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Hearing he is gone.

who from !!! I need facts and sources. Don't get me excited now !!!

sacking Aloisi is only a start, his replacement will be crucial. Not many coaches get to step into a job with a club in this position as the club is either facing certain relegation and the new coach either has nothing to lose or can spend a season or two rebuilding in a lower league. this team and club has been near destroyed, players have devolved, it will need to be a very special appointment. It won't be fixed by just sacking a poor coach.

You're absolutely right Bella, it won't be fixed by just sacking JA. But it's a start. The amount of frustration expressed around me tonight from Heart fans was incredible. No one "believes" any more. The club should do something and stop treating us like brainless mugs. I honestly think its got to the point where our brand is being damaged severely - surely this will impact on any sale price and certainly on future membership. Sometimes you've got to spend a little to avoid a huge loss. It's called preventative maintenance.

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Hearing he is gone.

who from !!! I need facts and sources. Don't get me excited now !!! sacking Aloisi is only a start, his replacement will be crucial. Not many coaches get to step into a job with a club in this position as the club is either facing certain relegation and the new coach either has nothing to lose or can spend a season or two rebuilding in a lower league. this team and club has been near destroyed, players have devolved, it will need to be a very special appointment. It won't be fixed by just sacking a poor coach.

They need to bring back the man who should have been given the job in the first place...Ante MIlicic

 

No, we need an experienced coach

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A group of us waited for him in the carpark after the game too let him know how we feel about the team and him.

To his absolute credit he didn't run away and shirk us (as a couple of players did) despite the fact we probably didn't look all that friendly and was happy to listen to what we had to say about him and the team.

One thing I will say is the guy has balls. I have a lot of respect for him on that. You can criticise him for being a poor coach, but to infer his immediate exit from the field is some sign of gutlessness, is ridiculous in the extreme.

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A group of us waited for him in the carpark after the game too let him know how we feel about the team and him.

To his absolute credit he didn't run away and shirk us (as a couple of players did) despite the fact we probably didn't look all that friendly and was happy to listen to what we had to say about him and the team.

One thing I will say is the guy has balls. I have a lot of respect for him on that. You can criticise him for being a poor coach, but to infer his immediate exit from the field is some sign of gutlessness, is ridiculous in the extreme.

What was said? What did he say?

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I think I've seen that same press conference around half a dozen times already this season.

 

"We created plenty of chances but we just need to learn how to punish teams."

 

If he thinks that it's just our finishing that needs improving, then I just have no more words for him. What complete and utter tripe.

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I noticed that he also mentioned that "another defensive error cost us the game", which means that its not just the finishing, but the defending that has been an ongoing problem too. That doesnt leave a whole lot more things that arent problems!

 

But the kicker for me was him saying "you can only do so much with the players you've got". This was HIS team! His excuse last season was that he didnt have the team he wanted. This year he hand picked his squad and has 3 assistant coaches and is still getting progressively worse. 

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I noticed that he also mentioned that "another defensive error cost us the game", which means that its not just the finishing, but the defending that has been an ongoing problem too. That doesnt leave a whole lot more things that arent problems!

 

But the kicker for me was him saying "you can only do so much with the players you've got". This was HIS team! His excuse last season was that he didnt have the team he wanted. This year he hand picked his squad and has 3 assistant coaches and is still getting progressively worse. 

Come on now, he does have a point... we're still without international superstars Macallister and Germano.

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I noticed that he also mentioned that "another defensive error cost us the game", which means that its not just the finishing, but the defending that has been an ongoing problem too. That doesnt leave a whole lot more things that arent problems!

 

But the kicker for me was him saying "you can only do so much with the players you've got". This was HIS team! His excuse last season was that he didnt have the team he wanted. This year he hand picked his squad and has 3 assistant coaches and is still getting progressively worse. 

Come on now, he does have a point... we're still without international superstars Macallister and Germano.

 

 

If only they didnt release Grey! We would be stomping the competition! 

