The JvS thread

[silva10]

4 hours ago, Dylan said:

Id love to hear from @silva10 and @Falastur about when they think the trigger will be pulled, given they have had a few managers under CFG 

I can't believe he is still there Dylan

The fans need to bombard the twitter accounts of Melbourne City with the hashtag #JVSOUT

If he has a twitter account then bombard him as well. Take JVS OUT banners to the next home game. Get the fans to just sing JVS OUT throughout the game. Only direct action will make people act.

I tweeted Brian Marwood to get rid of JVS. His account is  @BrianMarwood_

I also tweeted the same to Melbourne City's twitter account

[Falastur]

6 hours ago, Dylan said:

Id love to hear from @silva10 and @Falastur about when they think the trigger will be pulled, given they have had a few managers under CFG 

Wall of text incoming, sorry in advance. When you get me talking though, I don't tend to stop easily. Obviously this is all my own personal intuition. I have been known to get things wrong, so no promises on accuracy.

 

I'd say it's hard to say with certainty for us mere mortals to know exactly what CFG are planning. For all the comments people make about them, Jason Kreis in NYC was only the third manager CFG have ever shown the door to, and from the stories in the press (if you get used to which stories give genuine insight and which are speculation) both the sackings of Hughes and Mancini made CFG sit down and reevaluate the way they do things.

First things first, CFG love their end-of-season reviews. If they can, they always prefer to evaluate a manager's performance once everything has wrapped up - typically at the end of the season all of the senior management will decamp, sometimes with the players, to Abu Dhabi to have a week-long comprehensive review. It was no surprise to me that Kreis lost his job exactly seven days after his final game. When they have their reviews, they seem to analyse two areas, and come to final decision based on the combination of both - 1) whether the manager met his targets i.e. where the team finished and 2) whether the team performed well. Rather than this being a "well, you can win the league but if you're not playing good football you're out the door" it rather tends to work the other way i.e. "well you didn't meet your targets, but we think you're moving in the right direction". That said, I think it's only logical to assume that it's conditional. You may save your job once round by grinding out wins playing awful football but if the next season you're showing no stylistic improvements then their patience will run out eventually. Let's not forget CFG have said that they want their teams to be as identifiable by their style of football as they are by their names and colours. They consider Barca-style attacking football to be part of their own identity.

Based largely on the massive fall-out from the Hughes sacking, CFG really, really don't like the idea that they might look like an Abramovich-type revolving-door ownership group. They desperately want the reputation of being owners who put an arm round a struggling manager and give him the time he needs - but only if they truly believe he will come good. They will also take into account any other factors in their end-of-season reviews. It's worth noting that in both the cases of Mancini and Kreis, they seem to have been sacked not because specifically of how they were doing - although notably they were both sacked at the end of a disappointing season - but because insider sources made it clear that both managers had lost the dressing room.

That said, they are still willing to act outside of the reviews. Obviously, Hughes was sacked half-way through a season, although that was only 18 months into their management, when some procedures hadn't been put into place. Mancini was also sacked after losing the 2013 FA Cup Final, with two league games to go. In Hughes' case he was sacked because his football was not what CFG wanted and after seven straight draws they started to realise that he wouldn't get the results either. They might've allowed him to stay so long as the league position was still an improvement, but by December it was clear that we were falling down the league table and showing little signs of a recovery. In Mancini's case it seems the reason he went early was basically to do with the problems in the dressing room, with Mancini having fallen out with the entire board and with several key players telling the board that they would hand in transfer requests if he didn't leave. If another manager was clearly not getting the results he should be getting, I don't think CFG would feel like they had to wait 'til the end of the season, if they didn't believe that things would turn around.

Now, this is where the speculation starts, and while I do follow Melbourne City news quite actively, I'm sure I don't hear half the stuff that some people here know, so you may come to different conclusions. My thoughts on the matter here are that JVS saved his job by reaching the play-off semis last season. I wasn't impressed with the way the team played and I'm sure CFG weren't either, but he was showing a clear upward trend from the wooden spoon performance of 2013-14, so he was given a second chance, where he would've been told to secure a better league performance (I'm thinking third, with a play-off final or strong challenge for one) AND with a condition that the team had to start becoming more fluent. After 6 games we're starting to fall off that, but more importantly the team while scoring a lot of goals isn't looking like a strong unit. I'm sure I don't need to elaborate on this point.

