TTIM: Things That Irk Me

[kingofhearts]

14 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said:

One of those Aussie hip hop types that isn't actually popular in the hip hop scene but gets played on triple j a lot

Ah i see. When i google his name i keep getting people calling him the "aussie biggie smalls" even though i've never heard of him.

[hedaik]

18 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said:

One of those Aussie hip hop types that isn't actually popular in the hip hop scene but gets played on triple j a lot

I have to say he is somewhat popular within the local scene, he has released some well known tracks, his first release homemade bombs is well regarded and his connection with funkoars and hilltop hoods have helped his status. He's gone further than most triple j aussie hip hop artists. Not really my cup of tea though.

Edited February 1, 2016 by hedaik

[Tesla]

35 minutes ago, hedaik said:

I have to say he is somewhat popular within the local scene, he has released some well known tracks, his first release homemade bombs is well regarded and his connection with funkoars and hilltop hoods have helped his status. He's gone further than most triple j aussie hip hop artists. Not really my cup of tea though.

Racist.

[GreenSeater]

Whether you see it as racist or not, how bloody thick do you have to be to rock up to a party in blackface? Obviously somebody is going to get offended and then in this day and age of nobody minding their own business on social media you have to expect it to come back and bite you. I personally don't have a feeling about it either way, but I see how some people would find it racist. Better to just not do it for your own sake tbh

[bt50]

Thats the thing tho, its not racist, although some people may find it offensive.

In which case, who gives a fuck. Some people are offended over a spider eating a fly, youd be fighting a battle you can never win.

[cadete]

Black Face is obv just a dumb move...

14 hours ago, thisphantomfortress said:

One of those Aussie hip hop types that isn't actually popular in the hip hop scene but gets played on triple j a lot

This is fucken funny cos it sums up so much of the Aussie Hip Hop content that Triple J has played for the past ten years...

As for this Briggs bloke his shaming reminds me of the whole "Islamophobic" tag PPL give to others these days... of course the blatant Sectarian Racists at their rallies deserve such a tag but I dont understand why its given to Anglo PPL when they bring up the basic point: That there are clearly parts of the Islamic community in Australia who seem disconnected and isolated from the rest of Australia. 

Why? Because Educated Muslim Spokespeople themselves constantly make the same point about parts of their own community feeling this way.

Edited February 2, 2016 by cadete

[Shahanga]

Hip hop offends me.

It should be banned.

[Shahanga]

3 hours ago, GreenSeater said:

Whether you see it as racist or not, how bloody thick do you have to be to rock up to a party in blackface? Obviously somebody is going to get offended and then in this day and age of nobody minding their own business on social media you have to expect it to come back and bite you. I personally don't have a feeling about it either way, but I see how some people would find it racist. Better to just not do it for your own sake tbh

I don't think anyone in Australia found this offensive (FFS the black & white minstrel show was on the ABC forever), but when word got out it offended yanks, it seems it was now offensive, even though there was no local context.

In the same way we referred to the Pakistani cricket team as "The Pakis" for 50 years (because we're lazy with words) but now that it's been promoted as being racist in Britain it's suddenly racist here and can't be used?

Badically it's trendy to call others racist. It's a lot harder to get off your arse and make a real difference in society, but hey, where's the twitter glory in that?

[jw1739]

People who actually make a real difference in society don't have the need to be on the 'social media.'

Edited February 2, 2016 by jw1739

[mus-28]

I'm getting Briggs on my bandwagon to ban the Wayans brothers from entering the country after their racist film White Chicks offended me.

[NewConvert]

37 minutes ago, Shahanga said:

I don't think anyone in Australia found this offensive (FFS the black & white minstrel show was on the ABC forever), but when word got out it offended yanks, it seems it was now offensive, even though there was no local context.

In the same way we referred to the Pakistani cricket team as "The Pakis" for 50 years (because we're lazy with words) but now that it's been promoted as being racist in Britain it's suddenly racist here and can't be used?

Badically it's trendy to call others racist. It's a lot harder to get off your arse and make a real difference in society, but hey, where's the twitter glory in that?

That is what happen when you have globalisation of communications and travel. I can't stand the way yoof have acquired the street language of NY through rap/hip hop and has little or no context in Australia. So the English language is becoming flat and regional dialects/variations are disappearing. I don't know why Paki is becoming offensive in UK but it will spread across the English speaking world in due course.