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A group of us waited for him in the carpark after the game too let him know how we feel about the team and him.

To his absolute credit he didn't run away and shirk us (as a couple of players did) despite the fact we probably didn't look all that friendly and was happy to listen to what we had to say about him and the team.

One thing I will say is the guy has balls. I have a lot of respect for him on that. You can criticise him for being a poor coach, but to infer his immediate exit from the field is some sign of gutlessness, is ridiculous in the extreme.

What was said? What did he say?

 

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A group of us waited for him in the carpark after the game too let him know how we feel about the team and him.

To his absolute credit he didn't run away and shirk us (as a couple of players did) despite the fact we probably didn't look all that friendly and was happy to listen to what we had to say about him and the team.

One thing I will say is the guy has balls. I have a lot of respect for him on that. You can criticise him for being a poor coach, but to infer his immediate exit from the field is some sign of gutlessness, is ridiculous in the extreme.

It's not personal, I want to see him succeed as a coach as much as anyone else but starting your coaching career in a salary capped competition where the quality of the coach and back room staff is the biggest variable threatens his career and the club. He's clearly a very experienced footballer but is a very inexperienced coach. He may well be a great guy and I wish him lots of success in his new job, he's welcome back when he has a record of success as a coach.

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Personally not buying the whole "let the new owners buy him out" garbage

 

You dont buy out a contract. You just continue to pay them their weekly wage ie. Chelsea with Di Matteo. 

 

I feel its out of Munns hands though now we are so close to a takeover. We need to pressure the new owners to get rid

 

Id personally suggest Ricki Herbert. Had a lean spell with the Nix last year but I still cant forget what he achieved at the 2010 World Cup with New Zealand. Give him a crack IMO 

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A group of us waited for him in the carpark after the game too let him know how we feel about the team and him.

To his absolute credit he didn't run away and shirk us (as a couple of players did) despite the fact we probably didn't look all that friendly and was happy to listen to what we had to say about him and the team.

One thing I will say is the guy has balls. I have a lot of respect for him on that. You can criticise him for being a poor coach, but to infer his immediate exit from the field is some sign of gutlessness, is ridiculous in the extreme.

What was said? What did he say?

We spoke to him as the hardcore of the supporter base.

About how much money, effort and time we put into the club with tifo, away trips and singing and that we want the coach and players to play with the same passion we show them when our club plays. That we want the team to play for us.

We weren't happy about how all the players and coaches left the field (bar Redmayne) without acknowledgement of us, and we let him know. That it's not good enough to only acknowledge us after getting a reasonable 3-3 result against Adelaide a few weeks ago. That we're hurting like they are and we want them to face us through the bad results and not just the good ones.

We made the point of us having a supporter meeting with the players and coaches during the week, to help us get out of this rot and get them playing for us. And Aloisi said "that would be a really good idea" and that would be helpful if we could get group of us down to training this week so he can get the players over for a talk to us.

A few lads spoke about tactics, signings and player selections with him. Which is always difficult to talk about as supporters from the outside, because we're not there day in, day out like the coaches are during the week. I got the impression that he would love to do more but that they are very much hampered with the small budget they have to work with as coaches at our club, which comes down to the board.

Getting rid of Aloisi alone won't fix the issues.

He acknowledged that a lot of us had chanted for him to go. It was a frank discussion and at times a little heated, but to his credit he didn't shy from any questions.

As he and we suggested. Should he remain in charge, the best thing we can do is get down to training this week and speak to the players and try and get the team playing for us. People can speak on here all they want, but I'm dead sick of losing, if us getting down to training can be the start of a culture change then I'm all for it.

