

Good article on JVS' tactics. Apologies for the formatting.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/11/23/melbourne-city-want-nothing-attack-end/

Melbourne City want for nothing in attack, but at the other end…

 

Columnist

By Tim Palmer, 23 Nov 2016

Since the City Football Group takeover, Melbourne City have been on a steadily upwards trajectory. The progress has sometimes been slow, but it has always been constant. The playing squad has been gradually overhauled, with an influx of genuine top-class talent combined with far greater strength in depth.

There have been off-field changes, too, with the construction of the highly impressive City Football Academy, investment in backroom staff and clear improvements in the many other components of a football club, such as social media and marketing.

The other constant besides change amidst all this upheaval has been the first team coach, John van’t Schip. This is his second stint at the club, having been the original coach in their first incarnation as Melbourne Heart. Returning in December 2013 – just a month before the City takeover – following the sacking of John Aloisi, he was handed a new contract by the contemporary ownership who were keen to maintain stability on the training pitch.

In his time in the A-League, Van’t Schip has been one of the A-League’s most fascinating managers. In his first tenure, he regularly switched between back three and back four systems, often adapting in accordance to how many attackers the opposition fielded.

He was part of the exciting period where modern tactics began to take a foothold in the league, thanks to the likes of Ange Postecoglou at Brisbane Roar and Vítězslav Lavička at Sydney FC. There became a greater emphasis on clear tactical structures and flexibility. Van’t Schip embodies the latter. He frequently changes systems to get the best out of his players.

For example, when he returned to Melbourne Heart after Aloisi’s departure, he immediately instigated a shift from a boxy, rigid 4-2-3-1 formation to a very fluid 4-4-2 diamond, where Mate Dugandzic was asked to play as a right winger without the ball, and as a forward with it, in order to accommodate Harry Kewell in a free role.

That is just the tip of Van’t Schip’s flexible iceberg. In the past two years alone, he has used a 5-2-2-1, 3-5-2, 3-4-1-2, 4-4-2 diamond and his favourite, 4-3-3. This was the formation City started last season with, using Aaron Mooy and Robert Koren ahead of Erik Paartalu.

As Bruno Fornaroli and Harry Novillo quickly became the stars of the show, however, Van’t Schip saw fit to adjust in order to maximise their attacking potential. With Aaron Mooy comfortable in a roaming midfield role, City ended the season in a 3-5-2, with Novillo and Fornaroli paired together up front.

This gave both the freedom to work across the width and depth of the attacking third, with the added bonus of a partner to occupy opposition centre-backs, creating more space for the other.

Additionally, by being positioned higher up the pitch when possession was won, they were able to combine quickly on the counter-attack. Together, the dynamic duo dominated in the final third, finishing the season with a combined 35 goals.

However, while Van’t Schip’s tinkering undoubtedly got the best out of his star trio (including Mooy), there were question marks defensively. City never seemed comfortable defending in wide areas in the 3-5-2, as it asked the wing-backs to cover a significant amount of ground.

Additionally, the likes of Patrick Kisnorbo and Aaron Hughes did not seem to have the mobility required as centre-backs in a back three, causing problems when opposition teams matched up man-for-man in attack.

The overall feeling was that City were succeeding because they could overwhelm teams in attack, rather than because of a balanced tactical strategy. With talent like Novillo, Fornaroli and Mooy upfront, that approach could be justified.

Yet recent A-League history suggests the successful teams are those with a solid, stable gameplan. Postecoglou’s Roar were built on a clear philosophy of dominating possession; Graham Arnold’s Central Coast Mariners were the epitome of defensive organisation; Tony Popovic’s Wanderers and Kevin Muscat’s Melbourne Victory were masters of collective pressing.

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These teams all had their stars, but the organisation of the side ensured success both when these players were excelling – and when they were not. Importantly, the tactics also ensured defensive balance was maintained. It is telling that the last seven premierships have been won by the team that has conceded the least goals in the regular season.

So, if City have been a steady upwards trajectory, the next step after last season’s semi-final appearance is success in the form of a premiership and/or Championship.

For that to occur, history suggests they need to find that magic formula of defensive solidity, collaborative attacking and star power. They do not lack for the latter, but the former two have been tricky to find despite Van’t Schip’s latest tactical tinkering.

This season’s experiments have been particularly fascinating. With the ball, City play something akin to an asymmetrical 3-1-2-4. With the left-back slightly higher than the right-back, and Michael Jakobsen playing a left-of-centre-back role, space is created for the goalkeeper to move forward in the build up, sometimes playing almost as a right centre-back.