When I went to cape Town for the world cup in 2010 I was flabbergasted that they still have their own version of the Black and White minstrel show although theirs was a hell of a lot more colourful and entertaining than the British version. The indigenous population acquired a taste for it in the 19th century and keep it as an annual tradition.

However on the question of racism that is a more vexed question. Two years ago I was out to dinner with some Asian friends in the CBD when we were verbally abused by a dick who drove past.

[Shahanga]

Newie there is definitely racism out there but I would argue shouting "racism" at every single thing doesn't help to address it and in fact may make it worse (as these people can hide behind all the other stuff)

The main thing I've seen address racism effectively is when people actually get to know people from the groups they had an issue with.  That's not a quick easy fix though.

 

[jw1739]

1 hour ago, Shahanga said:

Newie there is definitely racism out there but I would argue shouting "racism" at every single thing doesn't help to address it and in fact may make it worse (as these people can hide behind all the other stuff)

The main thing I've seen address racism effectively is when people actually get to know people from the groups they had an issue with.  That's not a quick easy fix though.

What happens  is that once the chattering classes get hold of an "issue" (domestic violence, racism, women's rights, LGBT..., etc.) people just become inured to it; the noise drowns out the substance, and in my experience people tend to withdraw into a more entrenched position on the subject and then start throwing insults at one another rather than actually engage in discussion based on mutual respect.

[thisphantomfortress]

11 hours ago, jw1739 said:

What happens  is that once the chattering classes get hold of an "issue" (domestic violence, racism, women's rights, LGBT..., etc.) people just become inured to it; the noise drowns out the substance, and in my experience people tend to withdraw into a more entrenched position on the subject and then start throwing insults at one another rather than actually engage in discussion based on mutual respect.

To add to this many of them also need to understand that the word bigot doesn't mean "someone who disagrees with me"

[KSK_47]

TTIM: the word "crisps". It makes me feel so weird whenever i hear someone say it

[n i k o]

9 minutes ago, KSK_47 said:

TTIM: the word "crisps". It makes me feel so weird whenever i hear someone say it

 

[Jovan]

On 2/7/2016 at 9:28 PM, KSK_47 said:

TTIM: the word "crisps". It makes me feel so weird whenever i hear someone say it

As an extension I heard a bloke ask for a soda they other day. And he just wanted a can of sprite. Poor kid serving him couldn't understand what the fuck he was talking about. Main problem was the bloke was in his 40s and was a white anglo and knowing this demographic very well he was just trying to sound hip. 

You want a sprite, just ask for a sprite.

[jw1739]

On 2/7/2016 at 9:28 PM, KSK_47 said:

TTIM: the word "crisps". It makes me feel so weird whenever i hear someone say it

What's wrong with the word "crisps"? Can't ethnic English use a few words from their dialect, or must they be swamped by all the quasi-Americans here in Oz...?

[thisphantomfortress]

TTIM; the state people leave the work toilets in. We work in a brand new office building in the city, you'd expect better.

TTDIM; knowing the cleaning roster

[cadete]

2 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said:

TTIM; the state people leave the work toilets in. We work in a brand new office building in the city, you'd expect better.

TTDIM; knowing the cleaning roster

LOL - It took me four years to narrow it down but I know have finally worked out who are the two Stinky Shiters in my Office.

[thisphantomfortress]

Just now, cadete said:

LOL - It took me four years to narrow it down but I know have finally worked out who are the two Stinky Shiters in my Office.

I'm still tryng to work out who the asshole who blocks the far right cubicle with TP every day is.

[KSK_47]

10 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

What's wrong with the word "crisps"? Can't ethnic English use a few words from their dialect, or must they be swamped by all the quasi-Americans here in Oz...?

Its not the origin of the word i dislike, its the word itself. Specifically the "isps" part. Its such a clumsy sound.

[cadete]

1 minute ago, KSK_47 said:

Its not the origin of the word i dislike, its the word itself. Specifically the "isps" part. Its such a clumsy sound.

It conjures in my brain the shit tasting Potato Chip Flavours that they have over there... so for that reason alone I dont like it either.

