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Take em on.

Redmayne

Walker Vrankovic Weilart Behich

Murdocca Retre Garrucio

Mauk

Williams Mifsud

 

Yep, a midfield with no experience. Just what we need right now. 

 

Sure, I'm all for 'the Yoof Policy', but it needs to be balanced properly. That starting 11 is pretty weak if you ask me, and would be setting the squad up for a significant loss. 

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Take em on.

Redmayne

Walker Vrankovic Weilart Behich

Murdocca Retre Garrucio

Mauk

Williams Mifsud

 

Yep, a midfield with no experience. Just what we need right now. 

 

Sure, I'm all for 'the Yoof Policy', but it needs to be balanced properly. That starting 11 is pretty weak if you ask me, and would be setting the squad up for a significant loss.

Yes because the older players we have playing have done a sterling job.

How anyone can have Patrick Gerhardt in their side is beyond me. He is a liability.

Play the kids. In every line there is experience. It's a bit skewed to youth but has experienced filtered through it.

The position we are in now is dire. We need to win 10 out of 15 games to play finals you would say. Not impossible but close enough.

Restore some ethics and pride in the shirt, play these kids for next season. An eye for next season.

Too many of the senior players won't be with us next year. After a winless start what's the point of them?

My mindset is for next season. Club has blown this season. If the change of manager happened when it should have then maybe we play for the finals and shaking it up. Too long gone now. Let's play to win the 2014/2015 competition. Having a young core with good experience will be vital.

It's not like all these kids can't play. All have been impressive. Give them a chance to develop. No better way than playing week in week out. We are in a situation where that's possible to do.

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Take em on.

Redmayne

Walker Vrankovic Weilart Behich

Murdocca Retre Garrucio

Mauk

Williams Mifsud

Yep, a midfield with no experience. Just what we need right now.

Sure, I'm all for 'the Yoof Policy', but it needs to be balanced properly. That starting 11 is pretty weak if you ask me, and would be setting the squad up for a significant loss.

Yes because the older players we have playing have done a sterling job.

How anyone can have Patrick Gerhardt in their side is beyond me. He is a liability.

Play the kids. In every line there is experience. It's a bit skewed to youth but has experienced filtered through it.

The position we are in now is dire. We need to win 10 out of 15 games to play finals you would say. Not impossible but close enough.

Restore some ethics and pride in the shirt, play these kids for next season. An eye for next season.

Too many of the senior players won't be with us next year. After a winless start what's the point of them?

My mindset is for next season. Club has blown this season. If the change of manager happened when it should have then maybe we play for the finals and shaking it up. Too long gone now. Let's play to win the 2014/2015 competition. Having a young core with good experience will be vital.

It's not like all these kids can't play. All have been impressive. Give them a chance to develop. No better way than playing week in week out. We are in a situation where that's possible to do. Spot on.

Will also put a rocket through the squad and announce that no one is guaranteed a spot. You have 15 games to play for year career!! Sick of mediocrity - no, shit - being rewarded week after week with selection. Time to draw a line in the sand in so many ways.

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Take em on.

Redmayne

Walker Vrankovic Weilart Behich

Murdocca Retre Garrucio

Mauk

Williams Mifsud

Yep, a midfield with no experience. Just what we need right now.

Sure, I'm all for 'the Yoof Policy', but it needs to be balanced properly. That starting 11 is pretty weak if you ask me, and would be setting the squad up for a significant loss.Yes because the older players we have playing have done a sterling job.

How anyone can have Patrick Gerhardt in their side is beyond me. He is a liability.

Play the kids. In every line there is experience. It's a bit skewed to youth but has experienced filtered through it.

The position we are in now is dire. We need to win 10 out of 15 games to play finals you would say. Not impossible but close enough.

Restore some ethics and pride in the shirt, play these kids for next season. An eye for next season.

Too many of the senior players won't be with us next year. After a winless start what's the point of them?