 

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This allows for Neil Kilkenny or Osama Malik to play higher, between the lines, in a #6 role. Ahead of him are two midfielders, typically Luke Brattan and one of Tim Cahill, Anthony Caceres or Paolo Retre. Then, there is a front four stretched across the pitch. The two wingers stay very wide, dragging out opposition full-backs and creating space for the likes of Fornaroli, Cahill and Fernando Brandan in the middle.

The intent is to dominate possession and territory and without a doubt, City have been one of the most imposing sides tactically this season, always pushing opposition teams very deep with their control of the ball and desire to play in the opposition half.

Dotted lines indicate movements without the ball

Without the ball, City shape shift. The #6 drops back into the defence, creating a back four, with the wingers tucking in alongside the two central midfielders. This creates an orthodox 4-4-2 shape. It is complex stuff. It is designed to get the best out of Kilkenny, while also suiting the dribbling ability of Bruce Kamau, Brandan and Nicolas Colazo in wide areas. Importantly, it frees up Fornaroli and Cahill to play together upfront in their preferred positions.

The bigger question amidst all this tactical hijinkery, though, is whether it gets the best out of Melbourne City as a team. Going forward, questions are beginning to rise about whether they can play to the strengths of Fornaroli (who thrives off balls to feet, where he can roll off defenders with his back to goal or simply whip in fantastic curled shots if they stand off him) and Cahill when the two play together.

Cahill, of course, is a prolific header of the ball, and thrives best on early deliveries into the box towards the back post. City are finding it difficult to mesh the two approaches in attack, even with the 3-1-2-4.

Then, without the ball, there are even bigger problems. They have been attempting to play with a high line, but this combined with the complex positional adjustments required when the ball is lost means they are vulnerable to counter-attacks. Additionally, the high defensive line has not always been cohesive, with Kerem Bulut’s wrongly disallowed goal from the draw with the Wanderers a telling example of this.

City conceded late in that game because they tried to kill the tempo with long periods of steady possession – they kept the ball for the sake of it rather than trying to penetrate. It worked initially, but when they turned it over, they then sat very deep, inviting waves of pressure that eventually resulted in Kilkenny’s own goal.

That, in itself, hinted at another issue, that for all of Kilkenny’s strengths, he is not a natural defender. It is hard to imagine Matt Jurman or Alex Wilkinson, central to the league’s best defence at Sydney FC, being positioned as awkwardly for the cross where it was only possible for Kilkenny to clear it in one direction, towards goal.

Overall, while City have been tactically fascinating and entertaining in attack, there is the nagging feeling that they are not the sum of their parts, but rather, the sum of the parts of the stars. While that alone can take you far, A-League history shows that the greatest teams are exactly that – teams.

Melbourne City may succeed in spite of Van’t Schip, but it does not feel like they will succeed because of him.

Edited November 22, 2016 by bt50

[belaguttman]

this

Melbourne City may succeed in spite of Van’t Schip, but it does not feel like they will succeed because of him.

[KSK_47]

I was trying to explain my issues with jvs to sombody the other day and the best analogy i could come up with is that tactically he is like someone button mashing while using blanka from street fighter.

His attcak and special moves (thanks to a handful of brilliant players) are insanely difficult to defend. If you are not careful or try to fight using the same tactic you will end up getting your arse handed to you. But if you are smart, you know exactly whats coming so all you have to do is be patient and wait for the inevitable moments of vulnerability (and there will always be plenty of them) and fire a few sonic booms while he is going electric or do a somersault kick when he comes spinning towards you.

 

[Kiro Kompiro]

1 minute ago, KSK_47 said:

I was trying to explain my issues with jvs to sombody the other day and the best analogy i could come up with is that tactically he is like someone button mashing while using blanka from street fighter.

His attcak and special moves (thanks to a handful of brilliant players) are insanely difficult to defend. If you are not careful or try to fight using the same tactic you will end up getting your arse handed to you. But if you are smart, you know exactly whats coming so all you have to do is be patient and wait for the inevitable moments of vulnerability (and there will always be plenty of them) and fire a few sonic booms while he is going electric or do a somersault kick when he comes spinning towards you.

 

 

Yes, quite.