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It's not just Aloisi's fault.  The board must resign as well.  Remember it was the board that chose JA over Ante Miicic (look how he is going at WSW). They chose JA because he was a better "face" for the club; better for marketing.  Just where in this decision does football on the park rate?  Milicic tod the board what to do, he wanted an experienced assistant.  So what does our board decide?  1) We put marketing ahead of football. 2) We will pick an inexperienced coach with only one year at youth level. 3) We appoint Hayden Foxe an inexperienced coach as assistant. 4) We allow Ante Miicic who served two years as an apprentice to John Van Scipp to leave. 5) We pat ourselves on the back for saving all this money 6) We refuse to acknowledge our errors and allow this club to spiral into the abyss.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The board have a lot to answer for.  They must resign and hand back the licence to the FFA.  They do not deserve to make a profit after what they have done to our club.  

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A group of us waited for him in the carpark after the game too let him know how we feel about the team and him.

To his absolute credit he didn't run away and shirk us (as a couple of players did) despite the fact we probably didn't look all that friendly and was happy to listen to what we had to say about him and the team.

One thing I will say is the guy has balls. I have a lot of respect for him on that. You can criticise him for being a poor coach, but to infer his immediate exit from the field is some sign of gutlessness, is ridiculous in the extreme.

What was said? What did he say?

 

 

We spoke to him as the hardcore of the supporter base.

About how much money, effort and time we put into the club with tifo, away trips and singing and that we want the coach and players to play with the same passion we show them when our club plays. That we want the team to play for us.

We weren't happy about how all the players and coaches left the field (bar Redmayne) without acknowledgement of us, and we let him know. That it's not good enough to only acknowledge us after getting a reasonable 3-3 result against Adelaide a few weeks ago. That we're hurting like they are and we want them to face us through the bad results and not just the good ones.

We made the point of us having a supporter meeting with the players and coaches during the week, to help us get out of this rot and get them playing for us. And Aloisi said "that would be a really good idea" and that would be helpful if we could get group of us down to training this week so he can get the players over for a talk to us.

A few lads spoke about tactics, signings and player selections with him. Which is always difficult to talk about as supporters from the outside, because we're not there day in, day out like the coaches are during the week. I got the impression that he would love to do more but that they are very much hampered with the small budget they have to work with as coaches at our club, which comes down to the board.

Getting rid of Aloisi alone won't fix the issues.

He acknowledged that a lot of us had chanted for him to go. It was a frank discussion and at times a little heated, but to his credit he didn't shy from any questions.

As he and we suggested. Should he remain in charge, the best thing we can do is get down to training this week and speak to the players and try and get the team playing for us. People can speak on here all they want, but I'm dead sick of losing, if us getting down to training can be the start of a culture change then I'm all for it.

 

Great to hear this, do we know training times and locations? One of the many problems f course is that we don;t have a permanent training base.

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The board have a lot to answer for.  They must resign and hand back the licence to the FFA.

 Ummm if they do that OUR club will fold. You sure its your club too?

 

It's not a club, we aren't members. It's a franchise and we are consumers. I wonder if we have any recourse under consumer protection law? Any lawyers here?

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A group of us waited for him in the carpark after the game too let him know how we feel about the team and him.

To his absolute credit he didn't run away and shirk us (as a couple of players did) despite the fact we probably didn't look all that friendly and was happy to listen to what we had to say about him and the team.

One thing I will say is the guy has balls. I have a lot of respect for him on that. You can criticise him for being a poor coach, but to infer his immediate exit from the field is some sign of gutlessness, is ridiculous in the extreme.

What was said? What did he say?

We spoke to him as the hardcore of the supporter base.

About how much money, effort and time we put into the club with tifo, away trips and singing and that we want the coach and players to play with the same passion we show them when our club plays. That we want the team to play for us.

We weren't happy about how all the players and coaches left the field (bar Redmayne) without acknowledgement of us, and we let him know. That it's not good enough to only acknowledge us after getting a reasonable 3-3 result against Adelaide a few weeks ago. That we're hurting like they are and we want them to face us through the bad results and not just the good ones.

We made the point of us having a supporter meeting with the players and coaches during the week, to help us get out of this rot and get them playing for us. And Aloisi said "that would be a really good idea" and that would be helpful if we could get group of us down to training this week so he can get the players over for a talk to us.

