jw1739 Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 13 minutes ago, Torn Asunder said: Personally I think the league has outgrown the whole marquee concept. It devalues the other players and can be a like a 'poisoned apple' when you get a 'Koren" type player who fails dismally. Also, as soon as a player has a stand-out season (like Bruno), then the only way to keep them is to make them marquee, which the FFA doesn't actually support ... i.e. Bruno is not good enough for the FFA marquee handout. I keep saying the answer is to exclude foreign players from the salary cap. Also allow for one senior and one youth Aussie player outside of the cap as well. I completely agree that the concept is out-dated. But if you go to 7 players outside the cap why not go the whole hog and remove the cap altogether? I also think that the numbers cap is out-dated as well. It is ridiculous that the club has to let a player such as Phil Petreski go simply because he's reached a certain age. The fact that some clubs don't have any marquee players is proof that they are quite capable of being financially responsible. To me everything FFA does discourages investment in the League and inhibits the ability of clubs to grow and develop their own identities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Whilst I'm generally in favour of the cap I'd be much keener to at least keep a minimum mandated payment structure for players so that they can be proper professionals. One problem with the cap and marquee system is that it potentially limits what can be played to local players, again contributing to an overseas exodus of local players. In itself that isn't a problem but it encourages them to leave a season or two before they are ready as they can't be accommodated under the cap as they improve, Stefan Mauk would be a good example of this. I do think that it's important to look at expanding the playing list size as it's a real disadvantage for our teams playing ACL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playmaker Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Quality marquees are important to generate interest and increase exposure to the non-aleague football supporter. They have their place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewConvert Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 36 minutes ago, Torn Asunder said: Personally I think the league has outgrown the whole marquee concept. It devalues the other players and can be a like a 'poisoned apple' when you get a 'Koren" type player who fails dismally. Also, as soon as a player has a stand-out season (like Bruno), then the only way to keep them is to make them marquee, which the FFA doesn't actually support ... i.e. Bruno is not good enough for the FFA marquee handout. I keep saying the answer is to exclude foreign players from the salary cap. Also allow for one senior and one youth Aussie player outside of the cap as well. 13 minutes ago, jw1739 said: I completely agree that the concept is out-dated. But if you go to 7 players outside the cap why not go the whole hog and remove the cap altogether? I also think that the numbers cap is out-dated as well. It is ridiculous that the club has to let a player such as Phil Petreski go simply because he's reached a certain age. The fact that some clubs don't have any marquee players is proof that they are quite capable of being financially responsible. To me everything FFA does discourages investment in the League and inhibits the ability of clubs to grow and develop their own identities. I think that the definition of 'marquee' has changed. It originally meant an exceptional player that would attract crowds and the FFA still works to this concept. In practice it has become two players that are paid outside the salary cap. The other change was that once we had the Australian and International marquees, now the rule does not care whether the marquees' nationality. There was also room up to $150k outside the cap for a youth marquee but I don't know whether it was ever used or remains in the rule book. What the FFA is now trying to do is to get the whole league to chip in for an International marquee because the kind of player that will bring in additional fans to the stadiums, to watch a game or to generate media interest are now beyond the financial capacity of any given club. This is the reality of a game where the commodities are available on a global market where the prize players command salaries beyond Australia's capacity to pay. This will never work as we are going to get players commanding a salary that will not be payable and their abilities are not going to lift the club to a proper level. I would rather that clubs bring in better quality coaches rather than players. We also saw how David Villa whose capabilities and record are well known was not able to do much for the club other than temporarily inflate the membership base and disappoint the fans. If a club wants to bring a renowned international marquee let them do so under their own steam. As for poisonous relationships between players because a highly paid player is not performing is one that will always happen in sport (as well as private enterprise). That is a man management issue. Examples abound in the EPL (Di Maria is one case at Man U and I imagine Rooney could now fit in that category), in the AFL Tom Scully at GWS or the Western Bulldog's $1M man - Boyd is it? So I don't think that it is an issue. Right now I am not in favour of removing the salary cap because I don't think that the game has found a steady financial footing and a repeat of the NSL would send the game the way of basketball. However I do concede that there is an issue and one which I don't think that I know how to resolve. As for removing the number of players cap - I do have one issue with this. During the season proper those players that don't get game time, how do we keep them fit and ready to slot into the seniors team? In earlier seasons they could play with the NYL team but now the youth teams are part of the state leagues and so don't play concurrently. Removing cap will also increase the salary bill. And lets not forget that player's salaries are now backed by the FFA so that they will always get paid. Again, I concede that there is an issue with regards to the ACL and I have no answer to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 Quality star players of course have their place ... the marquee concept is the wrong model to achieve this objective 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, NewConvert said: As for removing the number of players cap - I do have one issue with this. During the season proper those players that don't get game time, how do we keep them fit and ready to slot into the seniors team? In earlier