My gut feeling tells me therefore that they are concerned and won't wait another 21 games if they feel it won't improve. Maybe if we were snatching points again and were up around 3rd-4th then he might survive the season, but if we stay outside the play-off spots I think they will feel they have no option and will attempt to salvage the season rather than write it off. I'm not going to say that I think he has two games to save his job, or anything like that because I just don't know exactly how itchy they are getting right now, but I'd say if we're still in the bottom four by Christmas and the football hasn't somehow become much better, he won't be in his job. I would add a caveat that I believe just how many games he has left is partly dependent on whether he still holds the support of the players or not - I haven't heard any rumours around this, so I can't really say more.

Edited November 14, 2015 by Falastur

[wfc_10]

Know for a fact that Scott Munn is off to Manchester this week. Watch this space....

[silva10]

Just tweeted this to JVS

william straiton ‏@madzab62  16s17 seconds ago

@johnvantschip7 I watch Melbourne City and your destroying this club. Please do the decent thing and RESIGN!! #JVSOUT

[Falastur]

24 minutes ago, silva10 said:

Just tweeted this to JVS

william straiton ‏@madzab62  16s17 seconds ago

@johnvantschip7 I watch Melbourne City and your destroying this club. Please do the decent thing and RESIGN!! #JVSOUT

Ah, so you're william straiton? Interesting. I probably should've realised tbh.

[silva10]

3 minutes ago, Falastur said:

Ah, so you're william straiton? Interesting. I probably should've realised tbh.

Lol I wanted to use a user name with Vinny's name on it, but for some reason cocked it up when I registered on the NYCFC forum.

I prefer to use different names for each forum

 

Edited November 14, 2015 by silva10

[Falastur]

Just now, silva10 said:

Lol I wanted to use a user name with Vinny's name on it, but for some reason coked it up when I registered on the NYCFC forum.

I prefer to use different names for each forum

 

That's fair enough. You know you could've asked me to rename your account, right?

Anyway, slipping off Melbourne City here so I'll follow my previous (long) comment, where I said that I was unsure of what exactly the mood in the camp is like and so on by asking people here whether they have heard anything? I'm curious as to whether the players are still playing for the manager - there's only so much I can tell from watching games, and I've had to miss the last few as they've been played while I've been at work.

[silva10]

Just now, Falastur said:

That's fair enough. You know you could've asked me to rename your account, right?

Anyway, slipping off Melbourne City here so I'll follow my previous (long) comment, where I said that I was unsure of what exactly the mood in the camp is like and so on by asking people here whether they have heard anything? I'm curious as to whether the players are still playing for the manager - there's only so much I can tell from watching games, and I've had to miss the last few as they've been played while I've been at work.

I recorded Friday's game because I was working. I have yet to watch it, but feel I need to so as to find out how bad it was. The problem is that we have played two Friday night games at home and lost both! The manager has lost it tactically for me. Just like Kries in New York he seems devoid of ideas once we start struggling.

I am happy with my name on there thanks.

 

[NewConvert]

2 hours ago, silva10 said:

I recorded Friday's game because I was working. I have yet to watch it, but feel I need to so as to find out how bad it was. The problem is that we have played two Friday night games at home and lost both! The manager has lost it tactically for me. Just like Kries in New York he seems devoid of ideas once we start struggling.

I am happy with my name on there thanks.

 

Steel yourself before watching it.

[silva10]

2 minutes ago, NewConvert said:

Steel yourself before watching it.

lol I will

I hope one day I can get to a live game over there. It pisses me off that they gave acted with Kries, but have not with JVS. The only way these people listen is if you take direct action. The one thing that a boardroom hates is the shit turning on them.

 

[HEARTinator]

1 hour ago, silva10 said:

lol I will

I hope one day I can get to a live game over there. It pisses me off that they gave acted with Kries, but have not with JVS. The only way these people listen is if you take direct action. The one thing that a boardroom hates is the shit turning on them.

