JVS - The coach from the land of chronic

[natalie182]

I'm a Cardiff supporter. Another colour change will be too much for me.

I know for a fact you stated supporting Cardiff post color change.

It was post colour change. Doesn't mean I like it. I chat with Cardiff fans, read the forum etc and I can see how much they hate it. Obviously different in terms of our histories but still not nice to have to change the colours that people are used to and like and are opposite to Heart's city rivals. Just because I didn't support Cardiff for 50 years before the colour change doesn't mean I agree with it.

Why am I being attacked anyway? I have my opinion that I want to keep red and white and don't want to keep JVS. That should be enough.

[FB.]

I think it just wouldn't feel right if we're starting over with new owners, new name, new colours (hopefully only away) etc but we go back to our old coach. He was ok but nothing special.

I just feel like I want everything to start over including coach. Don't want to go backwards in any way.

How can you be hopeful towards having our club effectively killed off and replaced by another? Everyone was complaining that this would happen if we were bought by South Melbourne yet we are happy to let city do what they want?

Regardless of what others may say our club does have history and I for one want to keep it. It is not good enough to try and just pretend it didn't happen. We as supporters turned up week in week out loyally supporting our club in misery knowing that it would make the good times all that much sweeter.

I know I didn't sacrifice so much in supporting this club just to have it replaced.

We do not need to change everything to change our image of being a losing small team. Just being bought by city is almost enough to do that (winning games should do the rest)

:clap:

[Murfy1]

On trying to win more over the short term, it should be noted the new owners, Man City, want style or 'good football' more than results:

 

Soriano: I can say now that we will work very hard to play good football. Everything starts and finishes with that, and if we are able to play good football then we will win and attract fans and develop an identity.

In football, there's little space for marketing tricks - it's about playing good football. People will come to the stadium if we do and entertain them. The whole idea, in Manchester, New York and here, is entertaining people.

To date we have scored 106 goals in the season in England, this is what we want. Here, it might take more or less time, but it's important - we don't want to win and then play good football. We want to play good football and if then takes a bit longer to be successful, that's fine, because we want to get to the place we are in England right now.

 

Also, as the NYC FC example shows, Man City want something of a planner/tactician for a coach:

 

“We have a philosophy that we want to play, that we like and the people like, and after that, we sign the coach,” said Begiristain, a former Barcelona and Spain player. “After that, he is free.”

Soriano said: “These are broad concepts, but very strong. We would never choose a manager, whether it is Manuel Pellegrini in Manchester or Jason here, that would not believe in those pillars. On those pillars, he can build whatever he wants.”

 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/11/sports/soccer/new-york-city-fc-introduces-a-philosophy-along-with-its-coach.html?_r=0

 

If JVS gets results in what remains of our season, say several more wins, then IMO he should seriously be considered for a coaching position next season. But I'm fine with us getting a new coach, although if we get one I think he'll be fairly similar to JVS (a tactician, trying to build something for the long term etc.)

[tigerou812]

Where did I say I was happy for them to be changed? I definitely want red and white to stay.

I want everything else to change so we're not the crappiest club in the country, but I have always wanted to keep our colours and Heart at least as a nickname.

Don't worry Natalie their is a lot of selective reading on this forum. I got what you were saying it was quite clear to me.

[heart_fan10]

coached extremely well tonight. We played positive football and stuck to our style even with 10 men down. His substitutions were well timed and all looking to win the game.

Wouldn't mind if he was given the job next season

[Shahanga]

coached extremely well tonight. We played positive football and stuck to our style even with 10 men down. His substitutions were well timed and all looking to win the game.

Wouldn't mind if he was given the job next season

Agreed but what would JA say at home?

 

"he was lucky"

[mulhollanddrive]

First full game I've watched under JVS second coming.

 

And the game style is completely different.  No long balls, and players know what they're meant to do.  We still have players who are more runners than finishers (Behich, Hoffman, Murdocca, Ramsay etc) which makes us look clumsy in front of goal, I think JVS will want more technical players if he gets the gig next year.  Think of Babalj, Fred, Sibon.

[marteaux]

 

 

I'm a Cardiff supporter. Another colour change will be too much for me.

I know for a fact you stated supporting Cardiff post color change.

It was post colour change. Doesn't mean I like it. I chat with Cardiff fans, read the forum etc and I can see how much they hate it. Obviously different in terms of our histories but still not nice to have to change the colours that people are used to and like and are opposite to Heart's city rivals. Just because I didn't support Cardiff for 50 years before the colour change doesn't mean I agree with it.

