theresonlyonebzamora Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Fwiw the closing of the euro transfer window means little to us right now as we would be more likely to be chasing out of contract/free agent players who can move at any time (within Australia's loose transfer guidelines) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARKMILES Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 (edited) Confirmation from the club of the seriousness of the Injury. Season definitely ended. Melbourne Heart FC midfielder Orlando Engelaar will undergo surgery tomorrow evening on a fractured left tibia. Following tomorrow’s surgery, and after consultation with the Club’s medical staff, the Club will put in place a rehabilitation program for Engelaar. “The Club does not wish to put in place a time line for recovery until the surgical process has concluded," General Manager Football Operations, John Didulica, said. “Our number one priority is to support Orlando and manage his health and well-being in what is obviously a challenging time.” There will be no further comment from the Club at this stage. Edited August 30, 2013 by MARKMILES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart is Melbourne Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Bumped into a member of Heart staff today and can fill you in. It's actually a shaft of tibia fracture that required a rod / nail - a worse scenario than I posted above. I checked with my orthopod today out of interest - a good five to six months to come back from this is the best case scenario. He was insured as of last Friday morning so club have dodged a bullet there. Generally people at the club really down about this - it was explained to me how much effort went in to getting him to Heart and how keen and excited staff were when he arrived. Attempts are being made to find a replacement marquee with acknowledgement this is difficult at the moment - but with European window closing on (??) Monday, the dust will settle and possibly a disillusioned or out of favour option available. To find an Australian of this quality is very difficult given limited market options and availability. I am reassured the club are now actively searching and are getting on with it. Cudos to them - they know they have to get cracking. And no finality on McGrath - decision still to be made and nothing locked in. Thanks for the info. Everyone here im sure appreciates how tough it must be for the club right now and, yes, cudos for not sitting back and doing nothing. It would be reassuring if the club didn't give us the "no further comment at this stage" atleast for us members because thie is massive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulhollanddrive Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Thanks for the info. Rare to get accurate info that's straight to the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Bumped into a member of Heart staff today and can fill you in. It's actually a shaft of tibia fracture that required a rod / nail - a worse scenario than I posted above. I checked with my orthopod today out of interest - a good five to six months to come back from this is the best case scenario. He was insured as of last Friday morning so club have dodged a bullet there. Generally people at the club really down about this - it was explained to me how much effort went in to getting him to Heart and how keen and excited staff were when he arrived. Attempts are being made to find a replacement marquee with acknowledgement this is difficult at the moment - but with European window closing on (??) Monday, the dust will settle and possibly a disillusioned or out of favour option available. To find an Australian of this quality is very difficult given limited market options and availability. I am reassured the club are now actively searching and are getting on with it. Cudos to them - they know they have to get cracking. And no finality on McGrath - decision still to be made and nothing locked in. Thanks for the info. Everyone here im sure appreciates how tough it must be for the club right now and, yes, cudos for not sitting back and doing nothing. It would be reassuring if the club didn't give us the "no further comment at this stage" atleast for us members because thie is massive. I doubt that the club will rush into further statements about OE. They'll want to talk though the whole situation with Orlando before making further comment. It's not only about the technicalities of his injury management, but also about the future prospects he might have with the club, and also about the situation with him and his family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Bumped into a member of Heart staff today and can fill you in. It's actually a shaft of tibia fracture that required a rod / nail - a worse scenario than I posted above. I checked with my orthopod today out of interest - a good five to six months to come back from this is the best case scenario. He was insured as of last Friday morning so club have dodged a bullet there. Generally people at the club really down about this - it was explained to me how much effort went in to getting him to Heart and how keen and excited staff were when he arrived. Attempts are being made to find a replacement marquee with acknowledgement this is difficult at the moment - but with European window closing on (??) Monday, the dust will settle and possibly a disillusioned or out of favour option available. To find an Australian of this quality is very difficult given limited market options and availability. I am reassured the club are now actively searching and are getting on with it. Cudos to them - they know they have to get cracking. And no finality on McGrath - decision still to be made and nothing locked in. Thanks for the info. Everyone here im sure appreciates how tough it must be for the club right now and, yes, cudos for not sitting back and doing nothing. It would be reassuring if the club didn't give us the "no further comment at this stage" atleast for us members because thie is massive. I doubt that the club will rush into further statements about OE. They'll want to talk though the whole situation with Orlando before making further comment. It's not only about the technicalities of his injury management, but also about the future prospects he might have with the club, and also about the situation with him and his family. Agree, even if he returns to football with us next season, he's unlikely to be a marquee at 35. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Bumped into a member of Heart staff today and can fill you in. It's actually a shaft of tibia fracture that required a rod / nail - a worse scenario than I posted above. I checked with my orthopod today out of interest - a good five to six months to come back from this is the best case scenario. He was insured as of last Friday morning so club have dodged a bullet there. Generally people at the club really down about this - it was explained to me how much effort went in to getting him to Heart and how keen and excited staff were when he arrived. Attempts are being made to find a replacement marquee with acknowledgement this is difficult at the moment - but with European window closing on (??) Monday, the dust will settle and possibly a disillusioned or out of favour option available. To find an Australian of this quality is very difficult given limited market options and availability. I am reassured the club are now actively searching and are getting on with it. Cudos to them - they know they have to get cracking. And no finality on McGrath - decision still to be made and nothing locked in. Thanks for the info. Everyone here im sure appreciates how tough it must be for the club right now and, yes, cudos for not sitting back and doing nothing. It would be reassuring if the club didn't give us the "no further comment at this stage" atleast for us members because thie is massive. I doubt that the club will rush into further statements about OE. They'll want to talk though the whole situation with Orlando before making further comment. It's not only about the technicalities of his injury management, but also about the future prospects he might have with the club, and also about the situation with him and his family. Agree, even if he returns to football with us next season, he's unlikely to be a marquee at 35. What are you saying? More smart business from the club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddersss Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 My best mate goes to uni with Joey Didulica, got her to ask about the injury, just got this: "Joey said that the guy is out for the season. He's got a clean break. They paid half a million for him & only played 25mins. Now they are looking for a new striker" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Bumped into a member of Heart staff today and can fill you in. It's actually a shaft of tibia fracture that required a rod / nail - a worse scenario than I posted above. I checked with my orthopod today out of interest - a good five to six months to come back from this is the best case scenario. He was insured as of last Friday morning so club have dodged a bullet there. Generally people at the club really down about this - it was explained to me how much effort went in to getting him to Heart and how keen and excited staff were when he arrived. Attempts are being made to find a replacement marquee with acknowledgement this is difficult at the moment - but with European window closing on (??) Monday, the dust will settle and possibly a disillusioned or out of favour option available. To find an Australian of this quality is very difficult given limited market options and availability. I am reassured the club are now actively searching and are getting on with it. Cudos to them - they know they have to get cracking. And no finality on McGrath - decision still to be made and nothing locked in. Thanks for the info. Everyone here im sure appreciates how tough it must be for the club right now and, yes, cudos for not sitting back and doing nothing. It would be reassuring if the club didn't give us the "no further comment at this stage" atleast for us members because thie is massive. I doubt that the club will rush into further statements about OE. They'll want to talk though the whole situation with Orlando before making further comment. It's not only about the technicalities of his injury management, but also about the future prospects he might have with the club, and also about the situation with him and his family. Agree, even if he returns to football with us next season, he's unlikely to be a marquee at 35. What are you saying? More smart business from the club? I'm saying that at 35 and with a year out of the game, it'll be hard to make a case that any player in that situation is a marquee signing. He may be on the player list but hardly a marquee. Shit happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 My best mate goes to uni with Joey Didulica, got her to ask about the injury, just got this: "Joey said that the guy is out for the season. He's got a clean break. They paid half a million for him & only played 25mins. Now they are looking for a new striker" so we aren't signing McGrath then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommykins Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Does anyone know if McGrath is still trialing with the club? If so, surely he starts against Oakleigh on Wendesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 My best mate goes to uni with Joey Didulica, got her to ask about the injury, just got this: "Joey said that the guy is out for the season. He's got a clean break. They paid half a million for him & only played 25mins. Now they are looking for a new striker" so we aren't signing McGrath then? Does anyone know if McGrath is still trialing with the club? If so, surely he starts against Oakleigh on Wendesday I'll be at the Oakleigh game and I'm certainly hoping that we are going to see McGrath start for us. It's not as if we don't know what our other forwards are capable of - for the past six games against A-League opposition not much at all. Sometimes I wonder about what it is we're looking for in players - quite a few have passed through our fingers who looked pretty suitable to me but somehow didn't make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 My best mate goes to uni with Joey Didulica, got her to ask about the injury, just got this: "Joey said that the guy is out for the season. He's got