 

A stiff whiskey and only soft toys at hand coz you'll destroy the telly otherwise 

[HeartOfCity]

9 hours ago, M13 said:

I´ll give you my opinion.. That if it wasn´t for CFG having to shake up NYCFC first he would already be gone.
I gave him two games to save his job, One was an unconvincing win, the other an horrendous loss with the players hardly willing to put a shift in which tells me that they want him out.
If you have lost the players you are de facto gone..

NYC are in off season though so they have plenty of time to things right. We are a few games into a season that can be resurrected so if we are being put aside because NYC need to get there shit right that's fucked. 

The thing that gets me is that if Man City had a marquee that was no good and a manager that couldn't do what the title suggests then they would be gone by now ffs. 

I don't really understand why either, surely we are a cheap club to keep happy and firing, if something is not working fix it, marquee no good replace him, manager no good replace him. 

[belaguttman]

Email sent to Scott Munn saying that as a season ticket holder since our inaugural season that I won't be attending another game until we have a good coach. I also said that this included the Roar away game that I'd already organised air fares and accommodation for. I told him that it was unbearable and not the least entertaining.

[HeartOfCity]

8 minutes ago, belaguttman said:

Email sent to Scott Munn saying that as a season ticket holder since our inaugural season that I won't be attending another game until we have a good coach. I also said that this included the Roar away game that I'd already organised air fares and accommodation for. I told him that it was unbearable and not the least entertaining.

I like the fact that you sent an email man, but wouldn't it fall on deaf ears like it has the last 6 years. Would be cool if he replied and gave some insight into what's happening though. Keep us posted.

[KSK_47]

8 hours ago, silva10 said:

The fans need to bombard the twitter accounts of Melbourne City with the hashtag #JVSOUT

Good call. I am going to set up  twitter account and get tweeting. I suggest everyone does the same

[HEARTinator]

12 minutes ago, HeartOfCity said:

I like the fact that you sent an email man, but wouldn't it fall on deaf ears like it has the last 6 years. Would be cool if he replied and gave some insight into what's happening though. Keep us posted.

As a corporate man skilled in the black art of spin, he will most likely:

i) not respond at all

ii) respond with drivel and "thanks for your feedback and ...."

 

I suggest an outpouring of criticism on social media using twitter, facebook, etc. Any forum will do. I posted on the Melbourne City facebook page. I was heartened to see a lot of criticism of our performance with "JVS out" featuring a lot.

 

https://www.facebook.com/melbournecityfc/

 

[Falastur]

47 minutes ago, HeartOfCity said:

The thing that gets me is that if Man City had a marquee that was no good and a manager that couldn't do what the title suggests then they would be gone by now ffs.

In fairness, at the end of last season an awful lot of people were saying that Pellegrini had had his one good year and that his second season had shown him up to be ineffectual and weak. The vast majority of the press were telling everyone how his sacking was already decided and it was just a matter of when, not if. Instead they decided they wanted to give him more time, and ended up extending his deal even (though largely because of the damage caused to his authority by the press rumours). The suspicion amongst the more reliable sources is that Mancini wouldn't have been fired if his antagonistic personality hadn't rubbed so many people up the wrong way. I'm not convinced that your assertion is necessarily correct.

[n i k o]

Things definitely aren't perfect in the dressing room just by putting all the peices together. I think we might have JVS for some time more because unless they have a manager ready to go I don't see them changing him yet. The only exception to that is just how much he has lost the change room. The run of results we've had and I'd say a loss up in Brisbane will really put a nail in the coffin for JVS. 

[HeartOfCity]

4 minutes ago, Falastur said:

In fairness, at the end of last season an awful lot of people were saying that Pellegrini had had his one good year and that his second season had shown him up to be ineffectual and weak. The vast majority of the press were telling everyone how his sacking was already decided and it was just a matter of when, not if. Instead they decided they wanted to give him more time, and ended up extending his deal even (though largely because of the damage caused to his authority by the press rumours). The suspicion amongst the more reliable sources is that Mancini wouldn't have been fired if his antagonistic personality hadn't rubbed so many people up the wrong way. I'm not convinced that your assertion is necessarily correct.

Fair call but they know they can win with pelligrini and have won, how many people think JVS can win any trophy? Had great opportunity with the FFA cup but chose to play the best 11 we had at the time for the home and away games, surely rest them for the FFA cup game to guarantee at least a final. 

[Pete Heartspur]

Guus is in the country at the moment!