Why am I being attacked anyway? I have my opinion that I want to keep red and white and don't want to keep JVS. That should be enough.

 

 

she reads the forum etc

I would not argue with her.

[Murfy1]

coached extremely well tonight. We played positive football and stuck to our style even with 10 men down. His substitutions were well timed and all looking to win the game.

Wouldn't mind if he was given the job next season

 

If he keeps up the good football and good results for most of what remains of the season, and I think he can, I'd also be happy if the new ownership signed JVS for next season.

[NewConvert]

First full game I've watched under JVS second coming.

 

And the game style is completely different.  No long balls, and players know what they're meant to do.  We still have players who are more runners than finishers (Behich, Hoffman, Murdocca, Ramsay etc) which makes us look clumsy in front of goal, I think JVS will want more technical players if he gets the gig next year.  Think of Babalj, Fred, Sibon.

 

Agree with regards to style ans structure but the rest of the statement is contentious.

 

Hoffman is currently playing RB and Behich LB and although it is great that Behich can have a shot at goal their role seems to be to take the ball from defence all the way deep into attack. AFAIK Hoffmann has not had a shot on goal but he has crossed the ball into the box. Ramsay had a blinder against the Jets with a good goal and a great assist. Also the team are just now gaining self-belief and confidence, so for me is whether they can continue to improve for the remainder of the season. As far as Babalj I can honestly say that I never thought that he was technical and although he showed promise, it went unfulfilled.

[big_papa_g22]

Sack J.V.S & appoint the golden child John Alosi or, kiss our season good-bye! What's the point of winning all those games away earlier in the season when we've lost 3 in-a-row at home. There's been no improvement on the 2010/11 season so far.

wow

[Tesla]

10 year contract.

[mjake1234]

FWIW I'm with Natalie on this one. Not getting back to the red-and-white/name issues - they're on another thread - but on the coach issue. I think JvS is a good coach, but he always gives me the impression that he's what I'll call a long-term coach. He's all about development, structure, holding formations, passing accuracy and the other technical aspects of the game, but I don't sense that he places enough importance on actually winning. The A-League is only 27 matches, and there's not a lot of time for settling into the season, gelling, and all that sort of thing, and I don't see him as the sort of person who will come in and make changes and ruffle a few feathers, or kick players up the backside when they are underperforming. Which, in fact, he has demonstrated in this caretaker role he's in at the moment.

The problem we have at the moment is that the timing was all wrong. The club took far too long to move JA out, brought in JvS in the caretaker role - which was fine as the organisation stood then - but then within a couple of weeks along came new owners leaving JvS not only as a caretaker coach but also something of a lame duck coach.

I'm happy with him in a caretaker role because I basically see what happens for the rest of this season as largely irrelevant in respect of the future, but I don't think he's the right man for 2014-15 and beyond. All other issues aside, IMO what this club needs to grow in terms of spectator support is to win more matches, take us to a top-4 finish, and win some silverware within 3 years. And I think we need a coach with a harder "edge" to do that.

Oops - JVS must have listened to you. Last night we are 1 man down and 1 goal down and he brings on two attackers. I think he totally outmanoeuvred Farina.

[Parrot]

JVS is quite possibly the best coach and man manager in the A League.

He's not afraid to make serious tactical changes during a game, as he did against Sydney FC, where he completely outclassed Farina.

 

In addition, JVS gets his players organised and knowing what they are meant to do. Look at the changes to our game since Aloisi was sacked.

JVS also gets the players playing for him.  The players have come back from behind to win against Newcastle and Sydney FC and draw away at Adelaide, when a win was snatched from them in injury time.

 

JVS is also prepared to make big decisions on players, like he did with Colosimo. Just look what happened when Aloisi reversed direction and played Colosimo every game.

 

Looks like JVS has now made a decision on Mifsud.

 

[Tony999]

FWIW I'm with Natalie on this one. Not getting back to the red-and-white/name issues - they're on another thread - but on the coach issue. I think JvS is a good coach, but he always gives me the impression that he's what I'll call a long-term coach. He's all about development, structure, holding formations, passing accuracy and the other technical aspects of the game, but I don't sense that he places enough importance on actually winning. The A-League is only 27 matches, and there's not a lot of time for settling into the season, gelling, and all that sort of thing, and I don't see him as the sort of person who will come in and make changes and ruffle a few feathers, or kick players up the backside when they are underperforming. Which, in fact, he has demonstrated in this caretaker role he's in at the moment.