A few lads spoke about tactics, signings and player selections with him. Which is always difficult to talk about as supporters from the outside, because we're not there day in, day out like the coaches are during the week. I got the impression that he would love to do more but that they are very much hampered with the small budget they have to work with as coaches at our club, which comes down to the board.

Getting rid of Aloisi alone won't fix the issues.

He acknowledged that a lot of us had chanted for him to go. It was a frank discussion and at times a little heated, but to his credit he didn't shy from any questions.

As he and we suggested. Should he remain in charge, the best thing we can do is get down to training this week and speak to the players and try and get the team playing for us. People can speak on here all they want, but I'm dead sick of losing, if us getting down to training can be the start of a culture change then I'm all for it.

Great to hear this, do we know training times and locations? One of the many problems f course is that we don;t have a permanent training base.

Massimo said 1030 every day at Epping.

Mon, Tues, Thurs or Friday this week.

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A group of us waited for him in the carpark after the game too let him know how we feel about the team and him.

To his absolute credit he didn't run away and shirk us (as a couple of players did) despite the fact we probably didn't look all that friendly and was happy to listen to what we had to say about him and the team.

One thing I will say is the guy has balls. I have a lot of respect for him on that. You can criticise him for being a poor coach, but to infer his immediate exit from the field is some sign of gutlessness, is ridiculous in the extreme.

What was said? What did he say?

 

 

We spoke to him as the hardcore of the supporter base.

About how much money, effort and time we put into the club with tifo, away trips and singing and that we want the coach and players to play with the same passion we show them when our club plays. That we want the team to play for us.

We weren't happy about how all the players and coaches left the field (bar Redmayne) without acknowledgement of us, and we let him know. That it's not good enough to only acknowledge us after getting a reasonable 3-3 result against Adelaide a few weeks ago. That we're hurting like they are and we want them to face us through the bad results and not just the good ones.

We made the point of us having a supporter meeting with the players and coaches during the week, to help us get out of this rot and get them playing for us. And Aloisi said "that would be a really good idea" and that would be helpful if we could get group of us down to training this week so he can get the players over for a talk to us.

A few lads spoke about tactics, signings and player selections with him. Which is always difficult to talk about as supporters from the outside, because we're not there day in, day out like the coaches are during the week. I got the impression that he would love to do more but that they are very much hampered with the small budget they have to work with as coaches at our club, which comes down to the board.

Getting rid of Aloisi alone won't fix the issues.

He acknowledged that a lot of us had chanted for him to go. It was a frank discussion and at times a little heated, but to his credit he didn't shy from any questions.

As he and we suggested. Should he remain in charge, the best thing we can do is get down to training this week and speak to the players and try and get the team playing for us. People can speak on here all they want, but I'm dead sick of losing, if us getting down to training can be the start of a culture change then I'm all for it.

 

Great to hear this, do we know training times and locations? One of the many problems f course is that we don;t have a permanent training base.

 

 

 

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I'm sorry but 

 

 

 

 

A group of us waited for him in the carpark after the game too let him know how we feel about the team and him.

To his absolute credit he didn't run away and shirk us (as a couple of players did) despite the fact we probably didn't look all that friendly and was happy to listen to what we had to say about him and the team.

One thing I will say is the guy has balls. I have a lot of respect for him on that. You can criticise him for being a poor coach, but to infer his immediate exit from the field is some sign of gutlessness, is ridiculous in the extreme.



What was said? What did he say?

 

 


We spoke to him as the hardcore of the supporter base.

About how much money, effort and time we put into the club with tifo, away trips and singing and that we want the coach and players to play with the same passion we show them when our club plays. That we want the team to play for us.

We weren't happy about how all the players and coaches left the field (bar Redmayne) without acknowledgement of us, and we let him know. That it's not good enough to only acknowledge us after getting a reasonable 3-3 result against Adelaide a few weeks ago. That we're hurting like they are and we want them to face us through the bad results and not just the good ones.