My mindset is for next season. Club has blown this season. If the change of manager happened when it should have then maybe we play for the finals and shaking it up. Too long gone now. Let's play to win the 2014/2015 competition. Having a young core with good experience will be vital.

It's not like all these kids can't play. All have been impressive. Give them a chance to develop. No better way than playing week in week out. We are in a situation where that's possible to do. Spot on.

Will also put a rocket through the squad and announce that no one is guaranteed a spot. You have 15 games to play for year career!! Sick of mediocrity - no, shit - being rewarded week after week with selection. Time to draw a line in the sand in so many ways.

Owe you a like.

It's exactly what I'm feeling. Just over the mediocrity of this club. It's why I just want everyone associated removed.

Too many involved have gotten away with not quite murder, but almost of this club. None should remain.

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Take em on.

Redmayne

Walker Vrankovic Weilart Behich

Murdocca Retre Garrucio

Mauk

Williams Mifsud

Yep, a midfield with no experience. Just what we need right now.

Sure, I'm all for 'the Yoof Policy', but it needs to be balanced properly. That starting 11 is pretty weak if you ask me, and would be setting the squad up for a significant loss. Yes because the older players we have playing have done a sterling job.

How anyone can have Patrick Gerhardt in their side is beyond me. He is a liability.

Play the kids. In every line there is experience. It's a bit skewed to youth but has experienced filtered through it.

The position we are in now is dire. We need to win 10 out of 15 games to play finals you would say. Not impossible but close enough.

Restore some ethics and pride in the shirt, play these kids for next season. An eye for next season.

Too many of the senior players won't be with us next year. After a winless start what's the point of them?

My mindset is for next season. Club has blown this season. If the change of manager happened when it should have then maybe we play for the finals and shaking it up. Too long gone now. Let's play to win the 2014/2015 competition. Having a young core with good experience will be vital.

It's not like all these kids can't play. All have been impressive. Give them a chance to develop. No better way than playing week in week out. We are in a situation where that's possible to do. Spot on.

Will also put a rocket through the squad and announce that no one is guaranteed a spot. You have 15 games to play for year career!! Sick of mediocrity - no, shit - being rewarded week after week with selection. Time to draw a line in the sand in so many ways.

 

i sure that that has been read out to all the players

It's a new start, the past is over , everyone starts on equal footing, and playing for a job next season

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Take em on.

Redmayne

Walker Vrankovic Weilart Behich

Murdocca Retre Garrucio

Mauk

Williams Mifsud

Yep, a midfield with no experience. Just what we need right now.

Sure, I'm all for 'the Yoof Policy', but it needs to be balanced properly. That starting 11 is pretty weak if you ask me, and would be setting the squad up for a significant loss. Yes because the older players we have playing have done a sterling job.

How anyone can have Patrick Gerhardt in their side is beyond me. He is a liability.

Play the kids. In every line there is experience. It's a bit skewed to youth but has experienced filtered through it.

The position we are in now is dire. We need to win 10 out of 15 games to play finals you would say. Not impossible but close enough.

Restore some ethics and pride in the shirt, play these kids for next season. An eye for next season.

Too many of the senior players won't be with us next year. After a winless start what's the point of them?

My mindset is for next season. Club has blown this season. If the change of manager happened when it should have then maybe we play for the finals and shaking it up. Too long gone now. Let's play to win the 2014/2015 competition. Having a young core with good experience will be vital.

It's not like all these kids can't play. All have been impressive. Give them a chance to develop. No better way than playing week in week out. We are in a situation where that's possible to do. Spot on.

Will also put a rocket through the squad and announce that no one is guaranteed a spot. You have 15 games to play for year career!! Sick of mediocrity - no, shit - being rewarded week after week with selection. Time to draw a line in the sand in so many ways.

 

i sure that that has been read out to all the players

It's a new start, the past is over , everyone starts on equal footing, and playing for a job next season

 

 

There was that release from the board saying all football department jobs are under review. I assume thats because of the impending take over. Obviously that leaves out already contracted players, unless they are very serious and will pay players out. But I would rather they spend that money elsewhere. There was also a rumour around that JVS when he has been here as the technical director spent the vast majority of his time with the youth team, which may explain why under JA absolutely nothing changed no matter how bad the situation got. 