[kingofhearts]

TTIM: Cardinal George pell not being extradited to face the royal commission on child abuse.

Just shows you catholics are untouchable in this country

[thisphantomfortress]

6 minutes ago, kingofhearts said:

TTIM: Cardinal George pell not being extradited to face the royal commission on child abuse.

Just shows you catholics are untouchable in this country

[Shahanga]

10 hours ago, Jovan said:

As an extension I heard a bloke ask for a soda they other day. And he just wanted a can of sprite. Poor kid serving him couldn't understand what the fuck he was talking about. Main problem was the bloke was in his 40s and was a white anglo and knowing this demographic very well he was just trying to sound hip. 

You want a sprite, just ask for a sprite.

you want a lemonade ask for a @#$%^& lemonade.  Good luck telling the difference on a blind test.

[bt50]

5 hours ago, kingofhearts said:

TTIM: Cardinal George pell not being extradited to face the royal commission on child abuse.

Just shows you catholics are untouchable in this country

Meh. He didnt do it and the media are after a witch hunt.

Cunts gonna die in the next couple years, fuck spending it getting interrogated over someone elses disgusting habits.

[Tesla]

31 minutes ago, bt50 said:

Meh. He didnt do it and the media are after a witch hunt.

Cunts gonna die in the next couple years, fuck spending it getting interrogated over someone elses disgusting habits.

Is it a coincidence that you're defending him and he is also from Ballarat?

Just shows you Balloratians are untouchable in this country  

[bt50]

12 minutes ago, Tesla said:

Is it a coincidence that you're defending him and he is also from Ballarat?

Just shows you Balloratians are untouchable in this country  

Haha i forgot he was from the Rat actually.

Not defending him, justcommentinng re the lynch mob and their crusades.

[cadete]

15 hours ago, kingofhearts said:

TTIM: Cardinal George pell not being extradited to face the royal commission on child abuse.

Just shows you catholics are untouchable in this country

I will take the bait mate... 

The bloke can barely move... I say this as someone who knows PPL well who have seen in him in the past six months. 

Also why does he need to be here in person? The guy is the second most important person in the Vatican and despite being bedridden is currently running its Finances.

Yet you think that is of vital of importance for him to get done here so they can just ask the same questions which has answered already five times at these commissions over the past ten years. The same fucken questions based on the loosest of hearsay of evidence which look stupider and stupider every time he gets asked them with the same fucken answers.

If the bloke has actually done anything he would be jail now like those in the church who did commit the crimes. All Pell has done (Alongside Archbishop Hart) since he became Archbishop of Melbourne and later a Cardinal in regards to Child Abuse is set up a Tribunal so victims could receive compensation for these terrible things that happened. Which is far better than a lot other Religious and State Organisations in this country who also committed such crimes in the past have done as they continue to have their head in the sand.

TTIM: Internet Warriors like the Kaiser here.

 

 

[hedaik]

8 minutes ago, cadete said:

 

Also why does he need to be here in person? The guy is the second most important person in the Vatican and despite being bedridden is currently running its Finances.

 

 

I would have thought doing everything he could to clear his and the church's name and not going to the grave with the reputation of being a dirty old paedo would be a pretty big one. He obviously prefers his current reputation than what he risks if he comes over. 

Edited February 9, 2016 by hedaik

[cadete]

21 minutes ago, hedaik said:

I would have thought doing everything he could to clear his and the church's name and not going to the grave with the reputation of being a dirty old paedo would be a pretty big one. He obviously prefers his current reputation than what he risks if he comes over. 

Well you seem to have a really good grip of the situation and facts mate... 

The questions they want him to answer are about his knowledge at the time about other Priests conduct and nothing to do with his own fucken conduct, only one idiot has ever tried to label the Cardinal himself a Paedo and they were instantly discredited by the media as a fraud within a couple of days. 

But I guess he's a Catholic Cardinal so that is enough for you to think his Dirty Old Paedo... isn't great how with Catholics you can jump to such a derogatory conclusion. Imagine doing anything similar with another religion... you would be called "Something-Phobic" within seconds.

Also he does not want to clear the churches fucken name, he has actually manned up 20 years ago and accepted the church prior to his time as Archbishop did terrible things hence he set up a process for PPL to receive compensation and free mental health assitance.