We made the point of us having a supporter meeting with the players and coaches during the week, to help us get out of this rot and get them playing for us. And Aloisi said "that would be a really good idea" and that would be helpful if we could get group of us down to training this week so he can get the players over for a talk to us.

A few lads spoke about tactics, signings and player selections with him. Which is always difficult to talk about as supporters from the outside, because we're not there day in, day out like the coaches are during the week. I got the impression that he would love to do more but that they are very much hampered with the small budget they have to work with as coaches at our club, which comes down to the board.

Getting rid of Aloisi alone won't fix the issues.

He acknowledged that a lot of us had chanted for him to go. It was a frank discussion and at times a little heated, but to his credit he didn't shy from any questions.

As he and we suggested. Should he remain in charge, the best thing we can do is get down to training this week and speak to the players and try and get the team playing for us. People can speak on here all they want, but I'm dead sick of losing, if us getting down to training can be the start of a culture change then I'm all for it.

 

I'm sorry but I think this is all wasted breath. All this "get the team playing for us" bullshit. That's just a way of not concentrating on the fact JA can't coach. 

 

I would have simply said "You're not a good coach and you should resign if you have any balls." Of course I'd be too much of a wimp to say this...

 

I don't think he showed balls by talking to you. He's a charmer. That's what he's good at. 

 

He's not good at coaching. 

 

Quitting would show he has balls. 

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A group of us waited for him in the carpark after the game too let him know how we feel about the team and him.

To his absolute credit he didn't run away and shirk us (as a couple of players did) despite the fact we probably didn't look all that friendly and was happy to listen to what we had to say about him and the team.

One thing I will say is the guy has balls. I have a lot of respect for him on that. You can criticise him for being a poor coach, but to infer his immediate exit from the field is some sign of gutlessness, is ridiculous in the extreme.

What was said? What did he say?

 

 

We spoke to him as the hardcore of the supporter base.

About how much money, effort and time we put into the club with tifo, away trips and singing and that we want the coach and players to play with the same passion we show them when our club plays. That we want the team to play for us.

We weren't happy about how all the players and coaches left the field (bar Redmayne) without acknowledgement of us, and we let him know. That it's not good enough to only acknowledge us after getting a reasonable 3-3 result against Adelaide a few weeks ago. That we're hurting like they are and we want them to face us through the bad results and not just the good ones.

We made the point of us having a supporter meeting with the players and coaches during the week, to help us get out of this rot and get them playing for us. And Aloisi said "that would be a really good idea" and that would be helpful if we could get group of us down to training this week so he can get the players over for a talk to us.

A few lads spoke about tactics, signings and player selections with him. Which is always difficult to talk about as supporters from the outside, because we're not there day in, day out like the coaches are during the week. I got the impression that he would love to do more but that they are very much hampered with the small budget they have to work with as coaches at our club, which comes down to the board.

Getting rid of Aloisi alone won't fix the issues.

He acknowledged that a lot of us had chanted for him to go. It was a frank discussion and at times a little heated, but to his credit he didn't shy from any questions.

As he and we suggested. Should he remain in charge, the best thing we can do is get down to training this week and speak to the players and try and get the team playing for us. People can speak on here all they want, but I'm dead sick of losing, if us getting down to training can be the start of a culture change then I'm all for it.

 

 

Don't really see the point of this tbh.  It seems to buy into Aloisi's idea that all we need is a bit more passion and hard work (and luck, obviously).  I would say these are two areas we don't appear to be lacking in.  It also continues to imply that the players are the problem.  No matter how hard you work, you aren't going to become a successful club playing counter-attacking, long ball football at home against the 2nd worst team in the league.

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A group of us waited for him in the carpark after the game too let him know how we feel about the team and him.

To his absolute credit he didn't run away and shirk us (as a couple of players did) despite the fact we probably didn't look all that friendly and was happy to listen to what we had to say about him and the team.

One thing I will say is the guy has balls. I have a lot of respect for him on that. You can criticise him for being a poor coach, but to infer his immediate exit from the field is some sign of gutlessness, is ridiculous in the extreme.