 

The problem we have at the moment is that the timing was all wrong. The club took far too long to move JA out, brought in JvS in the caretaker role - which was fine as the organisation stood then - but then within a couple of weeks along came new owners leaving JvS not only as a caretaker coach but also something of a lame duck coach.

 

I'm happy with him in a caretaker role because I basically see what happens for the rest of this season as largely irrelevant in respect of the future, but I don't think he's the right man for 2014-15 and beyond. All other issues aside, IMO what this club needs to grow in terms of spectator support is to win more matches, take us to a top-4 finish, and win some silverware within 3 years. And I think we need a coach with a harder "edge" to do that.

 

I disagree. I'm not protecting JVS but what time has he had to gel the team if he has only coached us for 4 weeks?

[jw1739]

I think after last night I'd better crawl back into my hole...

[mjake1234]

FWIW I'm with Natalie on this one. Not getting back to the red-and-white/name issues - they're on another thread - but on the coach issue. I think JvS is a good coach, but he always gives me the impression that he's what I'll call a long-term coach. He's all about development, structure, holding formations, passing accuracy and the other technical aspects of the game, but I don't sense that he places enough importance on actually winning. The A-League is only 27 matches, and there's not a lot of time for settling into the season, gelling, and all that sort of thing, and I don't see him as the sort of person who will come in and make changes and ruffle a few feathers, or kick players up the backside when they are underperforming. Which, in fact, he has demonstrated in this caretaker role he's in at the moment.

The problem we have at the moment is that the timing was all wrong. The club took far too long to move JA out, brought in JvS in the caretaker role - which was fine as the organisation stood then - but then within a couple of weeks along came new owners leaving JvS not only as a caretaker coach but also something of a lame duck coach.

I'm happy with him in a caretaker role because I basically see what happens for the rest of this season as largely irrelevant in respect of the future, but I don't think he's the right man for 2014-15 and beyond. All other issues aside, IMO what this club needs to grow in terms of spectator support is to win more matches, take us to a top-4 finish, and win some silverware within 3 years. And I think we need a coach with a harder "edge" to do that.

I disagree. I'm not protecting JVS but what time has he had to gel the team if he has only coached us for 4 weeks? Not very much but his stamp is already evident. The style of play has changed, the players are more confident and playing better football, we are attacking AND we are now winning games. It should only get better.

[Peter]

I think JVS is a very good coach in the making. From what I understand his background is in youth teams/development. He will have learned a lot from his first stint here and from his time in Mexico.

He has shown that he can turn things around. One of the derby victories in his first stint and last nights performance have given me confidence. In coaching terms JVS is still young and will continue to improve. The turn around since he has taken over has been obvious to all. Unless the club spends mega dollars, I don't think we will attract a much better coach to the A-league.

JVS has my support.

[jw1739]

I think JVS is a very good coach in the making. From what I understand his background is in youth teams/development. He will have learned a lot from his first stint here and from his time in Mexico.

He has shown that he can turn things around. One of the derby victories in his first stint and last nights performance have given me confidence. In coaching terms JVS is still young and will continue to improve. The turn around since he has taken over has been obvious to all. Unless the club spends mega dollars, I don't think we will attract a much better coach to the A-league.

JVS has my support.

Peter, I don't know what sort of figure you're thinking about as "mega dollars" but he was pretty expensive last time around. 

[tigerou812]

I think one good thing about the city group is that they will get a good coach in weather that is JVS or someone else. If the coach is not doing a good enough job we aren't going to have to wait like with did with JA. I think these blokes will do what needs to be done and won't be afraid of getting their hands dirty.

[Peter]

 

I think JVS is a very good coach in the making. From what I understand his background is in youth teams/development. He will have learned a lot from his first stint here and from his time in Mexico.

He has shown that he can turn things around. One of the derby victories in his first stint and last nights performance have given me confidence. In coaching terms JVS is still young and will continue to improve. The turn around since he has taken over has been obvious to all. Unless the club spends mega dollars, I don't think we will attract a much better coach to the A-league.

JVS has my support.

Peter, I don't know what sort of figure you're thinking about as "mega dollars" but he was pretty expensive last time around.

$1 Million or thereabouts.

