downbylaw Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) Don't forget at this point in time our squad is vastly different in age to the other mob. The nucleus is in place player wise, I can't see how a player with a profile wouldn't benefit the club more than another manager with a profile. People don't go to matches to watch a manager. Edited February 21, 2012 by downbylaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Thousands of kits sold, heaps of free publicity and people thru the gate. Not such a bad thing imo. we certainly couldn't compete for a coach like that with money but we do have lifestyle, club philosophy etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Having a star player is fine, but like the Visitards you need to win or else your back down to 14k supporters from 20k odd. We need Breshiano!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Don't forget at this point in time our squad is vastly different in age to the other mob. The nucleus is in place player wise, I can't see how a player with a profile wouldn't benefit the club more than another manager with a profile. People don't go to matches to watch a manager. we don't need a coach with a profile, we need a coach with experience, both tactically and in man management. JVS is very good with the former, less good with the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Melbourne Heart field interest in coaching role, but have A-League finals firmly in sights By Paddy Higgs Melbourne Heart are receiving "daily" enquiries into their soon-to-be-vacant coaching post, but will put their energies into clinching an A-League finals spot before beginning the search for John van 't Schip's replacement. Former Netherlands international van 't Schip announced on February 1 he would be returning to Holland when Heart's 2011-12 season concludes, with his side holding on to a finals spot with five matches remaining. Sydney FC announced two days later coach Vitezslav Lavicka would be abdicating his post in similar circumstances, with speculation linking the likes of Roy Keane, Dwight Yorke and Gianfranco Zola to the Sky Blues' post. In contrast, few names have been linked with the Heart job. With his club's finals spot still in the balance, however, football operations manager John Didulica is content to save the speculation for later. "Our one focus is through to the end of the season. We don't want any distractions from our final five games we've got to play," he told Goal.com. "That'll be our number one focus, on getting to the end of the season, hopefully making the finals. If that means we've got to push back the interview process, then we'll do that, because (finals are) first and foremost in our minds right now." Didulica said Heart's first task in their search will be to draft a profile of the new coach the club was after. He has already fielded numerous enquiries over the position, and said the club had no preference of whether their man was local or foreign. "I've received a number of CVs from Australia, from overseas. I think it demonstrates that the A-League certainly is a desirable place to come and work," he said. "We've had some good quality guys from high-quality pedigree. We want somebody who can continue and build what we've already put in place "I think that is a testament to the good work that John has done, and his assistants and the board as well. "We've got quite a distinctive way we like to play, we've got a youthful playing roster, we've got a focus on community engagement. We need someone who can satisfy all those sorts of areas." http://www.goal.com/en/news/808/australia/2012/02/23/2923317/melbourne-heart-field-interest-in-coaching-role-but-have- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandev Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Very wise and noble. The club's message has been consistent since day 1. Sticking to the goal will be rewarding. Now common and win some more games!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Rijkard would be amazing, but it aint gonna happen. Sure it was a major fall from grace to where he is now, but he would most likely be on big amounts of money. He wont get that from us so he will prob goto some middle eastern club who will pay him big money. Franz straka or pappas is my choice, really don't want millicic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Oh and i forgot to say dont want blieberg either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cammo Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Anyone but Steve Kean... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Interesting article on Aloisi's intentions/ambitions http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/soccer/john-aloisi-puts-hand-up-for-melbourne-heart/story-e6frfg8x-1226279879877 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Interesting article on Aloisi's intentions/ambitions http://www.heraldsun...x-1226279879877 IMO a little bit too early for Aloisi. Needs a season as assistant first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandev Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 IMO a little bit too early for Aloisi. Needs a season as assistant first. +1 or two. gotta learn to crawl before you walk buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I doubt that the Board will seriously consider either Ante Milicic or John Aloisi if they have any other suitable applicant. I'd suggest that an appointment of either AM or JA would inevitably lead to tensions, and I doubt that anyone wants that at such a stage in our formative years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Aloisi no, but Milicic is one of the front runners. He's even taken