Seeing as you know nothing at all about what is going on I also suggest you go read up and tell me what new important pressing questions there are that Pell needs to come down and answer that are not those that he has already answered yet that did not lead to the same dead ends of the past ten years.

Edited February 9, 2016 by cadete

[hedaik]

20 minutes ago, cadete said:

Well you seem to have a really good grip of the situation and facts mate... 

The questions they want him to answer are about his knowledge at the time about other Priests conduct and nothing to do with his own fucken conduct, only one idiot has ever tried to label the Cardinal himself a Paedo and they were instantly discredited by the media as a fraud within a couple of days. 

But I guess he's a Catholic Cardinal so that is enough for you to think his Dirty Old Paedo... isn't great how with Catholics you can jump to such a derogatory conclusion. Imagine doing anything similar with another religion... you would be called "Something-Phobic" within seconds.

Also he does not want to clear the churches fucken name, he has actually manned up 20 years ago and accepted the church prior to his time as Archbishop did terrible things hence he set up a process for PPL to receive compensation and free mental health assitance.

 

Not my opinion, I'm fairly comfortable with the opinion he didn't conduct in any direct activity myself. My mums family all come from Ballarat and saw Pell on a frequent basis and all share the same thoughts....they have rumours and gossip about all sorts of things that went on in the church but I cant recall anything about him.  I'm talking about the general publics view and reputation of him, just spend a few minutes browsing Whirlpool and reddit to get a gauge of what the general publics thoughts are. 

 

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Seeing as you know nothing at all about what is going on I also suggest you go read up and tell me what new important pressing questions there are that Pell needs to come down and answer that are not those that he has already answered yet that did not lead to the same dead ends of the past ten years.

 

I would have thought repeating the same Q&A process would be worth avoiding the tarnish and labels that will be attributed to him by not turning up. 

Thats my only point.

Im not attacking you or the religion that he's affiliated to. 

Edited February 9, 2016 by hedaik

[cadete]

11 minutes ago, hedaik said:

Not my opinion, I'm fairly comfortable with the opinion he didn't conduct in any direct activity myself. My mums family all come from Ballarat and saw Pell on a frequent basis and all share the same thoughts. I'm talking about the general publics view and reputation of him, just spend a few minutes browsing Whirlpool and reddit to get a gauge of what the general publics thoughts are. 

 

 

I would have thought repeating the same Q&A process would be worth avoiding the tarnish and labels that will be attributed to him by not turning up. 

1. Who gives a fuck what PPL on Whirlpool and Reddit think... Pell is a Cardinal is the Second Highest Person in the Oldest Institution in the world I think he can deal with what a few what a few Ando's say on the Internet as they no other outlet to express their political views because nobody who matters gives a fuck about what they say.

2. He has answered in the past three years basicly the same exact questions at the Victorian Commission, and then the exact fucken same set of questions twice at the current Royal Commission... but now apparently its horrendous when the guy is bedridden and wants to answer these same via Television to this commison for a third time.

3. As I keep saying... certain PPL keep saying he needs to come and answer questions yet none of them are talking about what the actual questions are because they know this will only take away from their argument because their is nothing new to ask.

Edited February 9, 2016 by cadete

[NewConvert]

I'll bite as well.

The first point regarding video evidence from the Vatican vs evidence in person concerns legality. The only Australian royal commission to have sat outside of the jurisdiction was nuclear testing in oz commission set up by Bob Hawke and Thatcher had passed legislation to allow this. There are not too many examples (I could not find any) where video evidence was submitted from outside of the commission's legal jurisdiction. So I can see that may be an issue in the future unless the legislation permits it.

The commission has never declared that he would not be recalled back. Indeed, one of the reasons why he is wanted back is that the commission has uncovered evidence that is not wholly cogent with some of his earlier evidence. He would not be the only one that this has occurred as the Greek Orthodox Melbourne patriarch had to return and apologise to the commission for unknowingly giving false evidence. And in a way there is nothing unusual being called back to give further evidence in person or in writing. It is also not up to the public to determine what questions the counsels assisting the commission ask any witness - the public does not have the evidence in front of them much less the experience.