[jw1739]

Starting now we have a very tough run until the end of the year. Only two matches at home, one being a derby, and four away matches against Brisbane (twice), Central Coast and Newcastle. I don't see more than six points in there, and therefore by the end of the year we will be firmly entrenched in the bottom four. If that is the case, I would expect CFG action at that point. I doubt that we will see it before then.

[Torn Asunder]

I know the club had some really high expectations of  building its membership off their favourably drawn prime time Friday night games. Low numbers and pathetic performances / losses, resulting in a toxic atmosphere, including rightfully angry and abusive supporters, has had the opposite effect, and I can only imagine that the negative impact right across the whole group. It doesn't look like turning around, their numbers are not going to be met, and loyal supporters are starting to walk away. Rebuilding trust in fans and then getting the commitment from non members to join is done for this season UNLESS JVS is sacked and we bring in a coach who will inspire interest and get some consistency in fighting competitive performances. Guest players will only be of longer term benefit if JVS is gone.

Edited November 14, 2015 by Torn Asunder

[Red or Dead]

They'll probably wait for the next loss featuring Mooy.

My Prediction: If Mooy starts this Friday and we lose he won't be coaching our next home game. If Mooy does not start (but comes on as sub) and we lose, they'll wait for the result of our next home game.

[jw1739]

11 hours ago, silva10 said:

I can't believe he is still there Dylan

The fans need to bombard the twitter accounts of Melbourne City with the hashtag #JVSOUT

If he has a twitter account then bombard him as well. Take JVS OUT banners to the next home game. Get the fans to just sing JVS OUT throughout the game. Only direct action will make people act.

I tweeted Brian Marwood to get rid of JVS. His account is  @BrianMarwood_

I also tweeted the same to Melbourne City's twitter account

I suspect that messages on the "social media" won't actually make any difference, although we'll probably all feel better for having sent them. There are enough adverse comments on there already that if the club was taking any notice of them it would either act or at least respond, but I cannot see either. I thought "City Voice" was a good initiative and signed up, but as far as I can see although there's an assurance that they "read every post" there's not a single response from the club that I can see nor even a mechanism to indicate that the OP has even been read.

There's no point to these club initiatives if there are no responses.

TA is right. There was a very toxic atmosphere on Friday night, even before kick-off, and probably as bad as in the last throes of the JA era. In fact probably worse, because so much has has been done off the field that should have produced tangible results. But Melbourne City's core business of men's football is not delivering.

I read and understand everything that Falustur has written about the way CFG prefers to act. But this is not a ManC or NYCFC situation, and not a Hughes, Mancini, or Kreis situation. We are into our sixth season of mediocrity, and indeed our third as part of the City Football Group - it will soon be three years since the takeover. IMO failing to act now would be the wrong decision, even if whatever action is taken doesn't make an immediate material difference.

[Murfy1]

John van’t Schip under pressure after Melbourne City’s heavy A-League loss to Wanderers

 

November 15, 2015

Matt Windley

 

JOHN van’t Schip says he is confident he is the man to lead Melbourne City to the promised land, despite boasting the lowest win percentage of any man to have coached 100 A-League games.

On Friday night he will come up against John Aloisi — the only coach in the club’s history who has found out you do not get unlimited time to prove your worth — when City travels to Brisbane.

Social media and fan forums contained scathing criticism of the team in the aftermath of City’s inept 3-0 loss at home to Western Sydney last Friday night.

But it is the coach who is most under fire.

The Dutchman has coached 108 A-League games for 35 wins, 34 draws and 39 losses, a record that mirrors the current travails of his team - consistently inconsistent.

His winning percentage of 32.4 per cent is lower than the nine other men who have coached 100 or more A-League games.

On any measure City was comprehensively outplayed by the Wanderers and van’t Schip manfully shouldered the blame for that.

But the former Ajax legend is unwavering in his belief that he remains the right man for the job.

“Yeah, I’m confident,” van’t Schip said.

And it’s important that we’re all confident, so not only me — because I can’t do it on my own — but the players and the supporting staff.

“It’s something that we have to go back to the drawing board, back to the pitch and work hard.

“There’s an important game and a difficult game coming up, Brisbane away, so we have all kinds of reasons to work hard and try to turn it around.”