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This is silly. 

 

Walker---Wielaert--Vrankovic---Behich

----------Paddy G-----Murdocca--------

 

Rambo------------Kewell--------Williams

 

------------------Mifsud-------------------

 

Subs: Velaphi, Hoffman, Mauk, Gol Gol, Migliorini

 

This.

 

Won't do any of the youth any good to all be thrown in at the same time. The forward half of our youth squad are all way too raw so far and need to be introduced at different stages. Particularly Retre and Mauk. When I have seen them play they have looked lost on the field. Not to say they don't have positive attributes that can be developed and it's probably down to poor management from JA and a playing style that was hard to comprehend. But these players need to be nursed up to level rather than thrown to the wolves. I back Vrankovic to be the one of our current youth contracted players to make the biggest impact, who has potential to be more than just a back up A-League level player.

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Against CCM

               

                   Redmayne 

 

Walker   Vrankovic   Wielaert   Behich

 

          Migliorini    Murdocca

 

Dugandzic     Kewell      Garuccio

 

                     Mifsud

 

JVS will get the most out of Dugandzic. He got 7 goals and 7 assists in the season that JVS coached him. I also expect our wingers and fullbacks to lift in quality under JVS.

 

And..

                

                   Redmayne 

 

Walker   Vrankovic   Wielaert   Behich

 

          Engelaar    Murdocca

 

Dugandzic     Kewell      Garuccio

 

                     Mifsud

 

Soon.

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Find it strange that people we crying out for JA to be sacked but still would select the same players who have not won a game in 17.

Everyone has dropped the Hoff who has been one of the better players this year. Imagine he would been hung drawn and quartered if he had stopped running like Behich did.

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Find it strange that people we crying out for JA to be sacked but still would select the same players who have not won a game in 17.

Everyone has dropped the Hoff who has been one of the better players this year. Imagine he would been hung drawn and quartered if he had stopped running like Behich did.

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Take em on.RedmayneWalker Vrankovic Weilart BehichMurdocca Retre GarrucioMaukWilliams Mifsud

Just not sure why you still wouldn't have Kewell in your starting XI? Sure he didn't have his greatest game against the Nix and he may have no future at this club after the season. But a younger group of core midfielders will learn much more playing alongside HK in the second half of the season then they'll learn being thrown into the midfield alone.

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IMO the trouble is we don't know what brief JvS has accepted, apart from being the caretaker coach until the end of this season. Peter Sidwell is still talking up "finals football" but I'm not sure whether he really believes that that is possible. If we really wanted that, then JA should have been dumped much earlier, at least five matches ago; as it is JvS has not got any time at all for assessment and experimentation, he's got to try and change the style of play, and he's got to re-instill some confidence, all in a very narrow window.

 

My own preference would be to start the rebuild process sooner rather than later, but without wholesale changes all at once. Yes, I would keep Hoff at LB, and I would play Vrankovic alongside Wielaert at CB, Behich of course at LB. I would play 4-3-3, with a midfield of Harry, Murdocca and initially Mauk. IMO the front three is the real problem area - Garuccio surely has to feature, and Mifsud, but the rest have been so badly out of form that it's hard to complete the line. On balance I'd give Dugandzic a couple more chances.

 

And keep the ball on the bloody deck, as we don't have the aerial power anywhere in the side to be competing in the air.

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Sunday, 5 January 2014

Central Coast Mariners v Melbourne Heart

Bluetongue Stadium, Gosford

Kick-off: 5.00pm local (5.00pm AEDT)

Referee: Jarred Gillett

Assistant Referee 1: David Walsh

Assistant Referee 2: Leigh Pigram

Fourth Official: Stephen Lucas

TV Broadcast: 5.00pm (AEDT) Live and exclusive coverage on FOX Sports 1HD and Sky Sport 3 (New Zealand).

