Embee Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, jeffplz said: You continue to mention your ignore list as if it has any weight or threat in any way Before long he'll only be able to read his and his multi's posts Edited June 8, 2017 by Embee 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n i k o Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 I don't think he's ignored me yet. I must be a quality poster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 3 hours ago, jw1739 said: That's very harsh indeed. Maybe there wasn't a lot said about what the club was doing, but Sue Crow has been heading up the community side of things since February 2010. Exactly. They did plenty, but I couldn't be stuffed arguing myself. For instance One thing they used to give back to the football community was "coach the coach", who else gave community coaches access to the thoughts and approaches of a professional coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrillhouse Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Shahanga said: who else gave community coaches access to the thoughts and approaches of a professional coach? sorry couldn't help myself 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahanga Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 6 hours ago, Thrillhouse said: sorry couldn't help myself Yeah well for all the criticism of our former man JVS, it's worth remembering his team came up against other professional coaches every week. Even a poor A League coach knows a lot more than 99% of punters. Heart realised this and were helping spread the knowledge. Pity City stopped it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted June 10, 2017 Report Share Posted June 10, 2017 I've been to CFA lots of times fwiw. It's overrated af. Just a big tin shed really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityHeart Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 So CFG have just sold Mooy for more than the total value/investment/purchase of the Melbourne Heart club. Just puts into perspective how minor (in the grand scheme of things) the investment here is - but positions them front and square for the best talent in the region. It will only take that 'one' kid to return them on their investment in spades. How good is it gonna be watching Aaron in the PL for Huddersfield! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) Further down the pecking order we go..... Quote Man City owners agree deal to become joint owners of newly-promoted La Liga club Girona James Ducker 28 JUNE 2017 • 5:46PM Manchester City’s billionaire owners are close to adding La Liga outfit Girona to their expanding stable of clubs. The City Football Group (CFG) have agreed a deal that will see them become joint owners of the Catalan club alongside Media Base, the agency owned by City manager Pep Guardiola’s brother, Pere. The process is expected to be formally completed within the next fortnight and will give CFG and Media Base a near 50 per cent share each in the club. The remaining small stake is held by Girona supporters. CFG have had strong ties with Girona for several years now. Girona will become the sixth club in the CFG stable after Manchester City, Major League Soccer franchise New York City FC, Australian A-League side Melbourne City FC, Japan’s Yokohama F. Marinos and Club Atletico Torque in Uruguay. City’s owners are also exploring the possibility of purchasing a club in China and have a close partnership with NAC Breda in Holland. Like Girona, who won promotion to Spain’s top flight last season for the first time in their history, Breda will play in the Eredivisie next term after winning promotion. Both clubs will continue to be used as places where City’s youngsters on the fringes of the first team go to gain experience. Last season, City loaned defenders Pablo Mari, Pablo Maffeo and Angelino to Girona, although Angelino left after a month to join RCD Mallorca on loan. Five City youngsters, Ashley Smith-Brown, Brandon Barker, Manu Garcia,Thomas Agyepong, James Horsfield, spent last season on loan at Breda, who have announced that three more players from the Manchester City, Mari, Paolo Fernandes and Thierry Ambrose, will join them on loan next season. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/06/28/man-city-owners-agree-deal-become-joint-owners-newly-promoted/ But in all seriousness though, with all these teams surely CFG could organise more friendlies. Even a Pre-Season cup with 4-6 teams, it would be the perfect opportunity to shove Sky Blue City Blue™ down everyone's throat. Edited June 28, 2017 by haz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 15 minutes ago, haz said: Further down the pecking order we go..... But in all seriousness though, with all these teams surely CFG could organise more friendlies. Even a Pre-Season cup with 4-6 teams, it would be the perfect opportunity to shove Sky Blue City Blue™ down everyone's throat. I can't wait till a certain few in here discover another litlle nugget within the deal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 58 minutes ago, haz said: Further down the pecking order we go..... But in all seriousness though, with all these teams surely CFG could organise more friendlies. Even a Pre-Season cup with 4-6 teams, it would be the perfect opportunity to shove Sky Blue City Blue™ down everyone's throat. I agree with you in principle, but in practice - at least for Manchester City - they can't afford to do anything less than accept the highest-paying friendly invitations that they receive. Top PL clubs can be offered several million to make a single appearance in pre-season. Play four or five friendlies at that rate and that's a whole new player you can afford. That's why I suspect CFG friendlies will be few and far between. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Dylan said: I can't wait till a certain few in here discover another litlle nugget within the deal And lets not mention what colours they wear. (Will continue to wear😆😆😆) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 5 hours ago, haz said: Further down the pecking order we go..... But in all seriousness though, with all these teams surely CFG could organise more friendlies. Even a Pre-Season cup with 4-6 teams, it would be the perfect opportunity to shove Sky Blue City Blue™ down everyone's throat. If we do go down the pecking order it's because we are the only one playing in a salary-capped league, meaning we're the only club that cannot receive decent loan players except with marquee status. The benefits we can obtain from being a part of CFG are therefore severely restricted. FFA just cannot deliver on anything...but that's another story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, jw1739 said: If we do go down the pecking order it's because we are the only one playing in a salary-capped league, meaning we're the only club that cannot receive decent loan players except with marquee status. The benefits we can obtain from being a part of CFG are therefore severely restricted. FFA just cannot deliver on anything...but that's another story. MLS is salary capped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jw1739 said: If we do go down the pecking order it's because we are the only one playing in a salary-capped league, meaning we're the only club that cannot receive decent loan players except with marquee status. The benefits we can obtain from being a part of CFG are therefore severely restricted. FFA just cannot deliver on anything...but that's another story. I think that's pretty accurate. Possibly at takeover we were veiwed by CFG as a place where youth talent could develop playing weekly against seasoned men. But since then the FFA has restricted that. As a result meaning player movement will be predominantly 1 way. If and thats a big If that happens then quality young Australians will come to us develop then possibly move to a Girona B team or a that dutch B team then if good enough break into the seniors. End result is a defined pathway developing Australian talent into Europe. Where it leaves us I'm not sure. Edited June 29, 2017 by Jovan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 14 minutes ago, bt50 said: MLS is salary capped. My bad. I guess that pushes NYC down the list too. MLS does have three designated players however, making it a bit easier for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFG_82 Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 As long as City becomes the biggest Club in Australia and has some success in Asia. I couldn't care less where the Club sits on the pecking order . At the moment the Club is CFG number 1 club in the AFC. I'd be concerned if CFG started having majority shares in other AFC Clubs though. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 19 minutes ago, DFG_82 said: As long as City becomes the biggest Club in Australia and has some success in Asia. I couldn't care less where the Club sits on the pecking order . At the moment the Club is CFG number 1 club in the AFC. I'd be concerned if CFG started having majority shares in other AFC Clubs though. Im not sure it matters personally, if i can dive into the business side of things i would be thinking that running all off shoots of CFG at a break even if not a tiny profit would be the goal as long as players grow and develop like Mooy that they can sign on a free transfer and then onsell from there to try and get around the 'financial fair play' rules they have in place for the Premier league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXCiTyZeNXx Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Has the salary cap been increased? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 I couldnt care less where we are in the pecking order as long as they keep paying the bills......and build us a stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartOfCity Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 20 minutes ago, Dylan said: I couldnt care less where we are in the pecking order as long as they keep paying the bills......and build us a stadium Ha ha ha love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFG_82 Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Is it possible CFG could buy exclusive rights to play at Aami and basically kick Victory out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, DFG_82 said: Is it possible CFG could buy exclusive rights to play at Aami and basically kick Victory out. And the Storm Rebels and Monster trucks. No. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFG_82 Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Just now, Jovan said: And the Storm Rebels and Monster trucks. No. I know they lease it too I just meant in Terms of Football teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 31 minutes ago, DFG_82 said: Is it possible CFG could buy exclusive rights to play at Aami and basically kick Victory out. "Every man has his price", so, in theory CFG could offer so much that the Trust could not refuse. But in practice the answer has to be "no", because it would be much cheaper for CFG to build its own boutique stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva10 Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, bt50 said: MLS is salary capped. Yes it is. However each team can spend around 3.5m dollars. There is also GAM (general allocation money). TAM (targeted allocation money). These can be used to buy down contracts to get players under the cap. They also have 3 dp's (marquee players) for each team and 9 visa slots. So you can see it is a very different salary capped league. When you think that Tosin Adarabioyo (City EDS player) apparently is getting £40,000 per week (over £2m), then you realise how small the A League Cap is. Edited June 29, 2017 by silva10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 I was thinking about this at lunch.... In regards to football club takeovers. Would you as a supporter care if the team you supported (say a 4th div club) was taken over by a global company, aka CFG, RedBull, Chinese etc. They change the colours and the name but you're are guaranteed some form of success and promotions. For example RB Leipzig are now in Champions League and they took over a semi pro club. Of course it would be more of a question for European clubs due to the shit show the FFA is in at the moment with only 10 teams in HAL and no link to lower divs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jw1739 Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, haz said: I was thinking about this at lunch.... In regards to football club takeovers. Would you as a supporter care if the team you supported (say a 4th div club) was taken over by a global company, aka CFG, RedBull, Chinese etc. They change the colours and the name but you're are guaranteed some form of success and promotions. For example RB Leipzig are now in Champions League and they took over a semi pro club. Of course it would be more of a question for European clubs due to the shit show the FFA is in at the moment with only 10 teams in HAL and no link to lower divs. Yes, I would - and do - care about it. It's a matter of what the club actually means to you. Is that attachment you feel to the club something that can be bought and sold along with the club itself? Is it still your local club once it's owned by someone in Qatar, the UAE, the USA, or wherever else? Does sentiment matter any more, or is money the only fuel that we care about? Is Paris Saint Germain a Parisian football club, or just another branch of Petrodollars FC? Indeed, is Melbourne City the same old club as Melbourne Heart, or just another branch of Emirates FC? I'd say, based on our experiences with Heart, that it does matter to quite a number of people. Edited August 4, 2017 by jw1739 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imtellingyou Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Happier days to come after CFG exit. CFG.care about Man City. A bit about NYC cause of market size. They openly stated how much and what is the policy regarding us. They got us for peanuts. If something like Mooy happens that's a plus for them. For their operating level, there is no money in Au soccer. ACL, apparently not interested into initial investment to get there. Borrom line , we won't be able to match locally owned large clubs. I will keep renewing my membership. Hoping and awaiting glorious moments. I do care. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffplz Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) >borrom line I think this is my wog dad posting on the forums, each post confirms my suspicions even more Edited August 5, 2017 by jeffplz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 31 minutes ago, jeffplz said: >borrom line I think this is my wog dad posting on the forums, each post confirms my suspicions even more This was my assumption a while back. If he adds "fucken" at the end of each sentence then it could be your old man fucken! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Further down the pecking order we go.... Quote Manchester City’s parent company agrees deal for major stake in Girona • Catalan side promoted to La Liga set to be added to CFG’s global portfolio • City may need to sell Mangala and Bony before making more signings Jamie Jackson Manchester City’s parent company, the City Football Group, is set to make Gironathe sixth side of its growing portfolio, with a deal all but sealed for the purchase of a major stake in the Spanish club. The proposed terms are understood to give CFG a near-50% share along with Media Base, the agency owned by Pere Guardiola, the brother of Pep, the City manager. The remainder will continue to be owned by a Girona fans association. The club were promoted to La Liga for the first time this summer and started their season with a 2-2 home draw against Atlético Madrid. City already have close links with the Catalan team, having loaned them five players this summer – Pablo