I know there are a number of coaches that would fit in on around the amount of dollars as JVS, but JVS knows the Australian game, how to work within the salary cap and If results continue as they have should be given the chance to build our football.

He seems to be handling the older players better this time around and I don't suspect a fire sale of players by our current owners.

I want to see what he can do with a free reign.

[kingofhearts]

To me atm these results are fools gold in a sense. JVS has come into a team with no expectations and been able to make changes were he has pleased. I would like to see what JVS would've done in the same situation, as we were in last night, except with heart being 6th on the ladder, battling with sydney for a finals spot. Would've he allowed the players to continue playing, even when we got back to 1-1?

 

However you can't deny his influence on the playing group, mate dugantic a perfect example. Here was a bloke who looked finished under JA but under JVS he has been amazing. Tbh the only player who is still stuck in JA mode is redmayne, every other player has showed glimpses of their true potential.

 

What i like about JVS is that he has actually made players accountable, when before JA would've continued to play misfud, even though he's made it quite clear he can't play for shit, JVS started on the bench against Adelaide and than dropped him from the team entirely yesterday (Or so i believe anyway, not buying this mystery injury bullshit)

 

While i don't think he is the man to take us forward, he has done nothing wrong so far at his second stint at heart and if he were to be given the job next season i would fully support the club. Every week i seem to like him more and more!

[Murfy1]

Michael Lynch tweeted yesterday: 'I think Van't Schip ticks a lot of the boxes for them [Man City] myself unless they want a complete restart'

 

I agree with Peter that knowing Australian football and the A-League is very important, so that's a big tick for JVS. It's a real leg up to know the A-League, the salary cap, and what it actually means to work with serious squad restrictions.

 

The A-League and the MLS aren't like the Chinese Super League or even many European leagues, where a club, like Guangzhou Evergrande, can get a top coach to preside over an expensive squad worth tens of millions of dollars (estimate around 40 million a year for Guangzhou) and pretty much buy success. That JVS is used to having an A-League squad worth less than 3 million, with 1 or 2 exceptions, is very valuable. 

 

That's the main reason why Jason Kreis, a seasoned MLS coach, was recruited for NYC FC by Man City.

 

Also, I reckon just about any coach that Man City might recruit for Heart next season would probably have at least a 1 season learning curve, where we at least don't win a trophy (or maybe don't even make the top 2 or 3, or the grand final). By comparison, JVS should be able to hit the ground running.

 

So if JVS can keep up his good coaching, he should be a serious contender to coach Heart next season IMO.

Edited February 1, 2014 by Murfy1

[mulhollanddrive]

Agree.

 

Unless there's an overseas too good to refuse, JVS is best option as I see it. 

 

I always liked what he stood for, and with 3 years more experience for this re-start I think it'll be good. 

[Murfy1]

John van 't Schip gets Melbourne Heart back on track

 

February 2, 2014

 

Michael Lynch

 

If anyone had said to you a month ago that Melbourne Heart would, by the start of February, be one of the form teams in the A-League, you would have been forgiven for falling on the floor laughing.

 

But such has been the transformation in the A-League's cellar dweller in the past five games that no one will fancy taking on the John van't Schip-coached side in the final 10 rounds of the season.

 

Heart looms as a banana skin upon which any number of fancied teams might slip up.

 

Yes, the takeover by Manchester City, announced just before the team travelled to Adelaide for its round-16 game, clearly has had an impact.

 

Players have been buoyed by the news that one of the world's richest clubs has bought their team, even if many of them know that they will have little or no future in what might or might not be a sky blue heaven in the next few years.

 

They can all hope and dream though, and the thought that a string of impressive performances in the last few months of the campaign could win them a reprieve for next season will have a galvanising effect.

 

But the biggest impact has surely come from van 't Schip.

 

When John Aloisi was sacked just after Christmas, things looked bleak for Heart.

 

Adrift at the foot of the table, Heart had secured only four points from 12 games all season and was on course to beat the New Zealand Knights' record of 19 successive games without a win.

 

Van't Schip has had an immediate impact. A grinding goalless draw away with champion Central Coast preceded a luckless loss in Perth.

 

But things have really turned around in the past three weeks as Heart has taken seven points from a possible nine, defeating Newcastle, drawing with Adelaide and then achieving that memorable win over Sydney on Friday night, despite playing almost an hour of the game with 10 men.