Radio Broadcast: Full coverage Online/Mobile phone app Second half coverage 92.5 ABC Central Coast, 774 ABC Melbourne, ABC Local radio Victoria, Grandstand Digital, Online/Mobile phone app

Join the conversation on Twitter using the hash-tag #CCMvMHT

To purchase tickets visit www.aleague.com.au/tickets

Central Coast Mariners Squad:1. Justin PASFIELD (Gk), 2. Daniel MCBREEN, 3. Joshua ROSE, 4. Marcel SEIP, 5. Zachary ANDERSON, 6. Brent GRIFFITHS, 7. John HUTCHINSON ©, 8. Nick MONTGOMERY, 9. Mitchell DUKE, 11. Nick FITZGERALD, 12. Liam REDDY (Gk), 13. Hayden MORTON, 14. Michael MCGLINCHEY, 15. Storm ROUX, 16. Trent SAINSBURY, 17. Anthony CACERES, 19. Matt SIMON, 21. Mile STERJOVSKI *two to be omitted*

Ins:6. Brent GRIFFITHS, 13. Hayden MORTON, 17. Anthony CACERES (all promoted)

Outs:10. Marcos FLORES (knee – indefinite {tests Friday})

Unavailable:22. Tom SLATER (back – 1 week), 23. Adam KWASNIK (knee – season)

Melbourne Heart Squad:1. Andrew REDMAYNE (GK), 3. Robbie WIELAERT, 6. Patrick GERHARDT, 7. Iain RAMSAY, 8. Massimo MURDOCCA, 10. Harry KEWELL ©, 11.Michael MIFSUD, 14. Golgol MEBRAHTU, 15. David WILLIAMS, 16. Aziz BEHICH, 17. Jason HOFFMAN, 18. David Vrankovic, 20. Tando VELAPHI (GK), 21. Stefan MAUK, 22. Nick KALMAR, 23. Mate DUGANDZIC, 24. Patrick KISNORBO, 25. Andrea MIGLIORINI. (Two to be omitted)

Ins:21. Stefan MAUK (promoted), 24. Patrick KISNORBO. (returns from suspension)

Outs:Nil.

Unavailable:4. Orlando ENGELAAR (Fractured tibia – 2-6 weeks), 13. Jonatan GERMANO. (Calf – 3-4 weeks)

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Preview: Central Coast Mariners v Melbourne Heart

 

By Sacha Pisani

 

Central Coast Mariners and Melbourne Heart will meet in Round 13 of the 2013-14 A-League season at Bluetongue Stadium on Sunday, January 5 at 5pm AEDT.

 

Head-to-head: 

Played 10 – Win: Mariners 7, Heart 1, Draws 2 

Previous encounter: 

Heart 2-2 Mariners, October 19, 2013 

Form: 

Past five matches:

Mariners: WLWLW

Heart: LLLDD 

 

The Game: 

Central Coast Mariners returned to the winners' list thanks to Michael McGlinchey's 96th-minute strike on New Year's Eve. The New Zealand international found the back of the net in injury-time to lift Central Coast to a 2-1 win at home to Perth Glory. The match was shrouded in controversy, however, after Glory skipper Jacob Burns saw red for a second bookable offence. Victory ensured Phil Moss' men ended the year on a positive note, while consolidating fourth spot ahead of rivals Newcastle Jets, who are one point adrift. 

 

It was another eventful week for cellar-dwellers Melbourne Heart after coach John Aloisi was relieved of his duties following the club's 1-0 loss to Wellington Phoenix at AAMI Park. The loss, Heart's eight of the season, extended their winless start to the season after 12 rounds. Heart have also gone a total of 17 games without a victory. Aloisi, who claimed just eight wins in 39 games in charge, was replaced by Dutchman John van 't Schip on an interim basis. Van 't Schip was the club's inaugural coach for the 2010-11 campaign before departing the following season.