on more workload on match day as well as doing more media work. JvS publicly praised him for a reason. Also fwiw, I read an article last week saying Milicic had been lined up for West Sydney, should GCU fold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Aloisi no, but Milicic is one of the front runners. He's even taken on more workload on match day as well as doing more media work. JvS publicly praised him for a reason. Also fwiw, I read an article last week saying Milicic had been lined up for West Sydney, should GCU fold. JVS could have praised milicic because the club wanted him to so that the fans are more accepting of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 All these people giving Milicic shit...what are they basing it on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malloy Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 All these people giving Milicic shit...what are they basing it on? The more appropriate question is what has Milicic done to deserve becoming our manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Even if such a thing was possible, why would we want Rijkard? Its overkill and a waste of money. The top managers by A League standards are Graham and Ange LOL. Both complete disasters when in charge of our national teams. Rijkard is about 23534563464564566456 levels above the best managers in this league. It would be nice for sure, but given the club is struggling financially already, it would be stupid. Obviously Scott Munn has been following the forum, and saw that the legendary Tesla recommended Milicic, so he has gone ahead and decided it will be Milicic and is now preparing for that, having JVS talk him up, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 the board surely couldn't hire aloisi. If mehmet durakovic isn't a perfect example of why hiring an unproven youth team coach as the senior coach is the wrong option then i don't know what is. my preference at this stage would be to hire an experienced coach, who knows how to get the best out of the younger players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Maybe they should shortlist Aad de, again...!? Yes, he is 64, bit so what! Seasoned pro, has a huge footballing network, experience in the Asian market, relatively successful and a fantastic eye for talent and youth development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Cain Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 The more appropriate question is what has Milicic done to deserve becoming our manager? People outside of the club can't know. But he does now have some good experience, knows the club and team as well as anyone and has repeatedly been praised by a number of respected football people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Rather than focus on names (we tend to do the same thing when discussing potential Heart players) we should list out the preferred attributes and qualities we want for the new coach of Melbourne Heart. Set out a table of 'musts' and 'wants.' After we've done that then we can see how the possible candidates stack up against the criteria. Fairly standard management practice to do this. Many's the time people are hired and then found to be unsatisfactory because this process was not applied. Another factor to be taken into consideration is that people close to the job in question, or to some of the candidates, are usually unable to make an unbiased assessment of the candidates. This is why many companies now use recruitment agencies to do the sifting to come up with the final shortlist. If Heart wishes to hire me for my experience in this field I am available... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD. Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Interesting that Aloisi has put his hand up, although i support some of the tactics he says he would employ, I still don't think his ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downbylaw Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Be interesting to hear what Ante's prefered playing style would be. Having been under JVS for two years I would be slightly concerned if it's an almost like for like swap, I'm not sold on it myself. I want Ange Posti as honestly the only team in the HAl that's a joy to watch is Brisbane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baresi Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Maybe they should shortlist Aad de, again...!? Yes, he is 64, bit so what! Seasoned pro, has a huge footballing network, experience in the Asian market, relatively successful and a fantastic eye for talent and youth development. Aad de Mos* Anyway, agreed! Great pedigree, good connections, decent record. Would definitely like having him here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Clearly what I ment... Apparently he, JVS and Postacoglou were the final three candidates when they first selected a manager. I wonder what figure he would demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Aad de Mos would be ideal. What's the chap up to these days? Brb, whilst I go on a wikipedia crusade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 I assume he would be at least on JVS' wage, which would be to expensive for my liking. Unless he has dreams of retiring in Australia and would come manage us for a few seasons for cheap before doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForestHeart Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 I'd prefer to see a manager with a bit of international experience rather than go for the cheap local alternative .