[Dylan]

Wont be sacked. Will see out contract. But given the Arnold rumors seems like they have started looking

[mjake1234]

22 hours ago, bt50 said:

Good article on JVS' tactics. Apologies for the formatting.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/11/23/melbourne-city-want-nothing-attack-end/

Melbourne City want for nothing in attack, but at the other end…

 

Columnist

By Tim Palmer, 23 Nov 2016

Since the City Football Group takeover, Melbourne City have been on a steadily upwards trajectory. The progress has sometimes been slow, but it has always been constant. The playing squad has been gradually overhauled, with an influx of genuine top-class talent combined with far greater strength in depth.

There have been off-field changes, too, with the construction of the highly impressive City Football Academy, investment in backroom staff and clear improvements in the many other components of a football club, such as social media and marketing.

The other constant besides change amidst all this upheaval has been the first team coach, John van’t Schip. This is his second stint at the club, having been the original coach in their first incarnation as Melbourne Heart. Returning in December 2013 – just a month before the City takeover – following the sacking of John Aloisi, he was handed a new contract by the contemporary ownership who were keen to maintain stability on the training pitch.

In his time in the A-League, Van’t Schip has been one of the A-League’s most fascinating managers. In his first tenure, he regularly switched between back three and back four systems, often adapting in accordance to how many attackers the opposition fielded.

He was part of the exciting period where modern tactics began to take a foothold in the league, thanks to the likes of Ange Postecoglou at Brisbane Roar and Vítězslav Lavička at Sydney FC. There became a greater emphasis on clear tactical structures and flexibility. Van’t Schip embodies the latter. He frequently changes systems to get the best out of his players.

For example, when he returned to Melbourne Heart after Aloisi’s departure, he immediately instigated a shift from a boxy, rigid 4-2-3-1 formation to a very fluid 4-4-2 diamond, where Mate Dugandzic was asked to play as a right winger without the ball, and as a forward with it, in order to accommodate Harry Kewell in a free role.

That is just the tip of Van’t Schip’s flexible iceberg. In the past two years alone, he has used a 5-2-2-1, 3-5-2, 3-4-1-2, 4-4-2 diamond and his favourite, 4-3-3. This was the formation City started last season with, using Aaron Mooy and Robert Koren ahead of Erik Paartalu.

As Bruno Fornaroli and Harry Novillo quickly became the stars of the show, however, Van’t Schip saw fit to adjust in order to maximise their attacking potential. With Aaron Mooy comfortable in a roaming midfield role, City ended the season in a 3-5-2, with Novillo and Fornaroli paired together up front.

This gave both the freedom to work across the width and depth of the attacking third, with the added bonus of a partner to occupy opposition centre-backs, creating more space for the other.

Additionally, by being positioned higher up the pitch when possession was won, they were able to combine quickly on the counter-attack. Together, the dynamic duo dominated in the final third, finishing the season with a combined 35 goals.

However, while Van’t Schip’s tinkering undoubtedly got the best out of his star trio (including Mooy), there were question marks defensively. City never seemed comfortable defending in wide areas in the 3-5-2, as it asked the wing-backs to cover a significant amount of ground.

Additionally, the likes of Patrick Kisnorbo and Aaron Hughes did not seem to have the mobility required as centre-backs in a back three, causing problems when opposition teams matched up man-for-man in attack.

The overall feeling was that City were succeeding because they could overwhelm teams in attack, rather than because of a balanced tactical strategy. With talent like Novillo, Fornaroli and Mooy upfront, that approach could be justified.

Yet recent A-League history suggests the successful teams are those with a solid, stable gameplan. Postecoglou’s Roar were built on a clear philosophy of dominating possession; Graham Arnold’s Central Coast Mariners were the epitome of defensive organisation; Tony Popovic’s Wanderers and Kevin Muscat’s Melbourne Victory were masters of collective pressing.

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These teams all had their stars, but the organisation of the side ensured success both when these players were excelling – and when they were not. Importantly, the tactics also ensured defensive balance was maintained. It is telling that the last seven premierships have been won by the team that has conceded the least goals in the regular season.

So, if City have been a steady upwards trajectory, the next step after last season’s semi-final appearance is success in the form of a premiership and/or Championship.

For that to occur, history suggests they need to find that magic formula of defensive solidity, collaborative attacking and star power. They do not lack for the latter, but the former two have been tricky to find despite Van’t Schip’s latest tactical tinkering.

This season’s experiments have been particularly fascinating. With the ball, City play something akin to an asymmetrical 3-1-2-4. With the left-back slightly higher than the right-back, and Michael Jakobsen playing a left-of-centre-back role, space is created for the goalkeeper to move forward in the build up, sometimes playing almost as a right centre-back.