The big issue: 

Mariners – Central Coast have failed to win back-to-back games this season. The Mariners have accounted for Perth Glory, Adelaide United, Wellington Phoenix and Sydney FC but are yet to back up winning performances. Another issue for the reigning champions is the absence of Marcos Flores, who is facing an extended spell on the sidelines with a knee injury. 

 

Heart – It's simple. Heart, who are nine points adrift at the foot of the table, need wins and fast. Interim coach van 't Schip has boldy targeted the A-League finals but wins are needed if they are to climb the ladder. Not only are Heart now 17 games without victory, their winless streak away from home stands at 19 games - a record for the competition. 

 

The game breaker: 

Harry Kewell – Heart are still searching for their first win of the season but they have shown some improvement since Kewell's return to the starting XI. The veteran forward, plagued by injury since the opening-round Melbourne derby, has started Heart's two most recent fixtures. And while he is yet to score a goal, his presence alone is enough to inspire his team-mates. 

 

Prediction: Mariners 1-2 Heart 

McGlinchey will play his final game for the Mariners before flying to Japan, where he will link up with former coach Graham Arnold at J-League club Vegalta Sendai on a season-long loan. Moss and the entire club will be hoping to send the Kiwi midfielder out a winner but their Melbourne opponents are set to break a few hearts, despite a poor record in Gosford.

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Trying to get my head around the nominated team. Only Mauk has been promoted. Why? Could it be:

 

1. The team is so demorilsed that by bringing in wholesale changes the morale drops even lower? Hence the squad will not be competitive for this match and perhaps for the rest of the season.

2. The youth team is not setting world on fire either, so although we see the good points of the young players we may be oblivious to their failings.

3. If the team succeeds then the players can lay the blame purely on the previous coaching (I know I do).

4. The motivator is that the players are starting with a clean sheet to which to prove themselves this week.

5. JvS has a different game plan to JA and therefore he will assess the players on his terms.

 

Given that CCM have lost two players for this match, (as well as a few more from last season) you would think that Heart will be able to put on a good show. Last time it was the penalties that enabled CCM to draw and thsi season their penalty taker has been Flores so perhaps none of the other players can take them just like last season.

 

Well I hope that in a space of 72 hours JvS is able to tweak them enough to get the points. The players need a win desperately.

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JVS could still ring in a few key changes with that extended squad, but I've got a feeling that he didn't pick it or influence it greatly. Or perhaps JVS just figures that he doesn't know enough about the whole squad to make many changes ATM, given that he literally just arrived in Melbourne an hour or so ago.

 

Most importantly though, I don't expect JVS' coaching to be anything like JA's, so thank god for that. Change has finally arrived.

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Yes change has arrived.. JVS will get the best out of the players who have been under performing.. The players will have a greater understanding of how to play the 4-3-3 formation and with most of the players playing for their futures I' expecting a dramatic improvement ... Hopefully it comes on Sunday ..

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A-League: Changing mindset the key for Melbourne Heart coach John Van 't Schip

January 4, 2014

 

Michael Lynch

 

The body might have been tired - after all, he had only just arrived from Europe on Thursday night - but the limbs were still lean and tan and the eyes keen and as quizzical as ever while John van 't Schip watched his players at Epping Stadium ahead of Sunday's clash with A-League champions Central Coast Mariners.

 

It was at once familiar and similarly all different as the tall Dutchman, dressed once again in the red, white and grey training gear of Melbourne's ''other'' A-League club, took charge of the session.

 

Van 't Schip, who was Heart's founding coach, the man who did such a lot to create the club and took it to a finals appearance in just its second season, is back in charge.

 

The circumstances, as he admitted, are far from ideal: his main involvement with Heart this year was supposed to be as a part-time technical director and mentor to the club's inexperienced second-year coaches John Aloisi and Hayden Foxe.

 

He found himself at Epping, in Melbourne's northern suburbs on Friday, having answered an SOS from the club's hierarchy after its patience ran out following Heart's 12-game winless start to the season.