seasons they could play with the NYL team but now the youth teams are part of the state leagues and so don't play concurrently. Removing cap will also increase the salary bill. And lets not forget that player's salaries are now backed by the FFA so that they will always get paid. Again, I concede that there is an issue with regards to the ACL and I have no answer to it. There are positives and negatives for every option, that is a negative but its a question of which set of positives and negatives will work best for the League rather than looking for an option with no negatives 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboozeadams Posted May 23, 2016 Report Share Posted May 23, 2016 http://www.tomnash.eu/gomez-button.html Sign him up!!!! Gomez + Toni up front. Sexy times 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfy1 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 (edited) Michael Lynch writing that Melbourne City should go after Cahill, and that the club could use the "stardust": Quote There is one club that plays hugely attractive football but has smaller crowds than most. It has a tremendous training set up – one that would appeal to a veteran like Cahill, who needs to ensure his health and wellbeing at this late stage of his career – and plays in arguably the best purpose-built rectangular stadium in the land. It also has, should it choose to splash the cash, deeper pockets than any other club in the competition. Cahill might well be the sort of big name attraction that could really benefit a club like Melbourne City, which has shown in the past with its capture of Spain superstar David Villa for a short lived guest period, that is not afraid to act boldly, think outside the square and make grand gestures. The Villa experiment didn't work. Yes, crowds were up in the home games he played, but he didn't stay long enough to see if he could generate sustained gate increases. He certainly got them plenty of media exposure and lifted their name into the public domain, however. Cahill, if he did come back home to turn out in City's light blue, would be a bigger domestic attraction than the former Barcelona and Atletico Madrid star and would draw not just hardcore football fans but the sort of "theatregoers" who turned out in great numbers when Alessandro Del Piero signed for Sydney. The caveat, of course, is that City would have to be interested and would need to be convinced that he could continue to do a job on the pitch as well as off it. But if there is one side that could do with a sprinkling of the Socceroos stardust to generate the sort of publicity that could see it rival the league's best-supported club, Melbourne Victory, it's City. Whether Gallop has spoken to Cahill or not would be immaterial if City decided to make a play for the Socceroo frontman – the odds are that they would probably get their man. And at least we wouldn't then have to listen to any more of this unseemly squabbling and could just enjoy the spectacle. http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/david-gallop-tim-cahill-stop-squabbling-and-sort-out-an-aleague-deal-20160605-gpbw7d.html Edited June 5, 2016 by Murfy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Where would we play him? We have Bruno already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 1 hour ago, belaguttman said: Where would we play him? We have Bruno already Have often thought about this and i think you would have to put tuna up front and cahill just behind him. I think they would gel quite well together actually and tuna would get a few more assists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Whether you think he'd be a good signing or not, imagine our starting strikers being Tim Cahill and Bruno Fornaroli. Wowee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 2 hours ago, GreenSeater said: Whether you think he'd be a good signing or not, imagine our starting strikers being Tim Cahill and Bruno Fornaroli. Wowee. But without Mooy it could end up massively unbalanced. Cahil and Fornaroli as marquee would be foolish. We need a marquee #10 plus hopefully Bruno. So for me signing Cahill makes little sense. He should go to the Wanderers. They've needed a player exactly like him since inception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 Cahill will never join the a-league because it will hurt his brand too much. End of story. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 49 minutes ago, Jovan said: But without Mooy it could end up massively unbalanced. Cahil and Fornaroli as marquee would be foolish. We need a marquee #10 plus hopefully Bruno. So for me signing Cahill makes little sense. He should go to the Wanderers. They've needed a player exactly like him since inception. I'd say "would", not "could." Anyway, IMO not only is Cahill a wanker, I don't see why City should be the club to prop up the league financially when all FFA does is make up anti-City rules. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 9 hours ago, Jovan said: But without Mooy it could end up massively unbalanced. Cahil and Fornaroli as marquee would be foolish. We need a marquee #10 plus hopefully Bruno. So for me signing Cahill makes little sense. He should go to the Wanderers. They've needed a player exactly like him since inception. Would they be thinking that caceras can do the roll if they bring cahill in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 11 hours ago, jw1739 said: I'd say "would", not "could." Anyway, IMO not only is Cahill a wanker, I don't see why City should be the club to prop up the league financially when all FFA does is make up anti-City rules. "New FFA regulations have just been announced stating that clubs with the word "City" in their name cannot sign any players who have scored more than 45 goals for Australia." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 12 minutes ago, GreenSeater said: "New FFA regulations have just been announced stating that clubs with the word "City" in their name cannot sign any players who have scored more than 45 goals for Australia." Don't give FFA any further stupid ideas - they have enough without us helping them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 34 minutes ago, GreenSeater said: "New FFA regulations have just been announced stating that clubs with the word "City" in their name cannot sign any players who have scored more than 45 goals for Australia." If you say Sydney really fast it sounds like City. FFA may yet have to recall that rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embee Posted June 5, 2016 Report Share Posted June 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, bt50 said: If you say Sydney really fast it sounds like City. FFA may yet have to recall that rule. Western City Wanderers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 With latest comment that we've been working for a while on our new Marquee it could mean we may have to wait until the Euros or Copas have completed to name the player. We can only hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 17 minutes ago, Jovan said: With latest comment that we've been working for a while on our new Marquee it could mean we may have to wait until the Euros or Copas have completed to name the player. We can only hope. Yes we can only hope! But maybe waiting for Messi to finish in Copa America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 32 minutes ago, HeartOfCity said: Yes we can only hope! But maybe waiting for Messi to finish in Copa America. Would be more entertaining seeing Luis Suarez taking a bite size chunk out of Broxham. Ppl would pay good money to see that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, HEARTinator said: Would be more entertaining seeing Luis Suarez taking a bite size chunk out of Broxham. Ppl would pay good money to see that Poor Suarez. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, belaguttman said: Poor Suarez. Here's some live vision of the poor bastard crying right now: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Is this wierd or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, HeartOfCity said: Is this wierd or what? Why is it wierd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 1 minute ago, n i k o said: Why is it wierd? Similar colours, big name marquee we are apparently signing. Might be a sign? Clutching at straws at who this big Marquee might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, HeartOfCity said: Similar colours, big name marquee we are apparently signing. Might be a sign? Clutching at straws at who this big Marquee might be. I only ask because the top is of Olimpique de Marseille whom he played for. Edited June 10, 2016 by n i k o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 2 hours ago, HeartOfCity said: Is this wierd or what? I don't want our marquee player to be older than 33 let alone be 38! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 Drogba is a freak even at his age now, still banging in goals for fun. Although I think we need an attacking mid to run the show. If we didn't have Bruno and weren't looking at Cahill then sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red or Dead Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 Galata are apparently trying to push Wesley Schneider out by slapping him with a EUR2m fine - I'd be happy if MCFC paid the fine and made him our marquee @hakz7 what do you think of him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakz7 Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Red or Dead said: Galata are apparently trying to push Wesley Schneider out by slapping him with a EUR2m fine - I'd be happy if MCFC paid the fine and made him our marquee @hakz7 what do you think of him? Galatasaray have become a joke really... The board have no clue what they're doing. He has a 8-9mill release clause so if he's leaving, he definitely wouldn't come to Australia. But to answer your question, the bloke is still all class. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
possiblygeorge Posted July 6, 2016 Report Share Posted July 6, 2016 On 3/31/2016 at 7:52 AM, possiblygeorge said: Can't find the transfer thread so i thought i'd put my two cents here. Just finished watching the Southend Vs Sheffield in League One in England Football and one player stood out for mine. This guy goes by the name of Jack Payne, plays for Southend, managed to bag MOTM, but jeez he looks like a solid player. The commentary team were banging on about him for a good three minutes post-match, he's really that good. He's a midfielder, short lad, but looks like a decent replacement for Aaron Mooy if he leaves. Scored the goal that sealed it for Southend and kept their League One playoff hopes alive. EDIT: just running through the highlights post-game they're showing, there's so much about him that is exactly like Aaron Mooy. If i can find highlights of this match i'll pass it through here. He's also out of contract at end of season and looking for a new Club by the looks of it. Nek minnut. Jack Payne gets a move from Southend to Huddersfield, as does Mooy. 2 incredible players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviant Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 So Cahill won't be announced until after his contract is up. That's on the 21st of this month (Tomorrow) correct? We know he is a 1 season guest... not marquee. Which brings me to these next questions. Considering the reports are saying that we had already secured him from last season... Who the fuck is this mysterious man? Does his contract end on the same date? Is that why we haven't/can't announce him? Eager as fuck to see who he might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 17 minutes ago, Deviant said: So Cahill won't be announced until after his contract is up. That's on the 21st of this month (Tomorrow) correct? We know he is a 1 season guest... not marquee. Which brings me to these next questions. Considering the reports are saying that we had already secured him from last season... Who the fuck is this mysterious man? Does his contract end on the same date? Is that why we haven't/can't announce him? Eager as fuck to see who he might be. I'm with you. We must have had signed along way out because I don't think the FFA would have brought in this new Cahill rule. Maybe we'll get a double announcement. Cahill and New Marquee. Say 21st around 10ish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSeater Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 MLS regular season ends October 23. A League season starts October 7. I personally think we will start the season without this marquee and then Steven Gerrard will sign when the MLS is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Melbourne Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Personally I think that there is no marque this season. Still counting our losses from Koren. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I personally don't know whats going to happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I personally think it's the perfect time to start making shit up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 1 hour ago, GreenSeater said: MLS regular season ends October 23. A League season starts October 7. I personally think we will start the season without this marquee and then Steven Gerrard will sign when the MLS is over. I think this too but not Gerrard. Itll be Lampard or Kaka i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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