Maffeo, Aleix García, Douglas Luiz, Marlos Moreno and Larry Kayode. The acquisition of Girona, who beat City 1-0 a friendly in Catalonia on Tuesday of last week, would be the latest move in CFG’s strategy of global expansion. Since Sheikh Mansour bought City in September 2008 his Abu Dhabi-based CFG has acquired the start-up MLS franchise New York City FC, the Australian A-League side Melbourne City FC, Japan’s Yokohama F. Marinos and Club Atlético Torque in Uruguay. City are also two years into a five-year agreement with NAC Breda that also involves their players being loaned to the Dutch club. CFG is also considering buying a team in China. Two years ago a $400m (£256m) investment from the Chinese consortium CMC, which bought 13% and that valued CFG then at $3bn, was announced. Speaking in December 2015 Mubarak said: “Football is the most loved, played and watched sport in the world and in China, the exponential growth pathway for the game is both unique and hugely exciting. We have therefore worked hard to find the right partners and to create the right deal structure to leverage the incredible potential that exists in China, both for CFG and for football at large.” https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/aug/23/manchester-city-buy-girona-spanish-club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 On 05/08/2017 at 1:18 PM, Imtellingyou said: Happier days to come after CFG exit. CFG.care about Man City. A bit about NYC cause of market size. They openly stated how much and what is the policy regarding us. They got us for peanuts. If something like Mooy happens that's a plus for them. For their operating level, there is no money in Au soccer. ACL, apparently not interested into initial investment to get there. Borrom line , we won't be able to match locally owned large clubs. I will keep renewing my membership. Hoping and awaiting glorious moments. I do care. stay woke 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belaguttman Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 6 hours ago, haz said: Further down the pecking order we go.... Our ambition is to make the top 6. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bt50 Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 34 minutes ago, belaguttman said: Our ambition is to make the top 6. Pls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovan Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 In all seriousness this is a big positive for us. It gives our talented players a more realistic pathway to Europe. Any player good enough has a real crack of moving to the La liga. Obviously with the FFA restrictions all player movement in the short term will be one way and Manchester was always going to be beyond nearly all but a mid to low La Liga team is actually more probable. So I'm all for CFG moving in this direction. Hopefully in the not to distant future the clubs within CFG umbrella can combine in a unique tournament and maximize the marketing potential of having 6 clubs in some pretty decent leagues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13 Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 It is a minority stake though.. Local consortium together with a supporters trust hold the majority of the shares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Most accounts seem to regard this as a mixture of supporting Girona to allow them to stay up in La Liga (bear in mind that Guardiola may be a Barca legend but he is still ultimately a Catalan and Girona is now Catalonia's #3 team) and providing a stable place for Manchester City's youngsters to go out on loan and play against teams that, regrettably, Melbourne City don't play against. I'm not sure to what extent this is actually going to affect Melbourne City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 35 minutes ago, Falastur said: Most accounts seem to regard this as a mixture of supporting Girona to allow them to stay up in La Liga (bear in mind that Guardiola may be a Barca legend but he is still ultimately a Catalan and Girona is now Catalonia's #3 team) and providing a stable place for Manchester City's youngsters to go out on loan and play against teams that, regrettably, Melbourne City don't play against. I'm not sure to what extent this is actually going to affect Melbourne City. Still waiting on the CFG Pre-Season Cup, with everything sky blue! Played every two years with the location changing, Manchester, Australia, New York etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, haz said: Still waiting on the CFG Pre-Season Cup, with everything sky blue! Played every two years with the location changing, Manchester, Australia, New York etc. As mentioned before, while I'd love to see it happen, the sheer amount of money that top teams receive from invites to play friendlies mean that Manchester City simply can't afford to take part in one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haz Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 40 minutes ago, Falastur said: As mentioned before, while I'd love to see it happen, the sheer amount of money that top teams receive from invites to play friendlies mean that Manchester City simply can't afford to take part in one. #Believe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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