 

Instead of guiding Aloisi and Foxe for the latter part of the campaign, he is replacing them after Aloisi was axed last Sunday and Foxe walked in support of his colleague and friend. ''It's never nice to come in a situation like this,'' van 't Schip said. ''I was only here just over a week ago, was watching games and being close to John Aloisi and Hayden, but we all know how football works.

 

''When the club asked me to help, I was back in Europe. I had a talk with my wife and decided to do it and help the club because it's a club I am very close to, I helped build it up a few years ago … for me, it was not difficult to say OK, I will come and help out for the rest of the season.''

 

Van 't Schip says he is not planning on a total revolution with change for change's sake. But he does want to alter the players' mindset, remove the fear that has haunted their performances, and get them playing with joy and enthusiasm.

He will not play youngsters for the sake of it, but he is likely to give fringe players and young players a chance.

 

''I am not just going to come here to make changes, I am going to have a good look at players who are willing to play, who have no fear. That might not always be the better player, for a lot of people, but it's about the team now, that's important.

 

''And I am also looking at some younger players, if I can see some knocking on the door then for sure they will get an opportunity to step in. At the moment is a bit difficult, but I will always have an eye for younger players.

 

''I believe in this team, otherwise I wouldn't have taken the job. They are at the bottom but that doesn't say that that's the quality of the team. There is a lot of quality here. For us, it's important now to get results and win games, but most importantly to start playing more free football.

 

''It's a mindset that has to change - to enjoy being on the pitch and expressing yourself as an individual and as a team. I think that's something maybe the last few months, because of the results, because of the pressure that got into the players, they didn't perform as well as they can.''

 

Van 't Schip so often exudes an air of coolness but despite his tiredness and the task that confronts him, he is excited at the challenge of lifting the club off the bottom of the table.

 

''Of course I am excited,'' he said. ''Being on the pitch today and coming out, I am a little bit exhausted but it gives energy. I feel we can still do some good things here, which is why I accepted the offer to come.''

 

He had been working with the Cruyff Institute, a soccer ''consultancy'' business set up by the great Dutch player Johan Cruyff, a man who was 50-year-old van 't Schip's mentor when he was a young player alongside the then-veteran legend at Ajax Amsterdam.

 

''I have a deal with them and one of the deals is that I am a coach,'' he said. ''When I am not coaching I work for them - I have a contract with them - but my main job is coaching the team I am with and that is now Heart.''

 

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/aleague-changing-mindset-the-key-for-melbourne-heart-coach-john-van-t-schip-20140103-309s9.html

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JVS is saying a lot of good things, like:

 

- 'the main thing is to start playing good football again and if you do that, the results will normally follow'

- He'll play players who aren't afraid 'I’m going to have a good look at players who are willing to play – who are not afraid and have no fear'

- Young players will be played ''And I am also looking at some younger players, if I can see some knocking on the door then for sure they will get an opportunity to step in. At the moment is a bit difficult, but I will always have an eye for younger players'

- But he won't makes changes for the sake of making changes. He'll only make changes to get us playing good football

- Thinks we have a good squad 'I believe in this team'   'They are at the bottom but that doesn't say that that's the quality of the team'

 

I don't expect miracles to happen quickly. But I reckon us actually having a capable coach will noticeably improve the team pretty quickly, and we'll just realise even more how much Aloisi was holding back the team.

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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but JvS played with one defensive midfielder as opposed to two under JA.

 

So I'm hoping we go back to a more attacking side this weekend:

Redmayne

Walker   -   Wieleart.  -   Vrankovic.  -   Behich

Murdocca

Garuccio.     -      Kewell

Dugandzic.     -      Mifsud      -      Williams

 

Bench: Velaphi, Kisnorbo, Migliorini, Kalmar (or Mauk), Gol Gol

Dropped: Hoffman, Gerhardt, Ramsay

 

As someone else has mentioned you can't just throw a whole bunch of youngsters in the team in one go, you need to keep the foundations and then build on top of that with a few youngsters. Not to mention they'll need to get their 'tickers' up to A-League standard; we don't want them running out of puff or getting any injuries.

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