 

 Follow

Tim Palmer @timpalmerftbl

Melbourne City integrating the goalkeeper in their build up to create 3v2 overload v Perth's front two in first pressing line

5:06 PM - 26 Oct 2016

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•  
   5555 Retweets
•  
•  
   9292 likes

This allows for Neil Kilkenny or Osama Malik to play higher, between the lines, in a #6 role. Ahead of him are two midfielders, typically Luke Brattan and one of Tim Cahill, Anthony Caceres or Paolo Retre. Then, there is a front four stretched across the pitch. The two wingers stay very wide, dragging out opposition full-backs and creating space for the likes of Fornaroli, Cahill and Fernando Brandan in the middle.

The intent is to dominate possession and territory and without a doubt, City have been one of the most imposing sides tactically this season, always pushing opposition teams very deep with their control of the ball and desire to play in the opposition half.

Dotted lines indicate movements without the ball

Without the ball, City shape shift. The #6 drops back into the defence, creating a back four, with the wingers tucking in alongside the two central midfielders. This creates an orthodox 4-4-2 shape. It is complex stuff. It is designed to get the best out of Kilkenny, while also suiting the dribbling ability of Bruce Kamau, Brandan and Nicolas Colazo in wide areas. Importantly, it frees up Fornaroli and Cahill to play together upfront in their preferred positions.

The bigger question amidst all this tactical hijinkery, though, is whether it gets the best out of Melbourne City as a team. Going forward, questions are beginning to rise about whether they can play to the strengths of Fornaroli (who thrives off balls to feet, where he can roll off defenders with his back to goal or simply whip in fantastic curled shots if they stand off him) and Cahill when the two play together.

Cahill, of course, is a prolific header of the ball, and thrives best on early deliveries into the box towards the back post. City are finding it difficult to mesh the two approaches in attack, even with the 3-1-2-4.

Then, without the ball, there are even bigger problems. They have been attempting to play with a high line, but this combined with the complex positional adjustments required when the ball is lost means they are vulnerable to counter-attacks. Additionally, the high defensive line has not always been cohesive, with Kerem Bulut’s wrongly disallowed goal from the draw with the Wanderers a telling example of this.

City conceded late in that game because they tried to kill the tempo with long periods of steady possession – they kept the ball for the sake of it rather than trying to penetrate. It worked initially, but when they turned it over, they then sat very deep, inviting waves of pressure that eventually resulted in Kilkenny’s own goal.

That, in itself, hinted at another issue, that for all of Kilkenny’s strengths, he is not a natural defender. It is hard to imagine Matt Jurman or Alex Wilkinson, central to the league’s best defence at Sydney FC, being positioned as awkwardly for the cross where it was only possible for Kilkenny to clear it in one direction, towards goal.

Overall, while City have been tactically fascinating and entertaining in attack, there is the nagging feeling that they are not the sum of their parts, but rather, the sum of the parts of the stars. While that alone can take you far, A-League history shows that the greatest teams are exactly that – teams.

Melbourne City may succeed in spite of Van’t Schip, but it does not feel like they will succeed because of him.

Good article from Palmer which precisely describes our problems albeit while giving too much intellectual credit to JVS.

[KSK_47]

2 hours ago, mjake1234 said:

 albeit while giving too much intellectual credit to JVS.

To be fair i think the article uses the most accurate word to describe jvs as a manager. "Fascinating".

While i could come up with quite a few other colourful words to describe him, for someone who does not support heart/city it must be fascinating trying to work out what the hell is going on inside that leathery tanned head of his.

Edited November 24, 2016 by KSK_47

[n i k o]

4 minutes ago, KSK_47 said:

To be fair i think the article uses the most accurate word to describe jvs as a manager. "Fascinating".

While i could come up with quite a few other colourful words to describe him, for someone who does not support heart/city it must be fascinating trying to work out what the hell is going on inside that leathery tanned head of his.

I think he has too many ideologies heavily influenced by his upbringing of Dutch football from the Cruyff. I dont think his football coaching has adapted to the times both tactically and philosophically. 

[KSK_47]

21 minutes ago, n i k o said:

I think he has too many ideologies heavily influenced by his upbringing of Dutch football from the Cruyff. 

I just think has only landed this gig because if his name and heritage. And he thought he was going to be able to bullshit his way through it because he is dutch and we are some backwards country that thinks football is a game you play with your hands