City will have to make yet another defensive reshuffle this week with central defenders Patrick Kisnorbo and Aaron Hughes both likely to be missing with calf injuries.

Captain Kisnorbo picked up his injury against Adelaide in round five and missed Friday night’s game, while 36-year-old Hughes, in what was his club debut, was substituted at half-time after feeling soreness.

But in somewhat better news for the club, Socceroo Ivan Franjic made his tentative steps towards a City debut on Saturday when he played 57 minutes in the club’s 1-1 National Youth League draw with Perth Glory at CB Smith Reserve in Fawkner.

 

THE JVS FILES

John van’t Schip at Melbourne Heart/City

Games: 108

Wins: 35

Draws: 34

Losses: 39

Win percentage of 32.4 per cent is lowest of 10 A-League coaches with more than 100 games experience

 

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/a-league/john-vant-schip-under-pressure-after-melbourne-citys-heavy-aleague-loss-to-wanderers/news-story/e346327ee488eb3f6f4d90d7bb0b3805

[belaguttman]

4 hours ago, Falastur said:

In fairness, at the end of last season an awful lot of people were saying that Pellegrini had had his one good year and that his second season had shown him up to be ineffectual and weak. The vast majority of the press were telling everyone how his sacking was already decided and it was just a matter of when, not if. Instead they decided they wanted to give him more time, and ended up extending his deal even (though largely because of the damage caused to his authority by the press rumours). The suspicion amongst the more reliable sources is that Mancini wouldn't have been fired if his antagonistic personality hadn't rubbed so many people up the wrong way. I'm not convinced that your assertion is necessarily correct.

Pelligrini has a history of success at Malaga and took a small club to a UCL semi final. He has also coached at the 'poisoned chalice' Real Madrid and Villarreal with success. JVS has shown consistent failure in his senior team coaching although he has had some undoubted success with development of individual players.

[Dylan]

So this is what we know so far after reading through this thread,

- JVS was saved last season (apparently by the skin of his teeth) by winning that final, but the CFG were far from happy with the style of play and also the inconsistency of performance.

- JVS was publicly criticized by Scott Munn at the last FRG meeting about the loss of the FFA cup semi final. Saying that they blamed JVS and his selections

- There seems to be a rift between Kisnorbo and other senior players with JVS by their reactions to instruction during games. I reckon Koren is none too happy either. 

- Last friday the toxic atmosphere seemed on another level and that JVS' post match presser he took responsibility and blamed himself, which he hasnt done before to my    knowledge. (side note to that I loved Sorenson as captain. Just before the game he was barking instructions and got everyone into a huddle (Kisnorbo never does this)

- Now we have the two rumours that Munn is going to Manchester and also Jimmy's source has said the club has put the feelers out to Hiddink. 

 

Anyway my opinion of all that the decision has already been made and they wont just sack him until they find the replacement they want. I would hope that by talking to Hiddink it shows the calibre of manager they want to bring in. Its one space where they can spend all they want and I hope they do.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2015 by Dylan

[belaguttman]

3 hours ago, jw1739 said:

Starting now we have a very tough run until the end of the year. Only two matches at home, one being a derby, and four away matches against Brisbane (twice), Central Coast and Newcastle. I don't see more than six points in there, and therefore by the end of the year we will be firmly entrenched in the bottom four. If that is the case, I would expect CFG action at that point. I doubt that we will see it before then.

That would leave us fighting for 6th spot in the second half of the season, no signs of progression at all. 

Edited November 15, 2015 by belaguttman

[MHFC-FAN]

He's consistent at least I'll give him that....

 

2015-16

Melbourne City

6

2

1

3

33.33%

16.67%

50%

12

13

[Murfy1]

1 hour ago, jw1739 said:

I suspect that messages on the "social media" won't actually make any difference, although we'll probably all feel better for having sent them. There are enough adverse comments on there already that if the club was taking any notice of them it would either act or at least respond, but I cannot see either.

I disagree. Club administrators often point to social media to discuss the positives and growth the club has made, such as these comments by Scott Munn:  

 

"Munn says that he and the parent company are happy with the progress Melbourne is making after a season under City's control.

"Our metrics on social media are incredible. We grew 150 to 160 per cent  last year. Twitter, Facebook and Instagram are really growing exponentially. Season tickets were up over 11,000 – we grew 70 per cent. 

