Forever City Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Ross MOTM with Bart coming in close second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lime Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) Great win. Defending really well this year. Galekovic is a rock. Muscat was very poor tonight though. Everything dangerous from Adelaide came through him, caught in no-man's land a lot and is still too accident-prone. Would like to see Schenkeveld at right back and Jakobsen back in the centre of defense once Jamo is over his injury. Other than that, very happy. They had some half chances and Eugene was very good but we also created the best chance of the second half, Mauk should have scored. The Malik yellows were two of the softest ones ever and Bruce's at the end was even worse:, he cleared the ball, Adelaide guy got him late and a yellow to Bruce!! Ref was poor in that regard. But happy with the three points! Would love to beat Sydney in the battle of the two boring defensive teams ... Edited October 28, 2017 by dr lime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Amazing effort from the boys, loving this at the moment. Malik red and Jamo injury will probably solve a selection dilemma next week - Brattan and Kilkenny should walk into that midfield now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 A very good game to win but next week will be a real test of our bona fides. Positives: We won. We won away. We won ugly. We didn't crumble under pressure, kept our shape and defended well. Another clean sheet Fitness levels are good We have Killer to come in for Malik. Negatives: we should have scored at least 4 We rode our luck at times and Manny Muscat is a red card waiting to happen. Sydney won't be as wasteful as Adelaide was Ugly football, we are relying too much on individual brilliance rather than an attacking system. We struggle to keep the ball in midfield and are winning back the ball too deep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Shahanga said: Well people see what they want to see. For mine it's a new Brucey this year. Works so hard, fights for every thing. Has no vision, is responsible for stuffing up a majority of our attack, and plays dumb. Absolute unforgivable for a RW. Edited October 28, 2017 by playmaker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 minute ago, belaguttman said: Negatives: we should have scored at least 4 We rode our luck at times and Manny Muscat is a red card waiting to happen. Sydney won't be as wasteful as Adelaide was Ugly football, we are relying too much on individual brilliance rather than an attacking system. We struggle to keep the ball in midfield and are winning back the ball too deep F... me Bela. We won 2-0, away from, 10 men and a juvenile ref. We're sitting top of the ladder, 4 from 4 and have conceded only once. Not sure how you can find negatives in that performance, especially given the above. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, Forever City said: Ross MOTM with Bart coming in close second. Could have easily been the other way round but geez that second goal from Ross was all class and quality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC22 Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Yes boys. Can't believe the team I'm watching this year, just so different. Wazza really looking the goods 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 minute ago, rass said: F... me Bela. We won 2-0, away from, 10 men and a juvenile ref. We're sitting top of the ladder, 4 from 4 and have conceded only once. Not sure how you can find negatives in that performance, especially given the above. We can improve We should improve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever City Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Will Killa or Brattan start vs Sydney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Just now, Forever City said: Will Killa or Brattan start vs Sydney. I'd start Killer, we'll need a better defensive midfield 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Just now, belaguttman said: I'd start Killer, we'll need a better defensive midfield Brattan is a better defensive player. Brattan for mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Forever City said: Will Killa or Brattan start vs Sydney. Think they both will. Big question mark over Jammo now. Joyce obviously has Brattan ahead in that race, however I have to confess to sbring a member of the Neil Kilkenny fan club. Can't remember a bad game and every time I looked st where he was in s game last year, his positioning was perfect. Edited October 28, 2017 by Shahanga 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lime Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 minute ago, belaguttman said: We can improve We should improve We will Improve.. I think. Our bench tonight plus Fornaroli, Killer and Brandan would probably make the basis of a top four team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rass Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 minute ago, belaguttman said: We can improve We should improve We will improve. But it's a bit much getting stuck into our style of play, in particular midfield retention when we're 1 man down away from home. That was always going to happen. What's more important is how we dealt with that and to win it 2-0 has shown that so far, there is something very different about this team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Shahanga said: Think they both will. Big question mark over Jammo now. I'd like to see them both behind Mauk with Jakobson dropping into the back 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Just the 4th team to win their first 4 games of the season in the league. Wazza is the first A-League coach to win his first 4 games also. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffplz Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 All clubs whove won their first 4 have gone on to win the championship. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 19 minutes ago, Dylan said: Well shows how much I know Same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Just now, rass said: We will improve. But it's a bit much getting stuck into our style of play, in particular midfield retention when we're 1 man down away from home. That was always going to happen. What's more important is how we dealt with that and to win it 2-0 has shown that so far, there is something very different about this team. Even in the first half we only had 75% pass completion, 55% in the second half, that just keeps us under the pump. Our saving grace this season has been our high scoring efficiency. I can't find the figure but we have been very potent. We do need a good defence but we need to improve so that it isn't under such constant pressure. I'm enjoying the wins but we need to attack as well as we defend especially if we want to do well in the ACL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony999 Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 As Bela would've said: this is a game we should win, but we'll lose. Now it's more like: this is a game we should win and WE'LL WIN THEM ALL THE TIME. Season in the bag. We're ganna win the league! You heard it from me first. Green line in advance thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missing_Moy Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, belaguttman said: Even in the first half we only had 75% pass completion, 55% in the second half, that just keeps us under the pump. Our saving grace this season has been our high scoring efficiency. I can't find the figure but we have been very potent. We do need a good defence but we need to improve so that it isn't under such constant pressure. I'm enjoying the wins but we need to attack as well as we defend especially if we want to do well in the ACL We haven’t even qualified for the ACL - so the beautiful football can wait until were solid enough to win our own league before worrying about that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Jovan said: Same here. Not sure what you're talking about? pre-season @Dylan yourself and I were Wazzas strongest supporters. Anyone who knew anything about football (like us 3) knew that that Sydney game was a total aberration and that we were well placed to take the A League by storm. (now best get to editing old posts) Edited October 28, 2017 by Shahanga 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 14 minutes ago, Missing_Moy said: We haven’t even qualified for the ACL - so the beautiful football can wait until were solid enough to win our own league before worrying about that! No, but if that's the plan we should have the structures in place and a plan to work towards it. Individual brilliance will score for us in the HAL but not in the ACL. If we want to be successful and ambitious we should enjoy the wins but always strive to be better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, belaguttman said: No, but if that's the plan we should have the structures in place and a plan to work towards it. Individual brilliance will score for us in the HAL but not in the ACL. If we want to be successful and ambitious we should enjoy the wins but always strive to be better We have got a plan and structures in place and it's called defensive counter attack but it's unfortunate that we haven't got the attacking quality on the pitch to execute it correctly or we would have been 4 up by the 70th minute. Again we displayed a Defensive Master-class and the system is as clear as day but we need better players with better vision and smarts to execute our attacks quickly and direct. That being said, we are 4 wins 0 losses so using results as the ultimate measure of success we are doing everything right. Now let's kick those dirty smurf pretender's arses next match and put real fear into this competition. Great win Wazza, Come on City!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris p Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 26 minutes ago, belaguttman said: No, but if that's the plan we should have the structures in place and a plan to work towards it. Individual brilliance will score for us in the HAL but not in the ACL. If we want to be successful and ambitious we should enjoy the wins but always strive to be better Well the wanderers won the acl playing almost exclusively on the counter attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombegongal Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Deluka said: Joyce really doesn't like using all three subs Or pants he hates pants. I bet he also doesn't finish his easter eggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) I agree that we are well structured defensively and it's very good to see. The problems start after the ball leaves our back 4. Defensive counter-attack still requires effective possession, and that is arguably missing. I'll agree with the argument that we scored 2 goals and AU scored none, therefore our possession must have been effective, however, I'd worry if the plan were to play like this all season. Teams like the smurfs are more efficient with their scoring opportunities and also have a more effective defence. Wanderers did win playing counter-attack and did it with a much less talented squad because they had an attacking plan. I'm worried that our current plan (kick it long to the striker) won't be as effective when Bruno returns as he's a different type of player. I really hope that we can find a way to keep McCormack and effectively play both but we still need a more sophisticated plan. I'm somewhat hopeful as we still have Marcin, Brandan, Carusca and Bruno to fit into the starting XI and they are all more creative, but we also need the attacking plan and strucure Edited October 28, 2017 by belaguttman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lime Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Lack of a good #10 has hampered us going forward. Mauk does good work closing down but is largely a workhorse and doesn't really create an outlet target, hold the ball up, create chances with good through balls, etc. Not sure why we are waiting so long to play Polish there. Perhaps next week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyh001 Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, playmaker said: Has no vision, is responsible for stuffing up a majority of our attack, and plays dumb. Absolute unforgivable for a RW. 31 minutes ago, playmaker said: We have got a plan and structures in place and it's called defensive counter attack but it's unfortunate that we haven't got the attacking quality on the pitch to execute it correctly or we would have been 4 up by the 70th minute. Again we displayed a Defensive Master-class and the system is as clear as day but we need better players with better vision and smarts to execute our attacks quickly and direct. That being said, we are 4 wins 0 losses so using results as the ultimate measure of success we are doing everything right. Now let's kick those dirty smurf pretender's arses next match and put real fear into this competition. Great win Wazza, Come on City!!!! We've got Muscat at RB and play a defensive style. The fact he got away with so much / didn't get sent off must mean either god's finally listening or some one on the right side is helping a shit load If only it we had a RW who could do everything (particularly in a salary cap system) 🤔🤔🤔 Or may be we should find a team who who wins 10-0 each week. You make it sound so simple PS the funny thing is I didn't highlight / bold a single thing from quoted posts. Funny how (as others have nicely pointed out) some see what they want to see Edited October 28, 2017 by mattyh001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniboi Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 I think we should bring Dean back in goals...sure Eugene is having a phenomenal season, but why don't we all think of the distribution? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 6 hours ago, daniboi said: I think we should bring Dean back in goals...sure Eugene is having a phenomenal season, but why don't we all think of the distribution? Distribution to the 2nd tier of Aami Park? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF33 Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) If I had to offer a criticism, I'd say that we should at least give Kilkenny a spot on the bench. He'd be an asset to bring on for the last 5-30 minutes in a range of match situations (including the last 2-3 games) and I think there's a 0% chance that Joyce doesn't call on Killer as that second or third sub if he'd been given a spot on the bench in the past two games. He hasn't bothered to use that third sub in the past fortnight, because it's questionable what value Budzinski and Carrusca would have in that situation. Which probably means it's unnecessary to have both on the bench. Edited October 28, 2017 by SF33 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 29 minutes ago, SF33 said: If I had to offer a criticism, I'd say that we should at least give Kilkenny a spot on the bench. He'd be an asset to bring on for the last 5-30 minutes in a range of match situations (including the last 2-3 games) and I think there's a 0% chance that Joyce doesn't call on Killer as that second or third sub if he'd been given a spot on the bench in the past two games. He hasn't bothered to use that third sub in the past fortnight, because it's questionable what value Budzinski and Carrusca would have in that situation. Which probably means it's unnecessary to have both on the bench. Our bench so far this season has looked as though its main purpose is to chase a game. Budzinski Cahill Brattan and Carusca for example. And because we haven't been behind yet the bench hasn't really been needed in that sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC22 Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 42 minutes ago, SF33 said: If I had to offer a criticism, I'd say that we should at least give Kilkenny a spot on the bench. He'd be an asset to bring on for the last 5-30 minutes in a range of match situations (including the last 2-3 games) and I think there's a 0% chance that Joyce doesn't call on Killer as that second or third sub if he'd been given a spot on the bench in the past two games. He hasn't bothered to use that third sub in the past fortnight, because it's questionable what value Budzinski and Carrusca would have in that situation. Which probably means it's unnecessary to have both on the bench. Agree with this I think. Understand the bench is there to chase the game if we need, but we probably don't need 100% attacking players there. Could do with Neil in situations like last night where it felt like we were just holding on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Jovan said: Our bench so far this season has looked as though its main purpose is to chase a game. Budzinski Cahill Brattan and Carusca for example. And because we haven't been behind yet the bench hasn't really been needed in that sense. Football is always about balance, currently, the balance has tilted quite a way towards defence. The bench structure reflects an acceptance that there will be games where we will likely be behind and need to chase the game. In a way we have a similar problem to that under JVS where the balance was tilted aggressively towards attack, it reduces our flexibility in our approach to games and adjustment during matches. Teams worked us out quickly under JVS who remained inflexible in his approach, they'll work us out eventually under Joyce as we are just as predictable (in a different way). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSK_47 Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Wowee. What an unbelievable start to the season. After our display in the FFA cup I really wasn't getting my hopes up, even after going three for three last week. Last night was a cracking effort. Didn't go into our shells when put under the pump. Held firm and came away with all three points in a game we would have probably drawn or even lost in previous seasons. Shout out to everyone who was defending JVS and blaming the squad over the past few seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, belaguttman said: Football is always about balance, currently, the balance has tilted quite a way towards defence. The bench structure reflects an acceptance that there will be games where we will likely be behind and need to chase the game. In a way we have a similar problem to that under JVS where the balance was tilted aggressively towards attack, it reduces our flexibility in our approach to games and adjustment during matches. Teams worked us out quickly under JVS who remained inflexible in his approach, they'll work us out eventually under Joyce as we are just as predictable (in a different way). Agree with this but what we have now is the flexibility to increase the attacking side to our game given the bench we have and with Bruno and Brandon yet to come back in. If Joyce recognises this, and I can see why he wouldn't if he has any nous about him, then we're in a pretty good position now with 4 wins under the belt. As you say, it's about flexibility but for now I'm just soaking it all up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiro Kompiro Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 The difference is a defensive-minded team won't LOSE as many. The A-League lacks quality in the front third-very few attackers can beat their man, very few strikers can punish teams with the few chances that are created. So a strong defensive teams is more likely to be successful. Ideally we would have the best of both worlds, but quality attacking players are not easy to find on the cheap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Sure, but increasing attacking potency by relying on the individual brilliance of your players in the absence of a clear attacking structure is very risky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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