I don't know where Cadete got that he is the second most powerful man in the Vatican. After the pope there are three secretariats of which the secretariat of state is perhaps more powerful - although they are meant to be equal. I am not sure where the theological committees fall under but I would imagine that they would also be quite powerful.

Now as for Pell organising a compensation committee well there very different opinions about this because at the time the whole Australian Catholic church were about to set up a national compensation fund which was torpedoed by Pell. The major sticking point was that the national fund would come with a wholeheartedly apology and admission of guilt, whereas Pell's Melbourne solution did not and paid substantially less.

Pell, along with many other bishops need to be held to account for moving pedoes from parish to parish. This has been a world wide phenomenon but none the less the prince's of the church need to be held accountable. It is this point that needs careful consideration because the charge of aiding and abetting a crime before or after the fact could land quite a few of them in jail.

As for his health, if the pressure of his job is too much then he should resign or the pope should relieve him of his duties in order for Pell to recuperate or worse come worst, for Pell to live the remainder of his days without the additional pressure of being the Secretariat for the Economy.

[Tesla]

3 hours ago, cadete said:

1. Who gives a fuck what PPL on Whirlpool and Reddit think... Pell is a Cardinal is the Second Highest Person in the Oldest Institution in the world I think he can deal with what a few what a few Ando's say on the Internet as they no other outlet to express their political views because nobody who matters gives a fuck about what they say.

Hedaik's point was not that these are great political outlets, rather they are the two most popular forums in Australia are are comprised of a fairly wide cross section of Australian society, especially reddit there would be a mix of people of all ages/gender/occupations etc, and so they are a proxy as to what the general Australian public think about Pell and the Catholic church.

Maybe Pell doesn't give a fuck what the general public think, I probably wouldn't either if I was on my deathbed, but I'm sure the Catholic Church gives a fuck what the general public think.

[thisphantomfortress]

12 minutes ago, Tesla said:

 especially reddit

If everyone in Australia were Green's voting atheist neckbeards this would be true.

[Tesla]

1 minute ago, thisphantomfortress said:

If everyone in Australia were Green's voting atheist neckbeards this would be true.

Well you can balance that with whirlpool where everyone is an Investment Banker, corporate lawyer, IBM employee, or big4 accountant, so between the two you have a nice mix   

Edited February 10, 2016 by Tesla

[thisphantomfortress]

1 minute ago, Tesla said:

Well you can balance that with whirlpool where everyone is an Investment Banker, corporate lawyer, IBM employee, or big4 accountant, so between the two you have a nice mix  

TBH i hate everyone on reddit but still use it because i hate everyone on whirlpool slightly more

[cadete]

34 minutes ago, Tesla said:

Hedaik's point was not that these are great political outlets, rather they are the two most popular forums in Australia are are comprised of a fairly wide cross section of Australian society, especially reddit there would be a mix of people of all ages/gender/occupations etc, and so they are a proxy as to what the general Australian public think about Pell and the Catholic church.

Maybe Pell doesn't give a fuck what the general public think, I probably wouldn't either if I was on my deathbed, but I'm sure the Catholic Church gives a fuck what the general public think.

Look the bloke has answered the same set of questions three times in three years... and nothing of any substance has come from it at all.

Yet certain PPL like these Political Mover and Shakers on Reddit still persist to have views on Pell and the current Australian Catholic Church. Therefore I am pretty sure the Catholic Church has reached the logical conclusion that it does not matter what these PPL think seeing as they are already sticking to opinion despite their lack of knowledge on the Commission. (But then again I guess like Politics and Racing you would have closer links to the Catholic Church than myself.)

21 minutes ago, thisphantomfortress said:

If everyone in Australia were Green's voting atheist neckbeards this would be true.

Or misogynistic nerds who read The Game and discuss "Pick Up Strategies" for Juvie Bars instead of learning how to speak to a girl.

20 minutes ago, Tesla said:

Well you can balance that with whirlpool where everyone is an Investment Banker, so between the two you have a nice mix   

Yes, everyone on fucken whirlpool is an Investment Banker... I heard Malcolm Turnbull even has an account.

By the way seeing as I am so out of the loop about where a group in Society should be accessing their status in Australian Society is that Body Building Forum you use to go on also another hotbed of Australian Political Movers and Shakers alongside Reddit and Whirlpool?

Edited February 10, 2016 by cadete