"The goal for us is 14,000. We are very bullish we will get there. We improved significantly on the field last year, up from last to fourth, and lost to the ultimate winners who were the best team all year.

"This year we have to make another step forward."

 

[July 21, 2015]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/soccer-we-may-be-owned-by-city-but-we-are-not-a-mini-manchester-melbourne-boss-declares-20150720-gig79p.html

 

So likewise I'd say the club would be very sensitive to wave after wave of negative social media content, like with the floods of negative comments on Facebook and Twitter (which we also saw just before Melbourne Heart sacked Aloisi) after the recent losses. Also, it makes it even harder for the club to attract new supporters and members with so much negativity on the club's official social media sites, and especially as the club is 6,000 memberships below their stated target of 14,000 memberships I'm sure they are pretty unhappy with the social media reactions for that reason as well.

I'm not saying negative social media content would force CFG's hand, but I do believe it turns up the temperature and could be a significant factor in CFG's decision-making.

 

 

1 hour ago, jw1739 said:

I read and understand everything that Falustur has written about the way CFG prefers to act. But this is not a ManC or NYCFC situation, and not a Hughes, Mancini, or Kreis situation. We are into our sixth season of mediocrity, and indeed our third as part of the City Football Group - it will soon be three years since the takeover.

 

I think this is a massively important issue that hasn't been acknowledged enough.

 

- There was disappointment after Melbourne Heart's First Season, and expectations ratcheted up for the next season.

- Melbourne Heart's Second Season brought our first finals appearance, but the season was definitely underwhelming as the team never got close to a trophy.

- Melbourne Heart's Third Season was a massive disappointment, with the team finishing equal last on points. Expectations massively ratcheted up for the next season.

- The club bought a real international marquee for the first time in since the club's First Season, but the Fourth Season was a catastrophe. 4 points out of a possible 36 after 12 rounds. The coach sacked. And the team finished dead last.

- So expectations increased every season, since underwhelming season followed underwhelming season. CFG took over, and expectations reached fever pitch. The club signed 3 marquees for the Fifth Season--Villa, Koren, Kennedy--but they all flopped. The club finished an ambiguous and rather middling 5th, with a semi-final exit. 

 

So here we are, in the club's Sixth Season. The club only signed 1 real marquee out of 3 salary-cap exempt spots, Aaron Mooy, and he of course was signed by Melbourne Heart before CFG took over, and it was a no brainer for CFG to re-sign him as a marquee (the only way the club could keep him). As far as I can see CFG have not brought one big player to the club, they haven't brought one real marquee to this club, and the contrast with NYCFC couldn't be any starker. And above all the team is faltering, out of a finals position in 7th with 3 losses, 1 draw and 2 wins--only 7 points out of a possible 18--and the season is a quarter finished after the next round.

 Expectations have accumulated after 6 years, and they couldn't be higher at the moment. Most supporters have been around for more this season, and keenly feel that the club has failed to keep up with mounting expectations. We're currently below where we finished last season, despite the mounting expectations. The other team in Melbourne have won all 3 trophies in Australian football this year, and we're no where near them ATM (and we don't even match them in derbies anymore, after being 4 wins, 4 draws and 4 losses with Victory at the end of Melbourne Heart's final season [the Fourth Season]).

 

So not only is it an underwhelming season for the few new supporters, but this season is presently a very underwhelming season for the majority of supporters who have loyally followed the club for multiple reasons. This season is reinforcing the powerfully negative narrative that surrounds this club: Melbourne's smaller club, losing culture, perennial underachievers. The club is liable to lose the few supporters it has. And new supporters won't sign up.

 

So I strongly believe club management vastly underestimated the urgency regarding which they had to improve this club. CFG were never, ever going to get a "honeymoon" period with the Melbourne market. So unless club management can change things soon and get the club on the path to real success, I'm afraid long-term damage will be done because of the mounting expectations surrounding the club, and the negative narrative that this club has failed to break loose from. This season the club must be made a lot more successful, to ensure that the club is in a stable and successful position in 5 years time and beyond. A lot more than the present season is at stake.

Edited November 15, 2015 by Murfy1

[jw1739]

Murf, the final para above is, IMO, the ultimate and definitive post. It encapsulates the message that needs to be conveyed to the club at every level and at every opportunity.