 

David Williams' wonderful solo goal in the dying minutes gave Heart a deserved win over a team that, just five days earlier, had humbled Melbourne Victory 5-0.

 

For Williams, as van't Schip said, the goal came at an important time.

 

The diminutive forward is a frustrating player: he has plenty of ability but lacks consistency and while Aloisi was a fan, van't Schip has, over the years, been less enamoured.

 

But played in wide areas and given a license to run and chase, Williams has plenty to offer, as he showed having come off the bench with 20 minutes remaining.

 

After the game van't Schip challenged the forward, and the rest of his teammates, to reach that level of performance every week.

 

''It was a really good goal, fantastic,'' he said. ''For him I think it's very important, being injured the last week, coming in, coming out and every player needs sometimes a good moment.

 

''For David it was a fantastic moment, he did everything on his own and showed in that one moment that he has a lot of quality.

 

''I'm only here for a few weeks now and David has to bring more. Like all the other players they have to believe more in themselves. [but] the confidence is growing.''

 

Another key to the win, achieved despite the loss of Dutch international midfielder Orlando Engelaar after 33 minutes, was the performance of Jonatan Germano.

 

The utility has not been able to start all season given his problems with a calf injury. But he came off the bench to good effect in Adelaide a week earlier, and, given a chance from the start on Friday night, showed in no uncertain terms how important he can be to Heart.

 

Germano, an Argentinian, is tactically aware, has decent technical ability and plays with relentless energy and aggression.

 

He also has the knack of popping up and scoring a goal at a crucial time. He almost got one with a header in the first half, and then he got the equaliser in the second.

 

He and the diminutive Massimo Murdocca will, when fit and able to play together, form one of the most energetic midfield combinations in the league.

 

Heart travels to Albury next weekend to play Perth Glory, and with its confidence growing will probably start favourite - something that would have been unthinkable just a month or so ago.

 

For Sydney this was a game that could prove costly. A goal up against 10 men and with all the confidence of that 5-0 win over Victory to lift it, Frank Farina's side really should have gone home with something.

 

But, as Farina said, they were generally outpointed all over the pitch and ''weren't at the races'' in the second half.

 

''It was like we played with 10 men the second half. Both the goals were very bad mistakes from us and we were punished,'' he said.

 

''I think the first one against us was a goalkeeping blunder to a degree and the second one, Richie Garcia's lost it in the middle of the park when we're under no pressure and one-against-three gets in and scores. If I had the answer for inconsistency, I'd be the greatest manager in the world, but it rears its ugly head there again tonight.

 

''For me it boils down to the fundamentals of football, keeping the ball, and we failed to do that, particularly in the second half.''

 

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/john-van-t-schip-gets-melbourne-heart-back-on-track-20140201-31u5n.html

Edited February 1, 2014 by Murfy1

[Murfy1]

Melbourne Heart players fully supportive if John van 't Schip stayed as coach next season

 

Matt Windley

 

February 1, 2014

 

MELBOURNE Heart players would be fully supportive if John van 't Schip was appointed as coach next season according to defender Jason Hoffman.

 

As heavy hitters from new owners Manchester City continue to make their assessments of the club, decisions on the appointment of all Heart players and staff, including the coach, aren't likely to be finalised until after the A-League season concludes.

 

Results so far in the Dutchman's second stint in charge should weigh heavily in his favour _ Heart has taken eight of a possible 15 points since he was installed _ as will his tactical nous.

 

Hoffman said van 't Schip's decision to revert to a 3-4-3 formation for Friday night's 2-1 win over Sydney FC helped the team control the midfield, while the team's ability to orchestrate a victory despite going a goal down after being reduced to 10-men clearly demonstrates his players' structural discipline under his guidance.

 

"He's very passionate about Melbourne and this club in particular," Hoffman said yesterday.

 

"It's got a spot in his heart now. He took a big risk to come out from Europe in the first place and be the club's first head coach, but it's obviously left a mark on him and his family.

 

"If he was to stay on then I can imagine a lot of people would be very happy."

 

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/melbourne-heart-players-fully-supportive-if-john-van-t-schip-stayed-as-coach-next-season/story-fnk6rlg0-1226815841478

Edited February 1, 2014 by Murfy1

[jw1739]

I'd still be surprised if he is chosen by the ADUG/Storm consortium. Without knowing the details, I would be very surprised if the removal of JA in the final stages of negotiation for the purchase of Heart was not a requirement of the purchase. The pay-out amount was probably included in the purchase. Another condition was that Heart would appoint a caretaker coach until the end of the season - and who better and easier for Heart to appoint than the man already on the books in a technical role - JvS. Simple and quick.