a clean break. They paid half a million for him & only played 25mins. Now they are looking for a new striker" Anything about an injury replacement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTinator Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 (edited) My best mate goes to uni with Joey Didulica, got her to ask about the injury, just got this: "Joey said that the guy is out for the season. He's got a clean break. They paid half a million for him & only played 25mins. Now they are looking for a new striker" So it seems that JA and JD think the team can manage without a like-for-like replacement for Engelaar but the clear worry is that we don't have someone who can be relied upon to bang them in, week in week out. Nothing new there Edited September 2, 2013 by HEARTinator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddersss Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 My best mate goes to uni with Joey Didulica, got her to ask about the injury, just got this: "Joey said that the guy is out for the season. He's got a clean break. They paid half a million for him & only played 25mins. Now they are looking for a new striker" Anything about an injury replacement? I tried to get her to ask but she just said that they're looking, not sure if that means looking for a replacement or the striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 So, is Joey Didulica an authoritative source or is he just paraphrasing what is already known? I can't see that he's said anything new except indicate what sort of wage Engelaar is on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddersss Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 So, is Joey Didulica an authoritative source or is he just paraphrasing what is already known? I can't see that he's said anything new except indicate what sort of wage Engelaar is on. Just passing on what I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 My best mate goes to uni with Joey Didulica, got her to ask about the injury, just got this: "Joey said that the guy is out for the season. He's got a clean break. They paid half a million for him & only played 25mins. Now they are looking for a new striker" Wassnt it suggested a while ago a clean break would be best case scenario because its less messy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Comminuted fracture (break with fragments) approximately 20-30 weeks. McGrath is still training. Just what i've been told this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 he's gone for the season then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofhearts Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Comminuted fracture (break with fragments) approximately 20-30 weeks. McGrath is still training. Just what i've been told this morning. Shit. Heart HQ better get off there ass and sign somebody else than. No time to be complacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartFc Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Can we just release him and move on? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schrecky Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 My news is that the insurance was done a few days before he injured himself, they are replacing him, but we are looking after him as well as he did bring his family down to start fresh in aussie land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 My news is that the insurance was done a few days before he injured himself, they are replacing him, but we are looking after him as well as he did bring his family down to start fresh in aussie land. So his time with heart is ogre? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn Asunder Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 The situation with Engelaar is terribly unfortunate and devastating for everyone associated with the club - especially for the player himself and his family. The nature of Football is that severe injuries will occur from time to time. Its just plain old bad luck for Heart that our first ever marquee will most probably not play at all this season. I believe after everything is said and done this situation can still end up as a positive. It certainly makes a good story and will forever remain part of the history of Heart FC. I hope that we are the type of club that will look after Orlando over the next few months and still make him feel part of the team. I hope that as soon as he is physically capable, he is allowed to get involved in training, tactics and match days. Lets face it, he has almost a full career of experience at the highest level. Surely he can help still in developing our players and I reckon even on one leg he is capable of putting the fear of god into our midfielders if they dont train or play well. Ultimately if he is made to feel part of the club and not a burden, and if he is able to recover from his injury, he will probably feel like he owes the club a debt of gratitude and I think that unless he retires, at 35 he will still be good value a season from now. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 My news is that the insurance was done a few days before he injured himself, they are replacing him, but we are looking after him as well as he did bring his family down to start fresh in aussie land. So his time with heart is ogre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marteaux Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 My news is that the insurance was done a few days before he injured himself, they are replacing him, but we are looking after him as well as he did bring his family down to start fresh in aussie land.So his time with heart is ogre? rofl WD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexandro Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 "Meanwhile, Aloisi said Heart's Dutch marquee signing Orlando Engelaar, who fractured his tibia in a recent pre-season match, would not need surgery, but would not run for three months and might not play again for up to six months." http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1166357/Leader-Kewell-targets-major-goals Hmmm. This implies he could not be back till March. I feel like it would be better to forget about him this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGaffer Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 "Meanwhile, Aloisi said Heart's Dutch marquee signing Orlando Engelaar, who fractured his tibia in a recent pre-season match, would not need surgery, but would not run for three months and might not play again for up to six months." http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1166357/Leader-Kewell-targets-major-goals Hmmm. This implies he could not be back till March. I feel like it would be better to forget about him this season. So he didn't have the surgery or he did and Aloisi was not advised? Why did JD say that the player was going to have the surgery last week? Not sure of which day that was announced by could have been last Wednesday, with the surgery on Thursday and the club saying there was going to be no more comments about rehab time until after the surgery. Does anyone at the club talk with one another or is there some sort of disconnect? This does not suprise me one bit....10 days after major injury to a marque player, who was billed as being one of the most important signings this club has ever made, and there is conflicting information coming from various sources within the club as to whether the player had surgery or not to his leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 My news is that the insurance was done a few days before he injured himself, they are replacing him, but we are looking after him as well as he did bring his family down to start fresh in aussie land. So his time with heart is ogre? rofl WD Yes, our next signing is Shrek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 My news is that the insurance was done a few days before he injured himself, they are replacing him, but we are looking after him as well as he did bring his family down to start fresh in aussie land. So his time with heart is ogre? rofl WD Yes, our next signing is Shrek. Moyes won't let Rooney leave though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 "Meanwhile, Aloisi said Heart's Dutch marquee signing Orlando Engelaar, who fractured his tibia in a recent pre-season match, would not need surgery, but would not run for three months and might not play again for up to six months." http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1166357/Leader-Kewell-targets-major-goals Hmmm. This implies he could not be back till March. I feel like it would be better to forget about him this season. So he didn't have the surgery or he did and Aloisi was not advised? Why did JD say that the player was going to have the surgery last week? Not sure of which day that was announced by could have been last Wednesday, with the surgery on Thursday and the club saying there was going to be no more comments about rehab time until after the surgery. Does anyone at the club talk with one another or is there some sort of disconnect? This does not suprise me one bit....10 days after major injury to a marque player, who was billed as being one of the most important signings this club has ever made, and there is conflicting information coming from various sources within the club as to whether the player had surgery or not to his leg. In fairness, I don't think the club did not say that OE had had the surgery, just that he was going to. This is the news release last Wednesday. 'Melbourne Heart FC midfielder Orlando Engelaar will undergo surgery tomorrow evening on a fractured left tibia. Following tomorrow’s surgery, and after consultation with the Club’s medical staff, the Club will put in place a rehabilitation program for Engelaar. “The Club does not wish to put in place a time line for recovery until the surgical process has concluded," General Manager Football Operations, John Didulica, said. “Our number one priority is to support Orlando and manage his health and well-being in what is obviously a challenging time.” There will be no further comment from the Club at this stage.' It's quite possible that the medical team assessing Engelaar changed their minds, or that surgery was rejected for some other reason. However, I agree with you on two points. One, we can forget about Orlando for this season. Everything points to the club chasing a replacement, including a tweet today from Munn. Two, IMHO it is time for a more clarity on the injury situation for all players, not just Engelaar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millm103 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Good promising article for Engelaar, to start running by December and hopefully to play in the 2nd half of the year....... Better news than what we have been receiving. http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/wielaert-in-race-for-fitness-20130904-2t5l6.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart_fan10 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 good news. Hopefully Wieleart is fit for round one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulhollanddrive Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 So no surgery? That would seem better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 First half of season: Park Bus, wait for Engelaar. Second Half: Profit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChopperHeart Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 (edited) First half of season: Park Bus, wait for Engelaar. Second Half: Profit Isn't the issue here that Engalaar was supposed to be our bus? Edited September 5, 2013 by ChopperHeart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpy Posted September 6, 2013 Report Share Posted September 6, 2013 First half of season: Park Bus, wait for Engelaar. Second Half: Profit Isn't the issue here that Engalaar was supposed to be our bus? Was he wheelie? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinnamon Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 I heard OE has gone back to Holland, anyone know for sure? Makes sense given he probably hasn't set his family up out here yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluka Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 Yeah, he's gone back to holland 100%. I think he'll be back after a month and will commence running late november (previously december, so good progress) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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