What was said? What did he say?

 

 

We spoke to him as the hardcore of the supporter base.

About how much money, effort and time we put into the club with tifo, away trips and singing and that we want the coach and players to play with the same passion we show them when our club plays. That we want the team to play for us.

We weren't happy about how all the players and coaches left the field (bar Redmayne) without acknowledgement of us, and we let him know. That it's not good enough to only acknowledge us after getting a reasonable 3-3 result against Adelaide a few weeks ago. That we're hurting like they are and we want them to face us through the bad results and not just the good ones.

We made the point of us having a supporter meeting with the players and coaches during the week, to help us get out of this rot and get them playing for us. And Aloisi said "that would be a really good idea" and that would be helpful if we could get group of us down to training this week so he can get the players over for a talk to us.

A few lads spoke about tactics, signings and player selections with him. Which is always difficult to talk about as supporters from the outside, because we're not there day in, day out like the coaches are during the week. I got the impression that he would love to do more but that they are very much hampered with the small budget they have to work with as coaches at our club, which comes down to the board.

Getting rid of Aloisi alone won't fix the issues.

He acknowledged that a lot of us had chanted for him to go. It was a frank discussion and at times a little heated, but to his credit he didn't shy from any questions.

As he and we suggested. Should he remain in charge, the best thing we can do is get down to training this week and speak to the players and try and get the team playing for us. People can speak on here all they want, but I'm dead sick of losing, if us getting down to training can be the start of a culture change then I'm all for it.

 

 

Don't really see the point of this tbh.  It seems to buy into Aloisi's idea that all we need is a bit more passion and hard work (and luck, obviously).  I would say these are two areas we don't appear to be lacking in.  It also continues to imply that the players are the problem.  No matter how hard you work, you aren't going to become a successful club playing counter-attacking, long ball football at home against the 2nd worst team in the league.

 

My opinion for what its worth his biggest problem is his ego had he have reverted to a traditional 4-4-2 rather than thinking his style with alot of work is going to work. When a team is down on confidence you go back to basics. i personally think results could of been alot different to what they are!

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FFS, he's had a whole pre-season to get the players he wanted, and he's had two pre-seasons and a season-and-a-half to manage the on-field performances...now it's a good idea for a few dedicated fans to trek out to Woop-Woop to training and motivate the players? And some people reckon he's on $200-$300k a year.

 

Gimme a break. I'd like to have seen my boss's face if I'd suggested something similar - to get in a few interested parties to motivate my team. In fact I wouldn't - he'd have gone purple round the gills, told me "That's what you're paid for. Fix it!" and stormed out of the room.

 

If we were in almost any other league around the world we'd be staring at relegation for consecutive seasons.

 

The buck is with JA, not the fans.

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Where was his 'I'm all heart' fist pumping extravaganza tonight? No apology to the fans that turned up?

As said in another thread, respect to redmayne for at least sticking around to talk to the fans

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I'm sorry but I think this is all wasted breath. All this "get the team playing for us" bullshit. That's just a way of not concentrating on the fact JA can't coach. 

 

 

I would have simply said "You're not a good coach and you should resign if you have any balls." Of course I'd be too much of a wimp to say this...

 

I don't think he showed balls by talking to you. He's a charmer. That's what he's good at. 

 

He's not good at coaching. 

 

Quitting would show he has balls. 

 

Yeah. I tend to agree with this. What did the fan forums where all this was discussed last season achieve? Talk time is over.

 

Aloisi seems like a very nice guy and clearly cares deeply for the club, but that applies to pretty much every Heart supporter I have ever met too. Does not mean they should be coaching. Yes, sacking him/him resigning will not solve all our problems. I am aware that these issues run far deeper than just him- but it would be a pretty fucking good start.

 

What I would really like to see is an email sent to every member from the people responsible for giving him the job explaining the criteria used to come to the decision he was the most suitable man for the role.

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