 

Before concluding the agreement, ADUG/Storm would have reviewed all aspects of Heart as far as they were able to do so. No doubt watched a few matches and assessed the squad. Looked at the various staff such as assistant coaches etc. All this is standard practice. Everyone has a mate working for someone else, so it's dead easy for someone at Manchester City to find out about (just for example, Gerard Nus) by contacting their mate at Brighton and/or Liverpool. Football is a relatively small community.

 

I would therefore be astonished if there was not a short list drawn up for all the senior positions at Heart, and for many of the places in the senior squad for next season. Some of those shortlists might include the current incumbent.

 

What the new owners are doing now is finding out what they could not find out before they officially took over. The precise details of contractual arrangements, for example with players, staff, Latrobe University, various service providers, sponsors, etc. 

 

IMO a couple of things don't work in JvS' favour. One is that he walked out on us before, and the second is that (AFAIK) he is actually employed, or retained, by the Cruyff organisation. Time will tell.

[NewConvert]

I'd still be surprised if he is chosen by the ADUG/Storm consortium. Without knowing the details, I would be very surprised if the removal of JA in the final stages of negotiation for the purchase of Heart was not a requirement of the purchase. The pay-out amount was probably included in the purchase. Another condition was that Heart would appoint a caretaker coach until the end of the season - and who better and easier for Heart to appoint than the man already on the books in a technical role - JvS. Simple and quick.

 

Before concluding the agreement, ADUG/Storm would have reviewed all aspects of Heart as far as they were able to do so. No doubt watched a few matches and assessed the squad. Looked at the various staff such as assistant coaches etc. All this is standard practice. Everyone has a mate working for someone else, so it's dead easy for someone at Manchester City to find out about (just for example, Gerard Nus) by contacting their mate at Brighton and/or Liverpool. Football is a relatively small community.

 

I would therefore be astonished if there was not a short list drawn up for all the senior positions at Heart, and for many of the places in the senior squad for next season. Some of those shortlists might include the current incumbent.

 

What the new owners are doing now is finding out what they could not find out before they officially took over. The precise details of contractual arrangements, for example with players, staff, Latrobe University, various service providers, sponsors, etc. 

 

IMO a couple of things don't work in JvS' favour. One is that he walked out on us before, and the second is that (AFAIK) he is actually employed, or retained, by the Cruyff organisation. Time will tell.

 

Given the size of the transaction there would have been clauses regarding material impact, so I don't think the new owners are likely to find out new things that will materially affect their investment, for example, most players would be under a standard contract and if the contract varied widely from the standard then this would have been made known to them prior to the sale otherwise there may be a claim gainst the previous owners.

What the owners are looking at more closely is how much more investment is required, how best to leverage their expertise into a new market and where the playing list needs to improve. And how this all fits in to the Man City network.

[jw1739]

NewConvert - do you agree that they will already have ideas about the coaching team?

[japiedog]

Who ever coaches the team knows that they have to have a quality spine of the team

Goalkeeper - Centre Back - Center Midfield ( either 6 or 10) - Striker

 

Who out of our squad fits into that quality spine( that will be here next season) ??

 

Just throwing it our there

Edited February 2, 2014 by japiedog

[Murfy1]

I agree JW that Man City almost certainly have a selection criteria, as well as a shortlist, for next season's coaching positions.

 

As far as selection criteria is concerned, mainly, it seems, they want coaches that play the 'Man City way': Begiristain: 'we have a philosophy that we want to play[...] and after that, we sign the coach' and Soriano: 'these are broad concepts, but very strong. We would never choose a manager, whether it is Manuel Pellegrini in Manchester or Jason here [in New York City], that would not believe in those pillars. On those pillars, he can build whatever he wants'.

 

But I think JVS ticks a lot of their boxes. Begiristain said of JVS 'it helps that he comes from a country that loves football, that plays wonderful football', and Begiristain seems to have pretty strong dutch connections, even with Cruyff. Also, I'm pretty sure JVS' affiliation with the Cruyff Foundation doesn't prevent him from coaching, and if anything I think such a prestigious affiliation would make Man City more open to signing him.