Thank you.

[M13]

CFG will not sack a manager before they have a replacement lined up though..

[AntiScum]

7 hours ago, Murfy1 said:

John van’t Schip under pressure after Melbourne City’s heavy A-League loss to Wanderers

 

 

 

November 15, 2015

 

Matt Windley

 

 

 

JOHN van’t Schip says he is confident he is the man to lead Melbourne City to the promised land, despite boasting the lowest win percentage of any man to have coached 100 A-League games.

 

On Friday night he will come up against John Aloisi — the only coach in the club’s history who has found out you do not get unlimited time to prove your worth — when City travels to Brisbane.

 

Social media and fan forums contained scathing criticism of the team in the aftermath of City’s inept 3-0 loss at home to Western Sydney last Friday night.

 

But it is the coach who is most under fire.

 

The Dutchman has coached 108 A-League games for 35 wins, 34 draws and 39 losses, a record that mirrors the current travails of his team - consistently inconsistent.

 

His winning percentage of 32.4 per cent is lower than the nine other men who have coached 100 or more A-League games.

 

On any measure City was comprehensively outplayed by the Wanderers and van’t Schip manfully shouldered the blame for that.

 

But the former Ajax legend is unwavering in his belief that he remains the right man for the job.

 

“Yeah, I’m confident,” van’t Schip said.

 

And it’s important that we’re all confident, so not only me — because I can’t do it on my own — but the players and the supporting staff.

 

“It’s something that we have to go back to the drawing board, back to the pitch and work hard.

 

“There’s an important game and a difficult game coming up, Brisbane away, so we have all kinds of reasons to work hard and try to turn it around.”

 

City will have to make yet another defensive reshuffle this week with central defenders Patrick Kisnorbo and Aaron Hughes both likely to be missing with calf injuries.

 

Captain Kisnorbo picked up his injury against Adelaide in round five and missed Friday night’s game, while 36-year-old Hughes, in what was his club debut, was substituted at half-time after feeling soreness.

 

But in somewhat better news for the club, Socceroo Ivan Franjic made his tentative steps towards a City debut on Saturday when he played 57 minutes in the club’s 1-1 National Youth League draw with Perth Glory at CB Smith Reserve in Fawkner.

 

 

THE JVS FILES

 

John van’t Schip at Melbourne Heart/City

 

Games: 108

 

Wins: 35

 

Draws: 34

 

Losses: 39

 

Win percentage of 32.4 per cent is lowest of 10 A-League coaches with more than 100 games experience

 

 

 

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/a-league/john-vant-schip-under-pressure-after-melbourne-citys-heavy-aleague-loss-to-wanderers/news-story/e346327ee488eb3f6f4d90d7bb0b3805

About time the media put some heat on this ultimate flog

[cadete]

Death, Taxes, and The Unsackable Dutchman.

[Chez]

With all the rightful criticism around this place it's amazing to think we're only one win from third and two wins off top spot. CFG could fix this mess whenever they want but they choose to do nothing. It baffles me. 

[playmaker]

 

 

CFG has a lot of love for JVS by the looks of things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[belaguttman]

Chez, unfortunately I'm sure that this is the argument that JVS is making to justify keeping his job! Hopefully CFG are l;looking at this in a more sophisticated way and will already be preparing the leather suppository for him.

Just now, playmaker said:

 

 

CFG has a lot of love for JVS by the looks of things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great, let's swap him for Pellegrini then

[jw1739]

21 minutes ago, Chez said:

With all the rightful criticism around this place it's amazing to think we're only one win from third and two wins off top spot. CFG could fix this mess whenever they want but they choose to do nothing. It baffles me. 

We're also only five points from being bottom.

[Deeming]

46 minutes ago, Chez said:

With all the rightful criticism around this place it's amazing to think we're only one win from third and two wins off top spot. CFG could fix this mess whenever they want but they choose to do nothing. It baffles me. 

 

24 minutes ago, jw1739 said:

We're also only five points from being bottom.

And the only teams we've beaten are teams below us

[belaguttman]

10 minutes ago, Deeming said:

 

And the only teams we've beaten are teams below us

and we were lucky to beat CCM. We're unlikely to beat Glory on our present home form