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontra.11 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 If we can get a truly impressive option from overseas then ok... But if not then give Ante a go rather than get someone like a Magilton calibre from overseas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Said on tv that if SA lose against the Aussies that Franky R could get the ass, fate...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Let's sign Frank, he'll be out of a job now:) ... and Bresciano too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Let's sign Frank, he'll be out of a job now:) ... and Bresciano too. what a dream start to 2012-13 that would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LR9 Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 * > Rijkaard. Couldn't even control a 2nd sting Aussie side headlined by Brosque/Kewell, after squandering close to a million dollars on this trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchPride Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 * > Rijkaard. Couldn't even control a 2nd sting Aussie side headlined by Brosque/Kewell, after squandering close to a million dollars on this trip. Hardly second string... Very strong defense...,, good midfield & what's wrong with Brosque? The lad scores goals often for Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 I think that you have to distinguish between the coach's tactics and the team mentality. KSA played well for 1 1/2 halfs but then just crumbled like few teams I've seen at this level after we equalised. That has more to do with player mentality. One difference between coaching a national team and a club team is that you have less time with the national team to establish a culture, less games to correct problems and a restricted player list (only from 1 country). KSA actually played much like Heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huzie Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 He's on 6 million a year! Wouldn't come to Australia for 400 odd thousand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mario Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Be interesting to hear what Ante's prefered playing style would be. Having been under JVS for two years I would be slightly concerned if it's an almost like for like swap, I'm not sold on it myself. I want Ange Posti as honestly the only team in the HAl that's a joy to watch is Brisbane. Shit not ANGE!!! No way in hell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 We play a much more flexible style that Roar. Ange plays his team the same way every game no matter what the opponent and players have to find a way to be creative from within that style. Our style depends on our opponents and our available players but is based around fast counter-attacks stretching play on the wings, and to a lesser extent possession. Roar's style will come up against it's limitations sooner, our style is more difficult to do well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamo_Melb_Warrior Posted March 4, 2012 Report Share Posted March 4, 2012 What do we make of Newcastle's revival this season and thus, the experience Arthur Papas has got under GVE? I think the club will not spend a bucket load on the coach. They want that money back into the club and I cannot blame them despite my preference for an experienced coach. I think Ante has the gig, just think the club want to keep the same thing going and not break up the spike we are having. I don't fully agree with this as I think Ante will lack the tactical nous of JVS and I think the club need to climb a few levels before satisfaction takes place. If say we go from a $700,000 a year coach to a $250,000 a year coach, I would want that money invested in other areas, like Scouting and Marketing and things that will take the club to the top of the A League. That should be the aim. Whether it be the decision with the coach, recruiting players, marketing, whatever, it should be the aim of the club to be the absolute best in league. As more clubs come in to the league, we should not make the mistake like Victory have when the league expanded they were still stuck with that vision and mentality of 6 clubs and have fallen badly. We should be the frontier of decision making and look to the future. Whilst crowds for us are disappointing, I still believe we can have the biggest support in the league in years to come. Not next year, maybe not in 5 years, but the Melbourne sporting market is huge, and whilst Victory think they have the majority of the support, in all seriousness, they have a small percentage of support in Melbourne. There are hundred of thousands of people in the community that do not support a team. The aim should be to get this. Obtain in in every which way. Indian community, Asian community, Greek community, Academic side of Melbourne, Arts side of Melbourne, Corporate side of Melbourne. Just have a vision to market to all these types. Westpac have thousands and thousands of employees, I know the club give them tickets, but what about a Westpac free day, for every employee to obtain a free ticket to come to the game? Stick them at the top of AAMI Park and just make them feel part of the club? Say we get a few families out of that and maybe 3k more people to the game, the atmosphere could attract them into coming back. The new manager is a massive decision, as we can see from some other sides, getting it wrong can have disastrous affects and unlike some other sides, we cannot afford at this point of time, to get this wrong on that scale. I must say, whilst I will enjoy the run home and hopefully the finals birth, I am somewhat a forward thinker and my thoughts are also with this decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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