 

Overall, though, I believe Man City will stick to their word and 'listen and learn', and if JVS does very well over the remainder of the season I reckon they'd be very open to signing him, because he can promote 'good football'/'the Man City way' and because he has A-League experience (which Kreis at NYC FC strongly suggests that they'd prefer).

 

If things don't go excellently for JVS though, or if Man City just want a fresh start, then I fully agree that they'll have a shortlist and they'll pick the best applicant off it.

[Pandev]

JVS is quite possibly the best coach and man manager in the A League.

He's not afraid to make serious tactical changes during a game, as he did against Sydney FC, where he completely outclassed Farina.

In addition, JVS gets his players organised and knowing what they are meant to do. Look at the changes to our game since Aloisi was sacked.

JVS also gets the players playing for him. The players have come back from behind to win against Newcastle and Sydney FC and draw away at Adelaide, when a win was snatched from them in injury time.

JVS is also prepared to make big decisions on players, like he did with Colosimo. Just look what happened when Aloisi reversed direction and played Colosimo every game.

Looks like JVS has now made a decision on Mifsud.

Agree

[Ando]

Would JA have started with three at the back against Syd? No.

The cult of JvS grows.

[NewConvert]

NewConvert - do you agree that they will already have ideas about the coaching team?

 

I think that MCFC will have an idea on how much to spend on the coaching and support team and they will have a clear idea as to what qualifications and experience each one of those persons will have to work for MHT. For some of those positions they will definitely go local (eg physio) and will rely on the local managers to find the right people if we don't have them already. For the youth team they will have a good look at our current coaches and make a decision whether to keep them and send them to Manchester for further training or bring someone from Manchester. I feel that they may already have enough coaches in Manchester to bring them over here if need be but I think longer term they will like to develop assistants locally because it is expensive to bring people here. For the senior coaching position JVS will be on the short list as well as some other European coaches that are coaching youth teams or second division teams.

Bringing coaches from Europe will make those coaches more creative because they will need to work with lesser quality or more raw players given the cap and salary constraints. They will really need to strive to bring out the best out of Hoffman for example whereas in unconstrained leagues he would have been replaced. I would not be surprised if they already had a short list of four potential coaches for next season.

[n i k o]

Would JA have started with three at the back against Syd? No.

The cult of JvS grows.

JA would have had 5 defenders on 2 forwards cause he would be shitting himself at the thought of losing...but would have lost anyway.

[ThePolo]

I always wonder what aloisi would be thinking, would he be happy,jealous, annoyed, disgruntled? Does he wish the players could pull something out for him.

 

But JVS what a man

[Alexxandro]

Let's not forget how poorly Heart finished the second season under JVS. That's when the not winning outside of Victoria thing began... 

[wombegongal]

Let's not forget how poorly Heart finished the second season under JVS. That's when the not winning outside of Victoria thing began... 

 

Just remember the team he had at his disposal too. Full of guns......

[Alexxandro]

 

Let's not forget how poorly Heart finished the second season under JVS. That's when the not winning outside of Victoria thing began... 

 

Just remember the team he had at his disposal too. Full of guns......

 

Maybe but it's easy to blame players. I just think it's a bit early to be considering him for next year. With the salary cap the coach is one of the positions where City can really put some serious coin into getting the best couch in the a-league. All this talk of how we are going to find loopholes in the cap but that's not necessary if City buy the right coach if you ask me. 

[NewConvert]

 

 

Let's not forget how poorly Heart finished the second season under JVS. That's when the not winning outside of Victoria thing began... 

 

Just remember the team he had at his disposal too. Full of guns......

 

Maybe but it's easy to blame players. I just think it's a bit early to be considering him for next year. With the salary cap the coach is one of the positions where City can really put some serious coin into getting the best couch in the a-league. All this talk of how we are going to find loopholes in the cap but that's not necessary if City buy the right coach if you ask me. 

 

 

The problem here is defining "the best couch". Having salary and player cap constraints can mean that some well performing overseas coaches will not perform as well because they can't just release a player or just acquire another one. Here they have to be patient and develop raw talent or cajole the best out of the players they have. Hence the youth coach needs to be very good so that the senior coach can get decent enough players the following season. Bringing in a well crdentialled coach from overseas does not mean that they will be able to thrive under the A-League constraints. I think that JVS is performing better this season than in the first season, the challenge is perhaps greater but he seems better prepared - maybe that short stint at Chivas did him a world of good.